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Any one here planning on getting one of the what seems like dozens of Android based tablets that will be coming out later this year?
What about Google TV? Anyone planning on springing for it?
I have already looked into many of the tablets that are available over seas right now.
Some are as low as $100 bucks... got to do more research though.
I've noticed some rumors of really cheap models <$150 (iPed)
But the specs are laughable in some cases even compared to our phones.
I have an iPad and it's pretty nice but it is really lacking in a lot of areas and I can't wait for a Nvidia Tegra 2 Android Tablet to come out so I can sell the iPad and get a real tablet that or one of the windows 7 tablets that are coming out too. I really just want iPad build quality Tegra2 hardware with a 10"+ screen and Android the iPad is really a faster larger iPod touch and iPhone OS has nothing on Android. It would be really nice if the guy who got Android running on the iPhone could port it to the iPad I would be in love because the build quality and the screen of the iPad are top notch pair that without the best mobile OS out and you've got a clear winner!!
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I have an iPad and it's pretty nice but it is really lacking in a lot of areas and I can't wait for a Nvidia Tegra 2 Android Tablet to come out so I can sell the iPad and get a real tablet that or one of the windows 7 tablets that are coming out too. I really just want iPad build quality Tegra2 hardware with a 10"+ screen and Android the iPad is really a faster larger iPod touch and iPhone OS has nothing on Android. It would be really nice if the guy who got Android running on the iPhone could port it to the iPad I would be in love because the build quality and the screen of the iPad are top notch pair that without the best mobile OS out and you've got a clear winner!!
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I agree, There is no official Android Tablet out there, just the bull**** that comes out of China. If you have been current on engadget, you would have seen their china gadget segment where they show all the knock offs that china sells. I really dislike China in that aspect because they do sell knock offs of real gear. A real tablet in my opinion is not some ****ty operating system that runs one program at a time and does'nt use the "Internet" correctly.
In the mind of Steve Jobs, he is a self indulging lunitic who favors a internet world without flash apparently, A operating system without multitasking, A world without people who have more than 1/4 of their brains. Meanwhile a monkey deep inside apple corporation is telling the dev team how to build a phone os by pointing at bananas and various nuts and fruits.
A real tablet pc in my opinion is a Windows 7/Android based operating system with a ATI or Nvidia based chipset that can run Starcraft 2 or Farcry 2 out of the box. We just need to give the Android team time, they are just getting themselves situated in this field and I know we can expect some amazing **** to come in the future.
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A real tablet pc in my opinion is a Windows 7/Android based operating system with a ATI or Nvidia based chipset that can run Starcraft 2 or Farcry 2 out of the box. We just need to give the Android team time, they are just getting themselves situated in this field and I know we can expect some amazing **** to come in the future.
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Its going to be a looooooooooooong time before we see a tablet that will run games as graphically intense as Far Cry 2. Most pc's other than fairly high end systems can barely run it, if at all................besides, you need a mouse and keyboard for games like that, doesn't fair well with a tablet..................Besides, tablets are a pain to carry around, don't fit in the pocket or on the hip....
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Its going to be a looooooooooooong time before we see a tablet that will run games as graphically intense as Far Cry 2. Most pc's other than fairly high end systems can barely run it, if at all................besides, you need a mouse and keyboard for games like that, doesn't fair well with a tablet..................Besides, tablets are a pain to carry around, don't fit in the pocket or on the hip....
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I feel with gentures and multi-touch capabilities that we will be without the keyboard before long. i mean its long overdue regardles.... The keyboard is like what.....30 years old now? We need to move on to higher and better things especially with multi touch or even on screen keyboards.
I swear to god if our PCs start going to soft keyboards, I will personally huntdown and gut whoever made the push.
/bitter
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I swear to god if our PCs start going to soft keyboards, I will personally huntdown and gut whoever made the push.
/bitter
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Agreed, I love my keyboard LOL.
I have a couple of tablet devices I use at work and there will never be a virtual replacement for the tactile feedback a keyboard gives you.
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I feel with gentures and multi-touch capabilities that we will be without the keyboard before long. i mean its long overdue regardles.... The keyboard is like what.....30 years old now? We need to move on to higher and better things especially with multi touch or even on screen keyboards.
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I don't think that will work well with games, unless they go the route of the Wii and use motion sensing.....
I love my keyboard and mouse......
I think touchscreen interaction is, at best, a sideways move from physical input devices. The future is going to be a pure thought-based interface.
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I think touchscreen interaction is, at best, a sideways move from physical input devices. The future is going to be a pure thought-based interface.
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Wonder who will control who...seems like if you could go one direction with "thought powered" the computer implanting or creating thoughts in your head is not far off...scary thought....i think I may have poo'd a little...
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Its going to be a looooooooooooong time before we see a tablet that will run games as graphically intense as Far Cry 2. Most pc's other than fairly high end systems can barely run it, if at all................besides, you need a mouse and keyboard for games like that, doesn't fair well with a tablet..................Besides, tablets are a pain to carry around, don't fit in the pocket or on the hip....
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I actually think games like starcraft 2 would be amazing on a tablet, using multiple fingers instead a lot of on screen clicking with a mouse you could micro easily and do a lot at once.
off-topic. anyone ever see people play starcraft (especially koreans) they are amazing good, I used to play sc a lot and couldnt come close to anybody actually good. starcraft is like a national sport in korea, best players are treated like celebrities.
Dig up your old starcraft cd key and you own it for life on blizzard website, you can download it as many times as you want and play online still...
I used my starcraft non broodwar cd key i found in a box in my attic and they gave me broodwar for free...
worth trying out.
Only if I can find mine, looked earlier when i seen i could try to get the beta for sc2
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I’ll be starting grad school in the fall and am in the market for a laptop/tablet and currently the Transformer is at the top of my list right now. I was hoping I could get some honest opinions on how the well the transformer works as both a media and productivity device (primarily concerned with the latter). I plan on using it for grad school, but since I’ll also be working a full-time job during the day, hope to use it as a work device as well. I also moonlight as a photographer, and am looking for ways I can incorporate the transformer into that as well.
My main concern is the stability of Android. I’ve owned both an EVO and an HTC HD2 running Android/Windows Phone 7 (thanks xda!), and although I loved the openness and overall capability of Android, the instability and battery life made things too cumbersome at times. My phone doubles as a work and personal device, so I fire off a lot of e-mails all day, view docs, send calls, etc etc. Nothing was more frustrating than having the phone lock up in the middle of something important, or die in the middle of the day if I used it a lot (on days when I need to use it a lot). Currently using an iPhone 4, which I know doesn’t get a whole lot of love around here, but simply works when needed. Not an Apple fanboy by any means…actually an old Windows Mobile guy, but sometimes stability and accessibility are important…particularly for heavy users like me.
Secondly, I’d like to know how productive one can really be on the transformer. What’s piqued my interest about Android on a tablet is the ‘desktop-esque’ experience it provides. As good as iOS to me is on a phone, its utterly neutered and has very little utility on a tablet IMO. For instance, true multi-tasking isn’t too important to me on a phone, but it would be on a tablet. Interested in knowing how well the tablet handles word docs, excel sheets, and PDF files…particularly from those who have experience with the keyboard dock.
Looking for honest answers here, and hope people can look beyond ownership bias. Hoping to hear the good and the bad. I’ve used enough mobile and desktop OS’s and devices to know that nothing is ever perfect.
I can't really comment on the productivity end as I mainly use my Transformer to read, watch videos, play games, and web browse. For what I need it to do it is great. HD videos on YouTube play great. It does have issues playing HD videos that are in mkv format but one they are re-encoded they play great.
The screen is where this thing really shines though. I have yet to see a better screen on a tablet anywhere. None of the HC tablets even come close, imho. I do have some light bleed but it isn't enough to bother me and I don't even see it unless I am in a dark room with the brightness cranked up.
One thing you won't have to worry about is battery life. The battery in this thing is way better than I expected. I can get 2 days with my average use, easy. It also hardly loses any battery when in standby also.
Honeycomb does still need some tweaking but it is not a big problem. There aren't a lot of apps optimized for HC yet but the list will increase with time.
Personally I think you would be better off with a laptop for your needs.
I think you will suffer the same frustration you did with your andriod phones if you are using the tablet for lots of documents, spreadsheets and other office type apllications.
I think these things are really designed for web browsing, casual email, game playing, music & video playing, etc.
You can edit docs etc and the optional keyboard helps a lot, but I think of these as a secondary machine. I have a desk top and a laptop too. At home it has pretty much replaced the laptop but not for work related tasks.
Im new to tablets and android all together. As a computer tech by trade, I figured it would be good to learn somethign new, did some research and went with the transformer. And I must say, coming from a windows & iOS background, Android has been a HUGE let down.
the hardware on the tablet is great. Build quality, the screen, the dock works wonderfully. USB ports that charge my phone. etc. All top notch.
Android is the downfall of the eee pad. To get the tablet to perform anywhere near the capabilty of my iPhone or PC, its about 5x the amount of work.
Video playback is a joke. when I try to copy any file over 3 or 4 gigs onto it, it crashes. And of all the videos ive copied over, only 2 worked properly. Even supported file formats are iffy at times.
App support is also very weak. The list of apps on this site that are supported by the eee pad is pretty much all you get. Which is sad compared to the App support that the iPad / win7 tablets have.
From a work standpoint, the failure of the proxy support is huge. I have to use a proxy server at work for my devices to function properly. Laptop: works fine. iPhone: works fine. Android: doesnt work at all. Native proxy support in 3.1 just doesnt work. Using apps to get proxy support KIND of works, but is flakey at best. If your work/school relies on proxy servers , then dont expect to use the eeePad there.
Hotspots.. again, a big problem. Bluetooth tethering KIND of worked for me, but since the proxy support is so shoddy, that started interfering with tethering when proxy wasnt needed and... you guessed it, didnt work. Not only that but for proper adhoc tethering , youll have to root the device and install a custom kernal or something.
So, all those issues are Honeycomb related. Gonna hit the same problems on the Xoom or anythign else that uses 3.x The only reason im keeping my eee pad is because software issues get worked out in time. They better... because right now this thing is just a giant paper weight for me. still on the edge of returning it and buying it again later once all the problems are fixed. So ya, it may be able to handle word, excel and such documents (so can the iPad by the way), but with such severe connectivity and networking issues, it really doesnt matter. *shrugs. honesty! EP121 anyone?
The TF would be good to SUPPLEMENT a full desktop or more powerful laptop but it could never be my primary machine. I need the application/device support of windows.
Being said if I had a computer at home I could have made it through college with the transformer as my mobile device.
As for the guy above me i havent experienced any of his issues. It only supports a few video files but that goes for all android stock media players. Recoding them to mp4/m4v in handbrake results in flawless video playback, never had a failure.
Apps are weak, its a new ecosystem. Like the ipad when it came out the vast majority of the "compatible" apps are just the phone apps scaled up. That will change.
Not sure about the proxy, havent encountered that. Ive never had a hotspot issue. In a restaurant, at work, using my Evo to wireless tether or on the plane. Its connected to every "infrastructure AP" network Ive ever tried and that is all I encounter. I have never had a need to connect AdHoc.
Before I got my tablet, I had imagined all these things I would use it for.
I was going to be able to do all of the following on one device!
For productivity:
- Check emails
- Read textbooks in pdf format, be able to highlight, save bookmarks and annotations...all in digital format.
- Use office programs like Word & Excel for typing up papers and creating charts.
- Watch video lectures & tutorials
- Use Anki flashcards
For entertainment:
- Watch videos from streaming sites
- Have a library of HD movies/miniseries on the device
- Be able to HDMI out my video library wherever I was
- Have emulators with a whole bunch of games I could play whenever I had down time
- play Android market games
This is what happened after I got the Transformer:
I realized I could do all the above, but ended up going to other devices because it just felt cumbersome on a tablet.
About all I used the tablet for was to watch videos and...watch videos..oh yeah and casual web browsing.
- Checking emails...I ended up just pulling out my phone.
- Reading textbooks...not many available in PDF...and it's not that great on a digital screen. Writing notes...don't even try it...even with one of those capacitative pens.
- Word and Excel are ok...but you can't do multi worksheet formulas...etc. I ended up just using my laptop or desktop.
- Video lectures...a lot of them required plugins and the browser/OS did not support that...back to laptop.
- Videos from streaming sites...choppy...unwatchable.
- HD movies...commonly downloaded ones dont work...had to re-encode or transcode at least 80% of them.
- HDMI haven't tested....I had to return my transformer...since the touch screen locked up.
Emulators...never did it.
- Android games...as a gamer...I find the current crop of games to be too simplistic and boring (minus Spectral Souls)
I have another one on order that's arriving today, so I'm still giving it a chance. Maybe I'm not using it properly...in any case it is still a pretty cool device to have around. I would consider it a borderline second device...but more like a third (i.e. Desktop for true power productivity/gaming, Laptop for moderate mobile productivity, then a Tablet when you go on quick vacations and you don't want to carry the others).
I would look for something like a laptop that cam run windows and android at the same time. Like the viewsonic pro.. acer w 500..better yet the evolve three convertible.
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I have my Transformer for about 2 weeks now. Actually today is the day I would have to decide either to keep it or to return it back to BB. Just finally got the keyboard dock just 2 days ago. My perseption before and after having it is completely different.
Before having it, I was really excited, kind of hoping finally the perfect device has arrived. A perfect device that can do everything I need.
I kind of know from reading everywhere, mostly from this forum what to expect and what is not there yet. Yet I finally decided to buy it with big hopes that with time, everything will be there. Buying the transformer also means I decided to invest in the Honeycomb platform rather than others (like iPad). I have no luxury of keep buying new devices, so I had to be careful to choose and decide.
My previous experience with Android was very good indeed (have a HTC Evo, my first Android phone). Before that, I always used Windows Mobile phone, which did everything I needed.
Well, my HTC Evo did everything and more, and that's why I had a big hope with the transformer/honeycomb. I chose the transformer among other honeycomb tablets for some obvious reasons: the keyboard dock that has the USB ports and the SD Card reader, and extra battery.
I also like photography and I needed to make sure I can use it to transfer pictures from my camera SD Card to an external HDD. I checked and found out the transformer does that perfectly, with the NTFS support right out of the box. That's incredible in my opinion.
I also imagined I would be able to connect to my work network and do anything I needed to via Citrix. And for personal communication, there is a Yahoo Messenger, Google Talk, and Skype.
After getting it, my expectation dropped and everyday is a learning day for me, as well as improvement day.
My first day with the transformer, I got all my emails setup (dual Exchange support! My Evo does not do that (I heard some custom ROM can do that), then I could not find Yahoo Messenger (dissapointed, well, there is a Yahoo messenger for my android phone, and its perfect!), Skype is a phone version and looks weird and many features missing (video call is the most important missing feature).
Day after day, until now, I still do the improvement jobs, and got many items not available previously. Got Yahoo Messenger from a good guy here in the forum, got a battery indicator wigdet from this forum also, and many bug fixes here and there.
For work purposes, I also drop my expectation. The connection from Citrix client in honeycomb takes very long (3-5 minutes) while from my Evo it takes much quicker. Not sure why, I contacted Citrix support about this. They said they both should perform the same as the core are the same, but they behaves differently.
Checking email only is not enough for me, if somebody sent an email, it comes with an issue to fix.
Yes, its hard to decide to let it go, or continue to keep it. I decide to continue to keep it, again, with hope, over time, things get better and better.
What do I gain from the transformer compared to my netbook?
Well, battery life, like many said here, is very exceptional. I got 2 full days. 1 day plus without the keyboard dock before. Really full day till night, with everything I do, from emails, browsing, youtube, reading, etc.
Instant on and ready. Wifi always on.
No spinning harddrive. No heat.
I was surprised! The device was not hot at all. Very different even compared to my Windows phone, connect to the wifi to a while and you can feel the heat. I'm not even talking about my netbook.
And I agree that many said here that its not a primary/replacement device. I still need my Windows machine to do most of the work.
It pains me to agree, but the above coments are true, as follower of android from day one. to anyone who has used an rooted/jailbroken ipad, honeycomb is way behind, to be honest google should be ashamed. as i type this on my transformer the lag is horendous. with the ipad you can nearly replace a netbook, full printing, ipgages and numbers are real tablet work tools. The TF is just about ok for web browsing, but just. As a media device it sucks. I tried to watch a streaming movie on movie stream, ok it plays but stutters and is awful. switched on my now ancient ipad with 256mb ram clicked on istream net and bang same movie looking almost 720p smooth as a nut. All the points brought against the ipad now seem to be a joke to me, even the no flash issue. Ok you have limited access by usb and SD card but there is some plus work arounds. I mentioned on a Archos site that i could stream any movie via air video from a crappy netbook hooked up to a 1TB HDD and if not in playable format they could be converted on the fly, this is over a local wireless network or over 3g anywhereon the ipadand they all took the piss, but its true. As an owner of a TF and Ipad, I have togive credit to ASUS, i love the concept. But as stated in an earlier post, I will be reaching for my HTC desire or IPAD more than the transformer. Lets hope Google step up, and support ASUS and the other manuacturers.
If honeycomb worked like the ipadit would blow apple out of the water. Anyway going to watch Tron on my year old Ipad.
i have to echo most of the above sentiment.
this is such a good idea, but it's just not ready...at least for me. i bought it for the reasons the op cited, and i'm let down. the lag kills the experience, even typing this on the keyboard is painful. honeycomb is great for usability imo, and the open ability to customize, but it is flat out slow. the browser is capable, but slowdolphin is buggy, adbloc is hard to come by (that works properly)
editing docs in polari is slow, screen rotation is slow, it's just everything i so slow. my dell mini 9 runs faster for the few times i need to doc edit, and the ipad run circles around it in terms of tablet function (but has several huge letdowns in its own right)
the one difference from some of the above posters is that i won't hang onto it and hope software gets smoothed out, by the time that happens we will have at leat one generation newer devices, maybe 2...so suffer with inferior experience to be outdated..not for me.
As I sai in another thread, i see this concept as the future...without doubt. my days of wanting to pay to beta test are over though.
Edit from my iPad. - see all those missing letters at the ends of words, that was typed with the dock..that's how bad lag is. I see no choice but to return it, I can't see google/ ASus releasing a realistic fix in the next couple weeks...but I hope I'm wrong.
Stability: maybe I'm lucky but I find Transformer to be VERY stable. Only FCs I have were when closing some game and maybe once in the browser.
Honest opinion: it's still only a toy. Don't expect it to be able to do anything better (or even on par with) than laptop or PC - but it is quite a good toy for many thins.
Right now I do most of my browsing on Transformer, for browsing it's in some things better than computers/laptops but in others it lacks greately (adblock, lack of extenstions in browser). It's also great for comics and PDF. And it's quite good for small games (Aporkalypse is great!).
I bought it mostly to write applications for it. In my personal opinion the OS is just great. The apps are mostly a mess with some pearls in it - like Newsr which just great or Dolphine Browser HD (or many others that you can find mentioned here and there on this forum). The problem is there is quite a huge lack of pearls in some departments. But it will change, I don't see what could stop it.
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I wish I had not read this thread. I´m very exited to collect my TF tomorrow. Looking forward to it for weeks. Planning on using it on the couch for browsing, playing with some apps, reading and responding to email, hanging around in a variety of forums etc.
Same as I do now with my HTC Desire and Asus T101MT netbook...so no really heavy stuff...
But as I read all these unsatisfied experiences I feel a bit uncertain about it. I mean I´m not an Applefanboy (ok, I do own an iPod) and I always feel a bit pity for all those people who buy an iPad just because it's an iPad...but now I'm in doubt...
Is this toy really that bad???
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I wish I had not read this thread. I´m very exited to collect my TF tomorrow. Looking forward to it for weeks. Planning on using it on the couch for browsing, playing with some apps, reading and responding to email, hanging around in a variety of forums etc.
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For things like that it's great. Only problem is that on some forums (this one is an example) most browsers are slow (but usable and with keyboard dock it should be much more easy to write on forums thank using screen keyboard).
Is this toy really that bad???
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It's not.
If you are not sure - go to some shop and play with it for a while. By "it" I mean - any tablet with HoneyComb.
Well after using the TF for about 3 weeks, I have to admit it is only a good toy. If you want productivity at school and home, stay away from the tablet form factor as a whole. HC is good, but the app support is bad, and its still a platform which is evolving. Other than watching YouTube videos, I don't use it much. The stock browser even on 3.1 is bad and slow. The browsing experience is way better on the laptop than this one.
Will try the Tab 10.1 too and see if it has a better experience. Otherwise, I don't feel the need for a tablet now, especially keeping in mind the current state of HC. Won't go for an iPad because I feel 4:3 aspect ratio is ridiculous.
Great toy for work and home. Wife loves it and my 7 year old enjoys it. Is hc beta? yes. Will it get better? yes
What's wrong with document editing in Polaris? Certainly it's a good deal better, in UI and features, than say QuickOffice or Doc2Go. I don't know if the rest of you are trying to manage complex multi-sheet spreadsheets or something, but for basic word processing it seems more or less adequate. Some people have weird and unrealistic expectations.
Be realistic as to what to expect
im new to the tablet and android world. When i bought the tablet, i wasnt expecting it to replace my laptop for heavy duty usage. Simply not there yet..
Allow me to give you and example of every day usage for me:
My tablet is always on.(sleep mode) i wake up, check my emails, the news, weather, all while im still in bed. I even check XDA forum to see the latest "oh no..im returning the transformer (sad Face)" thread...
when i get home, i do the same, but this time i sit in front of my tv, watch some nba finals, lookup some articles or "do it yourself" tutorials.. i get bored, open some tabs, tune my guitar (with the TF), and just jam out.. (reading tabs on portrait mode is beautiful)
Then my little girl gets to play on my "little computer" (barn stack, angry birds, read a long stories, etc.... which came in super handy on our recent road trip)
Before bed, i lookup some reviews on Netflix, add them to my instant queue, fire up the TV, check my Chase account (also app), more emails,
its convenient..
just last night i wanted to be nos and see how much the house on our street is selling for.. (zillow App) quick, with a gorgeous map. My xboxlive app notifies me of whose online.. just a lot of cool features
And im sure im not using the tablet to its full potential.. Ive tried the cloud jsut once (and monitored my laptop as it downloaded some "Stuff"//haha)
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What's wrong with document editing in Polaris? Certainly it's a good deal better, in UI and features, than say QuickOffice or Doc2Go. I don't know if the rest of you are trying to manage complex multi-sheet spreadsheets or something, but for basic word processing it seems more or less adequate. Some people have weird and unrealistic expectations.
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Lag. Also, the touchpad in the dock is a mess....unless I missed a way to disable tap clicking natively. It really has to be turned off. Polaris as a program is fine, and I liked the easy integration with dropbox...but even editing a light 2 page resume was laggy. It's probably not polaris' fault..the platform is laggy.
@jpvdw I actually think the iPad would be better suited for what you want to do. I see a ton of shortcomings with the iOS devices, but most of them involve getting work done for me. Like uploading files through a web browser and wanting to use a real keyboard (though there are bt options).
I want to move to android...there's just nothing for me to move to that can equal what I get. If maybe the device was 15% faster I'd bear with it.
two things..
first, there has to be a memory leak in one of the stock apps, or os, or something. i can reboot and be working fine for about 10 mins... then it gets all wonky again.
i reset the browser to factory defauults, and it actually seems like it's a bit faster now. even with plugins enabled
People - please DON'T EXPECT tablet performing well as your laptop or desktop replacement....how could a Tegra 2 with integrated GPU comparing to your laptop/desktop power horse!!
Now please go and enjoy your own Transformer device while sitting on the couch, lying on the bed or even in your bathroom (make sure you have accidental damage insurance in case you drop into the water ...)
For me, this tablet makes me more connecting to digital world...well sort of because sometimes I just use my blackberry without tablet or desktop at all...
good luck/enjoy!
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I like the tablet , but it has limited power next to a laptop or pc ,let me rephrase the power comment , it cant do what can be done on a pc ! I see it being using for many applications , however tablets sit bulky in the hand , as an embedded device for certain functions it will be a desirable device , like for schools or doctors, mechanics ,portable device functions , but it lacks in everything compared to the pc ! Im refferring to pc (macs are the same , I suppose desktops would be better) !
Dont get me wrong I like the Iconia , I just dont see it taking the place of the desktop as the crApple fan bois would like us all to believe , they couldnt come up with the the netbook , so they copied a tablet !
I almost agree with you. The iPad is a great example of a device that'll never handle true desktop productivity. That said, I just upgraded my phone to the Evo 3D and discovered it came with the capability to print to my WiFi printer from most apps that I would want/need to. I can print emails, many attachments, photos, contacts, calendars, web pages, etc.. I believe that system-wide printing will come standard in IceCreamSandwich. Android 3.1 and 2.3.3 already support keyboards and mice, and other input devices too. I'm WiFi scanning capability away from being able to use a modern tablet as a desktop replacement in my university teaching role. Some of the things a tablet can do well the old desktop couldn't do at all, so for me the tablet can be a more productive tool than my desktop was. One more generation will put quad-core processors in these tablets. That's 3 cores more than my last desktop had, and it served me fine. Android, unlike iOS, is moving close and closer to being a workhorse OS. I love it!
It really lacks the heat and noise of my gaming rig when i just want browse the web. Tablets are more in compitition with netbooks. Only fools would walk into a store thinking that this ten inch device would say rip bluerays and convert while playing rounds on tf2. Otherise cool story bro
Even the steve jobs said you will always need a truck to handle the workload and thats a anaolgy for desktop and such
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No one who doesn't actually have an agenda would claim that tablets are going to replace desktop computers, but they sure do replace netbooks and laptops for many people. Often people buy netbooks and laptops because they want to be able to read their favorite websites, stay in touch with others via e-mail and just generally to have a way of reaching information on-the-go should the need arise, and a tablet literally shines in such situations.
My laptop replaced my desktop years ago. And as of a few weeks ago, my Dell Streak 7 has replaced my laptop. Replaced as in I sold my laptop. I am a writer, I do video blogging, internet security consulting, and I'm a minister. My tablet has replaced all of my media devices except for the tv, and that even gets replaced by my tablet if I am the only one watching. The only thing I need a pc for now it to flash a new ROM onto my tablet, and rip CDs to mp3 so they can be transfered to the tablet. And to back up my tablet storage in case of failure.
I know that most people will not be going to a tablet as their only computing device any time soon, but I can assure you, it is doable, and quite enjoyable. My only agenda is having my entire digital life in my pocket. And an android tablet does that perfectly.
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In my opinion, the tablet market right now is starting to evolve to replace laptops/netbooks. We are still in the early stages and I won't be surprised if a few years from now, netbooks and tablets will be marketed as a single device (Windows8 has the biggest potential for this IMHO). Want to use it casually in bed? Remove it from its dock, Want to be a power user? Dock it and have a complete kb-mouse-monitor package (akin to the transformer).
I myself use my Iconia more than my netbook already. I only open up my netbook when I need to write something or do photoshop - which is more often than not a handful of times a week. It's just plain more comfortable to watch/read stuff with a tablet especially in bed.
What would be really great is a dual core atom netbook with wifi (yes, I know that's standard), AND a good gps biult-in, two usb host ports and a usb mini slave (for connection to full PC).
I'd buy that for $5 - 700, 2G ram or more, 80 - 120G SSD..
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My laptop replaced my desktop years ago. And as of a few weeks ago, my Dell Streak 7 has replaced my laptop. Replaced as in I sold my laptop. I am a writer, I do video blogging, internet security consulting, and I'm a minister. My tablet has replaced all of my media devices except for the tv, and that even gets replaced by my tablet if I am the only one watching. The only thing I need a pc for now it to flash a new ROM onto my tablet, and rip CDs to mp3 so they can be transfered to the tablet. And to back up my tablet storage in case of failure.
I know that most people will not be going to a tablet as their only computing device any time soon, but I can assure you, it is doable, and quite enjoyable. My only agenda is having my entire digital life in my pocket. And an android tablet does that perfectly.
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You are a minister and you are running a DELL?!?!?! REPENT!!!!
Interesting conversation.
At first my Nook Color and now my Iconia have replaced my personal laptop. i have a somewhat powerful work laptop and I am not a big gamer so if I need some heavy lifting done, which is rare, I can do it on my work laptop.
The Acer is much better than my laptop for reading, watching movies, and surfing the web and it is the perfect size for commuting.
WorkingOnWise;15209560My only agenda is having my entire digital life in my pocket. And an android tablet does that perfectly. :-)
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Lol! My son gets this for graduating boot camp in February, when I will get whatever the hotrod dual or quad core 7" android device is out. I like this tablet, but Dell made so many needless compromises with it, I don't see myself buying another Dell. Is that enouth repentance?
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still not quite there,
But I think with the power these devices will soon have. Tablets may be the next console device for gaming. Just look at the partnerships that have developed. Sony already has a phone that pretends to be a PSP. And they will soon have a tablet too. Couple years from now, I could see these tablets running console style games, maybe even a ps4 tablet that omits the stay at home console box. Dock and play, or undock and play on the go. Plus look at all the people trying to link ps3 contollers to run with their emulators. I know others have mentioned the rumors, just give it a bit of time.
As for PC replacement, I am already there. It does not replace my desktop rig for burning bluray. It DOES eliminate my laptop in every way. Web, basic games, email, video chat, can even use torrent services. The future just looks better, even if that means another brand tablet, but love iconia for right now.
For me, the Iconia is perfect as a mobile solution, since I am frequently on the train. Much more handy than a netbook or laptop for when you are actually on the move and you have lots of stuff with you, so every extra kilo is precious. Laptops are rather bulky for watching a movie on the go and even netbooks now feel quite bad in comparison (same screen size, double the weight, half the battery time).
On the other hand, I also have my gaming rig at home, where I can do my movie converting, store my music collection etc. Iconia (or the next generation of tablets) certainly can't replace all that for me. But I can easily see it chomping at the laptop share of the market.
sittin here at work... thinking... I gotta start that batch conversion when I get home... wait! I have splashtop... I can load my pc's desktop on my iconia and do my batch right now... then I can run netflix and watch something or maybe txt my wife to put the other dvd/blueray in the drive so I can start that rip from here...
although I haven't replaced my desktop at home... I certainly have eliminated the need to be there to operate it... I love my iconia!!!
Tablets aren't replacing desktops anytime soon for people on these forums.
But, think of this - what about the mom's, grandmoms and others who just want to check email and browse the web? Why would they NEED anything more than a tablet?
My wife uses a tablet almost exclusively now. Only when she needs to print something does she go to the desktop, and that's very rare (school forms, etc.) And if they can ever get printing built into Android it would go a long way towards doing away with need for a desktop for a lot of people.
At least half of my employees could easily replace their home PC with a 10" tablet and be better off for it.
Of course the people on these forums are more the desktop PC experts and techies and we will never be able to do away with our desktops.
For work, we're investigating replacing some employee laptops with Honeycomb tablets and a special app we are writing. It would provide better mobility for those specific job functions than a laptop ever could, and allow us to better control the devices, spend less on them, and ensure the data security better. Because most of our desktops are used for massive data entry, a tablet doesn't make sense there, but a tablet with a docking station, HDMI screen and keyboard might make sense in the future for some employees...
If only Google would put out a real tablet Docs app...
great conversation
I have been a avid computer user since the late 1980's and holding this a500 in my hands still amazes me after nearly a month owning it.
The only reason I find myself sitting at my IBM desktop machine is when I need to pull some files from a DVD/CD or need to print something, or have spare time for some gaming.
This thing has replaced 90%+ of what I use a desktop for - and just think - the tablet market has barely gotten started. Imagine what these will be like in ten years
On a side note; no chance 3.1 can use a USB based external dvd-rom drive, is there?
So I couldn't resist but to get a cheap Touchpad yesterday to play with. It actually has a very nice OS, but it's buggy every where.
First, the screen on this thing is subpar compare to the Gtab 10.1. It is like night and day. I expected at least Ipad quality since it was advertised as IPS display, but everything looked blurry. At 80% brightness is equivalent to about 30% on the Gtab.
Built quality is decent. Pretty clean with a piano, gloss finish.
Sound from the speaker is really good since it's got Dr. Dre's Beat's Audio branded speakers.
WebOS: I love the cards, and how the multitasking work. Swiping up to close an app is very intuitive. It was quite fun to use.
Web browser: for most sites, especially flash site, it works very well. Flash is on par with all the Honeycomb tablets I have used. However, I tried to go into my hospital's website to start a Citrix app, it would just keep refreshing and not load the page. I even updated to the latest 3.02. Obvious my clinic's Citrix page didn't load either. The problem here is that they advertised the Touchpad as compatible with Citrix.
Reading PDFs: the only app is Acrobat Reader. It doesn't render the files correctly, it's always blurry. Pinch zoom in/out don't work. Basically, if you used anything else, you would never use the Touchpad to read PDFs.
Bluetooth stack: using my Sennheiser MM550 with the Gtab's BT, music sounds flawless and the range is amazing. The Touchpad gives intermittent clicks just like my HTC Inspire in terms of BT audio.
I won't mention app store since it's not fair to even compare.
I think it all went wrong because the device didn't have good foundation. It didn't have a quality screen, and the WebOS was put out prematurely. There are things to like about it just the negatives seem to overwhelm my experience. It's sad that if it's $50 today, I would still pay $500 to use the Gtab 10.1. Obvious if you just do basic web browsing $100 is a killer deal for the Touchpad.
$50 eh? Check your PMs.
I never got to use the Touch Pad before they disappeared from Best Buy. I briefly checked it out when I picked up my Galaxy Tab. It's just amazing to me that HP put out this completely half baked product. Consumer products are what they do. By all accounts WebOS has great potential. You would think that HP would be able to capitalize on that foundation but it appears they had no intention of doing that (maybe from the beginning). I would say I was eagerly awaiting to see what HP would do with WebOS thinking it would one day be real competition. Now it's all but dead. Nice job, well played!
I thought about buying one for $100 to play with and figured someone would eventually get Android on it. But, whatever, I've got a Galaxy Tab. I'll save my money and buy Galaxy Tab accessories, etc. ;-)
Even though I own an ipad and a galaxy tab 10.1, I couldn't pass up the deal on the touchpad so I bought one. I agree a lot woth what the OP said. It has a lot of potential but it is half baked. The browser has lots of issues. The email client is very good. The multitasking is fantastic. The build quality is subpar - lots of flex and creaks in the back.
All in all i am glad I bought one, but its not worth a penny over $100.
Where is it available for $50?
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Sorry didn't mean to cause confusion. I'm just saying hypothetically if it were $50, I still wouldn't keep it. I got it for $100 fire sale price.
HP could/should have done a samsung and pulled the Touchpad after early reviews, then brought out a re-engineered/souped-up version that answered all those complaints. Price it at $399 for 16gb, then solicit (pay) iOS and Android devs to port their best apps over to it.
Just a thought.
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Even though I own an ipad and a galaxy tab 10.1, I couldn't pass up the deal on the touchpad so I bought one. I agree a lot woth what the OP said. It has a lot of potential but it is half baked. The browser has lots of issues. The email client is very good. The multitasking is fantastic. The build quality is subpar - lots of flex and creaks in the back.
All in all i am glad I bought one, but its not worth a penny over $100.
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Before the fire sale, Staples put out a $100 off coupon on top of HP's $100 price drop so it was $299. I thought it was a decent deal assuming it was early in its lifespan and with HP behind it things would evolve pretty quickly.
Pros:
- webOS in tablet-size worked well. It was fluid and intuitive. Basics like Wi-Fi and Bluetooth worked and behaved well.
- The e-mail app was terrific.
- The display was decent, not fantastic, but decent.
- The conductive charging station was cool.
- Overall performance was good with little lag.
- It comes with a free 50GB box.net account which is well integrated in to webOS.
Cons:
- webOS is like iOS, rigid and inflexible. If you like tailoring and customizing your user experience you're SOL.
- The web browser was pathetic. It was great for sites that are basic but anything Java or Flash heavy caused it to crap out. With few native apps, you have to rely on the browser for things like Netflix, HBOGO, and Rhapsody. They either don't work or flake out so often it takes 5 shots to get something playing. Rhapsody streaming for example wouldn't keep the device awake.
- There are no document editors available. Period. And now there probably won't be.
- The PDF implementation can only read the most basic documents. It can't render anything complicated.
- No available e-reader supports ePub.
- It was heavy and bulky and felt like a Gen-1 device.
- It supported no DRM-protected files and natively only supported MP4 video.
- Video streaming through KalemSoft, a third party product, added additional format support but it was slow and all but the smallest files stuttered to the point of being unwatchable.
- Apps? What apps?
I was still in the 14 day return period when the fire sale was announced and returned it and all its accessories. I could have had it for $99 with a price adjustment but who would want it? Half-baked is now its permanent state and with the limitations described its pretty much unusable. I got flamed in the earlier TP discussion thread because people were deluded by the huge discount. You can't use it as a browsing device because it chokes on complicated websites, you can't use it as an e-reader unless you only subscribe to Kindle, you can't use it for video/audio because of its limitations, you can't use it for games because there are none. So basically the only thing it did well was e-mail and to a lesser extent social media. So for $99 people have a big and heavy e-mail reader.
I got a Tab on Thursday. Talk about night and day. I have a SGS2 and a lot of TW stuff is common between them so I had no problem getting it set up. It does everything I need it to do and does so pretty much flawlessly. I'm streaming MKV video over my tethered SGS2 without dropping a single frame. The TP, even if it lived, never could have accomplished that. I have a 3G model coming in two weeks from the UK so, with HSPA+ data, it'll be the perfect travel companion.
So the lesson I learned from all of this was to screw being an early adopter. Go with the number one or number two because its your only assurance of longevity. If a company with HP's resources could pull the plug so quickly, what are the chances of lesser-resourced companies/technologies surviving? And to the $99 TP owners, good luck. Even a chicken with its head cut off runs around for a while before it dies.
I managed to get a 32gb for $150, I will put it on a shelf until they get android working.
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I managed to get a 32gb for $150, I will put it on a shelf until they get android working.
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same here...
I agree!
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I managed to get a 32gb for $150, I will put it on a shelf until they get android working.
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Yep, me too. Mine should be here by thursday. I like my sammy, but for 150 and since I may be skipping the very next iteration of whatever comes out this ought to be fun to play around with for a bit. At the very least one of my kids will get it.
Managed to get a $100.00 touchpad from Tigerdirect so wen it arrived this weekend, I put down my 32gb Galaxy Tab 10.1 and played around with it a bit. It seemeda bit slow at first but then I installed the latest OTA update and WOW the speed was awesome. I enabled developer mode (really really easy) by typing in the command in the search menu upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart and a button popped up and I was enabled for developing. In about 30 minsi had installed Preware (hacking type software) and turned off logging and applied some patches courtesy of the Touchpad developing geeks and again my Touchpad sped up. Finally I applied an overclock kernel (too easy, way to easy compared to android) and installed a program called Govnah and now I am running at a stable 1.5ghz, easy as pie.
I wanted my itunes on the device so I downloaded the HP music manager (interface very simular to Itunes) and in a few minutes my entire Itunes library was transfered to my device without any errors compared to the 30+ protected content errors I receive from Doubletwist everytime I sync.
I set up the free Box.net account and got a lifetime of 50 gigabytes for free ($20.00 per month value) and I downloaded the Box.net app on all of my Android devices. Just the Box.net account alone made the device worth the money.
There are some great app's on in the HP Market but in the amount of quantity they are seriously lacking compared to Android. I bought a touchstone charger, keyboard and case andi have to say that it is so cool putting the Touchpad on the touchstone in either landscape or portrait and it charges without plugging it in case or no case.
I have to say that I am very impessed with the Touchpad. I know I will get flamed for saying this but webOS is very nice and polished and really has some awesome features. I installed a bunch of apps and used it for amost 24hrs straight and I didn't experience any lagg or unresponsiveness. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 on the other hand get very laggy and slow after I have opened and closed and even task killed the apps. I credit the card swiping as the reason why webOS doesn't lag out like my Android devices do, when you swipe an app away It is really closed and not using memory or cpu power (take note Android). I believe webOS would be a great Linux based operating system for Anroid to purchase and intergrate the fit, finish and innovation into Android. I still love my Galaxy Tab but I am finding myself picking up the touchpad and using it more nowdays plus the Beats audio sounds awesome.
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Debated if i should respond but, in the spirit of helping. Preader native reads epub and the mention of that app then says there is other ereaders besides kindle.. Honestly im surprised in this forum that the homebrew app store wouldnt have been the first thing to be looked into .
Some friends of mine and i have a box net folder full of Epub , if you want me to invite you so you can see for yourself , let me know.
Google music played great from the web browser, first thing i tried . There are apps to keep it "awake". I barely scratched the surface with this thing, Its not going to beat out much but some of these cons need a little due diligence.
I played Rio and The Boondocks thru kalemsoft which relies on your network , no stuttering . Im not even sure how it gets to be a Con when it adds video support. Touch Pad should get the Con for no Native video support, The Addon gets the Pro .
What CBP said, its extremely easy to get into developers mode and tweak it. Another friend stated he "jailbroke" it, I replied as easy as it was to do this , I woudln't say jailbreak or root. It really was too easy.
HP should have paid you all to advertise for them! Because the ads they did run didn't do anything to get me interested in the TouchPad. From everything I read of WebOS and the videos I have seen of it, it looks awesome. Too bad though. As some said previously, hopefully Google can intergrate more intuitive features into Android.
After having done this:
http://phonedog.com/2011/08/28/experencing-lag-on-your-new-touchpad-here-s-how-to-fix-it/
I can attest that this has dramatically improved the device. I am very happy with my $99 purchase and love the device (with all it's shortcomings) even though my primary device is still my GT10.1.
When the last palm employee left HP building and HP pull the plug off the servers that offer various services to the webOS devices, let's know how useful your TouchPad will be then. FWIK, a lot of functionalities, including emails, require this backend service, much like RIM's infrastructure, to work. Hence the name webOS.
And don't expect any miracles from Android to save the day. At best, you may get a Froyo or Gingerbread port. Forget about HoneyComb because it is not open source, and never will. Only the select few tablets oked by Google will have HC.
CM7 on Touchpad
HP TouchPad Demonstrated Running Android
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/239069/hp_touchpad_demonstrated_running_android.html
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HP TouchPad Demonstrated Running Android
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/239069/hp_touchpad_demonstrated_running_android.html
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Heh. More like crawling on the floor with its legs crushed rather than running.
Anyway, any Honeycomb ports to the Touchpad will be buggy. If they get CM7 going on it then maybe that might be good. But if you're sitting on a Touchpad it might be best to wait for Ice Cream Sandwich. I would guess that will be the ROM to flash. If you already have a native Honeycomb tablet like the Galaxy, then enjoy the novelty of WebOS. We use ours as a kitchen table browser.
Wow, I cannot believe how much you really hate the Touchpad and you probably have never used it. I own both a GT 10.1 and two android phones and now a webOS device and I have to admit I like it and I am not looking for an Android port for the Touchpad. I will probably stick with webOS and still use my GT 10.1. Just in case you have been asleep for the past week, HP stated they will continue to develope webOS and possibly license it to other manufactures. They are just deciding to stop producing the webOS hardware and stop manufacturing personal PC computers. The announcement was made for both at the same time so it was not just a webOS thing.
It is sort of funny that the biggest critics of the Touchpad don't own them or have not spent any time getting used to the device. The GT 10.1 is a nice thin pretty tablet but it is pretty laggy sometimes and has it's own issues and the Touchpad isn't exempt but after using both I really wish webOS had more development and just as many app's.
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Wow, I cannot believe how much you really hate the Touchpad and you probably have never used it.
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I played with it in BestBuy when I went look for GT. It takes forever to load any app. That's my experience with it.
I don't hate webOS. But that is history.
Just in case you have been asleep for the past week, HP stated they will continue to develope webOS and possibly license it to other manufactures. They are just deciding to stop producing the webOS hardware and stop manufacturing personal PC computers. The announcement was made for both at the same time so it was not just a webOS thing.
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I guess you never worked in a big corp environment. When they cut a product, entire team will be gone. Unless you trust the HP managers to write webOS code, any webOS developers in HP that have half a brain will already be looking for a new job. Who's going to maintain the webOS?
It's gone and it is history (unless Samsung picks it up as rumor indicates but that will be going to be the buggiest webOS release ever).
So I was apprehensive about purchasing an Ouya after finding out about the recovery issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2326377&highlight=let+ouya+know
http://forums.ouya.tv/discussion/1380/recovery-mode
But I went ahead and got one from Amazon anyway. Rooted it, running Nova Launcher rather than the Ouya one, Installed the Google Play Store.... XBMC ...
played a few games a bit.
It's not perfect. But I'm loving it anyway.
I just don't wanna brick it, so I haven't tried any of the alternate ROMs. I'd love to throw CM10 on this little cube.
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If you love your Ouya... this is your thread.
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So I was apprehensive about purchasing an Ouya after finding out about the recovery issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2326377&highlight=let+ouya+know
http://forums.ouya.tv/discussion/1380/recovery-mode
But I went ahead and got one from Amazon anyway. Rooted it, running Nova Launcher rather than the Ouya one, Installed the Google Play Store.... XBMC ...
played a few games a bit.
It's not perfect. But I'm loving it anyway.
I just don't wanna brick it, so I haven't tried any of the alternate ROMs. I'd love to throw CM10 on this little cube.
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If you love your Ouya... this is your thread.
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I love it! it works perfectly as a low power media center and the games I run on it work well. I'm just having a hard time making it detect my SD card but i'm almost there...
I personally can't stand the overlay, so when I get the chance (and energy), I'll try to put CM10 on it, at which point I expect I'll be fine with it. The controller is awful though (for me, anyway), so I'm looking forward to connecting some cheap USB hardware once I get back to school to use it as a media server. I require basically nothing else from it.
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I personally can't stand the overlay, so when I get the chance (and energy), I'll try to put CM10 on it, at which point I expect I'll be fine with it. The controller is awful though (for me, anyway), so I'm looking forward to connecting some cheap USB hardware once I get back to school to use it as a media server. I require basically nothing else from it.
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Its perfect as media server. USB keyboard and mouse work great on it. In the mean time, try blue board.
Also by overlay, I assume you mean the interface itself. You can just install Nova Launcher.
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Its perfect as media server. USB keyboard and mouse work great on it. In the mean time, try blue board.
Also by overlay, I assume you mean the interface itself. You can just install Nova Launcher.
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The launcher is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to annoyances: a lot of things I do daily on other devices involve weird workarounds and jumping through "user-friendly" panels. I really don't have a patience with most customized skins, so it's really not worth my time until I can flash CM. As with all things, mileage varies, so take this for what it is.
I personally enjoy the Interface. Coming from an MK808 with a stock Android experience, screwing with the UI using an Airmouse or controller was a pain in the butt. I love the simplicity and being able to just pick what I want and go.
I could see if you are using it more as a media server. But just for playing games (what I purchased it for) the UI is awesome.
The Gamepad leaves a little to be desired for. Really, nothing beats a PS3 gamepad for retro gaming. The OUYA gamepad feels nice, but it feels like a 360 pad... with its iffy circle dpad. The controller responds very well but the dpad makes retro gaming a bit cumbersome. The PS3 is also lighter and just feels right. Fortunately the PS3 pad pairs effortlessly and has become my main go to for EMU's.
Overall I love it. Mine took a factory reset before it saw my USB HDD, but good to go. The Ouya Store is a little cluttered. They have Top Favorites like 5 times and each has duplicate games... so you keep seeing the same ones over and over. Right now, the store is barren, so finding something is easy if you search by categories. This WILL be a problem as it expands.
I'd also like to see some simple categories like Top Ten Downloaded, Most Liked, and Newest Releases... even "Latest Updates" which just shows apps that have been updated. This would be nice since some early versions have bugs. On several occasions I have passed up an app because of issues, then forget about it only to find later it was fixed pretty quickly.
There is a lack of online multiplayer apps. Local Multiplayer Emulators is mostly what I purchased the console for in the first place. And that it does almost flawlessly.
I absolutely LOVE my OUYA! I love the interface and even the controller, even with the less than perfect D-pad. I've had more fun with some of these games than I have on my 360 in a long time. And actually I've played more games for longer since I got my OUYA than all year on my PS3/360/PC (excluding MMO's)
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I'd also like to see some simple categories like Top Ten Downloaded, Most Liked, and Newest Releases... even "Latest Updates" which just shows apps that have been updated. This would be nice since some early versions have bugs. On several occasions I have passed up an app because of issues, then forget about it only to find later it was fixed pretty quickly.
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I think this is something they're working on. They actually added a "New Release" category yesterday that made me happy, although I'm not sure how they sort it because some of the new releases were not actually on there. Even then, they need less top 5 lists and more broad categories with SUB categories. I believe 1 level deep should solve a lot of the problems we're currently seeing.
Love my ouya, but have nothing to compare with, i am a pc user.
Bought it for the games and then discovered the emulators. Installed battle city and having the blast with my friend.
Also bought the hocky kickass game and got owned by my little bro :/
So ye, perfectly satisfied with myvpurchase.
And also a big thumb to all the devs, and moders to make it even awesomer
My history and experiences are a bit different but my reactions are similar to everyone else here.
I started messing around with "hacking" game consoles about 10 years ago with an Xbox 1. Pretty quickly became a serious XBMC user.
I actually was only initially interested in the Ouya as a way to get a tiny / silent dedicated XBMC box. The fact that it is a hacker-friendly box that runs Android and is sort of an indie game haven did not hurt at all.
I honestly didn't expect to use it for gaming at all, but I've been surprised to find that that's mostly what I use it for.
The whole "everything is free to try!" model changed the way I found and bought games. The fact that almost all the games are cheap as hell compared to "real" console games doesn't hurt either.
I have done several Kickstarter items in the past, and so I know that the Ouya team is smaller than they should be and has had to solve a lot of unexpected issues along the way, so I am not surprised that a bunch of unsolved issues remain. However, overall I am satisfied with all that it does. There are seriously a bunch of great Ouya games, like TowerFall, Bomb Squad, Hidden In Plain Sight, The Little Crane That Could, etc.
I have been a pretty busy guy in general lately, and so I honestly don't feel like I have the time to play some of these 80+ hour AAA titles that are around right now. In that respect the Ouya has been great. Every aspect of the commitment level from the user is significantly less than other consoles, and I like that.
As others have said, there are some things about the system that bug me, but overall, I can't be bothered with ROMs right now.
It does everything I want already, and the random cool crap you theoretically could maybe do with a ROM doesn't presently overrule my fear that I may brick my Ouya.
At this point I think my laziness also is a big thing. It works well enough as is, so I'm not sufficiently motivated to mess with it yet. Obviously, me browsing this forum means I'm thinking about it though
I am loving my ouya as well! And my roomate who has berated me about my purchase since january, calling ouya an obvious failure, conceded. After having it for 2 days, he stated he is going to pick one up for himself now that they are supposedly available retail. if you went into this thing with reasonable expectations, you will be very happy. if you heard "console" and thought "PS3.5" you are going to be disappointed, but whatever man, you were a fool so GFY.
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I love mine. It likes to fight, but I like to fight back. Getting it to function perfectly is a game itself. As far as games, I recommend You Don't Know Jack and Vendetta Online. Good games that work great; vendetta just isn't consistent with what the menus say controls are.
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I got it for retro gaming and sideload some better emulators and it works great. Can't wait for better roms tho
At this point I'm unimpressed. It feels like it needed another 6 months in development, especially the UI. The library is also very week. There are a few gems like towerfall, but the vast majority of games don't warrant more than 3 minutes of play.
I was underwhelmed at first but now I have the play store, access to my games, emulators, and another launcher running I love it.
I think I will have to purchase a usb hub and a mouse and keyboard before I am truely happy.
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I'm LOVING my Ouya!
Towerfall might be my favorite multiplayer game ever!
My OUYA is amazing. Rooted and CWM already. But still waiting for goog CM port on it)
I still feel burned over the recovery issue - they shouldn't have sold it as open the way they did if they weren't planning on actually living up to that claim....
But....
Overall I'm still extremely happy with mine. The original controllers I got were absolute trash, but they replaced them quickly when I contacted support (thankfully I got mine in late May before they ran out of replacement controllers) and the replacements are fine. The wireless has me wondering if they actually had anyone with any kind of RF experience involved in the design - wifi is horrible and the bluetooth isn't much better. Sitting just 10' from mine the controllers will freak out if I don't sit forward in my seat with a completely unobstructed path between them and the Ouya. The interface isn't great and the Discover section needs a TON of work....but that's software and I'm sure we'll see some major changes there sooner rather than later.
Due to the recovery issue I haven't done much hacking on mine other than root/busybox and a few things like Titanium. But that wasn't my main reason for wanting it - it was what put me over the edge since I figured it was a good price for a Tegra3 board to play with if Ouya tanked....but I was still hoping they'd pull it off and have some decent games. And while the game selection isn't anything to get excited about just yet...it's been getting better and better quicker and quicker and I've had no problem finding games I want to play on it. Heck I've actually bought more games on it than I did for my Wii (the last console I bought) which is mostly due to the fact that while I've bought more games for the Ouya than I did for the Wii I've spent less on games for the Ouya than I did on just one game for the Wii
The main reason I'm happy with it though is because I do believe in the dream and I do love Indie games. And even better having this thing sitting here has finally gotten me to get serious about sinking my teeth into Java and Android development. I cobbled together a few quick and dirty sample apps a few years ago before I even had an android device to run them on (ran them on the emulator and then my wife's phone since she got to upgrade a year before me) but haven't gone any further because while I may be able to sling some code I'm just not that good at making things look nice and my co-workers who are are apple guys who don't want to help me develop for Android. But they're also gamers and are interested in the Ouya so we're finally on the same page and working on some ideas. I was blown away by how easily I was able to get some simple game proof of concepts functional and so was my co-worker. It's been a dream of mine to make my own game for a console since I got my first Atari 2600. I looked into the Wii homebrew scene...but again none of my graphically gifted co-workers had a Wii and weren't interested in doing anything for it so I never got past some quick test code. To finally have a system I can make code for and a friend who's interested in joining forces to make something....it's a dream come true.
Now if I just had more time to play games on it and/or write more code for it
I love this machine! Much better when its Rooted/CWM, its great to have friends over and hookup ps3 controllers to play Smash Bros or play any EMU games, and super portable for travelling.
I'm not already hooked by my Ouya (well almost)
I think it's really a matter of youthness : I'm currently a little disapointed by the quality of the graphics on the games, and to be honest I'm not that fan of graphics
But I can't help to notice the graphics gap between Android mobile games and Ouya games whereas our little square friend pack a very capable GPU (Tegra 3)
I also miss mass player online games which is for me a nice argument for Ouya (I do have friends !)
Again I think the future will be beautifull since Ouya games currently available are essentially from indie enthousiastics who don't have necessary big fund
Finally, I don't regret my Ouya AT ALL, I'm really happy to be a baker
i find it a bit odd how people often emphasize that they use it mainly for emulating the classic consoles.
people could have saved themselves a great bit of money by just buying some no-brand Android device, and even gotten a device that was pre rooted, had official Play store, hardware recovery option 5 full size USB plugs, bluetooth and even SD slot. All for something like half the prize of the OUYA.
At this point i must say i am not to crazy about it. i feel that OUYA have really made an effort in locking down the console rather than living up to their promise of openness. Everything from the OUYA launcher being a walled garden, to no direct access to your own file system, no root access / superuser priviledges, no hardware option for recovery state and no play store access.
i really like the look and also the controller. But i also got this for a silent XBMC dedicated device. i will however wait for a linux based build before that dream come through. i was hoping that i could play and hack around with until then. But without a hardware recovery option, i will just wait for a good Linux based XBMC port instead.