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4G... not really 4G

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Plus the fact it's not even close to my area of living

yeah cell providers called it that cause it sounded good, and for them was technincally the 4th generation of mobile internet - but it is not what 4G officially stands for.... there IS NO real 4g networks anywhere, as the standards are in their infancy.

Old news. ITU said this a while back. It's funny, I talked to Verizon at their Chicago LTE launch event and they laughed and said, it's all marketing anyway, so who cares.
ITU has no teeth, so no one really cares.

WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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xHausx said:
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?

Pretty sure that article is way off. I agree that it's not true 4g, but tmobile's hspa+ doesn't even get close to 12mb. Most of the time it barely reaches 4-5mbs.

yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.

Cal3b said:
yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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You got me laughing with the AT&T still getting 3g to work well lol and there drop calls lol.

I don't know about the rest of you all, but I live in the central valley, CA and 4G is widely available throughout the region. I average from 6-10mbs down when I do a speedtest. But I only enable 4G when I really need it, otherwise my battery dies rather quickly.

drmacinyasha said:
Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
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Technically LTE and 801.16 in their current implications are called Pre-4G, however, the networks are being built as 4G networks. They are just not being utilized as such and the standards for both types of 4G aren't even finalized yet. They are fully packet switched networks with support for IPv6. The only place where the networks fall short is bandwidth, true 4G requires 100MB nominal speeds with at least 1GB peak. That can't happen until the standards are finalized.
T-Mo's HSPA+ is 3.5G and will never be 4G. There was a wired (I think) article just today saying they were thinking about chipping in on WiMAXs spectrum for their next generation network, aka 4G.
Edit: From the article:
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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[Q] 4g less then 3g

Just bought a new Galaxy 4 and i'm only getting 3g in my house. As of yesterday with my 3D HTC, I was still getting 4g.......anyone know the answer to why i'm getting worse signals??

The evo 3D only did the slow old 4G called wimax the new S4 uses LTE a new type of 4G that is 5 to 10 times faster than the old 4G it is slowly rolling out so be patient you can only use the new 4G on the S4.
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nicotheandroidguy said:
The evo 3D only did the slow old 4G called wimax the new S4 uses LTE a new type of 4G that is 5 to 10 times faster than the old 4G it is slowly rolling out so be patient you can only use the new 4G on the S4.
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I knew the guy selling me the phone would lie about the service. He told me regardless of the LTE in Tampa I would still be able to use 4g wimax.

nsssra richard
kinextions said:
I knew the guy selling me the phone would lie about the service. He told me regardless of the LTE in Tampa I would still be able to use 4g wimax.
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Ha.. not the first salesman to lie, probably won't be the last.

I am in Tampa as well and when the phone is in cdma /lte mode, I get the 4g icon quite often. The problem is that date is very slow or non existent while on 4g. So I keep it on cdma only now.
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dbug2008 said:
I am in Tampa as well and when the phone is in cdma /lte mode, I get the 4g icon quite often. The problem is that date is very slow or non existent while on 4g. So I keep it on cdma only now.
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Thanks for the reply from someone in Tampa....do you know when we are getting full LTE coverage? the salesman told me I could at least still get the 4g winmax coverage. Also, I head the phone doesn't have the icon for LTE so there is not way of knowing if we are in LTE....is that correct?

I have the galaxy s4, so I do not connect to the old wimax 4g. When my phone is showing a 4g connection, its LTE. However, Like i said, it's not fully implemented, at least that is my guess. Because date speeds are VERY slow or nonexistent even when show full bars with a 4g icon. I have seen the 4g icon in many places around tampa, but, 3g is faster so I leave the LTE mode off. As for when LTE is scheduled to be fully on, I don't know. I've been getting the same answer for a long time. "by the end of the year", is what they told me most of last year.

The GS4 does not have a wimax radio, so you can not pick up a wimax signal, only LTE. If it displays 4g, then you are getting an LTE signal.
You can use sensorly app on your phone to get a map of LTE in your area thats done by users.
Here is information regarding Tampa LTE:
Tampa
Status: Full Builds Under Way
NV Sites Accepted = 45%
LTE Sites Accepted = 34%
Anticipated LTE Launch = Summer 2013
Original Scheduled Completion = March 2013
Current Production Rate Completion = February 2014
Source: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/page-3#entry145604

4G/LTE

Just got my phone in US....Was able to get Saturday Delivery. Anyways, the phone is awesome! My phone shows a 4G icon is that the same as LTE? I know in the Xperia ZL there was an LTE icon. Thanks.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=4G+vs+LTE
You're welcome

macklobell said:
Just got my phone in US....Was able to get Saturday Delivery. Anyways, the phone is awesome! My phone shows a 4G icon is that the same as LTE? I know in the Xperia ZL there was an LTE icon. Thanks.
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What carrier are you on?

lolstebbo said:
What carrier are you on?
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Att in us. not getting lte.

macklobell said:
Att in us. not getting lte.
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If you clicked on the linked in the second post you would have known enough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/questions-belong-t2868300

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Att in us. not getting lte.
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Do a speed test, someone on Android Central forums shows 4G on At&t and is getting 23+ down so it's LTE
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4G is the same as LTE. It's just how this phone decides to display it
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I live in Europe, phone shows LTE when I'm using it. It's also my first LTE phone so I'm blown away atm...

4G is LTE..
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Ive had mine on t-mobile doing speed test and I'm getting 30+ down while getting average 11 mb/s up. The phone shows 4g but that is lte speeds.

This thread is pretty funny
Many have already stated the simple fact that by name '4g and LTE' are interchangeable..
They are of the same radio.
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When I had my Z2 it was running UK firmware, it displayed 4G icon on my phone on AT&T network. When I flashed the phone with Euro Unbranded firmware , LTE icon got displayed.
It just depends on the firmware customization, so either way you are getting LTE speed but the icon displays different depending on the firmware installed

G935FD duos (dual SIM) - no LTE on T-Mobile in the US

My S7 Edge G935FD (dual SIM international version) gets only "4G" on T-Mobile in the San Francisco Bay Area, and never "LTE". Is this a "4G vs. LTE" naming issue, or does it lack the band T-Mobile requires for LTE? It also gets "H+" often, in the same location that my old S5 had full bars LTE.
Speed tests with the SpeedSpot app range from 17Mbps to 33Mbps down, and 3.75 to 7.5Mbps up on "4G", but only 5Mbps down and 1Mbps up in H+ areas.
I bought it from tropical_mobile on eBay.

I think 4g and lte are the same..

kvsandeepreddy said:
I think 4g and lte are the same..
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Just naming issue with international version.

@kvsandeepreddy is right.
LTE means LongTermEvolution which is the so called 4th generation of Mobile Networks. So LTE is 4G
1G = Analog mobile Network, I think
2G = GSM and EDGE
3G = UMTS and HSDPA
4G = LTE

FD version is released for asian countries... back in india we use 4g instead of lte

Poorer connectivity on S7 than S5
kvsandeepreddy said:
FD version is released for asian countries... back in india we use 4g instead of lte
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Well, that means that the S7 dual-SIM gets poorer reception than my old single-SIM S5:
In the same spot in the building (at my work desk), I'd get full LTE bars on the old S5, but only H or H+ at best on the new S7 Edge dual SIM. In practice this means ~6x slower downloads and ~7x slower uploads. Pretty ****ty.

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Well, that means that the S7 dual-SIM gets poorer reception than the old S5:
In the same spot in the building (at my work desk), I'd get full LTE bars on the old S5, but only H or H+ at best on the new S7 Edge dual SIM. In practice this means ~6x slower downloads and ~7x slower uploads. Pretty ****ty.
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Phone being a dual sim doesnt usually affect the sig al strength.. maybe the inbuilt receiver in s7 edge is defective.. heard some other people complaining about the signal strength too

dandv said:
Well, that means that the S7 dual-SIM gets poorer reception than the old S5:
In the same spot in the building (at my work desk), I'd get full LTE bars on the old S5, but only H or H+ at best on the new S7 Edge dual SIM. In practice this means ~6x slower downloads and ~7x slower uploads. Pretty ****ty.
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No that's not what it means. The g935fd version is meant to be able to switch to any international firmware version. There are several different modems for each region. You are going to just have to flash different modems in Odin and see which one works best for your region. This does not trip knox or void warranty as long as you do it right because you are flashing official modems. As I said in the other thread you were in, do your research.

Can someone link me to the best modem to used on the dual sim model in the states?

Which modem did you end up using? I am also wondering which version is best in the US.

ChristopherXDA said:
Which modem did you end up using? I am also wondering which version is best in the US.
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Wondering if you ever solved this issue. I would like to also buy this version and use it on band 12 with TMO.

chatchatchat said:
Wondering if you ever solved this issue. I would like to also buy this version and use it on band 12 with TMO.
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I'm just using the UAE firmware that the duos came with. It's updated with the June security patch. Only issue I've had is slower than normal download and upload speeds on at&t. It's not that big of a deal, just annoying. I think it has more to do with atts provisioning on their network. I'll post a solution if I figure it out, whether it's a different csc, apn settings or some device setting on my account.

4G is called LTE in USA. If you are getting 4G. That means you are getting LTE.
Cheers.
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thunderroid said:
4G is called LTE in USA. If you are getting 4G. That means you are getting LTE.
Cheers.
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Yes, you are correct. However, I should have clarified that my statement is based on connection speed tests not on network symbols in notification bar. My slower speeds are in comparison to other 4g devices being tested in the same location on the same network.

ChristopherXDA said:
Yes, you are correct. However, I should have clarified that my statement is based on connection speed tests not on network symbols in notification bar. My slower speeds are in comparison to other 4g devices being tested in the same location on the same network.
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Yep. I can confirm the same thing. I have 2 s7 edges. One is a DUOS and the other is AT&T branded. Tested both repeatedly and found that the AT&T branded device is getting way faster speeds than the DUOS. In my particular area the AT&T phone was reaching up to 60 Mbps while the DUOS was only hitting 30-40 Mbps. Very curious on how to fix this since this phone has all the necessary bands to support LTE in the states.

midnight101 said:
Yep. I can confirm the same thing. I have 2 s7 edges. One is a DUOS and the other is AT&T branded. Tested both repeatedly and found that the AT&T branded device is getting way faster speeds than the DUOS. In my particular area the AT&T phone was reaching up to 60 Mbps while the DUOS was only hitting 30-40 Mbps. Very curious on how to fix this since this phone has all the necessary bands to support LTE in the states.
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At least you're getting that. My speed tests are consistently in the .72 to 5 Mbps range on the DL and 1-7Mbps on the upload, which is basically about half to a third of what my other AT&T devices are getting in the same location at same time.

ChristopherXDA said:
At least you're getting that. My speed tests are consistently in the .72 to 5 Mbps range on the DL and 1-7Mbps on the upload, which is basically about half to a third of what my other AT&T devices are getting in the same location at same time.
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Wow your right that is abysmal. Have you tried installing LTE Discovery and comparing the two devices? Check to see if they are connecting to the same towers.

midnight101 said:
Yep. I can confirm the same thing. I have 2 s7 edges. One is a DUOS and the other is AT&T branded. Tested both repeatedly and found that the AT&T branded device is getting way faster speeds than the DUOS. In my particular area the AT&T phone was reaching up to 60 Mbps while the DUOS was only hitting 30-40 Mbps. Very curious on how to fix this since this phone has all the necessary bands to support LTE in the states.
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It's not just the bands. AT&T is known for prioritizing their branded phones vs. BYOD phones. It's done by EMEI ... they have a list of all their branded models in a DB and they get priority. TMO doesn't much care. I tested my Duos yesterday and TMO gave me 59.4/12.8 network transfer. It's as good as my 6P. My AT&T sim is in sim1 and is restricted to 2G which is fine since I need calls and texts only from it since it's a work #.
And it does support most of AT&T's bands except band30 which is really new. 4G everywhere else is LTE here as was said in other responses in this thread. It's most likely AT&T deprioritizing the phone as it's a BYOD.
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Wondering if you ever solved this issue. I would like to also buy this version and use it on band 12 with TMO.
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It doesn't have band 12 so I'd save your money. Band 12 is just the deeper penetration 700mhz anyway which around me (SF area) can't be found. My Nexus 6P which has band 12 never connects to anything but band 4 .. ever.

Same crap... If it bothers you flashes the csc

aergern said:
It's not just the bands. AT&T is known for prioritizing their branded phones vs. BYOD phones. It's done by EMEI ... they have a list of all their branded models in a DB and they get priority. TMO doesn't much care. I tested my Duos yesterday and TMO gave me 59.4/12.8 network transfer. It's as good as my 6P. My AT&T sim is in sim1 and is restricted to 2G which is fine since I need calls and texts only from it since it's a work #.
And it does support most of AT&T's bands except band30 which is really new. 4G everywhere else is LTE here as was said in other responses in this thread. It's most likely AT&T deprioritizing the phone as it's a BYOD.
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It doesn't have band 12 so I'd save your money. Band 12 is just the deeper penetration 700mhz anyway which around me (SF area) can't be found. My Nexus 6P which has band 12 never connects to anything but band 4 .. ever.
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I noticed this as well with my 6p. Supposedly band 12 was to save us all but my phone prefers band 4. I only got a glimpse of band 12 the other day then the phone switch switched back to band 4 when I toggled wifi on and off.
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Gettint H+ instead of LTE

Hey guys I have a question, I'm upgrading from a Nexus 6p. On my current provider I have be reviewing LTE on my Nexus I just got my one plus 5 and now I only get h+. Is there some system devices in the devices that allows the Nexus to interpret the h+ as LTE ? Kinda hate seeing the h+ in the corner there.

biglo said:
Hey guys I have a question, I'm upgrading from a Nexus 6p. On my current provider I have be reviewing LTE on my Nexus I just got my one plus 5 and now I only get h+. Is there some system devices in the devices that allows the Nexus to interpret the h+ as LTE ? Kinda hate seeing the h+ in the corner there.
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You're not getting LTE... 4G should be displayed for LTE.

Have you updated to 4.5.5 already? 4.5.4 was a fix for vodafone NL users with this exact problem.
Please share country and provider.

Hey guys sorrry for the late reply. I have the latest version of OOS 4.5.5. current country is Turks and Caicos Islands and provider is Flow.

Do you know what LTE bands your carrier uses?

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You're not getting LTE... 4G should be displayed for LTE.
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Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.

Koodo in Canada also displays 4G+ for LTE. But if on a Telus SIM (same network as Koodo) it shows up as LTE. Speeds are the same. Looks like the OnePlus database for carriers is not really up to date.

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Koodo in Canada also displays 4G+ for LTE. But if on a Telus SIM (same network as Koodo) it shows up as LTE. Speeds are the same. Looks like the OnePlus database for carriers is not really up to date.
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Yeah this is what I'm thinking is going on.

yubimusubi said:
Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
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Sorry, I meant for my country. I live in Oz, here we have 4G.
If LTE/4G was working properly for the OP then either LTE or 4G should be displayed, NOT H+ which is HSDPA (3G) here in Australia.

yubimusubi said:
Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
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Yes I remember I had an HTC One device and when I used it with my carrier I would always get the H+ but when I flashed a rom and selected Tmobile as my carrier the 4G icon showed up for me. I wish I knew where to go to alter these settings to have the H+ show up as LTE or 4G for me like tmobile does or like my Nexus device did. (Even if its fake lol)

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Do you know what LTE bands your carrier uses?
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Ok I had some time to do some research today after work and found out the cold hard truth. My carriers LATE band is 13 which is not supported on this device. FML

biglo said:
Ok I had some time to do some research today after work and found out the cold hard truth. My carriers LATE band is 13 which is not supported on this device. FML
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Yeah, it sucks, that's the main band missing for Verizon as well.

geoff5093 said:
Yeah, it sucks, that's the main band missing for Verizon as well.
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Yeah I just noticed that after all this searching around, WTF kind of dumb move is that to alienate all those version users like that. Smh the reason why I didn't even take the time out to see if my band was included before purchasing was because of the news the released about how much more LATE bands they were including with this model.