Official Update (2013.11.06) - Galaxy S 4 Mini General

Today received a new Software Update for GT-I9195.
Android 4.2.2
Update details:
Size: 143.44 MB
Improved Stability
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Caution:
During instalation, you cannot use your device at all, even for emergency calls. Icons at the home screen and device settings may revert to default and may need to be reconfigured after installation. After installation your data will be preserved, but if you stop the installation incorrectly by removing the battery, your device might not work normally. To avoid unexpected data loss, we recommend that you back up important data before installation. If this installation fails, you can easily update your device via Samsung Kies (www.samsung.com).
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Build number: JDQ39.I9195XXUBMJ7
As I understand this is for Region: Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom

Well I let it a try and want to share my experience.
The update took 13 minutes from applying the update untill the full bootup. And drained 3% of a battery from 80% to 77%. All apps and icons on the home screen remained untouched.

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Thanks for the details. Let us know if anything is improved
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As read in another thread now you have the Knox warranty flag/counter.
You can see that when you bring your phone in download/odin mode.
And as I understood now you can't flash back older firmware, or root and flash custom roms without loosing your warranty (warranty void).
Look at this thread!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47149413
Now we've got serious problems.

I live in the UK and have a factory unlocked samsung i9195 and have not received this update ether through kies or over the air
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I was hoping that this will be the 4.3 update
Waiting to install will see if there is anything interesting in this one.

bnight said:
I was hoping that this will be the 4.3 update
Waiting to install will see if there is anything interesting in this one.
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I didn't think s4 mini was getting 4.3 this year. (I got an s4m for my wife)
My S4 is locked up with Knox now, I had to make the decision, stock/stable/official or root - stock isn't so bad.
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is this update on kies or over the air? my i9195 is factory unlocked and from England? or do i have to flash with odin?
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ryanphoneguz said:
is this update on kies or over the air? my i9195 is factory unlocked and from England? or do i have to flash with odin?
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No, no Odin. This is the official one, OTA or Kies.

oh cool thanks. iv not received any new update yet ether on kies or ota, I'm from England and have factory unlocked i9195 it's BTU guess my phone doesn't want the update. If anyone knows how I can get the update please let me know thank you
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nniicckkss said:
I didn't think s4 mini was getting 4.3 this year. (I got an s4m for my wife)
My S4 is locked up with Knox now, I had to make the decision, stock/stable/official or root - stock isn't so bad.
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It`s offically annonced that S4 mini will get 4.3 till the end of November and this is sure as Samsung anonce that Gear will support S4 Mini which mean 4.3 for us in the end of November.
As for the Rom I love the stock one and don`t need root as there is wifi tethering so I don`t need to play hacker just to have network on my laptop when traveling.

bnight said:
It`s offically annonced that S4 mini will get 4.3 till the end of November and this is sure as Samsung anonce that Gear will support S4 Mini which mean 4.3 for us in the end of November.
As for the Rom I love the stock one and don`t need root as there is wifi tethering so I don`t need to play hacker just to have network on my laptop when traveling.
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That's good news, I hadn't realised.
Cheers.
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nope just can't get the update even after factory resetting my phone dam
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bnight said:
It`s offically annonced that S4 mini will get 4.3 till the end of November and this is sure as Samsung anonce that Gear will support S4 Mini which mean 4.3 for us in the end of November.
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Do you have a source by chance? I know about the 4.3 and Galaxy Gear compatibility but don't remember reading anything about timing.

CafeKampuchia said:
Do you have a source by chance? I know about the 4.3 and Galaxy Gear compatibility but don't remember reading anything about timing.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57608863-94/samsung-galaxy-gear-to-support-galaxy-s4-s3-and-more/
I think this will cover it.
A spokesperson for Samsung UK told CNET that Android 4.3 Jelly Bean "will be available across a range of Galaxy devices from mid-November, subject to software testing and approvals by individual networks."

Installing now and see how it goes. The only thing I pray for is the basterds fixed the battery drain bug. I doubt it, but we will see...
Someone mentioned no rooting possible from this version on? Should there be a workaround this, because I am pessimistic they fixed the issue?
For now, everything is in place and the update was non-problematic. We will see how the battery usage goes...

where are you based cos I just can't get this update, my software version is BTU which I thought was uk un brand
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no rooting possible? And what if my phone is already rooted with older firmware? Do i looose root? And does the update even work?(I recieved one over kies since ota is broken due rooting)

ryanphoneguz said:
where are you based cos I just can't get this update, my software version is BTU which I thought was uk un brand
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Bulgaria, but my phone is from France. I updated it via Kies.

Related

GT-N7105 Multi-Window OTA Update

Notification just showed an OTA update was available (36MB), I downloaded and ran the update. Presto! Multi-Window is now officially functional for the GT-N7105 (LTE Version). Hope you guys get your update soon!
anywhere i can download it except OTA? my device has CWM in it so cant OTA.....:crying:
emprize said:
anywhere i can download it except OTA? my device has CWM in it so cant OTA.....:crying:
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The update just got released today so i don't think the file will be available so soon. I haven't rooted cos my stock rom is not available yet, otherwise i would have shared it.
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I also got the update notifications. I got root and is using Perseus kernel. I hope I can still got root after update.
Ive had my n7105 or over a week and it came out of the box with multi window
Phone came from sgbest based in singapore
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N7105ZHALJ4 should be on sammobile.com shortly
Pyr0x64 said:
N7105ZHALJ4 should be on sammobile.com shortly
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http://www.hotfile.com/dl/178207624/2f24b5c/N7105ZHALJ4_N7105ZZHALJ4_TGY.zip.html
Framedtrash said:
Ive had my n7105 or over a week and it came out of the box with multi window
Phone came from sgbest based in singapore
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Guess Samsung was a bit slow with HK release...
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Framedtrash said:
Ive had my n7105 or over a week and it came out of the box with multi window
Phone came from sgbest based in singapore
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I have got multi-window right from day one I am on XXALIJ
olisun39 said:
I have got multi-window right from day one I am on XXALIJ
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are you sure you have N7105?
I also had multi window on ALIJ, but had no edit button until i updated to ALJ3
I had multi window sice I got it on Monday last week. There was an OTA update when I first turned it on. Mine came from T-mobile UK.
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yingwai said:
http://www.hotfile.com/dl/178207624/2f24b5c/N7105ZHALJ4_N7105ZZHALJ4_TGY.zip.html
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Great! I can now root and unroot if needed!
Btw can anyone confirm if they have flashed this rom and its Ok?
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cosinav said:
Great! I can now root and unroot if needed!
Btw can anyone confirm if they have flashed this rom and its Ok?
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just flashed with mobile odin pro, perfectly ok and with root from everroot
but seems my counter still is 1 and status as custom when check with triangle away
Jamal Ahmed said:
are you sure you have N7105?
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Errr.. I wouldn't pay £499 for a N7100....
I have N7105ZHALJ4 where is my multiscreen?
Does the Build Number say anything about where the phone came from?
I bought mine from Mobicity.co.nz who ship from Hong Kong so assume the phone was also built/set for there.
Does this mean I have to wait for Samsung to bring the update for the N7105 to HK or as I am now using it in New Zealand, on a NZ Vodafone network do I need to wait for some sort of NZ update
Think I've attached an image of all settings if this can assist in answering my questions.
Thanks heaps, and hey Bloody good phone purchase from you all.
Craig W said:
Does the Build Number say anything about where the phone came from?
I bought mine from Mobicity.co.nz who ship from Hong Kong so assume the phone was also built/set for there.
Does this mean I have to wait for Samsung to bring the update for the N7105 to HK or as I am now using it in New Zealand, on a NZ Vodafone network do I need to wait for some sort of NZ update
Think I've attached an image of all settings if this can assist in answering my questions.
Thanks heaps, and hey Bloody good phone purchase from you all.
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You have the Hong Kong version. The build shown is what i had before the update. Just run the update in the phone settings menu and the ota update should show. If it doesn't just connect your phone to kies on your computer and the update can be done there. You don't need to wait for Nz update as your phones firmware is not for that region.
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No update for me UK n705... and I had multi window on my phone since release date. No updates at all
Pyr0x64 said:
I also had multi window on ALIJ, but had no edit button until i updated to ALJ3
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I'm on T-Mob UK with firmware ALIG but I haven't seen any updates?
I've been flashing non T-Mob UK roms and just changing/replacing the csc files
Takes a bit longer with the factory reset after selecting the EVR csc, but I like to play and I'm a bit of a flashoholic anyway lol

4.1.2 Jellybean seeding to Note2 now

I read on the internet that the Jellybean 4.1.2 update has started seeding. If you have already got the update please share your feedbacks and reviews about the new update. I havent got the update yet. So, it seems that the update hasnt started seeding in India.
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It has been seeding to Polish devices at the moment.
I'm on a German Unlocked DBT device and still nothing as of 15 minutes ago when I checked . haha.
it was only released in Poland.. all other countries and their carriers are on pending status.
And remember if you have a carrier branded device then you could be waiting even longer.
That's not true . 4.1.2 released in Poland is carrier branded.
Sweden, Hungary, South Africa are now available at Sam mobile
owl74 said:
Sweden, Hungary, South Africa are now available at Sam mobile
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w8thing for n7100 unbranded version
It says it's for Germany. I have a dbt Germán note 2. No update here.
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Edit: My mistake, its for the N7105!
Can anyone pls kindly point me to the new features in 4.1.2? Heard a lot of stuff about 4.2 but not 4.1.2.
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You guys are powered by a Google system... Learn to use it!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/11/galaxy-note-ii-gt-n7100-getting-android-4-1-2-update/
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Thanks. Looking forward to delete some notification toggles, the rest don seem to be too useful for me
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Is it possible to update a rooted device? Or I have to unroot, update and then root again?
Shadowjump said:
Is it possible to update a rooted device? Or I have to unroot, update and then root again?
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Download full rom and use mobile odin to update and maintain root
watsa said:
Download full rom and use mobile odin to update and maintain root
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Do you loose your data ?
Where to dl rom from ?
Laynee1 said:
Do you loose your data ?
Where to dl rom from ?
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No.
www.sammobile.com
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It's a good news.
Dear friend
I don't want to be rude but the answers to the questions you're asking are all over the place; how about reading the main Polish 4.1.2 thread
XDA App through my GNote 2... What else...
Any sign of this ota in uk yet? Cant be arsed with odin. Not that desperate for it.
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Still no updates for n7100 :'(
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Yupp no update yet, here in India as well.

EE push I9505XXUAME2 before stock!?

Hello
I see on Sam Mobile that EE have released I9505XXUAME2.
I have the stock rom and it isnt available!
So you are telling me an operator have a more up to date version than a stock rom????
oxfordmark said:
Hello
I see on Sam Mobile that EE have released I9505XXUAME2.
I have the stock rom and it isnt available!
So you are telling me an operator have a more up to date version than a stock rom????
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Probably, happened a lot with the s3, didn't to start with when it first came out though.
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skibadee said:
Probably, happened a lot with the s3, didn't to start with when it came out though.
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What is the best stock to have for latest updates?
I just downloaded Netherlands, is that ok to flash and have fastest updates?
oxfordmark said:
What is the best stock to have for latest updates?
I just downloaded Netherlands, is that ok to flash and have fastest updates?
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Looks like H3G did a quicker push also .. damn I unbranded my mobile to get quicker updates ... not flashing 3 software back though unless someone tells me M2 is faster and better than DM
mancuk29 said:
Looks like H3G did a quicker push also .. damn I unbranded my mobile to get quicker updates ... not flashing 3 software back though unless someone tells me M2 is faster and better than DM
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Did you go for BTU?
I always find Netherlands update wayyyyyy faster than UK.
Mine has just updated to I9505XXUAME2 on tmobile uk.
Lost root...booooooo
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oxfordmark said:
What is the best stock to have for latest updates?
I just downloaded Netherlands, is that ok to flash and have fastest updates?
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Not sure which is best for updates. I unbranded mine from 3, but with all the root issues I'm staying stock btu until the new root methods are well established and tested. The updates will come to sim free phones soon enough.
AFAIK Netherlands or any others are fine to flash, I prefer to keep to btu myself.
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skibadee said:
Not sure which is best for updates. I unbranded mine from 3, but with all the root issues I'm staying stock btu until the new root methods are well established and tested. The updates will come to sim free phones soon enough.
AFAIK Netherlands or any others are fine to flash, I prefer to keep to btu myself.
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You'd of thought BTU would get it VERY soon then!
oxfordmark said:
You'd of thought BTU would get it VERY soon then!
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Should be, maybe later today but could be anytime over the next week. If I remember the jellybean update from ics was about a week later than carriers were sending their's out.
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skibadee said:
Should be, maybe later today but could be anytime over the next week. If I remember the jellybean update from ics was about a week later than carriers were sending their's out.
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How stupid, i always thought it was the other way round.
oxfordmark said:
How stupid, i always thought it was the other way round.
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Yep used to be. I heard that the carriers may have a deal with Samsung these days to get theirs first, maybe to encourage contract buying?
I guess the success of the Galaxy S range of phones has made carriers see that IPhones aren't the smartphone everyone wants now. Money is most likely the reason
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So is it worth going back to EE's software??
geeez - why you need ota /stock - in most cases sammobile is way ahead BEFORE carier update 0 just download / root / modify the way you want ...
best ota is here http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-I9505
damador said:
geeez - why you need ota /stock - in most cases sammobile is way ahead BEFORE carier update 0 just download / root / modify the way you want ...
best ota is here http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-I9505
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Hello
But Sam Mobile do not have a BTU update. So in this case the carrier is way ahead of Sam Mobile
oxfordmark said:
Hello
But Sam Mobile do not have a BTU update. So in this case the carrier is way ahead of Sam Mobile
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What is a BTU update? Very noobish but cant seem to find the answer
BTU is unlocked and unbranded uk
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skanj said:
BTU is unlocked and unbranded uk
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And is exactly same as other open europe rom version. I have installed open belgium and its unbranded. For s 4 9505/9500 almost all roms are unbranded even most carrier specific roms.
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I am back on EEs firmware
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Did I have to update?

Hi everyone
I need to know for last time
should I have to update to kitkat
Or still on 4.3 which better
And if I will update
Which one is better
Poland
Or
Germany
Or
France
And what's the things will not work
I heard the sd card will have a problem
And
S view cover will not work
Is that's true ?
I wanna to know
And I wanna your advice ?
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romano_ezzat said:
Hi everyone
I need to know for last time
should I have to update to kitkat
Or still on 4.3 which better
And if I will update
Which one is better
Poland
Or
Germany
Or
France
And what's the things will not work
I heard the sd card will have a problem
And
S view cover will not work
Is that's true ?
I wanna to know
And I wanna your advice ?
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For me all works. For the S-View Cover if you got problems theres a XPOSED MODULE that fixes.
If you want to flash to kitkat flash to the latest one - https://mega.co.nz/#!9ExjAR5a!JlqiFGnMqN1iYQylM7-3bhvupKtkZ9fnLLwLwTC8rD0 (thanks @ValenteL )
What about battery state?
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romano_ezzat said:
Hi everyone
I need to know for last time
should I have to update to kitkat
Or still on 4.3 which better
And if I will update
Which one is better
Poland
Or
Germany
Or
France
And what's the things will not work
I heard the sd card will have a problem
And
S view cover will not work
Is that's true ?
I wanna to know
And I wanna your advice ?
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Best is poland, from what I have read and some ppl said.
But I couldn't find latest poland nb4 as what most ppl said.
So I flashed the nb7 germany but it requires pit file to be flashed together.
Or perhaps u could try nb7 uk.
My sview cover is working just fine with nb7 germany. No issue. And fyi, I m not using any original scover ciz too ex for me.
Sd card problem I found so far only on dolphin apps, where by it detects as "external sd" only, instead of "storage/external sd". Therefore if u want to download something, it will still be only able to save to internal sd.
Btw, battery much more better than 4.3.
I m quite satisfy with it, based on my same usage.
And it really did stay very well in deep sleep.
I discharged, and nver use it for 4 hours, it dropped to 98% only. Something I never see before.
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NB7 Germany contains the fix for the 3rd party accessories. (It is the second 4.4.2 update for DBT).
Keep in mind that 4.3 has a very, very annoying issue with Android leeching battery. I never had issues before updating to 4.4.2. Factory reset helped a bit, but not much. Ever so often Media Server prevents deep sleep.
The SD Card doesn't have problems, the lazy app developers have a problem. Google updated security policies (remember how people are always whining about security? This is the result. Blame them.) and now the devs have to alter one tiny permission in their apps and it works. But a lot of them can't be bothered.
If you are happy on 4.3, don't update.
I think to stay on 4.3 and wait for another update
Mybe 4.4.3 ?
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romano_ezzat said:
I think to stay on 4.3 and wait for another update
Mybe 4.4.3 ?
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You either update to 4.4.2, or don't update.
4.4.3 would be too long away. Once Google releases 4.4.3, it would take months for Samsung to update, if they feel like it.
Really I'm worry If I update my phone to 4.4.2
Be sorrowful for leaving 4.3 ?
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romano_ezzat said:
Really I'm worry If I update my phone to 4.4.2
Be sorrowful for leaving 4.3 ?
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Just an info... D-2 use 4.4.2 NB7-DBT germany... So far so good. Better than my 4.3 MJ7.
So Germany rom is better than polan at all
Ok
Here what I want
Update or not
Any support plz ?
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romano_ezzat said:
So Germany rom is better than polan at all
Ok
Here what I want
Update or not
Any support plz ?
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Update it. You won't regret it
It's fast, responsive, and bugs are ironed out.

Update

Has anyone in the UK managed to download this new update I tried manual update from settings but says maximum roll out exceeded so it says try kies but when I connect my phone nothing comes up about any updates.
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mimo2008 said:
Has anyone in the UK managed to download this new update I tried manual update from settings but says maximum roll out exceeded so it says try kies but when I connect my phone nothing comes up about any updates.
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What update? Can you be a bit more specific? Nothing showing for the UK for some time on sammobile.
I don't know what update it is just when I click on update on my phone says maximum number succeeded please try later or on kies but there have been few other people on here in the UK say the same thing
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Hey
Its said this for a few days now, i think they are having an issue.
Oh ok have tried kies but nothing showing on that oh also sent you a message but I think you have answered it now. Thx bud
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Not installing kies lol I'll wait. Same message here. Anyone know what the update is?
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The easiest thing to do would be to list your current firmware. Then we can tell you if its the latest or if you are a behind. I think NB8 is the latest stock BTU UK firmware.
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Hey
Its said this for a few days now, i think they are having an issue.
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Yeah. Lots of people reporting the same thing unfortunately.
I already have the latest version just that when you click on device and update it tells you maximum number of updates rolled out but like other people say there must be a problem with Samsung server.
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Can you now pull the update from sammobile and install with odin yourself?
Got it now, only 16mb was wanting to know what it does? Never mind installing now.
Still 4.4.2 and is now I9505XXUFNB9
Yeah I just got it as well nothing major just a stability software update.
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I just seen NB9 released too, what a load of rubbish. Other countries are rolling out much newer firmware and we get a minor patch made back in February,,,
The latest German firmware NF1 had a June date.
Good old uk always second to last.
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If it makes you feel any better I've tried loads of stock and custom firmware on my UK btu handset and have always come back to fnb8 UK stock as it's the most stable to date. So the fact that other counties have "more up to date" firmware versions is really not important because they bring no extra features and just add problems. E.g. nge5 and ngf1 (the latest firmwares) have random reboots meaning that I can't even walk down the street listening to music because halfway through a song it will cut out and reboot.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. I'd say stick with fnb8 until they release a firmware with new features (maybe when Android L is released).
Hi guy's, does the 16mbt patch fix anything??? Otherwise I agree that fnb8 is pretty good for me, any feedback? Thanks
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knightz01 said:
Hi guy's, does the 16mbt patch fix anything??? Otherwise I agree that fnb8 is pretty good for me, any feedback? Thanks
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dont update, been a bit bugy for me and im not wiping although i think it would help, running out of storage space lol,
sometimes phone just pauses like its crashed

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