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Xoom or gslate?

Ok im deciding between the xoom and the gslate. xoom supposed to be out in the next 2 weeks, gslate by the end of march. they're similar in specs. But should I sacrifice the bigger screen (10.1 inch) on the xoom for a "possible" smaller (8.9 inch) 3d screen on the gslate. Gslate is definitely capable of recording 3d though. I have tmobile as my carrier also but I don't mind signing a contract with verizon either since tmobile doesn't have 3g in my area yet (I guess they haven't have time to update our network cuz they're busy bull sh*tting about their 4g network). So which one do you think is better?
Ps: I've also heard that if the gslate has 3d screen, it'd require a pair of 3d glasses. I have no 3d tv either.
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I prefer the Xoom, since I think all these 3D are a gimmick.

Mokurex said:
I prefer the Xoom, since I think all these 3D are a gimmick.
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This^^^^^^

im leaning toward the G Slate for myself. Im on TMo and I prefer a smaller joint. I almost bout a galaxy tab then these showcased at the CES. I would prefer a smaller galaxy tab like screen for mobile purposes. If i want a 9-10 inch joint id buy a laptop or netbook. But, they will still get my money...lol

I am leaning towards the G-Slate for 2 reasons.
1) I am already a very happy T-Mobile customer and not a big fan of Verizon.
2) 3D. I already have a 3DTV and I enjoy it very much, I disagree with it being just a gimmick.

Buck Shot said:
im leaning toward the G Slate for myself. Im on TMo and I prefer a smaller joint. I almost bout a galaxy tab then these showcased at the CES. I would prefer a smaller galaxy tab like screen for mobile purposes. If i want a 9-10 inch joint id buy a laptop or netbook. But, they will still get my money...lol
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Maybe I'm crazy but I still think of LG as the cheap, low-end consumer appliance manufaturer. They made a microwave I had years ago.
And, I dunno, as such I'm skeptical about build quality. But I'd rather something on TMO or something without a contract.
The Xoom looks awesome but I dont think I want Verizon hiding behind every MB looking to charge me more money.
Yeah, I'm kind of a pessimist.

I'm leaning towards a Wi-Fi version of the Xoom. If they don't do a W-Fi version, then I'll get a ViewSonic G-Tab and flash Honeycomb onto it.

I kinda wanted the G-Slate, since it definitely seems to look more appealing than the Xoom.. but I don't know about the 8.9'' screen size. If it was at least the iPad's 9.7'' size.. I don't think I want to get any smaller than that. And then I hear that the Xoom's screen quality isn't even up to par with the entirely irrelevant to this discussion BB Playbook.
I don't know what to want ._.

Buck Shot said:
im leaning toward the G Slate for myself. Im on TMo and I prefer a smaller joint. I almost bout a galaxy tab then these showcased at the CES. I would prefer a smaller galaxy tab like screen for mobile purposes. If i want a 9-10 inch joint id buy a laptop or netbook. But, they will still get my money...lol
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Well I'm kinda bored with the Windows OS. In fact, I hardly use it at all anymore ever since I got my N1. But I prefer the 10.1 inch on a tablet though, but 8.9 really doesn't make much of a difference to me either.
To other commenters: LG isn't a cheap manufacturer man.....they're the second biggest electronics manufacturer behind samsung in Korea. And No, I'm definitely not getting a Playbook since I've never owned a Blackberry phones to sync it with.
Where did you hear about the screen on the Xoom?

Originally Posted by Mokurex
I prefer the Xoom, since I think all these 3D are a gimmick.
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+1!
Get the Xoom, assuming the price isn't outrageous. Until proven otherwise I don't believe that the 3D screen won't degrade the visual quality on the LG unit.
Here's a limited shootout based on what is currently known:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/107...dia-tegra-2-nvidia-tegra-2-3d-processor-i.htm

LG=GE. You remember GE right? Their logo is only stamped over almost every light bulb in America.

Remember this?
@tdcrooks if you want to do custom roms, then buy elsewhere, we'll continue with our strategy that is working thanks.
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This alone will probably keep me away from Motorola for a very long time.
The G-Slate looks very appealing to me, with or without the 3D experience.
Although I'd rather buy HTC, which will undoubtedly come later in the year.

I whould love honeycomb on 7" with nvidias tegra2... that whould be cool
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Get the xoom, it's essentially the nexus tablet.

Yea me too. A nice dual core, 7 inch honeycomb. I feel that's a good pocketable size.
I was going to by the Samsung tab. But then news of these came down the wire. In the end, decided I would wait.
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Well early leak says xoom could be out at the price of $699 unconfirmed, I hope it's the unsubsidized price though. Gslate has not yet been priced. LG is a good brand cuz I had this messaging phone before the n1, LG neon, anybody knows of it? It was a great messaging phone. Thanks for link too.
But I also don't think that the xoom is the nexus tablet either. It'll definitely be locked down. If xoom is the nexus tablet because it has no customization on it, then so is the gslate.
But hopefully lol both of them are going to be low price unsubsidized.
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wang1404 said:
Well early leak says xoom could be out at the price of $699 unconfirmed, I hope it's the unsubsidized price though. Gslate has not yet been priced. LG is a good brand cuz I had this messaging phone before the n1, LG neon, anybody knows of it? It was a great messaging phone. Thanks for link too.
But I also don't think that the xoom is the nexus tablet either. It'll definitely be locked down. If xoom is the nexus tablet because it has no customization on it, then so is the gslate.
But hopefully lol both of them are going to be low price unsubsidized.
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No, the Xoom is definitely the "Nexus Tablet". Not because it is pure Honeycomb, but because it is Google's lead Honeycomb tablet device. Just like the Nexus, apps will be developed on the Xoom, it will be shown in all those major app release videos like the Nexus One/S, and Google will use it to demo any tablet developments they make.
Although I'm about to contradict myself, the only reason I wouldn't believe it is the Nexus tablet is because it is tied to a carrier. And even has the Verizon branding on it. The Nexus One and Nexus S were simply buy it if you want to, it wasn't tied to anyone, and had no other branding but the manufacturer and Google.
In this situation, I believe it was "Google asked Motorola to make a tablet", not "Motorola made their own Honeycomb tablet cause they felt like it". I'm really assuming that Google will handle all the updates for the Xoom, and they used Verizon cause they needed to put the device out on a major network with amazing advertising power.

Eclair~ said:
No, the Xoom is definitely the "Nexus Tablet". Not because it is pure Honeycomb, but because it is Google's lead Honeycomb tablet device. Just like the Nexus, apps will be developed on the Xoom, it will be shown in all those major app release videos like the Nexus One/S, and Google will use it to demo any tablet developments they make.
Although I'm about to contradict myself, the only reason I wouldn't believe it is the Nexus tablet is because it is tied to a carrier. And even has the Verizon branding on it. The Nexus One and Nexus S were simply buy it if you want to, it wasn't tied to anyone, and had no other branding but the manufacturer and Google.
In this situation, I believe it was "Google asked Motorola to make a tablet", not "Motorola made their own Honeycomb tablet cause they felt like it". I'm really assuming that Google will handle all the updates for the Xoom, and they used Verizon cause they needed to put the device out on a major network with amazing advertising power.
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It had to be google who asked for motorola to make it. you've just convinced me the xoom is the nexus tablet because I remember at d dive into mobile, andy rubin brought the xoom with him. +1 to you.
It just pulls a trigger to me that google was using samsung galaxy s to be the nexus s because they didn't have 3.0 and the xoom ready yet. So they just did a quick search and found that sgs is the most powerful phone back then yet. But that didn't please everybody of course.
Like you said google need a powerful network to rely on, so verizon is clearly the winner. Let me add to that though. Google doesn't play favorite. They've already released their babies on at&t and tmobile except for verizon and sprint. Plus motorola has had a very good relationship with verizon thanks to the droid brand.
I think im gonna go with the xoom. But I'll keep waiting and weigh both of them some more when more official informations are out. But verizon and motorola better keep the promise to upgrade the chip to lte 4g. Motorola just ditched the cliq xt if that proves what I said.
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Price Price Price.
Until I know if the Wifi only versions will even exist and at what price point no point thinking about it.
If it wasnt for Notion Inks hideous giantbezel design theyd be a no brainer because of the sky high price points being thrown around.

So, Google's buying Motorola.

What do you guys think? Can't post any links yet, but it's on engadget.

yep,i saw the news..
unbelievable!
but i really like looking forward for the cooperation of this two giant!
and i believe a new day has come!

For Android and it's partners it can only be good news, anything that strengthens the ecosystem will be welcomed.

i think nobody saw that coming... most expensive patents ever!

So my guess is the Nexus Prime will be manufactured by non other than Motorola

richerob said:
So my guess is the Nexus Prime will be manufactured by non other than Motorola
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I'm hoping they make several different Nexus-esque phones. Some would be the high end models that we would all drool over, then they could also make some vanilla phones that are mid or low end. Imagine having several different top of the line Nexus phones to choose from.. it makes me drool.

Google to buy Motorola Mobility for $12.5B
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What do you guys think? Can't post any links yet, but it's on engadget.
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it's also here Google to buy Motorola Mobility for $12.5B http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20092362-94/google-to-buy-motorola-mobility-for-$12.5b/
Seems like the next NEXUS phone is going to be a Motorola Nexus
that might actually be a good thing for Motorola owners, which had horrible to no support for software upgrades with each phone they buy
you are lucky to get a new firmware if ever, in the past.
So after Google taking over, i can see a lot more frequent upgrades for all future handsets, and unlocked bootloader
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Technically, they're buying the Mobile arm of Motorola, Not Motorola per se. Motorola Mobility.

Technically, there is no Motorola "per se."
Motorola split into two independent companies several years ago, Motorola Solutions and Motorola Mobility.

I guess my next phone will be a Motorola nexus. I think its actually great news. Will miss the Samsung exclusive super amoled screen, but Motorola makes some awesome hardware. Maybe now we can be rid of motoblur, get some codecs integrated, etc. I wonder how long it will take for them to design and release a new phone? I'd be surprised if they get anything out by Xmas time.
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Well they need an icecream sandwich phone which is ment to be out by the end of the year.
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I cannot believe it...wow wow wow

I dont think the next Nexus will be a Moto Nexus - it takes time to build a new phone. Maybe the next one after N3.
I hope HTC/Samsung/LG dont feel overlooked and everything in the Android ecosystems stays in balance. I don't like the idea of competition between manufactors and GoogMoto.

Excellent! Hopefully Google will axe MotoBlur (or whatever they call it these days) and we can start seeing motorola hardware with stock android.

If the next nexus is by moto, I'll be skipping that iteration. Moto hasn't made a decent handset since the v710 or e815. Poor Google.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-wont-have-exclusive-nexus-devices-andy-rubin-says
Good, Motorola won't be the exclusive Nexus producer.

Segnaro said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-wont-have-exclusive-nexus-devices-andy-rubin-says
Good, Motorola won't be the exclusive Nexus producer.
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Thank you. Phew!
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i think this is a good thing. first, it gives google some patent strength which they need to keep doing what they are doing with android. they did say that nothing will really change, as far as, motorola mobility is not going to become 'part' of google but will be a separate business and will license android just like everyone else, just owned by google.
but yes of course it lends an intimacy which will in turn strengthen moto handsets and hopefully push all hardware manufacturers to have to keep in step. and yes hopefully that means more stock android devices all around! i dont htink it would be in anyones best interest if goog shows favoritism to moto though, so hopefully they will not. in the end, whatever is good for android will be good for all of us

Lets not get ahead of ourselves... I'm sure a transaction of this size will require regulatory approval from the U.S. and EU... and you can BET that the anti-Android crowd will try to intervene, a la Sprint w.r.t. the T-mobile acquisition.
I'm confident it'll go through, but it's not a done deal yet.

uansari1 said:
Lets not get ahead of ourselves... I'm sure a transaction of this size will require regulatory approval from the U.S. and EU... and you can BET that the anti-Android crowd will try to intervene, a la Sprint w.r.t. the T-mobile acquisition.
I'm confident it'll go through, but it's not a done deal yet.
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It's pretty much a done deal. Not one reason it wouldn't go through
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What you guys always wanted

Too bad its not from sprint
http://tinyurl.com/d7t5qzc
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Looks like the og galaxy s as a slider. I don't know for sure but that looks like a 4 inch screen, and for me that's too small. Even my photons screen feels small at 4.3 inches.
Oh how I miss my physical keyboard on my epic
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It's funny that the Epic is a 700 model number and that is 699.
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It's funny that the Epic is a 700 model number and that is 699.
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Nice catch
And I wouldn't mind an epic with a 720p display
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heres another one. a moto sprint slider.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-working-ics-slider-sprint?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter

austin420 said:
heres another one. a moto sprint slider.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-working-ics-slider-sprint?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
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Assuming this is a qHD screen as the article suggests, how does that stack up against the newest Samsung screens.
Thanks to the Epic, I have grown to HATE Samsung. They have shown their true colors when it comes to software updates and I want out. The Epic development community is truly awesome, but it is a shame that we have to rely on non-paid people to make this phone what it should be. That said, I find Samsung hardware to be very nice.

i dont think i could ever get a moto phone. they are the most locked down of the three major android oems. i will prolly always buy samsung just because of the completely unlocked bootloaders and because they have a utility like odin.

@austin
That phone is pretty sexy though imo. To bad it's motorola, but it's probably the photon Q.
To OP the button on the bottom seems tacky to me, I love our lit up one. And the keyboard is so spacy, ;/
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Thanks to the Epic, I have grown to HATE Samsung. They have shown their true colors when it comes to software updates and I want out.
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I disagree with you there.
I will freely admit that the delay on FroYo was terrible and ridiculous, when FroYo was rolling out the SGSII still wasn't released, and they had already promised it to us. But Gingerbread was a courtesy. They had a new generation of smartphone running around and they only anted up due to demand. And the whole complying with what Sprint wanted. I blame them. Sprint that is. So I don't think you can rag on Samsung for that one.
And if the Epic Touch 4G is any indicator, it looks like there is one dude working on these builds. They're slow. Fact. But frankly, as long as the end user knows it's being worked on, they should be happy. Especially with the speed they already have. He's doing his best I'm sure. Poor little Samsung man.
PLUS. More room for developers to step in and make the ****ty software they're stuck with better. Case and point: Epic 4G. And without the delays I wouldn't know what I know.

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Assuming this is a qHD screen as the article suggests, how does that stack up against the newest Samsung screens.
Thanks to the Epic, I have grown to HATE Samsung. They have shown their true colors when it comes to software updates and I want out. The Epic development community is truly awesome, but it is a shame that we have to rely on non-paid people to make this phone what it should be. That said, I find Samsung hardware to be very nice.
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Samsung Equals Better Updates not this phone but in General
HTC equals updates daily and all of which are ****tier and annoying I rather wait for an update and be successful again not this phone but Samsung in General.
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If it's a slider, I would consider it if the rest of the hardware is up to par once it's released (and Sprint LTE is out & delivers). Motos are very locked down, have non-removable batteries, have worse screen res and are easy to brick during root/flash process if it goes wrong. Definitely prefer Samsung here, but with no sliders on the horizon this phone warrants some consideration. On the plus side, Moto phone batteries tend to have more up-front Mah, radios are generally better and somehow the fastboot files always seem to leak and devs are able to make root stick. Moto is also very slow to update its phones but wife's Droid 2, released later than Epic got its GB update 3 months before we did and also had good dev support in forms of CM9 and AOKP.

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i dont think i could ever get a moto phone. they are the most locked down of the three major android oems. i will prolly always buy samsung just because of the completely unlocked bootloaders and because they have a utility like odin.
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I agree motorola is very locked down, in the photon forums people who underwent the official motorola soak update test they got permanently locked in a new way. I am unlocked fortunately and there is a good dev community so I am happy with my photon. I hope it is an improved qHD display because mine is definitely not on par with the epic's screen. I really hope they put the S4 processor in it because that would be nice. This is probably the rumored photon q, q most likely standing for qwerty. Also makes alot of sense why the epic just went EOL. We also have a very similar utility like odin its called sbf.
When my upgrade comes in december I am all over this.
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But Gingerbread was a courtesy. They had a new generation of smartphone running around and they only anted up due to demand.
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Why??? The hardware could handle it, and the phone wasn't EOL. Getting software updates on phones that aren't EOL should be a no brainer. I shouldn't have to upgrade my hardware just to get new software, UNLESS the hardware can't handle the new software. These aren't FREE phones. We pay quite a bit of money for these phones. Getting some major software releases should be part of the deal.
I think the EOL thing is semantics anyway TBH. The software always lists the minimum requirements in order to run it adequately on hardware, if the hardware can support it, these manufacturers need to be supporting their customers AFTER the sale, and not just for 6 months after the sale.
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And if the Epic Touch 4G is any indicator, it looks like there is one dude working on these builds. They're slow. Fact. But frankly, as long as the end user knows it's being worked on, they should be happy.
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This is not my problem. I should not be two levels of software behind, because they are greedy and don't want to hire the correct number of people to maintain their hardware. Why should I be happy with wayyyyyyyyyyyy subpar customer service??? It is sad what society considers "acceptable" from companies these days (customer service out of India is the first thing that comes to mind).
I am not looking for new versions of software the day that Google releases them, but if they can run on our hardware, I expect them in relatively short order.
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I have been burned by Samsung TWO OUT OF TWO times now. Once on our Epic, and the other on my Galaxy Tab 10.1 which is STILL running Honeycomb. My complaints about Samsung stem further than just our phone.

The only reason why the Epic wasn't on the EOL list, was because it was the only high-end qwerty phone. Since Moto is making a high-end qwerty phone with ICs for sprint the Epic can r.i.p.
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Psh no they still keep this phone
It'll still be the best QWERTY slider for a while
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Let's keep the new phone discussions in the new phone thread.
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Should I sell my galaxy nexus and get the nexus 4? If yes, how?

Hi guys,
I've been pondering over this. Maybe I could even consider the galaxy s3. What do you think?
The nexus 4 or the galaxy s3 or just stick with the galaxy nexus.
I live in singapore. So getting the nexus 4 is a little difficult. I could use eBay to find local sellers or from the US/UK/AUS.
I can also use sites that give me a us address to purchase. However, the play store has none in stock..
What do you recommend I do? Thanks.
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shockem said:
Hi guys,
I've been pondering over this. Maybe I could even consider the galaxy s3. What do you think?
The nexus 4 or the galaxy s3 or just stick with the galaxy nexus.
I live in singapore. So getting the nexus 4 is a little difficult. I could use eBay to find local sellers or from the US/UK/AUS.
I can also use sites that give me a us address to purchase. However, the play store has none in stock..
What do you recommend I do? Thanks.
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I would stick with the Gnex. If I would have to choose between the N4 or the GSIII, I would choose the N4, simply because I wouldn't buy anything other than a Nexus device or something similar. And the price/performance ratio is just better.
But if I had the Gnex, I would stick with it. Sure, the N4 is better. Almost every new phone is better than the previous one. I would always skip one generation though. I had the Nexus S, and now I have the Nexus 4. If you skip one generation, you really feel change. Not saying that you won't feel change if you come from a Gnex though.
It's a personal preference and we can't really help you with that. The only legit reason to get a N4 (versus getting another phone) that I can think of is the price. But the cheapest is to just use your Gnex for another year.

Well since you can't order one I would say stick with the gal nex. Only if your leaving a ****ty place like sprint for T-Mobile and your old phone won't work. I don't think the nexus 4 is that great it doesn't feel as fast as I expected. Also I hate the nexus 4 screen.
But on T-Mobile I get really fast data and my bill is 100 bucks less a month.
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+1 on staying with the Gnex, especially since getting your hands on a N4 would be a pain. I wouldn't bother getting an S3 either; you might as well wait a bit and pick up the S4 when it comes out...
Are you unhappy with your Gnex for some reason, or just thinking about an upgrade?

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+1 on staying with the Gnex, especially since getting your hands on a N4 would be a pain. I wouldn't bother getting an S3 either; you might as well wait a bit and pick up the S4 when it comes out...
Are you unhappy with your Gnex for some reason, or just thinking about an upgrade?
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+1 on this, right now I think everyone should stick with whatever phone they have and be ready for a 2013 android phones invasion. There will be so many great choices, just a little more patience.
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+1 on this, right now I think everyone should stick with whatever phone they have and be ready for a 2013 android phones invasion. There will be so many great choices, just a little more patience.
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But yet they will probably release with the older Android version JellyBean 4.1.X. Which is always like that because last CES released 4.0.X when 4.1.X was already out.
I disagree, Nexus devices will always be on the top of the chain in terms of ROM and kernel development and the best stock experience possible. No carrier restrictions, no bloatware, not receiving updates 5-7 months later. Not to mention this phone will be one of the first devices to receive Android 5.0.X. Galaxy Nexus remained relevant all of last year regardless of all phones being released. Once a Nexus, always a Nexus.

It all depends on your budget.
Paid a total of $370ish with tax for my N4, but was able to sell my GN for $300 shortly after. So for 70 bucks it was worth it for me.
The upgrade is undoubtedly worth it though, the speed increase and over all performance is a world's better on the N4 compared to my old GN.
Good luck!

There's no other phone than Nexus:good:

i love my gnex. so much so that im having trouble rationalizing why i need to get a n4.

simms22 said:
i love my gnex. so much so that im having trouble rationalizing why i need to get a n4.
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Because morfic made a Trinity kernel thread on the N4 forums just today even though there was a thread on his site, so therefore you must buy one to contribute to his XDA thread duh

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Because morfic made a Trinity kernel thread on the N4 forums just today even though there was a thread on his site, so therefore you must buy one to contribute to his XDA thread duh
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lol, just minutes ago i told him the same. someone needs to take care of the noobs

You could try Kijiji or Crsigslist to sell or trade the phone

Thanks for the replies guys. I will let you know of the decision soon. If i can get my hands on one easily through ebay then i will go for it. If not i will stick.

I had a Gnex before my N4.
Get the N4.

Try Swappa. I got tired of waiting for my shipping confirmation from my order on Nov 13th, so I canceled it, and on Dec 2nd, I bought a BNIB 16GB off Swappa for $410. I paid $15 more and got mine in 3 days. I've never owned a GNex though so I can't comment on it. But I can tell you, this is the best device I have ever owned, and I will own nothing but Nexus from here on out.
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It's not much of an upgrade IMO. I'd wait for the next phone, but that's just me. It's not like you will run a different OS or anything. Cameras are good on both, good specs on both, good displays, and you'll have to rebuy accessories.
It's your call though

mobileboost said:
It's not much of an upgrade IMO. I'd wait for the next phone, but that's just me. It's not like you will run a different OS or anything. Cameras are good on both, good specs on both, good displays, and you'll have to rebuy accessories.
It's your call though
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mobileboost said:
It's not much of an upgrade IMO. I'd wait for the next phone, but that's just me. It's not like you will run a different OS or anything. Cameras are good on both, good specs on both, good displays, and you'll have to rebuy accessories.
It's your call though
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Camera on GN is actually not that good.

zephiK said:
Camera on GN is actually not that good.
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now you know that ill say that youre wrong, all shot from a galaxy nexus..
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Simms your pictures always make the gnexus look so good. Since the beginning even the nexus s.
I have arranged with a local seller to get my nexus 4 tomorrow for SGD$650 which I believe is a reasonable price for the 16GB version.
Anything I should look out for?
Once again, I am very thankful for all your help and suggestions
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I LOVE my Moto X. But...

It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.

Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.

ultravisitor said:
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.

They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.

It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.

The problem with today's consumers..

gunnyman said:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;

That's what the nexus phones are for

scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.

mrbradeli said:
I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol

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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.

KiNG OMaR said:
If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.

I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.

I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.

Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.

I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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