Leak shows Android KitKat Will Solve Android Update Issue - Atrix 4G General

Just found on Neowin. Android 4.4 may help developers hugely to run Android on older handsets! We already heard Google will release Tegra2 Chipset's code at 4.4 launch. These report also indicate that. Finally, we may see fully working Android 4.4 for our beloved Atrix? :laugh:
Many people are excited about the upcoming Android Kit Kat update, but according to a recent leak, this new version may actually be
a major step forward both in terms of usability and capabilities for Google’s OS.
Amir Efrati, who has broken Google and Android news before, has apparently taken a look at some official inside documents concerning Android 4.4 KitKat. According to him this might be a radical update to Google’s platform not just an iterative one.
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Among the many new features and improvements that it’s supposed to bring, KitKat will supposedly finally deal with the fragmentation issue that has plagued the Android ecosystem ever since the OS first launched. This will come both in terms of support for the update and in integrated solutions that unify separate approaches from different OEMs. For example instead of Samsung, HTC, Moto and Sony each offering their own way to interact with an IR blaster, KitKat now brings an integrated solution that works on all handsets.
According to Efrati, KitKat has also been engineered to work on older and lower-end devices in a bid to bring them up to speed with newer and more powerful handsets. Memory management has also been improved, now allowing much more fluidity and responsiveness even in devices with only 512 MB RAM.
Speaking of those, KitKat also seems to be focused around new lower-end devices with many improvements designed to make Google and its OEMs more competitive in this field. After all, while the high-end markets seem saturated, developing markets are a huge and valuable battlefield for OEMs looking to sell more devices.
Other improvements are focused around Bluetooth and the addition of new sensors: geomagnetic rotation vector, step detection and step counters. These are definitely geared towards wearables, whether they’re Google Glass or upcoming smartwatches from OEMs or even completely new products that haven’t been announced yet. Whatever the case, Android is definitely gearing towards a wearable computing future.
Finally developers will supposedly be able to create applications that use “full-screen mode” which completely hides the navigation bar and lets the app shine from edge to edge. And alongside all these changes there may be some significant battery gains thanks to improvements in the KitKat update which should make many users quite happy.
Hopefully we won’t have to wait too long until Google decides to unveil KitKat to the world, and here’s hoping this info is accurate and the update does end up being a major one.
Source: JessicaLessin.com via: Engadget | Image via Google
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Sources for Tegra2 devices would be great. Where did you read that?
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Isn't tegra nvidia property? How could Google give out source code for something they do not own?
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Nvidia released source code for tegra, with android 3.0 on Xoom
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Tegra 2 source code isn't already released?

Feche said:
Tegra 2 source code isn't already released?
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Sorry then! I then might see Kitkat will include support for Tegra & Exynos SoC's support by default. The main purpose of the new kernel is to get hardware acceleration. Without HWA, we had pretty stable ROM. If Kitkat defaulty supports our Atrix's HWA, then Atrix may finally see fully working kernel! We need epinter on board to test things!

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Sorry then! I then might see Kitkat will include support for Tegra & Exynos SoC's support by default. The main purpose of the new kernel is to get hardware acceleration. Without HWA, we had pretty stable ROM. If Kitkat defaulty supports our Atrix's HWA, then Atrix may finally see fully working kernel! We need epinter on board to test things!
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Thats a good sign....like how windows/linux by default supports most of the hardware drivers....if thats true then we can jus flash android 4.4 without much hassle...Yes i have read it some where can be easily ported to old devices..but no source is strong enough to blindly believe ..lets wait and see...

Interesting but we will still need a compliant kernel...

draxx31 said:
Interesting but we will still need a compliant kernel...
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krystian said the 3.1.10 kernel should work, but if needed it'll be updated to 3.4
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Live chat from motorola support... :crying:
Sevgul: Hello Vlad,
vlad teodor: i heard that android kit kat will support older phones
Sevgul: Thank yoy for contacting Motorola
vlad teodor: i want to know if my phones will support kit kat and when
Sevgul: Have you got an Atrix?
vlad teodor: my phones are Motorola Atrix 4G and Motorola Pro+
Sevgul: that's nice
Sevgul: I am afraid your models will remain as they are
Sevgul: will not receive the Kit Kat
Sevgul: Sorry about that
vlad teodor: but kit kat support older phones
vlad teodor: and 512mb of RAM
Sevgul: Sorry Vlad
Sevgul: You can follow us on http://www.motorola.com for the future news and the updates
vlad teodor: are you sure about this? this is the final statement?
Sevgul: yas I am
Sevgul: yes
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pss214 said:
Live chat from motorola support... :crying:
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Surprised?

Obviously this is more about current and more likely future devices rather than revamping devices that have been EOL'd long ago. Even if the OS will run on the device, someone still has to do the work of porting it, which isn't easy when the last fully working official release for the device had drivers and settings obscured in closed source binaries.

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Google Doesn't Acknolwedge SE X10 as Android

Take a look at this matrix of Android powered devices offered around the world that Google lists for comparison reasons. Sony Ericsson isn't even on the list of manufacturers! Goes to show you what others think of our Xperia X10...
http://www.google.com/phone/#manufacturer=all&category=withgoogle&carrier=all&country=all&reset_filters=1
I know. Saw it earlier today.
Well, since SE sux, it's not actually surprising
OK then its true
some one told me that SE had a "deal problem" with google because, as he told me that SE should pay to google so that SE can use the android OS on their phones. And that problem was the cause of "Eclair" delay and now every thing settled so they officially announced the maintenance shop about the release date of the "Eclair". Actually the sales as i mentioned before in SE shops in different countries received "Eclair" training, so that means it was out and running on the phones. Connecting every thing together i can believe that guy in what he told me.
saeam said:
some one told me that SE had a "deal problem" with google because, as he told me that SE should pay to google so that SE can use the android OS on their phones. And that problem was the cause of "Eclair" delay and now every thing settled so they officially announced the maintenance shop about the release date of the "Eclair". Actually the sales as i mentioned before in SE shops in different countries received "Eclair" training, so that means it was out and running on the phones. Connecting every thing together i can believe that guy in what he told me.
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Since you connected the dots, would that mean that google will add X10 to the list? I feel like X10 was running WM and then hacked to have Android thats why GOOGle doesn't recognize it.
As I posted in another thread:
They are only listing Google Experience phones on that site. Here is a quote from the Engadget blog:
Only, it's not just any devices running the platform: according to the Official Google Mobile blog, "all the phones in the gallery include Android Market, Google Search, and other Google Mobile services such as Gmail, Maps, and YouTube." In other words, no phones that meddle with the Android Vision by opting for Bing or Yahoo instead.
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It's probably because they overtake the gallery and music apps on their devices. The Samsung Fascinate isn't listed there either.
Nimche said:
Since you connected the dots, would that mean that google will add X10 to the list? I feel like X10 was running WM and then hacked to have Android thats why GOOGle doesn't recognize it.
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LOOOOOOOL its not about adding X10, its about adding SE as android manufacturer. And maybe SE is not listed due to what that man said
Also i can see many brands not listed, even from HTC, aslo different manufactureres also not listed, so i dont know if it is money issues and deals "something like OEM", or just they dont update this list "I dont know".
Does it really matter... until we know the criteria for choosing those phones... we can't really comment on it. And even once we do, does it make the X10 any less awesome?
Sure nooooo i love this phone and SE and i will not change it
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Hmm, actually I think they've just begun to fill this website and a lot of phones are still missing (HTC Desire for example), earlier this morning there were no LG phones and no Motorola phones either.
Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
i'm hoping se are getting rid of the google crap from the phone. it'll probably make our phones faster. google are starting to piss me off more than microsoft.
i also think we'll see a bing search widget in the next update.
As for the update being ready, you are wrong unfortunately. The following website lists all sony firmware that is certified and ready for distribution, but 2.2 doesn't appear on the list
http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/complete_request.cfm?tab=Certified
iead1 said:
Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
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Everyone, please move to room B202 for lecture about android. Professor ....
pally777 said:
Take a look at this matrix of Android powered devices offered around the world that Google lists for comparison reasons. Sony Ericsson isn't even on the list of manufacturers! Goes to show you what others think of our Xperia X10...
http://www.google.com/phone/#manufacturer=all&category=withgoogle&carrier=all&country=all&reset_filters=1
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Sorry but this is not a list of Android powered phones. That's the list of "Google Phones".
lornova said:
Sorry but this is not a list of Android powered phones. That's the list of "Google Phones".
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Google is not a phone manufacturer. Yet!
iead1 said:
Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
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This guy is right. Android is like Linux, its free to use the software on a phone.
Anyone remember when Apple sued HTC because of multitouch, but multitouch is an Android kernel. Apple couldn't sue google because android is nonprofit.
Actually android is built on top of linux kernel, linux kernel is free distribution but android is ownership of google and they can sell it same as many of other "not free linux distribution" and profissional system admins will understand what am telling. So please guys watch ur talk. maybe if some one read google's android license "i didnt" and knows exactly if companies should pay to google or no can tell us the right information
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SE android phones Sucks
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Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
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They still need to pay for the Google services.
Also that list isnt exhaustive till know, so i wouldnt interpret too much into that
Guys...do you know what do those phones have in common??? They all have Google Logos on the back to the battery covers!! and most of them are US market phones except the Milestone.
You need to click through some options they are listed
Your search for With Google phones made by sony-ericsson in all countries and available on any operator did not match any result.
Suggestions:
* Change the filter options.
* Try browsing all phones in the Google Phone Gallery.
the link to ALL PHONES shows the X10 range down at the bottom
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Official Honeycomb 3.0 from Smartbook.de

hi,
i'm owner of the smartbook surfer 360 MN10U, same as advent vega (but has 3G / GPS).
on the homepage of smartbook.de they are advertising this tablet NOW availaible with android honeycomb 3.0
i' ll write them when first upgrades are possible....
hope this post is in right section - otherwise please remove in the right one...
rodnheli
They advertise is it for a week now, but there is unfortunately no download at the support site. I hope that is not only a VegaComb port. ;-)
I would say there is a very high chance that any Vega clone that officially has 3.0 will now have a VegaComb based rom.
Lennyuk said:
I would say there is a very high chance that any Vega clone that officially has 3.0 will now have a VegaComb based rom.
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I cant imagine they would get away with this in EU, China is different. There is no way that they will release a update that brakes flash either, it would cause havoc for the customer services.
The only way is if the company was about to got bust they might do it to sell a few more units before going out of buisness.
Saying all that i wouldn't be all that shocked if it did turn out that its vegacomb based.
DiamondGar said:
I cant imagine they would get away with this in EU, China is different. There is no way that they will release a update that brakes flash either, it would cause havoc for the customer services.
The only way is if the company was about to got bust they might do it to sell a few more units before going out of buisness.
Saying all that i wouldn't be all that shocked if it did turn out that its vegacomb based.
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lets just say (without expressing details) that certain vega clone companies have enquired about permission to use the rom
And when one thought it couldn't get funnier, it does...
I hope that the ones involved in the ROM's birth will be offered a slice of the pie and acknowledged greatly.
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Lennyuk said:
lets just say (without expressing details) that certain vega clone companies have enquired about permission to use the rom
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Hmmm...
Don't know if this is a good thing or not...
I hope that these 'certain vega clone companies' have access to previously unavailable sources and are willing to share these with our VegaComb heroes!
In other words:
I hope they can (and will) really contribute to the development of the VegaComb ROMs!
But nevertheless it's great they 'enquired about permission to use the ROM' instead of just stealing it...
Has any company been so devious as to steal a whole ROM???
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Logseman said:
Has any company been so devious as to steal a whole ROM???
Enviado desde mi R800i
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yes a Chinese company selling a vega clone has stole the whole of VegaComb in its beta form.
However its hard to argue its steeling as there are no propriety files (that I am aware of), it would have still been nice of them to ask Newbe5 though.
Lennyuk said:
yes a Chinese company selling a vega clone has stole the whole of VegaComb in its beta form.
However its hard to argue its steeling as there are no propriety files (that I am aware of), it would have still been nice of them to ask Newbe5 though.
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Using a BETA ROM is a bit stupid of them isn't it? Customers buying that Clone Tablet could have potentials problems which that company won't be able to address.
Do you think that some semiunderground chinese company bother about customer's problems? You guys in Europe live in not material world They want your money - they get it - and in same second they get your money, they don't think about you anymore.
I'll still waiting for this ROM at least until google'll open source of android 3.0 and some wise guys make a brand new custon ROM for us all
ive been pestering smartbook for a while because they have allways advertised it as being honeycomb upgradable
they told me their update would be coming out in may so maby they have finally released it
Yesterday I wrote to viewsonic support about honeycomb update for viewpad 10s and they tell me that there is no google license for 1024*600 displays and noone can update advent vega or similar tablets to honeycomb and this is no more than rumors and lie.
docck said:
Yesterday I wrote to viewsonic support about honeycomb update for viewpad 10s and they tell me that there is no google license for 1024*600 displays and noone can update advent vega or similar tablets to honeycomb and this is no more than rumors and lie.
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Isn't the Acer A100 1024x600 and Honeycomb?
Si
simonf7 said:
Isn't the Acer A100 1024x600 and Honeycomb?
Si
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very true?
their is alot of roumours about what google will and will not take. the one about no updates from 2.2 sounds the most odd
i think we need to get someone with a smart book or someone who can speek german to ring up
Google have made it quite clear that they are not limiting their OS to any hardware types, or stopping it from being put on certain spec devices. Android remains an open source project.
Honeycomb has not hit AOSP because google do not want idiot clone companies attempting to put the tablet OS onto phones and giving android a bad name.
They are in the process of building and nearing completion on their next OS (Ice Cream Sandwich) which is believed to act like Honeycomb when in landscape, i.e. tablets but act like a phone when in portrait. Once this OS is out it will hit AOSP then ALL devices can choose to use it if they wish.
As for GAPPS (Google Apps) that remains under licence from Google so they can control who gets it, but its pretty much comes down to cost rather than Google deciding a particular piece of kit is not good enough.
Lennyuk said:
Google have made it quite clear that they are not limiting their OS to any hardware types, or stopping it from being put on certain spec devices. Android remains an open source project.
Honeycomb has not hit AOSP because google do not want idiot clone companies attempting to put the tablet OS onto phones and giving android a bad name.
They are in the process of building and nearing completion on their next OS (Ice Cream Sandwich) which is believed to act like Honeycomb when in landscape, i.e. tablets but act like a phone when in portrait. Once this OS is out it will hit AOSP then ALL devices can choose to use it if they wish.
As for GAPPS (Google Apps) that remains under licence from Google so they can control who gets it, but its pretty much comes down to cost rather than Google deciding a particular piece of kit is not good enough.
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All devices meaning Phones, Tablets, AND Google TV's!!
yeah will be good to see it on tv, i would actually think of buying one coz its crap atm
Hi,
wrote to the Support and this is what they send me as reply:
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Its wrote in german what they say is:
they release Android 3.0 at 01.07.2010 and because Honeycomb does change so much they have to test alot!
I've one of these chinese clones using beta 1.4
They didn't even bother to re-brand the rom
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[ANDROID] APQ8x60 Gingerbread Souce code

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...31uj_LrKU8OG0/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true
This started me thinking. Qualcomm wants and needs to be able to sell their processors and they are not blind to the fact that Android appears to be the OS of choice on Smart phones and tablets. So I did some looking around and I found out that there actually is one other device using the Qualcomm APQ8060. This device is not a consumer device--it is a special board designed for OEMs who want to use APQ8x60 series processors in their design. This device is called a DragonBoard and believe it or not Qualcomm has complete Android 2.3.3 (Gingerbread) source available for this device !!
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In addition, the DragonBoard and Touchpad share many components. The following chipsets/devices appear to be either compatible or identical on both the DragonBoard and Touchpad:
Main processor
Adreno video core
Power management ICs (PM8058, PM8901)
Sound chipset (Wolfson Microelectronics 8000 series)
WiFi and bluetooth chipsets (Both devices have Qualcomm/Atheros chipsets)
USB I/O chipset
This is HUGE news. This means that in theory, the driver support for the devices listed above should work out of the box using this reference build. It also:
Answers the question “Where did the Android build found on the Touchpad come from” ?
Gives us a full source GINGERBREAD reference build as a starting point. This could easily shave MONTHS off the time required to create a stable build.
build.prop from build 1
complete build folder here
Update: I am now working on a new custom kernel for the touchpad called KRYPTONITE. Check out the details HERE and HERE
I have pulled the latest GINGERBREAD source from the Aurora git hub and have built a very preliminary Android image, including:
Application boot-loader
flashed with the command:
fastboot flash aboot emmc_appsboot.mbn
Kernel
flashed with the command:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
System
flashed with the command:
fastboot flash system system.img.ext
Userdata
flashed with the command:
fastboot flash userdata userdata.img.ext
Persist(used for WIFI)
flashed with the command
fastboot flash persist persist.img.ext4
At this point I am simply waiting for my Touchpad to arrive, so I can test this.
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got this in an e-mail check out the link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...31uj_LrKU8OG0/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true
jul644 said:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...31uj_LrKU8OG0/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true
got this in an e-mail check out the link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...31uj_LrKU8OG0/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true
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Well done mate We are all behind you, it things like this that makes XDA great
JD
wow... keeping an eye on this~!
thanks~!
So with this image that you built will it work for dual boot. Or in this instance is it one or the other. I know there are a few teams working on dual boot. This seems very promising missing all the apps android has to offer. When do you get your touchpad??
While the Touchpad may be the first consumer device with the APQ8060, that doesn't mean that the APQ8060 isn't very similar to some other devices on the market. All of the Qualcomm 8000 series chips are very similar. Other devices currently on the market that have these chips include the HTC EVO 3D and HTC Sensation. The biggest difference between the chips in the EVO and Sensation are the inclusion of cell phone radios (GSM & CDMA). Most of the rest is identical including the graphics chip and (probably) the sound and WiFi chips.
Some of the developer teams have already succeeded in booting Android on the Touchpad. At this point, the hardest part is going to be getting a kernel that fully functions with Android. Any device that is publicly released with a Linux kernel must be released with publicly available source code. webOS, just like Android, uses a Linux kernel and thus the source code is readily available. It's mostly a matter of making an Android compatible kernel. We should already have working drivers for video, sound, WiFi, and Bluetooth - just a matter of hooking them all up correctly. I think the biggest hurdle now is getting the touchscreen driver hacked together to work with Android.
I've been trying to get a Touchpad into the hands of toastcfh. toastcfh is the CyanogenMod maintainer for the EVO 3D. He already has extensive experience with the Qualcomm 8000 series hardware. Given how far other developers have gotten, I almost consider Android on the Touchpad to be a foregone conclusion - it's only a matter of when, not if. toastcfh should be getting a Touchpad from a donor in another week or 2.
Pretty sure you can get a build built from Qualcomm's source here. http://www.villainrom.co.uk/Touchpad/rom/
That's a Rom, not source code. In the long run you want source code so that you can update it and make it better.
Dees_Troy said:
That's a Rom, not source code. In the long run you want source code so that you can update it and make it better.
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Hence why I said it was a build built from source...
Nburnes said:
Hence why I said it was a build built from source...
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Ok, maybe I'm being unusually thick, but do you meant that you built this from source?
which android you refer to ? aurora got few android
jul644 said:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...31uj_LrKU8OG0/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true
got this in an e-mail check out the link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...31uj_LrKU8OG0/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true
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lane32x said:
Ok, maybe I'm being unusually thick, but do you meant that you built this from source?
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Nope. </10char>
lane32x said:
Ok, maybe I'm being unusually thick, but do you meant that you built this from source?
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I built that from source in order to test 2.3.5 out. Obviously nothing works on it, including touchscreen...
Dees_Troy said:
I've been trying to get a Touchpad into the hands of toastcfh. toastcfh is the CyanogenMod maintainer for the EVO 3D. He already has extensive experience with the Qualcomm 8000 series hardware. Given how far other developers have gotten, I almost consider Android on the Touchpad to be a foregone conclusion - it's only a matter of when, not if. toastcfh should be getting a Touchpad from a donor in another week or 2.
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A donor as in someone to send him one to dev on and then he'll send it back after he works his magic? I'd love to have the first TP with Android on it! I got my 32gb TouchPad on Saturday. Contact me, as I'd be more than willing to send it to toast now and speed up the process for everyone by that week or two.
rugedraw said:
A donor as in someone to send him one to dev on and then he'll send it back after he works his magic? I'd love to have the first TP with Android on it! I got my 32gb TouchPad on Saturday. Contact me, as I'd be more than willing to send it to toast now and speed up the process for everyone by that week or two.
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Rootzwiki.com bought Toastcfh an touchpad a few days ago., fyi.
(don't go shipping off your tablet for no reason, lol..)
mazook98 said:
Rootzwiki.com bought Toastcfh an touchpad a few days ago., fyi.
(don't go shipping off your tablet for no reason, lol..)
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Oh, yea? As a keeper? It's good to be toast, huh? lol Good news! Well, I sent Dees_Troy a PM in case he didn't come back to this thread. If he already has one in his hands, then he'll let me know.
rugedraw said:
Oh, yea? As a keeper? It's good to be toast, huh? lol Good news! Well, I sent Dees_Troy a PM in case he didn't come back to this thread. If he already has one in his hands, then he'll let me know.
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He'll surely have it tomorrow, if he doesn't already.
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I wish XDA was the site responsible for getting him one, but props to them for thinking of it first.
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He'll surely have it tomorrow, if he doesn't already.
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via Twitter, Sept. 1st.
I wish XDA was the site responsible for getting him one, but props to them for thinking of it first.
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XDA don't do **** Its the XDA public that put up their hard earned cash for such matters
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ANT+ support on SIII with 4.3 turn out to be a big fat lie.

Another Samsung fail.
Every news outlet I saw (including SAMMobile) was reporting, all trough past last 2-3 weeks, that 4.3 is confirmed for S3 and listed ANT+ as one of the coming features.
Well it was a lie. Its not there (and will never be).
Samsung really has to get their PR/communications team together. When Note3 was released, they forgot to mention anywhere (spec sheet, news, reviews, stage intros) that it had ANT+ support. That was one end of the stick.
Now they jump to the other end by reporting that it will come to S3 with the 4.3 update, which turns out to be completely false.
Here is the SAMMobile report for example: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/04...olling-out-for-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gt-i9300/
Extract:
Android 4.3 Jelly Bean update now rolling out for Samsung Galaxy S III (GT-I9300)
CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS IN ANDROID 4.3 UPDATE
- GALAXY GEAR Support
- TRIM Support (Makes the device much faster)
- ANT+ Support
- Core UI elements updated to the ones on the Galaxy S4 (Galaxy S4′s theme all over)
- New Samsung Keyboard
- GPU drivers have been updated (Higher GPU benchmark scores)
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Edit: Please read post No.10 before you comment!. Also SAMMobile has today corrected their report, see post No.12
come on, not post about every bug, the rom is not complete yet.
dkionline said:
come on, not post about every bug, the rom is not complete yet.
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The rom is complete if it ain't why did sam samsung release
dkionline said:
come on, not post about every bug, the rom is not complete yet.
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Please don't go into an argument about something you obviously don't understand. If you just cant hold back, then at least do some research.
Its not a bug. Its a missing feature. There is a big difference.
It is not something they can fix. It is something that will never be available (as in technological limitation in the hardware). Ergo its misinformation, plain and simple.
Edit: But they don't care. They keep reporting the same old BS today again: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/13/android-4-3-update-arrives-on-the-galaxy-s-iii-in-the-uk/
I just hate copy/paste news.
Not for every function must need an app. Screen mirroring is involved in this.
I think the point is just because it did not come out with the first release of the firmware does not mean it will not be supported in the future. When they get past 4.3 and never had any support for it, then you can say they are liars.
wangdaning said:
I think the point is just because it did not come out with the first release of the firmware does not mean it will not be supported in the future. When they get past 4.3 and never had any support for it, then you can say they are liars.
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OK, which part of HARDWARE LIMITATIONS don't you understand?
Excuse me for saying this, but why do you guys insist on trying to enter an argument, that you have no (obvious) idea about. You want to look smart? You only end up looking a fool. Don't you think.
I am not saying don't comment, but please do a little background fact checking before do. Are ask question first, not make stupid statements.
Let me spell it out for you 'S3 WILL NEVER SUPPORT ANT+', no matter what firmware you put on it. Hence the news report is false or as I put it "IS A LIE".
look on wiki ^^
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oalex said:
Let me spell it out for you 'S3 WILL NEVER SUPPORT ANT+', no matter what firmware you put on it. Hence the news report is false or as I put it "IS A LIE".
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You put "turned out to be a big fat lie" which implies you previously believe it to be true. When did this hardware limitation come in, what info did you learn and where did you learn it?
You don't mention anything in the OP about the hardware limitation, which if you have info on this would be the most important info related to your thread topic IMO.
Not trying to argue, but the thread is a little confusing. If you have the info it would be great for you to share. The only things that come up on google are questions about it and the press releases you are saying lie.
wangdaning said:
You put "turned out to be a big fat lie" which implies you previously believe it to be true. When did this hardware limitation come in, what info did you learn and where did you learn it?
You don't mention anything in the OP about the hardware limitation, which if you have info on this would be the most important info related to your thread topic IMO.
Not trying to argue, but the thread is a little confusing. If you have the info it would be great for you to share. The only things that come up on google are questions about it and the press releases you are saying lie.
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I am sorry. You are right about the "turned out part". To be perfectly honest, i did wish it to be true, however I knew it wasn't going to be. Practically wished the impossible.
I slightly wished that if all these news portals (especially SAMMobile, which has very close ties and inside sources with Samsung), they might know something that I don't.
About the limitation. You are right to ask for sources, but let me try to explain first as there is so much misconception about ANT+, as you can see, that its not so easy to explain. Not trying to hide links, just that (As you will find) the publicly available information is very very scarce, when you search for anything ANT+ hardware stuff.
Most people haven't even heard of the technology, hence all (I repeat) all the reviews you can find about Note3, ignored to mention this as a feature. They didn't forget IR, which is less useful in my opinion. Even Samsung itself, failed to mention it in any of there publications prior to the release of the phone. Owners only learnt about the support from finding ANT service updating on their phone when they turned it on.
Anyway back to why S3 wont support it... I will try not to be very technical.
ANT+ uses the same Bluetooth antenna that is available in the S3 (as with the S4 and Note3 where it actually is available) or most other current smartphone for that matter. However the antenna and software support are not enough for ANT to work.
Let me put it this way. If you have a b/g wifi router. It will not suddenly start to support wifi-n just because you rewrite the firmware and change the antenna. Or a better example might be a 10 year old Nokia (no matter what software you put on it) will not start to support Bluetooth 3.0, just because is had 1.0 on it.
The hardware limitation I talk of is in the SoC (Note: not the CPU). It needs to have ANT connectivity radio frequency IC with embedded ANT protocol stacks in the SoC.
Qualcomm is part of the ANT+ alliance, however not all their SoC have this feature 'onboard'. IT depends on which variant of snapdragon it is. I believe in their case it's called Qualcomm Atheros Bluetooth (yes its called Bluetooth, even tough its where the ANT+ is supported). Its not even about how new the the phone is. Many Sony Xperia phone from 2011 had the right snapdragon chips that supported ANT+ (Sony Xperia Active is a good example).
Now to give a good example of why I am not posting link. Look at the below wiki of snapdragon chips. Go to the bottom for example (snapdragon 800 or 600). It is a fact that these have ANT+ support, yet you don't see it mentioned anywhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
Why yo ask? Well one of the main reasons is that players like Garmin (who are probably the main benefactors and driving force behind ANT+ Alliance), have no interest in making it as main stream technology as it should be by now.
They don't casue if it was then no one would by their $500 sports computers and watches. As the public would realize that they could do all those function (sports tracking) and do it better and even do much more, with a much cheaper smartphone.
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Hurray, Someone is listening. SAMMobile has corrected the info in their latest relevant news: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/13...gets-android-4-3-update/#.UoNcvUccgng.twitter
What they released is nowhere near completed, and they just using Irish Vodafone users and people like us as beta testers before they release it properly.
Geordie Lad said:
What they released is nowhere near completed, and they just using Irish Vodafone users and people like us as beta testers before they release it properly.
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Please read post No. 10. Thank you.
These people.... just dont read previous posts, do they.....
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Actually I thought I read it does have hardware support and can be enabled by new firmware, but Samsung has to decide to do it. Google "dcrainmaker samsung-mobile-devices" for one reference.
these people...just don't read the internet first do they...
steeeva said:
Actually I thought I read it does have hardware support and can be enabled by new firmware, but Samsung has to decide to do it. Google "dcrainmaker samsung-mobile-devices" for one reference.
these people...just don't read the internet first do they...
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I know dcrainmakers article. I read it the day it was published. He is wrong. No one is perfect. I believe that he was misinformed too. He is a cycling enthusiast, and a sportsman, but not an engineer.
Don't tell me that you thing hr is better informed than SAMMobile. They realized that they were wrong too and have corrected their article (all new one).
These people... Just take everything that they read on the Internet as a fact....
If you want to disprove me, cite some hard evidence (manufacturer startment or technologycal info). Quoting a bloggers suspicions is hardly enough.
P. S.: I like rainmaker, that is why I read his blogs. To ve perfectly honest, I was surprised that he got this one wrong as he has good relationship with ANT consortium itself. However ANT itself confirmed to an acquaintance of mine that S3 cannot and will not support ANT, meaning they had their facts straight and he did not.
I have seen other articles from him that were loosely based on facts. As I said blogger.
How we test this uncle+ to see if it works

Nokia X2 Views

Its time already! :laugh:
Just when Nokia X range devices have started fading, we now have the new Nokia X2, quite a surprise from Nokia and Microsoft. This time, they have made some noticable improvements, especially with the hardware. They have offered a RAM with an entire gig, a 1.2 GHz Snapdragon 200 dual-core Cortex A7 processor, a 5MP camera with LED flash along with a front camera, two hardware keys, one for home and the other is the back key, a glassy transparent panel as found in the Asha phones along with Nokia's ClearBack display with resolution 480x800, 217 ppi. As for the software, it features Nokia X Software Platform 2.0, AOSP API level 18, with Windows Phone like app drawer, fastlane and more controls on the top bar.
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So, it seems that Nokia is still stuck with Jelly Bean. Maybe this time, we get 4.3 but it just isn't enough. When 4.4.4 is rolling out, 4.3 seems a little old. But who cares, new updated custom ROMs are gonna fly in, at no time. As for the highlight, it is priced around EUR 99, making it rougly around Rs.8500 or 140 USD. Quite satisfactory, isn't it. But, the question still remains, will Nokia X2 do the trick?
Being a Nokia X user, my personal opinion would be to give it a try. When Nokia released X, the common opinion was that Nokia was trying to make Android appear buggy by providing such a low level hardware. But Nokia has broken that talk by providing a way better hardware improvement and by still showing importance in the X Software Platform devices. One thing is still certain, Microsoft is trying its level best to compete with Google services, but it is no where near Google. But at this stage, the X platform is a plus for Microsoft and it seems like Microsoft isn't gonna give up. It will be of no surprise if new devices roll out in the near future.
So people, what are your views over Nokia X2? Post it in this thread. Lets hear some common opinions.
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Its time already! :laugh:
Just when Nokia X range devices have started fading, we now have the new Nokia X2, quite a surprise from Nokia and Microsoft. This time, they have made some noticable improvements, especially with the hardware. They have offered a RAM with an entire gig, a 1.2 GHz Snapdragon 200 dual-core Cortex A7 processor, a 5MP camera with LED flash along with a front camera, two hardware keys, one for home and the other is the back key, a glassy transparent panel as found in the Asha phones along with Nokia's ClearBack display with resolution 480x800, 217 ppi. As for the software, it features Nokia X Software Platform 2.0, AOSP API level 18, with Windows Phone like app drawer, fastlane and more controls on the top bar.
So, it seems that Nokia is still stuck with Jelly Bean. Maybe this time, we get 4.3 but it just isn't enough. When 4.4.4 is rolling out, 4.3 seems a little old. But who cares, new updated custom ROMs are gonna fly in, at no time. As for the highlight, it is priced around EUR 99, making it rougly around Rs.8500 or 140 USD. Quite satisfactory, isn't it. But, the question still remains, will Nokia X2 do the trick?
Being a Nokia X user, my personal opinion would be to give it a try. When Nokia released X, the common opinion was that Nokia was trying to make Android appear buggy by providing such a low level hardware. But Nokia has broken that talk by providing a way better hardware improvement and by still showing importance in the X Software Platform devices. One thing is still certain, Microsoft is trying its level best to compete with Google services, but it is no where near Google. But at this stage, the X platform is a plus for Microsoft and it seems like Microsoft isn't gonna give up. It will be of no surprise if new devices roll out in the near future.
So people, what are your views over Nokia X2? Post it in this thread. Lets hear some common opinions.
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I have XL, what i can say is, i'm very satisfied with its performance. Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that don't having the device.
I will get a new android nokia when they will release another 5'' display, maybe X2L, who knows.
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I have XL, what i can say is, i'm very satisfied with its performance. Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that don't having the device.
I will get a new android nokia when they will release another 5'' display, maybe X2L, who knows.
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For a new android user, or for some one who is not into much development, I would recommend the Nokia X software platform devices. But as far as developers are considered, the X platform devices are not upto the mark. Nokia X2 can be considered as a recognizable device. If only Nokia and Microsoft take further steps into developing a much better device, who knows, these devices can really be something. Just imagine, if we were to get the best of Android's brains, Windows' looks and Nokia's hardware...
Good to see some activity
Well..guys i'm interested in this device but before than i wanna know something
Any cool dev like dhacker29 interested in this device? For developing?
Since Moto E have same chipset it won't be too hard to get KITKAT running on this device i think !!
Dhacker also got dual sim working on Moto G !
That's why wanted him since Nokia X2 is a dual sim variant only (?)
well what can i say the platform updates are good thing i love my nokia x well nokia x2 looks very tempting a Nokia with Microsoft and google quality no one can beat this thing what i dislike about this phone is the more asha look for instance if you have a Lumia 630 next to the x1 you cant tell them apart the other thing is the 2nd button i just dont get it why someone will need that
what we need now is cortana on the x
im impressed from my phone performance i agree with tiger411
Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that never had the device
but i will add : or test it for more than 30 days
Personally I couldn't care less about Google Play, it's restricted in my country so I have always used alternative market apps and they work perfectly fine. I can't wait to get the new x2
Nokia / microsoft
Hope Microsoft (and former Nokia guys) have learned the lesson: give people what they want, or else loose clients!
Too bad there was time wasted, if these two players were in market earlier giving people the desired Android maybe today we could have smartphones with PC-like specs and more software convergence...
Still, I´m really anxious to put my hands on this baby, seems the better of 3 worlds in one package!
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Shahi00 said:
Well..guys i'm interested in this device but before than i wanna know something
Any cool dev like dhacker29 interested in this device? For developing?
Since Moto E have same chipset it won't be too hard to get KITKAT running on this device i think !!
Dhacker also got dual sim working on Moto G !
That's why wanted him since Nokia X2 is a dual sim variant only (?)
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I'm really interested. But sadly, I don't have the device. Only Nokia X.
bye bye X2
Bad news!
Microsoft cancelled Nokia X2 and all Android developments!!!!
Seems that X2 production was reduced to a number like a few Ks total, have to wait until late September for more news, maybe will be available a limited number of devices on some markets.
What a waste of time and energy waiting for this device!!
Really can´t expect coherency from this Redmond guys, since Bill Gates leaved MS the public expectation and what clients want to see don´t count.
What does this people want for a company anyway????
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Bad news!
Microsoft cancelled Nokia X2 and all Android developments!!!!
Seems that X2 production was reduced to a number like a few Ks total, have to wait until late September for more news, maybe will be available a limited number of devices on some markets.
What a waste of time and energy waiting for this device!!
Really can´t expect coherency from this Redmond guys, since Bill Gates leaved MS the public expectation and what clients want to see don´t count.
What does this people want for a company anyway????
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Not to deny your speech, Microsoft has cancelled FUTURE releases for Nokias android phones. But they will continue to support the existing ones and as Nokia X2 is already out, they won't cut it off.
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Not to deny your speech, Microsoft has cancelled FUTURE releases for Nokias android phones. But they will continue to support the existing ones and as Nokia X2 is already out, they won't cut it off.
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This phone will (or could) be available in Europe but in limited quantity, it will continue to be sold on emerging markets - and this is sad for me!
This means there won´t be many available here, or even could not even be available.
As an existing brand, they will sure give support for what they sell, obviously - but don´t expect to much news like KK or L.
Anyway, production will be reduced and wont be other Nokia with android models. Instead of cancelling I should say disinvest on X2, sorry.
Words of a Nokia reseller based on today information, of course that can change as the wind also changes in Redmond.....
bye Nokia X2
Well, so much expectation, result: nothing!
Can´t live with uncertain scenarios, gonna choose another android phone - LG L70 dual.
This way I don´t have to wait for hacks to put Google services on Nokia/MS phones...lol...
Good luck for owners of the X2, I feel a little disappointed for can´t have on my hands this (still thinking so!) very interesting piece of technology
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mgama said:
Well, so much expectation, result: nothing!
Can´t live with uncertain scenarios, gonna choose another android phone - LG L70 dual.
This way I don´t have to wait for hacks to put Google services on Nokia/MS phones...lol...
Good luck for owners of the X2, I feel a little disappointed for can´t have on my hands this (still thinking so!) very interesting piece of technology
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mgama said:
This phone will (or could) be available in Europe but in limited quantity, it will continue to be sold on emerging markets - and this is sad for me!
This means there won´t be many available here, or even could not even be available.
As an existing brand, they will sure give support for what they sell, obviously - but don´t expect to much news like KK or L.
Anyway, production will be reduced and wont be other Nokia with android models. Instead of cancelling I should say disinvest on X2, sorry.
Words of a Nokia reseller based on today information, of course that can change as the wind also changes in Redmond.....
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See? I told you! http://www.gsmarena.com/the_nokia_x2_may_not_get_cancelled_after_all-news-9198.php
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See? I told you! http://www.gsmarena.com/the_nokia_x2_may_not_get_cancelled_after_all-news-9198.php
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AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN REDMOND WINDS!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WILL THEY BLOW NEXT WEEK????
Too bad for me, really needed to change phone, now it is done.........
Im really excited for this device i hope it will release soon in PH
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Im really excited for this device i hope it will release soon in PH
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It's already available in Philippines with price of P6,990. But still not decide to buy. I like the hardware and price. But I have Facebook account that will not be able for me to login. What android rom that I need to install or root this nokia x2 to be able to use my facebook account and other google account?
Although stock rom is fine, we need custom roms. There is already an unofficial cm11 for nokia x. So why shouldn't we get one. And also lewa. I hope developers will work on this device.

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