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Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
ozzalbatrozz said:
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
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yes in short you can
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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cpgeek said:
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
jaythenut said:
yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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The argument is, We own the device therefore swapping out software shouldn't affect any hardware issues. Samsung don't have the best quality control and things are faulty sometimes.. why should you be penalized if your volume button breaks or screen breaks due to fault, and they won't fix it because you rooted to add a nice clean theme to your device?
Then there is the underlying security issue surrounding KNOX.. is it a spy tool? is it not? who knows?
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Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
shinchillahh said:
Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
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it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
vndnguyen said:
it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
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Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
shinchillahh said:
Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
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you can anyway update OTA while keeping root.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519103
Thank u sooo much!
Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
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Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
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1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
AIkizov said:
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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Yes absolutely a problem. I forgot to mention it. If any unofficial stuff is flashed then this knox pox is triggered.
Mandark52 said:
1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
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you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
andyjg247 said:
Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
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Mandark52 said:
First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
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I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
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i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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your warranty will void
AIkizov said:
your warranty will void
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so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
Arjoni said:
so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
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have the ability to format, but the stock rom allows do not have permission to freely manipulate software - Void your warranty
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
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As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
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Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
AIkizov said:
Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
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As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
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As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
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now just talking about root that does not alter RecoverŅ
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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If your warranty will be void depends strongly on in which country you live. There is no yes or no answer.
Flash anything but an official Samsung package through Odin and it will trigger the Knox flag and change the device status to Custom. OTA updates will stop.
Re flashing an official Samsung package afterwards will change the device back to Official and OTA updates will resume. But the Knox flag will still show as triggered. Theres no way to reset it.
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My s5 currently is rooted and KNOX is 0x0. I want to flash something more exciting to it but what can I do about KNOX? Can I Remove It Before it is tripped or does it happen no matter what?
Hi - Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but could you share how you managed to root your phone without tripping Knox? All guides / info I have read says Knox will be 0x1 after root and as such I cannot / have not rooted.
Thanks
you cannot remove KNOX.
If you flash anything - KNOX goes to 0x1 making you void your warranty
dieselboy said:
Hi - Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but could you share how you managed to root your phone without tripping Knox? All guides / info I have read says Knox will be 0x1 after root and as such I cannot / have not rooted.
Thanks
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Visit this thread https://towelroot.com/ on your phone and click the lambda and follow instructions. KNOX will stay on 0x0.
Thanks !
It seems within the last 2 weeks after almost everyone saying "rooting will trip Knox and don't count on anything different any time soon" that rooting now does not trip Knox
Very pleased, I am.
And thanks for the link. Seems not everyone knows about this yet.
KNOX
Understood. But is the warranty that important?
Sure using towelroot to root your device won't trip knox but once you flash a custom recovery so you can use custom roms, kernels etc it will
What happens after you disable KNOX from SuperSU?
I thought that you could do anything you want and KNOX will be 0x0 since it's "disabled".
forsberg78 said:
What happens after you disable KNOX from SuperSU?
I thought that you could do anything you want and KNOX will be 0x0 since it's "disabled".
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Iirc Knox is implemented in the boot loader which can't be hacked, so Knox will always be there
If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor
DSA said:
Iirc Knox is implemented in the boot loader which can't be hacked, so Knox will always be there
If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor
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Quote: `If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor`.
Can you explain this a bit more please, or do you mean warranty wise
gee2012 said:
Quote: `If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor`.
Can you explain this a bit more please, or do you mean warranty wise
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Yeah. I Would like this explained. If KNOX isnt a factor in Europe Then Thats A Plus For Me.
Wildey1771 said:
Yeah. I Would like this explained. If KNOX isnt a factor in Europe Then Thats A Plus For Me.
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They are referring to some regula by EU Laws, which indirectly tells that manufacture cannot deny warranty because of rooting.
At same time, organization in my country responsible about these kind of claims says, they agree on Samsungs warranty paper, which says we are not allowed to root. So If I would want justice in my country, it can be done only by court!
So dont count on EU law helping... may work and may not.
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Quote: `If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor`.
Can you explain this a bit more please, or do you mean warranty wise
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Warranty...there are laws here that supercede it, but the above post is basically true (although two people I know who had rooted and used the warranty didn't have to go to court)
txr33 said:
Sure using towelroot to root your device won't trip knox but once you flash a custom recovery so you can use custom roms, kernels etc it will
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Understood.
However in my case all I want to do right now is disable the silly camera shutter sound.
Alright, So Im From The UK. I Want To Get Rid Of Silly Touchwiz which Samsung loves to use. To do so I know I need to flash a different ROM. Doing this will flag KNOX. KNOX being flagged will void warranty. Should I Care About Warranty? Or Should I Flash Away?
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Alright, So Im From The UK. I Want To Get Rid Of Silly Touchwiz which Samsung loves to use. To do so I know I need to flash a different ROM. Doing this will flag KNOX. KNOX being flagged will void warranty. Should I Care About Warranty? Or Should I Flash Away?
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Not necessarily.. Have you heard of "Themer"? I was running themer on my completely stock Note3. You have a wide selection of touchwiz replacements. Take a looksie.
Knox will be tripped if you load a custom recovery or kernel.
Apart from resale reasons, why is everyone so worried about going 0x1?
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Knox will be tripped if you load a custom recovery or kernel.
Apart from resale reasons, why is everyone so worried about going 0x1?
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Perhaps because it may void people's phone warranty.
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Perhaps because it may void people's phone warranty.
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True, didn't think about how many people actually used that.
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Inm8 said:
True, didn't think about how many people actually used that.
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Hopefully not many. You'd expect Samsungs warranty return % to be very low. I wonder if there are published figures, but I would hope <0.1% of customers. However, after a few months of using your device you would know if you need to warranty the phone or not. Then I guess you wouldn't mind going 0x1.
My SM 910C is not compatible with the Belgian LTE network and i need to return to stock asap for warranty. Where do i find the original stock ROM and how do i loose root? Any help is welcome!
WDawn said:
My SM 910C is not compatible with the Belgian LTE network and i need to return to stock asap for warranty. Where do i find the original stock ROM and how do i loose root? Any help is welcome!
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Download original rom from sammobile and flash it with odin. Not sure if it resets knox though.
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Not sure if it resets knox though.
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It doesn't tripped knox remains tripped, that's final.
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It doesn't tripped knox remains tripped, that's final.
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Ouch. Kinda nasty.
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Ouch. Kinda nasty.
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I've never understood what Knox is. Does the tripped Knox mean you can't get your full official warranty back? What problems does tripping Knox cause?
It means the system has been compromised so yeah I guess warranty void. Basically another Iphone in the making.
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Download original rom from sammobile and flash it with odin. Not sure if it resets knox though.
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Thanks, tripped knox indeed. Got replacement anyway. Very good service of Coolblue (the shop were i bought it)
Hi!
Is it worth it to trip knox and root my phone?
Is there any features I lose doing so?
mattan1999 said:
Hi!
Is it worth it to trip knox and root my phone?
Is there any features I lose doing so?
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No one?
i think so, i tried to root but didn't work but i'll try again,knox means nothing to me, i always root my phones.
You will not be able to use Samsung Pay if you root your phone. As there is no way to reset knox, you will never get to use samsung pay when it's up and running in your country..
mattan1999 said:
Hi!
Is it worth it to trip knox and root my phone?
Is there any features I lose doing so?
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Not to mention that tripping knox counter will result in losing your warranty