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Everyone LOVES the iphone.
Even though this is a Windows Mobile forum, we all jump at the chance to have swish finger swipey things running on our phones!
Then when someone comes up with bull threads e.g - I FOUND A STRAY DOG WITH A CIRCUIT BOARD LINKED INTO ITS BRAIN RUNNING IPHONE OS AND PS3 CUSTOM SOFTWARE - etc
......everyone gets excited.
I think the Macishness is leaking into our sacred place and confusing our sensitive minds lol.
I am condeming but I am also running that S2U2 on me Ameo.
Doesnt do anything, but looks like iphone and people love it.
I have never really liked apple...............I found that it was for the girls and guys in our offices who have too much cash. Or people who are not really tech savy, and they are just following the fashion. Unless you started image manipulation before PC's caught up with the MACS and now you are stuck using them.
This has been bred into me from years on a Windows OS. I have seen Apple Macs as restricted fashionable PC's. BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING!
I love the swipey flowing BULLCropola as much as the next person.
I think this is where BIG THINGS things will start to happen for us Windows Mobile users, previously there has never been a huge deal of choice for us in regards to which OS we run on our devices. If we wanted full control of our hardware we needed Win OS. Now days, my Symbian Series 60 Nokia N95 (now hacked to newest firmware etc) is (IMHO) a better "touchless" environment than any Win Mo 6 Standard device I have seen (apart from the lack of querty)
I can do everything on this device that I used to do on my old Smartphone but much faster and easier.
The only things I need my win mo ameo for are for work really. I need VGA out, higher res screen (real VGA mode) so I can use monitor properly. I need USB host for mouse and keyboard and that is it really. When it comes to surfing the net, its obviously much nicer to have a large screen but in terms of the ~OS's ability to handle my usage, Symbian, Apple LG etc are really doing a good job.
For the first time in YEARS and YEARS! I am now looking at other OS's for my next device as well as Win Mo 6/7/8 etc.
My prediction?
In a few years, the XDA brand in this amazing forums name will be a throw back to the past. In the same way that it highlights O2's XDA brand as the devices we all had first, in the future it will highlight the fact that we all started off with only 1 OS - Microsfot Pocket PC 2000!
I wonder how many of us are using/carrying more than 1 device now that runs a different OS? Sony's Nokia's LG's etc......
I am sure there has been a poll recently.........
Well! You are expressing your view on behalf of everyone- which seems inappropriate.
I hate iphone- it's a layman's device as is nokia(Symbain OS).
Programmatically & by all means I personally feel WM's versatility to be the best OS.
Nokia's at not that bad. However most of them are marketed to a different market so they are not really the best to compare.
The Iphone is a piece of kit for fashionistas who are more interested in a phone that looks good rather than anything else. It's general backward technology is lame. Edge? Really? Why?
My almost 3 year old Hermes has more tech in it than the 1 year old --aside perhaps the screen. And its software is a current as the Iphone and can be had for less. Go figure.
And let's not even get into third party apps....
So I guess your guess is more like a rant.
Android seems like a good future platform, you'd have the moddability of WM with the end user experience of in iPhone. Perfect!
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Meh
It seems to me that All the Os's are heading in the same direction, technologically and socially.
Camera's
Storage
Fast data connections
Good Screen and Speakers
Input ability.
I find that using my N95 reminds me of my first smartphone.
I am a member of www.symbian-freak.co.uk and the community there reminds me of Win mobile like 8 years ago.
There is a programming language for the S60 called Python which seems very popular and easy to work with, Nokia has a online application signing at present. Due to the rapidly growing number of users I feel that app signing will change in the future for them. At present I have to personally sign any application that I want to run that is not a commercial release.
Now this reminds me of my first SPV canary when we had to disable the certificate checking to allow unauthorised access. It is really REALLY similar, as is the huge list of applications that grows daily, just like when I used to spend all my time here and on www.modaco.com years ago.
Maybe my comparison to the Iphone was a bad one, and I do apologise for making a statement like "everyone loves Iphone" but its the feedback I get from anyone who plays with Safari on the touch or the iphone, no one can say it is hard to use or aggrevating, especially when you compare the same mobile experience with IE or Opera on Mobile 5 or 6.
Web browsing on my V21. N95 is also phenomenal and has full flash lite 3 support.
All the OS's have different stregnths and weaknesses.
I would NEVER have purchased a NOKIA device 2 years ago. I would have laughed.
However, the S60 V3 platform is BIG there are HUGE numbers of users all hacking and developing just like us here. It is now hacked and modable (all security has been disabled), V4 will be a touch screen environment and all the coders and users will be moving over to these new devices and taking experience with them.
I have apps that do many things that maybe the majority of windows mobile users would not believe. I would not have believed it my self really. I have all the streaming apps that I need, I got core player which is as good as if not better than the win mo flavor I got all the Wifi apps, games, god knows what else. There are so many people developing for the devices.
Its the same for the Iphone. Saying that it is a "laymans" device and that it is not as versatile is not the experience that I have had. Once the device is Jailbroken there are many many many apps available and the list is growing every day. There are Multitudes developing and RE'ing the OS...
I think that a lot of the windows mobile users are not aware of the versatility of other OS's and what people are doing right now.
Yeah, I wouldnt buy one(Iphone) for £300 and take on a contract BUT many people would not have bought an original Windows Smartphone running 2000 for probably the same price!
The Iphone is an amazing bit of tech. It is so thin, so light, the battery is great and the screen is great. Yeah, It has EDGE but how long till 3/4g iphones?
I dont think its prudent to compare the tech as it has been packed so well that surely the technology is heading where Win mobile devices are?
I now use my Nokia FAR more than my Ameo but there are things that I have to do on my ameo as the N95 wont do Host USB etc.
As our communities grow larger from year to year, and as more markets become open to these devices we are going to have SO many people "reverse engineering" and "hacking"
I am guessing that there will be more and more killer apps, maybe we will be switching Os's to run these?
Maybe the Hard core users and exploiters will be moving between these devices and moving the OS's between the devices.
Just like "AKSD" says, having modability is very important.
Iphone has thousands of users added to its list every day. The user base is big and growing.
I suppose I was thinking in Cukoo land, expecting things to converge to the point that people are swapping OS's etc especially as Apple etc would not be happy for people to go from device to device but....lol I had a vision....
thinking again, with the open flavor google android......maybe it will be slightly different, maybe different groups of users and developers will all be modding android for their platorms
Just my thoughts.....
Its not so much the operating system on the iphone that is impressive. I happen to have a ipod touch which basically is the same as the iphone but without the phone features. The OS on the iphone is plain and rather boring. What I can do with the HTC touch is worlds more than what most people can do with their iphones. What is impressive with the iphone is the screen. The screen size is bigger than most PDA phones, the ease of use that comes with the screen is impressive. To this day, not one other PDA or phone manufacture has even thought of using the iphone screen on Windows mobile phone. I actually enjoy browsing the net on my ipod touch alot more than any browser I have installed on the Touch (eg. Skyfire, Opera, Piscel, or PIE). Why? Because the screen and the way it flows on the ipod or iphone. Not to mention the fact that the screen happens to be about and inch and a half bigger than most Windows mobile phones. Apple didnt really make a operating system that was better but rather put an operating system on a phone that can handle operations better. I have many friends with iphones that are hacked and their third party software is slowly catching up no where near what WM has. You have to start with the hardware first.
an iPod Touch/iPhone can play 3d games, utilise the g-sensor and run smoothly - for example racing games. Tilt the iPhone, the car turns.
Why can't our phones run these sort of games? Or is it just the case they haven't yet been produced?
From what I'm aware a Diamond is more powerful than an iPhone therefore these games "shouldn't" be a problem?
Shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong, just kinda thought there should be iPhone-esque software for these phones now.
I am right with you, i keep thinking the same thing.
Because Apple has crazy fanboys and they provided a simple infrastructure to facilitate payment and downloading (appstore). They also gimped the iphone out of the box so as to pretty much require people to sign up for the appstore if they actually want to use it, ensuring that they have the user base they need for it.
Now the iphone has several million users - how many Diamonds do you think are sold? Windows mobile itself is bigger, but the capabilities of the phones running it vary too much that profiting from making advanced games is as feasible.
I have wondered about this as well. I think the problem is 3 fold
Firstly, the Diamond has 3d and graphics performance issues for sure. Sometimes my Diamond will slow down terribly when running some simple animations. I have read that HTC are notorious for providing poor graphics drivers and this could be part of the reason.
Secondly, I actually dont think Windows Mobile is capable of doing what the iPhone UI is capable of in terms of interactive gaming.
Thirdly, Apple provide your at home developers a great business model to go out and develop great games and apps for the phone. Plus with the Appstore they know that if they develop something good, people will see it - there is only one place to get apps from - and the developer will make money.
For me, the iPhone is not the right phone, but I would love Windows Mobile and HTC to be able to do what the iPhone and Apple can do.
The iPhone has v-sync, so the 3d graphics are drawn smoothly with no tearing and sadly win mo just does not. At least that is what my mate said who is a games developer. The power is there but you just can't get it to the wheels! This just makes it fundamentally unappealing to a lot of developers.
yeah totally agree, i love the diamond, but i've been using windows mobile for years now, and each new model HAS generally got better and better. however the iPhone is just something else.. for people who aren't nerds and into mucking around iwth their phone etc, i could never recommend a windows mobile over an iPhone. its just so much more polished compared to the diamond.
i'm an AMD fan too, godamnit why do i always have to back the underdog
Yes, even though i have a diamond and have had great fun tweaking it, i still can't help but envy the iPhone users for their graphically superior games and video playback prowess .
Another explanation would be that iPhone games are developed solely for... u guessed it, iPhones! ...whereas WinMo games have to be developed to run across many different devices, with (or lack of) accelerometers, touch screens etc. Therefore, to achieve this interoperability / compatibility across the many different devices, compromises have to be made.
That said, there are still gd games for our beloved devices, my favourite being PDAMill, whom develop aesthetically pleasing games with intuitive controls, and they're cheap too.
Nudge.
So all in all, will it become possible? And what's vsync? Portable to diamonds?
I think V sync is something to do with the way images are drawn to the screen, and it is just not implemented in win mo, I don't know if it could be written into the drivers or of it is a hardware thing, but then I don't actually have a clue what I'm talking about! Can anyone confirm this?
vsync actually makes bad performance even worse since it forces the back buffer to wait until right after a screen refresh before it copies its data to the frame buffer.
it's great if the device is capable of rendering an FPS that is higher than the refresh rate, but in the diamond case it's just another fps thief
if you want games like iphone get an ipod touch. The diamond never advertised gaming as a capability. Think of it this way: The iphone is like a mac with mediocre hardware but also comes with a mid range video card. The diamond/touch pro are like PC's with raging motherboard/cpu/ram combo, but bottom entry level video card. You can get a lot done with the PC, but the fun factor lies in the mac.
Go buy virtual pool mobile, it runs great and it's very fun. Its the best pool video game ive ever seen actually.
Simple reason
The reason to me is simple: Apple cares about user experience. Just look at win mobile contacts, or explorer. Do you think this software is made for 2008-2009 hardware? Now look at iphone's ones... Seriously, Microsoft has the power to make good things for mobile users, but they released win mo 6.1 one year ago, which is mainly the same OS that existed in 2003.
Silly we when we buy pocketpc running on windows mobile.
Just to revive a dead thread for quite a good reason..
I've seen a few videos on Youtube and also a few write ups on the wonderful Tinterweb in relation to Windows Mobile devices running and successfully playing iPhone games through emulation.
Is this just simple hear-say or fake ? I've been thinking for a long time about focusing simply on making the graphical capabilities of the diamond better through customising the graphics drivers. That's the main flaw for me.
According to a few posts the graphics card has 64MB dedicated memory.. is this right?
If so, these things SHOULD be capable of running bloody good games but the drivers are just nowhere near good enough. I did hear about changing to ATI drivers - is this right? If so, where can I find the info on this cause I would like to maybe bash at hybrid-combining the drivers and modifying them a bit as to allow maybe a bit more fluid graphics. If you check one of my other posts on the Diamond, I've been complaining about split-graphics. It's really getting on my nerves as I'd rather just see a full picture move around my screen fluidly. None of this "split it up" rubbish.
Cheers
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This seems to be a good thread with most/all of the available drivers posted.
well I have been enjoying copy + paste and fully working GPS on my Diamond ever since
now why hasn't Apple offered this so far?
I guess each company chooses their own battles
glumetu said:
well I have been enjoying copy + paste and fully working GPS on my Diamond ever since
now why hasn't Apple offered this so far?
I guess each company chooses their own battles
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Hrrm.. In the new 3.0 SDK update for iPhone 3G and iPod Touch which will be released soon there is copy and paste + redo.. in a very stylish and functional way.
And there will be mms + almost every single function that the iPhone was lacking before + some more.. many, many new stuff for improved gaming, new OS improvements etc.
I watched the presentation on the apple website..
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Hrrm.. In the new 3.0 SDK update for iPhone 3G and iPod Touch which will be released soon there is copy and paste + redo.. in a very stylish and functional way.
And there will be mms + almost every single function that the iPhone was lacking before + some more.. many, many new stuff for improved gaming, new OS improvements etc.
I watched the presentation on the apple website..
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Stuff that should have been released last year. The only reason Apple is releasing it when they are is because people's 2 year contracts are starting to expire, and Apple wants to try and persuade them from leaving by finally giving them features they've been demanding from day 1.
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I knew Apple would do that.
Heres my question:
Smart phones and windows mobile operating system have been around for something like, oh, 15 years now. Why is it some EMO company like Apple releases a phone (badly I might add) and it becomes THE Benchmark for mobile devices? Its just purely unbelievable to me that so many people obsess over "well the iphone can do this, and it can do that.. I want my ______ to do what the iphone does..." If you like the turd and all its glory so much, why don't you just buy one and get it over with??
the iphone is so easy to use, thats why so many people bought one. when everyone has something, it becomes the norm to judge other things by. think of the model t from ford
Model T?
Confused.com. Is that the foreign (for me) Focus? lol
Anyways, I've looked about and the ATI drivers have given me the power boost I'm happy with. However - My images are still split on the screen.
Still trying to get this fixed...
Any one here planning on getting one of the what seems like dozens of Android based tablets that will be coming out later this year?
What about Google TV? Anyone planning on springing for it?
I have already looked into many of the tablets that are available over seas right now.
Some are as low as $100 bucks... got to do more research though.
I've noticed some rumors of really cheap models <$150 (iPed)
But the specs are laughable in some cases even compared to our phones.
I have an iPad and it's pretty nice but it is really lacking in a lot of areas and I can't wait for a Nvidia Tegra 2 Android Tablet to come out so I can sell the iPad and get a real tablet that or one of the windows 7 tablets that are coming out too. I really just want iPad build quality Tegra2 hardware with a 10"+ screen and Android the iPad is really a faster larger iPod touch and iPhone OS has nothing on Android. It would be really nice if the guy who got Android running on the iPhone could port it to the iPad I would be in love because the build quality and the screen of the iPad are top notch pair that without the best mobile OS out and you've got a clear winner!!
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I have an iPad and it's pretty nice but it is really lacking in a lot of areas and I can't wait for a Nvidia Tegra 2 Android Tablet to come out so I can sell the iPad and get a real tablet that or one of the windows 7 tablets that are coming out too. I really just want iPad build quality Tegra2 hardware with a 10"+ screen and Android the iPad is really a faster larger iPod touch and iPhone OS has nothing on Android. It would be really nice if the guy who got Android running on the iPhone could port it to the iPad I would be in love because the build quality and the screen of the iPad are top notch pair that without the best mobile OS out and you've got a clear winner!!
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I agree, There is no official Android Tablet out there, just the bull**** that comes out of China. If you have been current on engadget, you would have seen their china gadget segment where they show all the knock offs that china sells. I really dislike China in that aspect because they do sell knock offs of real gear. A real tablet in my opinion is not some ****ty operating system that runs one program at a time and does'nt use the "Internet" correctly.
In the mind of Steve Jobs, he is a self indulging lunitic who favors a internet world without flash apparently, A operating system without multitasking, A world without people who have more than 1/4 of their brains. Meanwhile a monkey deep inside apple corporation is telling the dev team how to build a phone os by pointing at bananas and various nuts and fruits.
A real tablet pc in my opinion is a Windows 7/Android based operating system with a ATI or Nvidia based chipset that can run Starcraft 2 or Farcry 2 out of the box. We just need to give the Android team time, they are just getting themselves situated in this field and I know we can expect some amazing **** to come in the future.
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A real tablet pc in my opinion is a Windows 7/Android based operating system with a ATI or Nvidia based chipset that can run Starcraft 2 or Farcry 2 out of the box. We just need to give the Android team time, they are just getting themselves situated in this field and I know we can expect some amazing **** to come in the future.
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Its going to be a looooooooooooong time before we see a tablet that will run games as graphically intense as Far Cry 2. Most pc's other than fairly high end systems can barely run it, if at all................besides, you need a mouse and keyboard for games like that, doesn't fair well with a tablet..................Besides, tablets are a pain to carry around, don't fit in the pocket or on the hip....
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Its going to be a looooooooooooong time before we see a tablet that will run games as graphically intense as Far Cry 2. Most pc's other than fairly high end systems can barely run it, if at all................besides, you need a mouse and keyboard for games like that, doesn't fair well with a tablet..................Besides, tablets are a pain to carry around, don't fit in the pocket or on the hip....
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I feel with gentures and multi-touch capabilities that we will be without the keyboard before long. i mean its long overdue regardles.... The keyboard is like what.....30 years old now? We need to move on to higher and better things especially with multi touch or even on screen keyboards.
I swear to god if our PCs start going to soft keyboards, I will personally huntdown and gut whoever made the push.
/bitter
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I swear to god if our PCs start going to soft keyboards, I will personally huntdown and gut whoever made the push.
/bitter
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Agreed, I love my keyboard LOL.
I have a couple of tablet devices I use at work and there will never be a virtual replacement for the tactile feedback a keyboard gives you.
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I feel with gentures and multi-touch capabilities that we will be without the keyboard before long. i mean its long overdue regardles.... The keyboard is like what.....30 years old now? We need to move on to higher and better things especially with multi touch or even on screen keyboards.
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I don't think that will work well with games, unless they go the route of the Wii and use motion sensing.....
I love my keyboard and mouse......
I think touchscreen interaction is, at best, a sideways move from physical input devices. The future is going to be a pure thought-based interface.
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I think touchscreen interaction is, at best, a sideways move from physical input devices. The future is going to be a pure thought-based interface.
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Wonder who will control who...seems like if you could go one direction with "thought powered" the computer implanting or creating thoughts in your head is not far off...scary thought....i think I may have poo'd a little...
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Its going to be a looooooooooooong time before we see a tablet that will run games as graphically intense as Far Cry 2. Most pc's other than fairly high end systems can barely run it, if at all................besides, you need a mouse and keyboard for games like that, doesn't fair well with a tablet..................Besides, tablets are a pain to carry around, don't fit in the pocket or on the hip....
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I actually think games like starcraft 2 would be amazing on a tablet, using multiple fingers instead a lot of on screen clicking with a mouse you could micro easily and do a lot at once.
off-topic. anyone ever see people play starcraft (especially koreans) they are amazing good, I used to play sc a lot and couldnt come close to anybody actually good. starcraft is like a national sport in korea, best players are treated like celebrities.
Dig up your old starcraft cd key and you own it for life on blizzard website, you can download it as many times as you want and play online still...
I used my starcraft non broodwar cd key i found in a box in my attic and they gave me broodwar for free...
worth trying out.
Only if I can find mine, looked earlier when i seen i could try to get the beta for sc2
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Just a blog re: ICS enabling full hardware acceleration of the GUI. We've all figured it would make our tablets sprint but this is putting things in a new light so I figured I'd post it here.
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I'm sure the programmers and people on top of Android out there knew this. It sort of worries me though. Keeping in mind, Apple is running a totally different system - it sort of makes me respect iOS more so, to know that such a smooth system exists within the limits of 256MB of Memory when we're going upwards of 512MB and still having 'issues'. Don't jump down my throat, I don't want iOS (or an idevice), I'm just sayin'.
Jesus. I've known for a long time that there is something wrong with the way Android accelerates stuff and the whole UI design paradigm, but that's just boneheaded o_o That begs the question though: who made the decision to implement acceleration in such a horrible way and why wasn't it designed properly from the get-go? Anyone who has the slightest experience in OpenGL programming would've been able to tell them they're doing it wrong.
What a stunningly stupid way to implement things.
Just goes to show how much difference it really makes when it comes to having experience in OS development...
I like Android, but this design choice was just... dumb.
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What a stunningly stupid way to implement things.
Just goes to show how much difference it really makes when it comes to having experience in development...
I like Android, but this design choice was just... dumb.
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Well, there are several shortcomings to Android exactly because of these kinds of brainfarts, like e.g. the permissions system is terribly sketchy and should've received a lot more Q/A. But now that it's released there's little Google can do about it without breaking compatibility as they didn't even plan for it to be extendable.
I do quite like Android, but it's too uneven to really feel professional or trustworthy. I just recently pondered about what I'd want from a future mobile tablet on my Google+ page and while I didn't mention it there, I feel like Win8 would've been in a terrific position for the OS on such a device if they didn't decide to remove traditional desktop from the ARM-version. I know Windows and Microsoft aren't popular here, but they've got a lot more experience with OS-development than Google and are a lot better at power-management design and acceleration of UI and its drivers, plus they've really put some real effort into security lately. Alas, with them scrapping traditional desktop from ARM-version Win8 won't cut it, either.
You guys should read Google's blog post. That article misses one huge point: the trade off. This was far from a bad implementation, it was just a very different one. If you read the article you would know that ios freezes if you hold your finger on screen while loading a large list, Android does not. Android balances the CPU threads for ui display and data processing somewhat equally, while ios grants utter priority to their ui display thread . Basically, if the ui display thread is busy, data processing stops. Android is the winner, it is ios that will now be limited in speed with this configuration until it is optimized for new hardware much like how Android currently works!
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You guys should read Google's blog post. That article misses one huge point: the trade off. This was far from a bad implementation, it was just a very different one. If you read the article you would know that ios freezes if you hold your finger on screen while loading a large list, Android does not. Android balances the CPU threads for ui display and data processing somewhat equally, while ios grants utter priority to their ui display thread . Basically, if the ui display thread is busy, data processing stops. Android is the winner, it is ios that will now be limited in speed with this configuration until it is optimized for new hardware much like how Android currently works!
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Uh, it is a bad implementation. You can have both a good implementation AND still balance priority of both the rendering queue and application threads, they are not mutually exclusive.
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Well, there are several shortcomings to Android exactly because of these kinds of brainfarts, like e.g. the permissions system is terribly sketchy and should've received a lot more Q/A. But now that it's released there's little Google can do about it without breaking compatibility as they didn't even plan for it to be extendable.
I do quite like Android, but it's too uneven to really feel professional or trustworthy. I just recently pondered about what I'd want from a future mobile tablet on my Google+ page and while I didn't mention it there, I feel like Win8 would've been in a terrific position for the OS on such a device if they didn't decide to remove traditional desktop from the ARM-version. I know Windows and Microsoft aren't popular here, but they've got a lot more experience with OS-development than Google and are a lot better at power-management design and acceleration of UI and its drivers, plus they've really put some real effort into security lately. Alas, with them scrapping traditional desktop from ARM-version Win8 won't cut it, either.
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If Microsoft is dumb enough to kill desktop mode on ARM, that really destroys the Win8 tablet market outside of running on Intel chips, which puts them at sub-par graphics. I suppose the only hope then is if AMD steps in and I'm not all that much a fan of AMD, though they have tried to make good efforts in the mobile arena with their A-series chips and having decent GPUs.
I suppose I'll keep an eye on this and see what Microsoft does. Given their lack of intelligent decision making of late (ie. far dumber than their normal stupidity), I don't hold out much hope. Pity, Win8 tablets were looking strong, too.
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If Microsoft is dumb enough to kill desktop mode on ARM, that really destroys the Win8 tablet market outside of running on Intel chips, which puts them at sub-par graphics. I suppose the only hope then is if AMD steps in and I'm not all that much a fan of AMD, though they have tried to make good efforts in the mobile arena with their A-series chips and having decent GPUs.
I suppose I'll keep an eye on this and see what Microsoft does. Given their lack of intelligent decision making of late (ie. far dumber than their normal stupidity), I don't hold out much hope. Pity, Win8 tablets were looking strong, too.
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The Metro-interface is aimed for touch-based devices, including tablets. Desktop-mode doesn't work too well on such. The problem is that Win8 tablet could serve as BOTH a mobile device AND a desktop computer if Microsoft played its cards right and thus reserve a very nice spot for itself.
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The Metro-interface is aimed for touch-based devices, including tablets. Desktop-mode doesn't work too well on such. The problem is that Win8 tablet could serve as BOTH a mobile device AND a desktop computer if Microsoft played its cards right and thus reserve a very nice spot for itself.
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Indeed. Being able to handle both of those would hook me in pretty easily.
I found these on youtube. Very enlightening about the differences between the two operating systems.
Thanks Wicked4u2c
EDIT: Found the Source User Here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557484
This is why Android kills IOS.
Part 1.
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Part 3.
Part 4.
Part 5.
Bonus.
After using android for 1.5 years then using an iPhone for the last 5 months I can say I totally agree that android is easier to use and more intuitive. I was a naive androud fanboy for awhile before using iOS and realizing how much better android actually is. Now I'm an informed android fanboy. Lol
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Great videos. Thanks
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I couldn't agree more
This biggest BS in smart phone is Comparison is which is easier to use. Its a reverse placebo effect. Naturally the easier to use would be the first one you learned. Lets say you use android for 3 yrs but then had to switch to ios. Ios would take a bit to learn and would there for be "harder" and same with ios to android. When in fact they are both easy. First impressions go a long way with technology especially with an os.
Hell I have a lot of difficulty with ios then I do android (but to be fair i used an iphone for a total of 5 minutes) But it was a slight learning curve coming from a feature phone. But the same would have existed (the learning curve I mean) with the jump from feature to ios.
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densetsu86 said:
This biggest BS in smart phone is Comparison is which is easier to use. Its a reverse placebo effect. Naturally the easier to use would be the first one you learned. Lets say you use android for 3 yrs but then had to switch to ios. Ios would take a bit to learn and would there for be "harder" and same with ios to android. When in fact they are both easy. First impressions go a long way with technology especially with an os.
Hell I have a lot of difficulty with ios then I do android (but to be fair i used an iphone for a total of 5 minutes) But it was a slight learning curve coming from a feature phone. But the same would have existed (the learning curve I mean) with the jump from feature to ios.
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Yes, i would agree. However, many of the items in this these videos demonstrate functions that just simply can't be done on IOS. Let alone being different or harder to do.
Finally!!! someone finally laid it out there.. i showed this to a few die hard iphone users and they watched all 5 videos and was floored. 1 of them switched to android so now anytime a iphone fan boy gives me crap I direct them here.. usually shuts them up or makes more stupid crap flow out of thier mouths... either way its all the same
Seems like there's already a thread on this by the creator of the videos here. Plus, there's also a bonus video as well.
Nice share, nonetheless.
Zedd. said:
Seems like there's already a thread on this by the creator of the videos here. Plus, there's also a bonus video as well.
Nice share, nonetheless.
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Ahh... I tried to search to find it before posting because I figured someone had. I was unable to find it. Thanks for letting me know. I went ahead and added the bonus video as well.
incubus26jc said:
Yes, i would agree. However, many of the items in this these videos demonstrate functions that just simply can't be done on IOS. Let alone being different or harder to do.
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I was just being general I have yet to see the see the videos but I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm watching the cats for my mother who is out of town and she doesn't have internet and Verizon services out in this area blows balls big time. Mainly on 1x the entire time with 0-2 bars so its the slowest 1x speeds or no data connection at all.
I just really hate that excuse android is too hard because it is not. It only took me a couple minutes to figure it out.
I hate ios, I hate osx, and I hate apple. I used all of their products cause friends of mine have them and all I saw was over priced basic ass technology.
ios to me is just confusing especially with just the one damn physical button, windows has always put osx to shame. Sure osx had better graphics processing then windows but that was around early 2000 when the hardware tech between the two were different. Now they are similar in hardware (if not PC is much better cause you can customize the hardware after purchase much easier). And the "oh there's no viruses on osx so you don't need virus protection software and apples osx is immune to them anyway" BS speech, which is all false. Osx does have viruses. It is not immune to them either. A lot of viruses are not coded for osx architecture so therefore does not work but there are people who do make multi language viruses as well as osx specific viruses. But here's the thing if you want to make viruses and harm as many people and business as you can are you going to go after apple who has not even 10% market penetration or windows who is far dominate in the PC world? You be going after windows.
And iPod nonsense are some of the most basic music players known to man. Until 2009-2010 they had no support for mp3 it converted the file types to apple proprietary music file and that was all. Mp3 players did not need to convert and they could use mostly all audio file types. And they were much cheaper and easier to use. (iPod is also confusing to me, and I hate its design) but the versions tried to make up for its crappiness by adding a camera and making some apps for it but overall audio player was still basic as hell and over priced.
But I'm not and android fan either. The dx2 is/was my first android phone and I hate this phone with a passion, hell I like my LG env touch more then this and I hated that phone (well I liked it when I got it but it did not age well) but I know that this is not androids falt, its moto's but that's what I don't like about android its completely at the mercy of hardware manufactures. The custom skins that are integrated with it, non proper kernels that just fails, all android phones should be like the nexus line. Google pushing out updates straight to the phone. Not Google -> phone manufacture-> carrier-> and then customer. That's retarded on so many levels. And then how locked down the phones are. Especially with moto phones.
If Google wants to get rid of fragmentation then they need to grow a pair and make some rules and stand by them and protect android from carriers and manufactures. Sense, touchwiz, blur, what ever Sony uses, locked (and sometimes encrypted) bootloaders and bloatware, updates thatmany phones don't get, are all that destroys android.
That's why in my mind android need to be more like window PC os. With minimal and recommend requirements to run updates, apps, etc. Not this hardware specific crap. Like tegra 3 only powered graphics or tegra 2 only powered vs the others. Minimum specs. Not minimum hardware type.
When you look on back of the box of games, software, hardware, you see minimum and recommended hardware in order to install it. That's what android needs. Not do you have adreno225 well if you do then you can't play this tegra 3 game cause its only coded for tegra3.
Android is coded like video game hardware. Each and every phone is a ps3 vs wii vs xbox360 vs PS vita vs 3ds vs ps2 vs Xbox vs gamecube vs PSP vs nds vs ps1 vs n64. This is why there is fragmentation. That's android right there. With apps, with updates, with carriers. Could you imagine all those gaming systems came out at the same time? Its no wonder why a phone doesn't have this app or doesn't get an update its insane.
Google has to fix that. Android is in competition with itself thanks to carriers and manufacturers as well as with ios. That should not be.
I like android but I also hate it. This is why I don't like smartphones cause there is nothing smart with how they are handled.
And please with the well each one needs to stand out over the other nonsense. This doesn't affect computer manufactures. Windows7 is on ever PC in a tech store like best buy, office depot, etc yet there are no custom skins, no locked bootloaders, nothing stopping you from root access, and you can freely pic a dell, gateway, HP, Asus, compact, alienware, ect. They all do fine (and I mean fine not great because some do well then others) This is just BS in the smartphone world.
It should be hardware spec vs hardware spec not android vs android with internal hardware brand vs internal hardware brand.
When I go into a Verizon store (or whomever) I should only need to look at specs. A high end device should be able to do everything, play everything, with Max out settings for at least 6 months and 2 yrs down the line should still be able to play, and run everything OK and not be abandoned.
I should look at how much ram, how many cores, the speed, screen size, dedicated vram, and that's it. Not who makes it (unless your loyal to a brand) and worry about is it going to be supported, and will my high end device be able to play this cause its going with this instead of that.
Unless this is properly taking care of smart phones will just continue to be a gimmick. If you have a choice of laptop vs tab unless your retarded you pic the laptop. Cause a tab is even more of a gimmick then smartphones. A tab is nice to own but it shouldn't be the only thing you own.
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Thanks for share it.
densetsu86 said:
I was just being general I have yet to see the see the videos but I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm watching the cats for my mother who is out of town and she doesn't have internet and Verizon services out in this area blows balls big time. Mainly on 1x the entire time with 0-2 bars so its the slowest 1x speeds or no data connection at all.
I just really hate that excuse android is too hard because it is not. It only took me a couple minutes to figure it out.
I hate ios, I hate osx, and I hate apple. I used all of their products cause friends of mine have them and all I saw was over priced basic ass technology.
ios to me is just confusing especially with just the one damn physical button, windows has always put osx to shame. Sure osx had better graphics processing then windows but that was around early 2000 when the hardware tech between the two were different. Now they are similar in hardware (if not PC is much better cause you can customize the hardware after purchase much easier). And the "oh there's no viruses on osx so you don't need virus protection software and apples osx is immune to them anyway" BS speech, which is all false. Osx does have viruses. It is not immune to them either. A lot of viruses are not coded for osx architecture so therefore does not work but there are people who do make multi language viruses as well as osx specific viruses. But here's the thing if you want to make viruses and harm as many people and business as you can are you going to go after apple who has not even 10% market penetration or windows who is far dominate in the PC world? You be going after windows.
And iPod nonsense are some of the most basic music players known to man. Until 2009-2010 they had no support for mp3 it converted the file types to apple proprietary music file and that was all. Mp3 players did not need to convert and they could use mostly all audio file types. And they were much cheaper and easier to use. (iPod is also confusing to me, and I hate its design) but the versions tried to make up for its crappiness by adding a camera and making some apps for it but overall audio player was still basic as hell and over priced.
But I'm not and android fan either. The dx2 is/was my first android phone and I hate this phone with a passion, hell I like my LG env touch more then this and I hated that phone (well I liked it when I got it but it did not age well) but I know that this is not androids falt, its moto's but that's what I don't like about android its completely at the mercy of hardware manufactures. The custom skins that are integrated with it, non proper kernels that just fails, all android phones should be like the nexus line. Google pushing out updates straight to the phone. Not Google -> phone manufacture-> carrier-> and then customer. That's retarded on so many levels. And then how locked down the phones are. Especially with moto phones.
If Google wants to get rid of fragmentation then they need to grow a pair and make some rules and stand by them and protect android from carriers and manufactures. Sense, touchwiz, blur, what ever Sony uses, locked (and sometimes encrypted) bootloaders and bloatware, updates thatmany phones don't get, are all that destroys android.
That's why in my mind android need to be more like window PC os. With minimal and recommend requirements to run updates, apps, etc. Not this hardware specific crap. Like tegra 3 only powered graphics or tegra 2 only powered vs the others. Minimum specs. Not minimum hardware type.
When you look on back of the box of games, software, hardware, you see minimum and recommended hardware in order to install it. That's what android needs. Not do you have adreno225 well if you do then you can't play this tegra 3 game cause its only coded for tegra3.
Android is coded like video game hardware. Each and every phone is a ps3 vs wii vs xbox360 vs PS vita vs 3ds vs ps2 vs Xbox vs gamecube vs PSP vs nds vs ps1 vs n64. This is why there is fragmentation. That's android right there. With apps, with updates, with carriers. Could you imagine all those gaming systems came out at the same time? Its no wonder why a phone doesn't have this app or doesn't get an update its insane.
Google has to fix that. Android is in competition with itself thanks to carriers and manufacturers as well as with ios. That should not be.
I like android but I also hate it. This is why I don't like smartphones cause there is nothing smart with how they are handled.
And please with the well each one needs to stand out over the other nonsense. This doesn't affect computer manufactures. Windows7 is on ever PC in a tech store like best buy, office depot, etc yet there are no custom skins, no locked bootloaders, nothing stopping you from root access, and you can freely pic a dell, gateway, HP, Asus, compact, alienware, ect. They all do fine (and I mean fine not great because some do well then others) This is just BS in the smartphone world.
It should be hardware spec vs hardware spec not android vs android with internal hardware brand vs internal hardware brand.
When I go into a Verizon store (or whomever) I should only need to look at specs. A high end device should be able to do everything, play everything, with Max out settings for at least 6 months and 2 yrs down the line should still be able to play, and run everything OK and not be abandoned.
I should look at how much ram, how many cores, the speed, screen size, dedicated vram, and that's it. Not who makes it (unless your loyal to a brand) and worry about is it going to be supported, and will my high end device be able to play this cause its going with this instead of that.
Unless this is properly taking care of smart phones will just continue to be a gimmick. If you have a choice of laptop vs tab unless your retarded you pic the laptop. Cause a tab is even more of a gimmick then smartphones. A tab is nice to own but it shouldn't be the only thing you own.
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Wow man lol