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Fun Money for the devs Lets Give back!: G2 camera/720p 30fps

lol worth a try lol i really want the camcorder to be better.

... what? We already have 720p at 30 fps...
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ibemad1 said:
... what? We already have 720p at 30 fps...
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yeah what he said... root that *****, rom that ****, and 720p it up.

jeallen0 said:
yeah what he said... root that *****, rom that ****, and 720p it up.
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No, still wrong. You've got 720p30 on stock.
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ibemad1 said:
No, still wrong. You've got 720p30 on stock.
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I never said it wasn't present, I was merely suggesting that rooting the g2 is most deff the way to go. Please read more carefully next time.
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LOLLLLLL!!!!

jeallen0 said:
I never said it wasn't present, I was merely suggesting that rooting the g2 is most deff the way to go. Please read more carefully next time.
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This thread is specifically about 720p30, not roms or rooting. You specified in your above post "root that *****, rom that 720p it up" which is implying that the only way to get 720p was to root and install a custom rom. Regardless of what you meant, that's what came across.
Please... write more carefully in the future?
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Yeah recording a video at 720p is already there but it's not at a steady 30fps as advertised - the only phone I've seen that can record 720p at a constant 30fps is the iPhone 4 (picture/video quality is superb).
Try recording a 720p video at night and tell me how it looks - yeah it looks real bad and choppy.

omg some of the things i read in here is just ridiculous...
the G2 comes with 720p regardless of root or not, but if you ever done a little bit of recoding in low lights you will see it is not 30 FPS it is more like 10fps

G1_enthusiast said:
omg some of the things i read in here is just ridiculous...
the G2 comes with 720p regardless of root or not, but if you ever done a little bit of recoding in low lights you will see it is not 30 FPS it is more like 10fps
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/facepalm
It's called shutter speed. If the phone didn't slow down the shutter speed, you wouldn't be able to see anything.
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ibemad1 said:
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It's called shutter speed. If the phone didn't slow down the shutter speed, you wouldn't be able to see anything.
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thansk for reminding me, hmm time to do some experiment

Yea the camcorder looks like ****..My blackberry 8900 would record better videos. I wish the cam would record sweet with no lag. Only thing that sucks on the G2..So can anyone get this to someone who would actually be able to improve it??

Um shutter speed? Not correct
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Um shutter speed? Not correct
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Would you care to tell me what is correct?
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Shutter speed..... in video...? Seriously are you kidding? Do you have any idea what a shutter is or how it works?

Has anyone noticed an improvement in video recording frame rate and stability while overclocked?
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FinalJenemba said:
Shutter speed..... in video...? Seriously are you kidding? Do you have any idea what a shutter is or how it works?
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I know there's no shutter speed in video. I just can't remember the proper term for it in video...
Anyway, here's what a shutter is: its kinda like a really fast gate inside of still cameras that opens and closes very fast to control the amount of light that actually makes it to the image sensor (or film.) Faster shutter speed = less light and less blur possible, while slower shutter speed = more light but more blur is possible. So yes, I do know what a shutter is.
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ibemad1 said:
I know there's no shutter speed in video. I just can't remember the proper term for it in video...
Anyway, here's what a shutter is: its kinda like a really fast gate inside of still cameras that opens and closes very fast to control the amount of light that actually makes it to the image sensor (or film.) Faster shutter speed = less light and less blur possible, while slower shutter speed = more light but more blur is possible. So yes, I do know what a shutter is.
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the F stop right?

ibemad1 said:
I know there's no shutter speed in video. I just can't remember the proper term for it in video...
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Your cmos sensor can only take in as much light as is allowed by the timing of the frame rate and integration time per sample.
There would be only two reasons that I can think of for why the video frame rate drop in low light. 1st would be it is going to a longer integration time to allow the cmos to gather more light per sample. Or 2nd is that the camera software is applying an artificial and likely CPU intensive technique similar to the pseudo color night vision modes on older camcorders where it tries to enhance the picture and estimate the details it is missing.

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Your cmos sensor can only take in as much light as is allowed by the timing of the frame rate and integration time per sample.
There would be only two reasons that I can think of for why the video frame rate drop in low light. 1st would be it is going to a longer integration time to allow the cmos to gather more light per sample. Or 2nd is that the camera software is applying an artificial and likely CPU intensive technique similar to the pseudo color night vision modes on older camcorders where it tries to enhance the picture and estimate the details it is missing.
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I'd vote for the first one, as there's no noticible increse in CPU usage as the light level drops.
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how to lock the framerate at 30 in dark situations when shooting video

Topic says it all, when shooting video in dark situations framerate drops to 10 - 12 -17 so it's frustrating! Since the specification of the video says that the variable frame rate if there is a chance to somehow locked at 30fps!
Great magicians of hacking help please!!!

Nope, wait for a update from HTC and hope for the best... (for now anyway)

Even if we set Exposure to -2 and ISO to 800 we can't achive 30 fps, so, if we lock frame rate to 30, in low light, it is possible that the video is to dark for us to do anything with it.
IMHO DHD have a poor camera sensor for low light.

mdalacu said:
Even if we set Exposure to -2 and ISO to 800 we can't achive 30 fps, so, if we lock frame rate to 30, in low light, it is possible that the video is to dark for us to do anything with it.
IMHO DHD have a poor camera sensor for low light.
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Yes or not enough processing power to handle the low light data in real time, or enough power but the processor is busy getting US stocks data for people who never trade in US stocks and running Facebook for people who dont have a facebook account and.....(long list of featutes that burn my cpu and battery but never use or want)
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Yes or not enough processing power to handle the low light data in real time, or enough power but the processor is busy getting US stocks data for people who never trade in US stocks and running Facebook for people who dont have a facebook account and.....(long list of featutes that burn my cpu and battery but never use or want)
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Haha, love the sarcasm
You do know you can remove all the crap you don't want like Stocks etc? One of the many joys of rooting your phone

I really wish there was a way to get the camera to shoot 30 fps in low light too
I really dont care how much noise will be introduced. 30 fps is most important. Is this even possible for a developer here to work on since this is HTC's own app and i think HTC dont release their source?

Have you tried shooting with flashlight on? Or setting the white balance manually, I'm sure I read somewhere that helps, turning off automatic white balance removes the annoying changes in brightness and helps improve framers alongside setting exposure to manual.
Be nice if it just shot un 30fps all the time like iPhone, I'm sure it will be sorted.
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gamesmachine said:
Have you tried shooting with flashlight on? Or setting the white balance manually, I'm sure I read somewhere that helps, turning off automatic white balance removes the annoying changes in brightness and helps improve framers alongside setting exposure to manual.
Be nice if it just shot un 30fps all the time like iPhone, I'm sure it will be sorted.
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I have a gut feeling it wont be sorted. Take a look at the old Desire. It's camcorder is still shooting at 22 fps in optimal light! Probably less than 10 in low light. HTC just doesnt seem to care

SupremeBeaver said:
I have a gut feeling it wont be sorted. Take a look at the old Desire. It's camcorder is still shooting at 22 fps in optimal light! Probably less than 10 in low light. HTC just doesnt seem to care
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Do you own a Desire(old one)?From what you say I guess you don't.With the Desire,if you set the ISO to 800 you can record anything between 25 and 30 fps,even in low light.It introduces some more noise,but not that much more that what the iPhone does in low light.Dunno why the DHD doesn't change much with the iso...

So, is there a way to record at 30fps at night?I searched all over the forum and didn't find a way.(besides reducing the exposure which makes videos very dark)
I noticed a thing that when I focus the objects aren't so shadowy because of low fps but only just for a moment like half of second and then it returnes to the normal 10-15 fps.

sergiu_07_07 said:
So, is there a way to record at 30fps at night?I searched all over the forum and didn't find a way.(besides reducing the exposure which makes videos very dark)
I noticed a thing that when I focus the objects aren't so shadowy because of low fps but only just for a moment like half of second and then it returnes to the normal 10-15 fps.
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Nah dude there probably is no way. It's the hardware here that's the problem here.

The problem is that the sensors in your camera need a certain minimum amount of time to get the picture to look correct.
I could tell you how to get it locked at 30, but then you would hate me because your video would turn out extremely blurry, and to that extent, so dark that you might as well have just recorded a black sheet of paper.
(This would of course come with rooting your phone, which I wouldn't think is a problem)
The thing is, its been coded into your device to reduce the frame-rate, so that you at least get a scene in a video at a bad frame rate, instead of black in a video with good frame rate

Yeah, but as I said before, there is a thing that when I focus the video there is a small interval of time(about 1/2 sec) when the frames seem to be normal(25-30).I don't know if this happens only on my device but before the gingerbread update I didn't notice this.You could try it or I can even send you a recording.And why does the camera sensor state that it can record @60 fps in light and 30 fps in dark?(according to this thread p=13510330)
I don't know very much about its camera and I don't say that I am right about this, but I want to improve the recording as much as possible.Even my friends MOTO Defy is better in low light.
Also will a custom rom improve the performance of recording?
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sergiu_07_07 said:
Yeah, but as I said before, there is a thing that when I focus the video there is a small interval of time(about 1/2 sec) when the frames seem to be normal(25-30).I don't know if this happens only on my device but before the gingerbread update I didn't notice this.You could try it or I can even send you a recording.And why does the camera sensor state that it can record @60 fps in light and 30 fps in dark?(according to this thread p=13510330)
I don't know very much about its camera and I don't say that I am right about this, but I want to improve the recording as much as possible.Even my friends MOTO Defy is better in low light.
Also will a custom rom improve the performance of recording?
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Custom roms dont improve the low light recording unfortunately.

sergiu_07_07 said:
Yeah, but as I said before, there is a thing that when I focus the video there is a small interval of time(about 1/2 sec) when the frames seem to be normal(25-30).I don't know if this happens only on my device but before the gingerbread update I didn't notice this.You could try it or I can even send you a recording.And why does the camera sensor state that it can record @60 fps in light and 30 fps in dark?(according to this thread p=13510330)
I don't know very much about its camera and I don't say that I am right about this, but I want to improve the recording as much as possible.Even my friends MOTO Defy is better in low light.
Also will a custom rom improve the performance of recording?
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I don't think any sensor manufacturer can specify framerate in "dark" because how do you define "dark"? What your eyes percieve as "dark" is more like "pitch black" for a camera sensor. Especially a small crappy one that sits behind a small crappy lens. Remember that to have 30 fps, you should be able to "gather" enough light to make a properly exposed image for a 1/30 of a second. Take your point-and-shoot camera, or even a DSLR, set it to manual mode, set the ISO to 800, set the shutter speed to 1/30, set the aperture to f/8 for a 28mm equvalent focal length (if you are using DSLR, for a point-and-shoot with a smaller than DX sensor, you have to dial it even higher) and see what picture you can get with those settings. This is how much light hits the sensor for 1/30 of a second. This is how your videos will look like.
EDIT: You should not compare video recording framerate on phones that record in different resolution. DEFY can record up to 640x480 (if I'm not mistaken) which is 1/3 of the frame recorded with the DHD (1280x720). With a good recording algorithm this means three times more light per pixel (if the sensor is the same).

Laggy viewfinder in darkness

I love almost everything about this phone, but I knew it couldn't be perfect.
When it's even somewhat dark, I noticed that the viewfinder lags like crazy, to the point where you're not even sure what shot you're going to get. I have the AT&T version. Can anyone confirm this behavior on the International or Verizon versions?
With a Snapdragon 800, there's really no excuse for this. I'm sure a software update could resolve it, but it's currently my ONLY beef with the phone.

You are high....I say that with love and affection
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You are high....I say that with love and affection
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Really? So I'm the only one this happens to? You don't notice a low frame rate in the viewfinder in darkness?
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yeah, when you're in camera mode in the dark, it's a very low framerate. most phones have this issue because it's switching to a high ISO or even night mode to allow more light into the lens, which in turns makes a low FPS screen

jayochs said:
yeah, when you're in camera mode in the dark, it's a very low framerate. most phones have this issue because it's switching to a high ISO or even night mode to allow more light into the lens, which in turns makes a low FPS screen
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Okay, thanks. I tested my GS4 and it wasn't nearly as bad, so I thought it might be a flaw.
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could be the ois.
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Laggy viewfinder here as well, not as laggy on my Lumia 925. Not a big deal though.
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Wow, I've bought the G2 last Sunday and the camera is really extremely laggy in low light!
I mean, the viewfinder works at ~5 fps! Also, the pictures become extremely smudgy, like everything is made of wax.
My Samsung Galaxy S 1 (one, yes the first SGS, GT-I9000) does not do that!
I'm so disapointed because this phone has everything I want from a phone and I was expecting so much more from the camera...
Now I see that the original post was made on September 14. It's October 23 and still no update from LG whatsoever.
I have 15 days to return the phone, maybe that's what I will do.

Bigger question is how do the pics themselves come out?

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Bigger question is how do the pics themselves come out?
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Really blury/smudgy, like everything is made of wax.

This has been my biggest gripe with this phone,unsure if it'll ever be fixed but i hope so. Traded in my note 3 because of the size and that's the one and only thing i dislike about the g2, but its a big concern =\. Concert and bar outing later, all smudged

I agree with this....don't try to take pictures in a dark area...no point it'll come out BAD smudgy and awful. I hope they fix this.

Noticed this problem over the weekend at a nightclub. Granted it is pretty dark in there, but I'd expect to at least be able to focus an image from 5 feet away but nope, pics came out very blurred and the viewfinder was useless. I hope there's a fix soon.

[Q] Video Camera Focusing

has anyone been able to find a video camera app that solves the slow stock video camera focusing? on my g2, it takes up to 8 sec for the camera in 1080p 60fps mode to focus. and you have to have the phone be still for the camera to register it's time to focus. if there's any movement and the video is currently blurry, it will stay blurry til the phone has been perfectly still for some seconds. it's very annoying. this was not the case on my gs4 or my lumia 920. both of those would focus regardless if the phone was moving or not.

yeah the video camera is pretty damn awful on this phone. hoping a dev makes a mod that can lock focus like the gs4 does.
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Both photo camera and video camera are pretty bad. Pictures don't look nearly as bad though. Videos are just terrible. I'm hoping what the guy above me said.

Just tap where you want to focus. It tracks whatever object you tap.
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The only time where I say slow focusing is under low light conditions. Besides that, I just tap where I want to focus and it locks on pretty quick.

Why do I remember a manual focus option on this phone?
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Why do I remember a manual focus option on this phone?
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because it's there for pics not videos.
also, the framer ate drops even below 30fps when in lower light. I don't mean darkness, i mean room lighting. it's pathetic.
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Mine doest do more than 1-3 max to focus in 1080p 60fps...its the F320S k version.

Well, I bought this phone to be a decent pocket cam as well and bought into the 1080p 60fps hype. Disappointed that it is awful for indoor recording at a gym and even in good lighting shows blurriness. Wasn't the 60fps a big selling point for their camera? I'm hoping it's a software or kernel issue but at the moment, LG has gotten me twice with their specs marketing.

@mediumraresteak
Not trying to be flippant here, but are you aware of many other smartphones that can do what you were expecting this one to?
Just thinking that perhaps the combination of fast moving objects and relatively low light without being able to manually compensate is just unrealistic for most smartphones. I've never been much of a sports photographer so if others could help us out that would be great.

Higher the frame rate the greater need for available light this holds true for shutter speed as well. It's just physics at work. Even a high speed film camera needs more light to properly expose at high frame rates or shutter. You can compensate with higher iso but only to a point plus the grainier it will be. Remember light is your friend.
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xyltha said:
@mediumraresteak
Not trying to be flippant here, but are you aware of many other smartphones that can do what you were expecting this one to?
Just thinking that perhaps the combination of fast moving objects and relatively low light without being able to manually compensate is just unrealistic for most smartphones. I've never been much of a sports photographer so if others could help us out that would be great.
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Yes I can think of a phone. Nokia lumia 1020 or 920 or 925. I have a 1020. Have tested these both side by side and the 1020 in low light video recording doesn't blur half as bad as my g2. That doesn't mean I don't like my g2, it just means the camera for video recording didn't live up to my expectations. For pictures it's nice. In 30 fps mode there is a tap to focus after you start the recording. But in 60 fps mode there is only auto focus and it pretty slow. Why they would not give the best quality mode no focus other than its slow auto focus makes no sense.
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[Q] How to reduce camera blur? Best shooting mode?

I recently saw an ad on TV for the camera and it says you can take pictures of fast moving objects and have no blur. Every picture I take with a moving object comes back with a blur. Any ideas? What's the best shooting mode? I took the attached photo with sports mode and didn't change any of the settings.

Try sports mode, if that ain't helping, take the ISO off of auto, mess around with it, helped a lot for me.
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I'm wondering as well. Sport mode still doesn't capture even slow moving objects
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Nothing I've found will stop that. Different camera apps will at least blur instead of ghosting.

Try super camera. Lower the exposure time to- 12. Will improve blur but lower love light performance
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These are pics with my kids jumping around and going crazy.
First one is exposure at +12
Second is exposure at default
3rd us at- 12.
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brianfields33 said:
I recently saw an ad on TV for the camera and it says you can take pictures of fast moving objects and have no blur. Every picture I take with a moving object comes back with a blur. Any ideas? What's the best shooting mode? I took the attached photo with sports mode and didn't change any of the settings.
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Sports mode or setting ISO1600 are your only real options.
Taking a sharp, indoor picture with anything shy of a dedicated (and expensive) camera is a pipe dream.
For reference, I have a Sony NEX-6 and 50mm f/1.8 lens. This combo goes for around $1000. I can shoot ISO6400 and f/1.8. Indoors, that will usually do the trick, but it isn't guaranteed.
I also have a Sony RX100 (best point and shoot you can by). Again, even at ISO6400 and the largest aperture possible, it's going to be tough to capture fast movement indoors.
The commercials are stupid and misleading. Sorry guys.

I second lattiboy's post.
I own a Nikon D7100, even with a premium lense with F/1.4, indoors you need to raise the ISO to get atleast 1/125 to start freezing motion.
You are expecting the unreal.

Thanks for the replies. I'll try a different app and keep messing around with it. I'm not expecting top notch pics, but if they advertise it they should live up to it.

eitama said:
I second lattiboy's post.
I own a Nikon D7100, even with a premium lense with F/1.4, indoors you need to raise the ISO to get atleast 1/125 to start freezing motion.
You are expecting the unreal.
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...or a Xenon flash...

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...or a Xenon flash...
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A Xenon flash will only light up the foreground. Flash is something that should be used only if you really have to... Or you can put up multiple flashes. Then you mess up the white balance

Perfectly adequate for loads of situations. I'd take broken white balance vs a completely blurred and unusable pic
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