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Thought I might share an article that has some World Smartphone Market Share Charts, and where that 885% increase we have seen recently came from. The article itself is a good read if anyone is interested in reading it.
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/08/03/is-android-unstoppable/
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Yup, it's unstoppable, until Google grow too big & too arrogant (like all other big corporations...)
'till then love it!
Lodger
Hey! Android is beating apple now! But apple will probably get ahead again when the iPhone 4S gets a small "revolutionary" upgrade to the front facing camera
I love Android as much as the next person, but remember the number of products that run the Android OS compared to the Apple OS. How do you think it would be if there were as many different Apple products that could run the OS as there are that run Android?
It doesn't matter how many they sell..... it's still beating it out. It might be 1 phone but is being manufactured just like all the rest in the same quanitity.
Rudreax said:
I love Android as much as the next person, but remember the number of products that run the Android OS compared to the Apple OS. How do you think it would be if there were as many different Apple products that could run the OS as there are that run Android?
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And who's fault is that? Apple's. Apple doesn't allow others to use their software and that's why they won't ever sell the most.
Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
If android only had one device they would still be where they are at
theartfullodger said:
Yup, it's unstoppable, until Google grow too big & too arrogant (like all other big corporations...)
'till then love it!
Lodger
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How could Google be any bigger short of overtaking Poland right now?
No mobile OS is unstoppable. Android may be doing extremely well right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get knocked down into oblivion. I don't think it'll happen. But that doesn't mean that this current sales boom is going to continue on forever.
thepawn said:
Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
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The cell provider is limited in the US but pretty much everyone carriers it outside. Here in Canada for example, Fido/Rogers/Telus/Bell/Virgin all carry the iPhone.
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If android only had one device they would still be where they are at
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Lol, no it wouldn't.
obstacles can kill said:
No mobile OS is unstoppable. Android may be doing extremely well right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get knocked down into oblivion. I don't think it'll happen. But that doesn't mean that this current sales boom is going to continue on forever.
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Not necessarily. Every mobile OS up to this point has been essentially a one company, one software scenario.
Android is much more flexible in terms of staying up to date with usage trends. If developers start moving in one direction, android by nature will follow that direction. iOS, winmo, blackberry attempt to monetize the OS.
What makes the open nature of android so great is that it gets small independent developers involved. Those are the real people who allow for progression in OSes.
You have knockoff phones running android 2.1. That's a great boon for android.
ExtraDas said:
How could Google be any bigger short of overtaking Poland right now?
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Sigh! Well, see at
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2010/full_list/index.html
Google doesn't even make the top 100 corporations by sales volume (yup, I know, there are many other ways of comparing corporations...)
Cheers!
Lodger
theartfullodger said:
Sigh! Well, see at
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2010/full_list/index.html
Google doesn't even make the top 100 corporations by sales volume (yup, I know, there are many other ways of comparing corporations...)
Cheers!
Lodger
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No offense to you, but i dont believe cnn money is a trustable source of information anymore, especially not after the butchering of that last survey. Cnn money is no more trustworthy in my mind as The Inquirer is.
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No offense to you, but i dont believe cnn money is a trustable source of information anymore, especially not after the butchering of that last survey. Cnn money is no more trustworthy in my mind as The Inquirer is.
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Sigh!
OK brother, yup, CNN are untrustworthy b******s but see at...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_revenue
Google doesn't even make the top 186... (which ends with Commerzbank with revenues of $40B US compared with Google's revenues of some $23.651B US see
http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
making Google less than 6% of Walmart's revenues ....
Cheers!
Lodger
PS Yup, I know, WikiP is known is some circles as WrongiPedia but come on....
PPS But, yes, Google will grow 'n grow.. which was my original point....
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Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
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The userbase started back in 2007 though I don't think Android really made a push until last year (after the first generation of Android phones)
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Not necessarily. Every mobile OS up to this point has been essentially a one company, one software scenario.
Android is much more flexible in terms of staying up to date with usage trends. If developers start moving in one direction, android by nature will follow that direction. iOS, winmo, blackberry attempt to monetize the OS.
What makes the open nature of android so great is that it gets small independent developers involved. Those are the real people who allow for progression in OSes.
You have knockoff phones running android 2.1. That's a great boon for android.
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You're right in everything that you said. But that still doesn't mean it's unstoppable. While the chance of Android losing its momentum anytime soon is extremely unlikely, it can still happen. Depending on who you ask, you can be told that Windows Mobile was "unstoppable" at a point or that Maemo was the new up and coming that was going to make an impact. And of course, a great example would be s60 which many thought was the next "number one".
I love my Android. My Nexus One is my baby, I've got a 6" Andy decal on my car, and a smaller one on my laptop. But we gotta be real here. Nothing in the mobile game is truly unstoppable. That includes Android and iOS.
of course it would
This is my own perseption or opinion but you are not likely to find very lasting long surviving Korean items including Samsung. I belive that all Korean products will start developing issues after a certain time or a few certain years and you will be either forced to discard or throw away those items or buy a new one and I have strong doubts including Samsung. They somehow stuff a termination clock, a tickling timebomb somehow somwhere in thousanrds of electronics parts and specifically clock ICs which on a certain futute date will stop functioning or start develping issues or report technical problems after a while. This will be a top secret which will diffrentiate Korean/Chinese products from Japanese ones or in other words, blind quest to copy cat west or to somehow rob west of money? Or is this a business strategy almost not discussed anywhere by any comapny, a sort of 'open' business secret like Ebay keeps it's HQ in Switzerland despite being 100% US company to circumvate taxation laws.. but how many people have been cheated and lost money on those sites? Is this the reason why so many cheates are allowed on Ebay to rob people?
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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you are paranoid
One of my friends said that a few years ago as well. Then again my old samsung sgh-e900 still works (exept its flat and i have lost the charger)
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mmbika said:
This is my own perseption or opinion but you are not likely to find very lasting long surviving Korean items including Samsung. I belive that all Korean products will start developing issues after a certain time or a few certain years and you will be either forced to discard or throw away those items or buy a new one and I have strong doubts including Samsung. They somehow stuff a termination clock, a tickling timebomb somehow somwhere in thousanrds of electronics parts and specifically clock ICs which on a certain futute date will stop functioning or start develping issues or report technical problems after a while. This will be a top secret which will diffrentiate Korean/Chinese products from Japanese ones or in other words, blind quest to copy cat west or to somehow rob west of money? Or is this a business strategy almost not discussed anywhere by any comapny, a sort of 'open' business secret like Ebay keeps it's HQ in Switzerland despite being 100% US company to circumvate taxation laws.. but how many people have been cheated and lost money on those sites? Is this the reason why so many cheates are allowed on Ebay to rob people?
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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i would probably believe this if you changed the aformentioned items from china XD hehehehehe XD because if you bought china products you're like buying from a lottery it's either hit or miss XD hahahahahahaha XD
besides the sgt I had a Samsung mp3 player once. after a year of use it did look like 5 years old. since 1,5 years I have a ipod touch and it still is in good shape, though i've thrown it down about 30 times.
once my mum told me, she had read that there are extra engineers to ensure that a product breaks after a given time.
I don't really believed it, but who knows.
Half a century ago one bought a product and it simply lasted forever. now you buy something and you can be lucky if you have it for a few years.
maybe this is also caused by the always smaller getting parts they use in the devices? could imagine they always get smaller and also easier to break.
I wouldn't point to the Koreans or the Chinese or any country for making easy breakable devices.
it are the companies that engineer and produce the devices. they are the only ones to blame for bad engineering.
btw: Mercedes for example isn't that what it once was either. nowadays it simply doesn't pay out to manufacture devices that last forever.
its sad, but its true.
mmbika said:
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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sedde said:
You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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Sent from your Samsung Galaxy Tab lol
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This really does put this thread to an end
But back on topic;
A) I forgot which forum it was, this point was about this being in development, which I now realised it isn't. Invalid point.
B) Trolololol, this has made my day. Is there any truely documented evidence proving this or is it your own experience. All tehcnology will die at some point, so technically everything is a 'ticking timebomb'
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From "The Age" of Today, 31/March/2011 (posted from website)
"Samsung laptops shipping with secret spyware: report Ben Grubb
March 31, 2011 - 2:19PM
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Samsung laptop model R525. Photo: Supplied
Samsung is reportedly installing secret spyware software on its laptops that monitors and records users' activity - including their keystrokes - without their consent.
And the company, even after being given a week to respond to the allegation, has not done so. Separately, comment is being sought from Samsung Australia by Fairfax.
However, Samsung spokesman Jason Redmond told PC World that the company was looking into the allegations. "We take these claims very, very seriously," he was reported as saying.
IT publication Network Wold reported that Mohamed Hassan, founder of NetSec Consulting Corp, a firm that specialises in information security consulting services, detected the secret software on a laptop he purchased from Samsung in February.
Security expert Chester Wisniewski, of security firm Sophos, said in a blog post that what Samsung had allegedly done was "astonishing".
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Samsung laptop model R540. Photo: Supplied
"After the massive uproar that resulted when Sony installed rootkits on peoples computers when they listened to an audio CD, you would hope the world would realise this type of behaviour is totally unacceptable," he said.
When setting up the laptop (model R525), Mr Hassan decided to run a security program on it and run a full system scan before installing any of his own software, the report said. In doing so, it said he detected a secret program called “StarLogger” installed.
Typically known as spyware, the secret software installed on Mr Hassan’s computer is described by one website as being able to record “every keystroke made on your computer on every window, even on password protected boxes”. It goes on to say that the software is “completely undetectable and starts up whenever your computer starts up”.
After analysing the laptop, Mr Hassan came to the conclusion that the spyware must have been installed by Samsung, and so he removed it and carried on using it normally, the report said. But after some issues with the video display, he returned it and bought another model which had better features (model R540).
After doing the same security software scan on that laptop, the report said Mr Hassan again found the same secret software installed. This time he thought something was suss, and so raised the issue with Samsung.
After denying the presence of the software on its laptops, Samsung allegedly changed its story and referred Mr Hassan to Microsoft since “all Samsung did was to manufacture the hardware”.
But after the incident was escalated to a supervisor, Mr Hassan claims that they told him that they put the software on their laptops to "monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used”.
Network World said it contacted three public relations officers at Samsung for comment and gave them a week to send back their comments. “No one from the company replied,” it said.
Do you know more? [email protected]
This reporter is on Twitter: @bengrubb"
Could be true, but I seriously doubt it.
Samsung say here that:
Our findings indicate that the person mentioned in the article used a security program called VIPRE [antivirus software] that mistook a folder created by Microsoft Live Application for ... key logging software, during a virus scan."
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Poorly written article though - if it was true, and this rootkit was "completely undetectable", you wouldn't have been able to detect it in the first place!
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Dave
sedde said:
You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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Proof? If it's 100% true, where's the proof???
Think about what you are saying though: if this were true, all Samsung would be doing is lowering the MTBF (mean time between failures) for their devices, which is measurable and would give them a reputation for being unreliable.
The simple facts of the matter are these:
1. Devices are getting more complex. The corollary of this is that there is more to go wrong.
2. Costs are being driven down, and this is usually at the expense of quality.
By way of example, the last CRT TV I bought was nearly 20 years ago and was an early Phillips 32" widescreen TV. It was an absolute marvel at the time, and cost almost £2000. I used that TV until around 2004, when I replaced it with an LCD TV (cost about £1000), and gave the old set away to a friend - it is still going strong to this day, whereas my LCD TV gave up the ghost a couple of years ago, and has since been replaced by a bigger, better LCD TV that cost less than £500. I fully expect that CRT set to still be going when I buy my next TV!
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Dave
If you get your keystrokes read thats your own damn fault for using the preinstalled OS. With all that bloatware on those things, I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. Or maybe it has and we haven't noticed?
on topic: The reason devices fail is because when they are designed, the engineers are given design requirements. If these include designing it for a lifespan of 2 years (a bit much for a phone), they are not going to use materials that would make it last longer, as that would be outside of specification (and probably add to the cost). However if you treat the product very carefully, it will survive longer, and if you are careless as you were with your MP3 player that looks battered up like its 5 years old, don't be surprised if it doesn't reach design requirement. It wasn't built for that.
Here's Samsung's riposte to the key logging scandal!
http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071
If this is true, it really speaks volumes about the quality of the "security consultant" who raised the alarm!
So much for "analysing the laptop"!
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Dave
so the uk release date is finally official
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Samsung has just delivered a most welcome (and concrete) bit of news for British smartphone lovers. Its next do-it-all Android superphone will be available on May 1st in the United Kingdom. The Galaxy S II will emulate its predecessor by being made available "across all major networks and retailers." The press release promises a 1.2GHz dual-core processor, which indicates we're looking at the Exynos 4210 variant of this handset. We'll try to track down availability information for the rest of Europe, but at least Brits can now stop fretting about the delay / non-delay of this marquee phone's launch.
well, it looks like this galaxy s2 gossip section will soon die out, and turn into help and development, i must say it was fun finding breaking news, or some foreign sellers guess of a price or release date, and posting it everywhere like its big news haha, but i really will miss the fun of the hunt for information with you all. now i guess its time to find a cheap seller eh? any suggestions?
here is samsungs full press release statement
SAMSUNG ANNOUNCES UK AVAILABILITY OF THE GALAXY S II
Samsung's most powerful smartphone yet set to hit UK shores on 1st May
11th April 2011, London, UK – Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., today announces that its slimmest and lightest smartphone yet, the Samsung Galaxy S II (Model: GT-I9100), will be available in UK shops on 1st May 2011. The Galaxy S II is the first handset to offer Samsung's Super AMOLED Plus screen technology, the largest, brightest and most colourful screen available in Samsung's portfolio of devices.
Super slim (8.49mm) and lightweight (116g) Samsung's Galaxy S II runs on Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) and is super-fast thanks to its dual-core 1.2GHz processor. The device's exceptionally bright screen makes it perfect for watching movies and TV or playing games and looking at apps, with its ground-breaking 'organic' LED technology, Super AMOLED Plus also saving energy so you can enjoy watching content without affecting the battery life.
The Galaxy S II is built for multi-tasking, its dual-core processor makes switching between applications and loading web pages such as Google, Yahoo and YouTube quick, whilst superior 3D hardware means games and videos can be loaded and played with ease. What's more, there's immediate access to content and services such as catch up TV and movie downloads, thanks to super-fast connectivity and WiFi, with speeds up to 21Mbps which provides increased download speeds, and Bluetooth 3.0+HS which reduces data transfer times significantly.
Simon Stanford, Managing Director, Mobile, Samsung UK and Ireland said: "From the moment it was revealed at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona there has been a huge buzz about the Galaxy S II, so we're pleased to announce that it will be available for UK customers to buy from 1st May. Our slimmest, lightest, fastest smartphone is our first device to offer of Super AMOLED Plus screen technology, alongside the most advanced technical specifications including the latest Android OS and a dual core processor. We're confident it's a great package for anyone wanting a superior smartphone experience."
The Galaxy S II also features an 8 megapixel camera with 1080p HD recording and playback, Samsung's patented AllShare technology so you can share pictures, movies, and music with other devices and Samsung's new Kies Air which lets people manage their smartphone contents from their PC via local WiFi connections.
A new 'Live Panel' feature on the Galaxy S II allows aggregation of live web, social networking and application contents to a single customisable home-screen, whilst it's possible to place all the important parts of your life onto three adjacent home screens which you can switch between simply by pressing and holding on the screen. As with all the Samsung Galaxy family, the Galaxy S II features Samsung Hubs, providing a huge range of entertainment content, advanced mobile games and the ability to manage social networking accounts.
The Samsung Galaxy S II will be available in the UK across all major networks and retailers.
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this has been mentioned in a few posts already in the last 15-20 hours. And there is even a dedicated thread for the UK announcement
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1030910
OMG, not another thread...
Mods :- Please merge the threads.
soraxd said:
so the uk release date is finally official
Samsung has just delivered a most welcome (and concrete) bit of news for British smartphone lovers. Its next do-it-all Android superphone will be available on May 1st in the United Kingdom. The Galaxy S II will emulate its predecessor by being made available "across all major networks and retailers." The press release promises a 1.2GHz dual-core processor, which indicates we're looking at the Exynos 4210 variant of this handset. We'll try to track down availability information for the rest of Europe, but at least Brits can now stop fretting about the delay / non-delay of this marquee phone's launch.
well, it looks like this galaxy s2 gossip section will soon die out, and turn into help and development, i must say it was fun finding breaking news, or some foreign sellers guess of a price or release date, and posting it everywhere like its big news haha, but i really will miss the fun of the hunt for information with you all. now i guess its time to find a cheap seller eh? any suggestions?
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Yeah the hunt was fun... The hunt for root and custom roms is next
lol ugh, thought i was the first to it.. well i dont think you need to try and have some mods kill it haha, i mean if no one replies to it itll just go down to the bottom of the list sheese..
but yeh now its the hunt for root! (think we still need to find the best priced dealer xp)
BTW, please credit Engadget for the article you ripped from them.
Samsung Galaxy S II To be available May 1st in The UK - Engadget
ya lol they would be so mad if some guy on a message board delivered the same news engadget did without crediting them. i bet the editor in chief had steam coming out of his ears when he saw the op doing this
buttes said:
ya lol they would be so mad if some guy on a message board delivered the same news engadget did without crediting them. i bet the editor in chief had steam coming out of his ears when he saw the op doing this
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A law is a law, no matter if you find it ridicule or not, it is illegal.
Wait what, what law prevents someone from posting news on a forum without linking to the source? It's not like the OP is making money doing it and I doubt he expected anyone to be a sissy about it.
I don't believe its truly about crediting Engadget, but rather to support his statement and cite the article.
woo, already a second page, and all hate! awesome, haha, xda's the only place you can gather fellow phone lovers to all come together and try and rid each other off till theres no one left, lol think its time to find a new forum..
buttes said:
Wait what, what law prevents someone from posting news on a forum without linking to the source? It's not like the OP is making money doing it and I doubt he expected anyone to be a sissy about it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement
© 2011 AOL Inc. All rights Reserved.
soraxd said:
woo, already a second page, and all hate! awesome, haha, xda's the only place you can gather fellow phone lovers to all come together and try and rid each other off till theres no one left, lol think its time to find a new forum..
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don't overreact, no one is doing this out of evil feelings I am sure
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Then in that case I don't know how adding the link would even fix anything. He still would have copied the words from the article. Same goes for any other news posted on this website.
No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
No more ASUS for me
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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When Moto X was released, there was so much emphasis on the phone being designed by Americans and made in America.
And not even a generation later, the phone is now both owned by a Chinese company and made in China.
Does American have any kind of resolve at all?
It's bothersome to Americans, as well. We'd love to see more products being produced domestically. It's just not fiscally very feasible. No amount of "resolve" can balance a bottom line that loses money.
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It's bothersome to Americans, as well. We'd love to see more products being produced domestically. It's just not fiscally very feasible. No amount of "resolve" can balance a bottom line that loses money.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXiamWdk2go
It was said that the phone made in America would cost the same if it were made in China if you count the transportation cost. Guess that must be a lie, or Lenovo prefer to give the jobs to the Chinese people.
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There's absolutely no need to change build.prop, if you have stock 4.3, you can install Xposed Installer and use GEM Xperia module with it, IT WORKS GREAT!!!
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Lol... Just lol.
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Don't worry about American jobs, they'll be plenty of them when we're building the iPhone 27s for $5 an hour for the Chinese.
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Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.
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Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.
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I wonder why the Chinese dont stand together unite as one and become Strong Union and demand to be treated like a human being.. including a salary they deserve
I'd wager a bet that most of that was marketing. Labor rates, insurance, workplace standards, benefits and the cost of shipping in materials, among many other factors, make assembling electronics in the US a very pricey affair. Even if they were still pulling a profit on the Moto Xs on a per-piece scenario, it likely wasn't enough to be scaleable to other devices, especially considering that we don't currently have many electronics manufacturing facilities in the USA.
Also, Motorola stopped manufacturing the Moto Xs in the US prior to the sale to Lenovo. If I recall correctly, only 50k units or some such number were made at the USA facility.
The ultimate problem is that Americans want it to be built here, the people building it want to be paid well, and the end user (the consumer) wants it for a very cheap price. You can't have all three of these things at the same time.
The solution? Send the work overseas so we can satisfy what matters most, the cheap price, which drives sales and ships more units.
plus, isn't lenovo a chinese company? why would they build the phone here?
i just have to make another point/inquiry. so one of the main selling points of the moto x is the moto maker, right? aren't the moto maker factories all located in the US? i know for a fact that there is one factory in Texas that isn't closing and was to move over to make the new gen X phone when the time came.
also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with.
bottom line the phones are still designed by very intelligent people regardless of their race and are pieced together by people in third world countries or whatever China now is, according to how the designers put it together.
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i just have to make another point/inquiry. so one of the main selling points of the moto x is the moto maker, right? aren't the moto maker factories all located in the US? i know for a fact that there is one factory in Texas that isn't closing and was to move over to make the new gen X phone when the time came.
also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with.
bottom line the phones are still designed by very intelligent people regardless of their race and are pieced together by people in third world countries or whatever China now is, according to how the designers put it together.
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Nice post
Let's keep this about the Moto X and not about comparing countries pros and cons.
I'm pretty sure they were just assembled in the U.S. not manufactured here, so the original point is partially invalid.
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Let's keep this about the Moto X and not about comparing countries pros and cons.
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Considering the OP was a trolling swipe at the US, i'd say we're very much on topic
Not sure if it's a proven fact but weren't the phones assembled in the US of lower build quality? So I am fine with it being made somewhere else.
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Considering the OP was a trolling swipe at the US, i'd say we're very much on topic
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This forum is about the discussion of the Moto X. There are other places to talk about this.
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This forum is about the discussion of the Moto X. There are other places to talk about this.
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perfectly appropriate discussion for this forum. Pros and Cons of Moto X being assembled/manf. in the USA is relevant both to the forum and the general subforum.
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plus, isn't lenovo a chinese company? why would they build the phone here?
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When the original Moto X launched, Motorola was still owned by Google. They then sold it to Lenovo, but I'm not even sure that was all completely finalized yet.
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perfectly appropriate discussion for this forum. Pros and Cons of Moto X being assembled/manf. in the USA is relevant both to the forum and the general subforum.
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'Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.'
'also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with. '
You can defend your phone all you want, but let's keep it about the phone and how and where it's made. Not about the relationships the countries have or what else they make.