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Phone freezes when I navigate to the music tab

Hi All,
I have a new TMOUS HD2 with the stock rom. I've flashed HSPL and I've added a few tweaks such as landscae mode. Nothing too much for now.
Problem I'm having is that every time I navigate to the music player it seems to hang and I end up getting the "send to M$" notice and phone's locked up. Then I have to restart the phone again.
I have the music stored on my storage card under Music/Artist/Album/Song and I have about 4 gigs worth.
Any ideas to what this could be? Appreciate the help.

mobi said:
Hi All,
I have a new TMOUS HD2 with the stock rom. I've flashed HSPL and I've added a few tweaks such as landscae mode. Nothing too much for now.
Problem I'm having is that every time I navigate to the music player it seems to hang and I end up getting the "send to M$" notice and phone's locked up. Then I have to restart the phone again.
I have the music stored on my storage card under Music/Artist/Album/Song and I have about 4 gigs worth.
Any ideas to what this could be? Appreciate the help.
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You flashed HSPL, but not a new rom?
I would start by putting just one or two mp3's on your phone's onboard storage, then pulling the card out, soft-resetting, and then seeing if your music tab finds and is able to play those couple of mp3's without locking up.
If it works fine then, you're probably experiencing the same issue many HD2 owners have been dealing with when accessing a large volume of files on the SD card. There's a number of suspected causes, mainly relating to the fact that the music (and documents) tab(s) index the whole contents of the card to find and catalog those types of files for quick use in the tabs. Therefore, a large number of files on the card seem to bog down not just those tabs but often the whole phone.
Another cause is believed to be the fact the factory card shipped with the HD2 is only a class-2 card, the slowest of all the speed ratings. If you have access to a faster card (class-4, -6, etc), even if it's a smaller size card, try that and see if it improves things any. If not, then your only other option right now is to reduce the number of files on your card until it doesn't lock up when sense tries to index it all. It's rumored that there's an update coming shortly from HTC/Tmobile, and I'm hoping that it might address this issue, but I'm not holding my breath.
I personally believe that the code used to do that indexing just isn't able to scale to the volumes of files seen now in the larger SD cards.
EDIT: Also, if you're not using it, be sure to turn off the "recent documents" tab...I don't know that it will clear up the problems with the music tab, but it can possibly help avoid lagging overall.

I can see what you mean about the indexing. Does it index each time the phone is rebooted or does it store the indexing in cache that's reused?

mobi said:
I can see what you mean about the indexing. Does it index each time the phone is rebooted or does it store the indexing in cache that's reused?
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I honestly wish I knew
I've been trying hard to come up with a solution to this issue, and I'm afraid that's one of the unknowns that I'm struggling with...how/when exactly the process is triggered, and whether or not there's any cacheing. I suspect that it indexes (in some form anyway) much more often than every reboot, as you'll see if you delete a music file, and see how quickly the list in the music tab reflects that change.

sirphunkee said:
I honestly wish I knew
I've been trying hard to come up with a solution to this issue, and I'm afraid that's one of the unknowns that I'm struggling with...how/when exactly the process is triggered, and whether or not there's any cacheing. I suspect that it indexes (in some form anyway) much more often than every reboot, as you'll see if you delete a music file, and see how quickly the list in the music tab reflects that change.
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Sirphunkee..I remember a while back when I first started reading this HD2 forum. Since before I was in the Wing Section. I read somewhere about copying a file to the startup in the windows folder. I cant remember exactly what file it was but it had to do with the music so when you woke the phone up it automatically started queing up the music that way when you went to click on the music tab it was already cached and ready to play?! I have yet to come across that thread again so that I could try it out?!

toreone said:
Sirphunkee..I remember a while back when I first started reading this HD2 forum. Since before I was in the Wing Section. I read somewhere about copying a file to the startup in the windows folder. I cant remember exactly what file it was but it had to do with the music so when you woke the phone up it automatically started queing up the music that way when you went to click on the music tab it was already cached and ready to play?! I have yet to come across that thread again so that I could try it out?!
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Ok cool, thank you! I hadn't heard about that one, so I'll go look for it and see if it gives me any insight. Did you have TF3D (the older version of sense) on your Wing, with a music tab? Maybe this is behavior that HTC added to sense at some point, with the same exact intent in mind...

you can disable the docindexservice perhaps it will be of some help. I don't use NRG ROM but the cook did put this cab out and you can give it a try, if it doesnt work just simply uninstall it and your settings will be back to normal
Disable Docindexer.cab

jfmckenna said:
you can disable the docindexservice perhaps it will be of some help. I don't use NRG ROM but the cook did put this cab out and you can give it a try, if it doesnt work just simply uninstall it and your settings will be back to normal
Disable Docindexer.cab
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Sweet! Thanks again Jimmy...I'm gonna dig into this when I get home this evening, and poke around in the registry area it changes (HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\HTCService).
I'm curious if it just does the same thing as turning off the documents tab, or if turning off the service is a wider-reaching change. Since this is the personal handiwork of NRG, I'll ping him too, but I know he's busy.

there are a number of possibilities (though i agree its likely to be the indexing)
don't use sync to copy the music, use disk mode, or put the sd in the comp
excessively long path\filename.mp3
extended set ASCII characters in the mp3 tags,,,
i'd copy over a few dozen albums at a time, see if there's a noticeable point which problems start.
also some connected reading here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640948

samsamuel said:
there are a number of possibilities (though i agree its likely to be the indexing)
don't use sync to copy the music, use disk mode, or put the sd in the comp
excessively long path\filename.mp3
extended set ASCII characters in the mp3 tags,,,
i'd copy over a few dozen albums at a time, see if there's a noticeable point which problems start.
also some connected reading here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640948
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Hahaha thanks Sam...I JUST finished reading over the same thread LOL Very helpful, and it's given me some further insights into this.
toreone, the first think I noticed common to your problem and the one in the thread samsamuel posted is that your music has a rather deep file structure (4 layers deep). I haven't seen anybody mention that in the troubleshooting, so it might be worth seeing if the same volume of music, but no more than 2 folders deep, still gives the same issue.
Also, in that thread, sammybusse made and posted the cab below, which makes simple registry change related to chacheing: HKLM\System\StorageManager\Profiles\SDMemory\FATFS
EnableChache 1 (changed from 0 to 1). So, perhaps the problem stems from the fact that it wasn't chacheing, rather than doing it too aggressively..
I haven't had a chance yet to poke around with it, but I think it's certainly safe enough to try and see if it makes any difference for you (it helped some people in that thread).
Another solution tried there, that had some level of success, was making sure you don't have any of the mp3's set as "read only"

toreone said:
Sirphunkee..I remember a while back when I first started reading this HD2 forum. Since before I was in the Wing Section. I read somewhere about copying a file to the startup in the windows folder. I cant remember exactly what file it was but it had to do with the music so when you woke the phone up it automatically started queing up the music that way when you went to click on the music tab it was already cached and ready to play?! I have yet to come across that thread again so that I could try it out?!
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Here it is:
Go to your Windows folder and find the file "AudioManager_Eng.exe" Create a shortcut (.lnk file) of this file and put it in your Windows\StartUp folder.

mobi said:
Hi All,
I have a new TMOUS HD2 with the stock rom. I've flashed HSPL and I've added a few tweaks such as landscae mode. Nothing too much for now.
Problem I'm having is that every time I navigate to the music player it seems to hang and I end up getting the "send to M$" notice and phone's locked up. Then I have to restart the phone again.
I have the music stored on my storage card under Music/Artist/Album/Song and I have about 4 gigs worth.
Any ideas to what this could be? Appreciate the help.
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Try to sync your music with Windows Media Player. This worked for me.

Nibbley15 said:
Here it is:
Go to your Windows folder and find the file "AudioManager_Eng.exe" Create a shortcut (.lnk file) of this file and put it in your Windows\StartUp folder.
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Nibbley, when I did this, for some reason the file would only be renamed as AudioManager_Eng.lnk.exe. And once you do it, you can't seem to delete the file. Just a heads up.

do you have a more detailed way for doing this?

mobi said:
do you have a more detailed way for doing this?
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Here you go I created a shortcut and made a cab to put it in start up. Let me know how it works

WARNING! Unbelievable and unforgivable bug in S Memo!!

A stupid bug in S Memo deleted all my existing memos!!
To replicate this:
1. create two folders, say "folder1" and "folder2", and create a couple memo pages in each of these folders.
2. in root directory (i.e. "S Memo"), create a pile, say "pile1"
3. use Move function to move all pages in "pile1" into the folder "folder1". now only folders and an empty pile in root directory (but no memo in root directory).
4. at root directory long-press "pile1" to delete this empty pile
5. confirm at the message "The pile will be deleted"
6. all my existing memos, including those moved pages inside "folder1" and any other folders (including those protected with PIN) are now gone!!!
this bug (#6 above) happens when there are only folders but no memo directly in the root directory.
written by a furious GNote user.

ok, thanks for the feedback, now i know what i shouldn't do.

Thanks for pointing this bug out.

How on earth did you find this? Is this something most S Memo users will encounter, or do we really have to look for it, like you did? Does this only affect rooted users?

I really don't want to find this bug. I noticed this bug because I lost all my memos while I was taking notes in a meeting!
ps. My device is not rooted, and I regret this. With root + titanium backup, I may have had my own backup.
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pp18 said:
With root + titanium backup, I may have had my own backup.
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I found TitaniumBackup to restore white sheets instead of notes filled with contents.

I found TitaniumBackup to restore white sheets instead of notes filled with contents.
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If so, maybe I should try sync with Google Doc, even though the content will be converted to an image.
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Has anybody replicated this error?

pp18 said:
If so, maybe I should try sync with Google Doc, even though the content will be converted to an image.
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Google note sync works great. Have been using it well .

Titanium works with S-Memo - somewhat
schaggo said:
I found TitaniumBackup to restore white sheets instead of notes filled with contents.
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Just found out that if you open and edit a note the content re-appears - so it is saved and restored with Titanium, but has to be recreated from the dataset. I have so many memos that I wish there was a quicker way to restore them than to open each one.

Anyone tried saving them to a Dropbox folder?
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Sorry.. wrong thread.. delete

@cyman777 Excellent find!
With the more recent software revisions S-Note can sync to Evernote by the way. Since I don't have an Evernote account, I cannot say if notes get converted to an image as (reportedly) the case when syncing to Google or if they get synced in their native format.

pp18 said:
A stupid bug in S Memo deleted all my existing memos!!
To replicate this:
1. create two folders, say "folder1" and "folder2", and create a couple memo pages in each of these folders.
2. in root directory (i.e. "S Memo"), create a pile, say "pile1"
3. use Move function to move all pages in "pile1" into the folder "folder1". now only folders and an empty pile in root directory (but no memo in root directory).
4. at root directory long-press "pile1" to delete this empty pile
5. confirm at the message "The pile will be deleted"
6. all my existing memos, including those moved pages inside "folder1" and any other folders (including those protected with PIN) are now gone!!!
this bug (#6 above) happens when there are only folders but no memo directly in the root directory.
written by a furious GNote user.
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Though I have surprisingly lost all my notes TWICE as well, i tried to replicate the process as you described but all the folders & the files inside are still existing this time! Nothing has been deleted after deleting the last empty pile & while making sure there are no individual notes on the root! So i think this bug does exist, but may have nothing to do with single notes on root or not! Please advice if you have found an explanation or a solution to this serious problem!

Life changing!

This happened to me twice, resulting in me not wanting to use the S Memo app anymore.
Lost a good ~30 sketches the first time and a lot of notes the second time.
I cant trust this app anymore, and it was so close to being that one thing i always needed.....

What were you doing messing about with the root directory in the first place. Surely it's not a bug but more a user created error!
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root directory of S-Memo, not / (=root) in the filesystem structure. Hence an application bug, not a user created error.
Did any of you already report it to Samsung? Otherwise it wont get fixed anyway...
#Tapatalk #Galaxy Note

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It just happened to me. 100 sketches and notes, neatly organised in piles, all gone. I am an architect so I sketch not just for fun. I have filled many physical sketchbooks over many years until last fall when my dream gadget was introduced by samsung, with S-Memo being the one killer application that tells the whole story of the device.
So the Note is a device that you can draw on with a pen and every now and then it deletes everything you drew.
I am running out of words for this.

- sync methods -
I just posted a similar sync alternative in one of my threads a few days ago, which can be used for S-MEMO as well:
This is my workaround for *in this case* S-Memo:
You need:
- A Dropbox account
- A Dropbox sync app like Dropsync (link)
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Sadly S-Memo seems not to store the drawings in an easy to find folder (please tell me if i´m wrong!), Note Everthing makes it easier here...it places a folder on your SD Card, which contains every single note you take (JPEGs, textfiles, Soundfiles etc.).
What I´m doing is the following: Every here and then, I´m exporting my sketches in PDF converted files (just hit the menu button in the "root directory" of s-memo and you´ll see what I mean). Now all your sketches will be saved automatically to your s-memo folder on the internal SD card. And here the content of my thread again:
I´m autosyncing this folder to my Dropbox via Dropsync...and voila, here we are, I´m happy!
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Of course, there is GDocs as well (and it works well)...but I like it more to have my sketches on my desktop when I´m at home without having to visit the browser and download my stuff again.

[Q] How do I open HTML files on MicroSD Card in Chrome?

Verizon GN3, updated, stock ROM, not rooted.
I have a 64gb MicroSD card installed, and put a copy of my photography website on it. I find I am unable to figure out a way to open it in Google Chrome.
I used ES File Explorer's FTP function to begin with, to copy files from my website to the card, and this worked beautifully. When I click on the index.html file on the card, the only options offered are HTML viewer and some text editors. Chrome is not an option (Chrome is the default browser for my phone).
If I long-press the file, and select Properties, I can copy the Path for the file, but when I paste this into Chrome's URL bar, it won't open:
Access to the file was denied
"The file at file:///storage/extSdCard/PhotoWebsite/index.html is not readable. It may have been removed, moved, or file permissions may be preventing access"
I have searched quite a bit, and tried various addresses, including localhost, localhost/mnt, etc., etc., but nothing seems to work.
Ultimately I want to have a Bookmark in Chrome where I can view my website offline when necessary, but this seems to be more complex than would appear necessary.
Any help appreciated.

Bump - came off first page without any replies.
Does anybody here know how to get an html file on your MicroSD Card to open in a browser??

Seriously? Is there no way to accomplish what should be a fairly basic task: for a browser to open up an html file???

If you use My Files to navigate to the file and then select it does it not give you options as to how to open it?
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YankInDaSouth said:
If you use My Files to navigate to the file and then select it does it not give you options as to how to open it?
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Thanks for the reply.
And unfortunately, no. My Files is a more basic app than ES File Explorer, and when I locate the file with it, and select it, 2 options are given:
Complete Action Using ES Note Editor or HTML Viewer.
Chrome or other Browser are not provided as an option.
HTML Viewer is apparently a type of minimalist browser, but fails hopelessly as a way to view webpages. No controls, no resize, etc. And I haven't figured out any way to get HTML Viewer to send anything to Chrome or other Browser.
As I said, this is really quite puzzling. It should be a no-brainer for a browser to open an html file, regardless of its location. Hopefully I'm missing something basic, but I've done quite a bit of searching and experimenting, and can't seem to find the trick, or particular syntax, to get this working.

Hmmmm.... Very weird! like you said, you'd think it'd be a simple task. I may play around now, just because LOL
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I'm guessing you have tried the apps in the play store but just in case here is one option https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.gelin.android.browser.open
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ContractorDude said:
I'm guessing you have tried the apps in the play store but just in case here is one option https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.gelin.android.browser.open
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I had run across one or two like that in my searching, but haven't tried them yet. I like to keep my systems as 'clean' as possible, and so my first choice would be to do it natively. It seems a lot of the problems people develop with their phones, lagginess, various quirks, etc., arise from some odd app or two that doesn't play well with others, or which fix some problem, but create others.
But reading the reviews of the app you linked to, it does seem to fill a pretty major gap that is apparently present in the Android OS, so may be worth a shot.
Thanks.

That was the first thing that came up in my search and I agree with keeping the phone "clean". I'll keep looking
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Well, I went ahead and installed 'Open in Browser.' It installed without problem, ran it to select my preferred browser (Chrome), but when I try to open the file, with either Chrome or the stock Browser selected, I still encounter that same dang error message.
I even rebooted the phone, just to make sure, but no joy.
I have emailed the author of the app, to see what the deal is, and will post here if he replies.
Is there some type of Verizon 'protection' or 'security' software running by default that could be getting in the way? Any other ideas?

No responses from anyone else. This seems to be a built-in security "feature" of Chrome for Android, which prevents it from loading an HTML file from an External SD Card. I can't figure out any way around it.
I went ahead and copied the files to the GN3's internal memory:
files:///storage/emulated/0/PhotoWebsite
And I am then able to open the files without any difficulty in Chrome. I have kept the "Open in Browser" App, as it does add the option to open HTML files to a Browser directly from a File Manager, which comes in handy.
I have created a Bookmark for the link for ready access to it within Chrome, but weirdly, I have to long-press and select in Open in New Tab to get it to work. A simple tap, like any other Bookmark, doesn't work.
Fortunately, I have a lot of available Internal Memory, but I should be able to put the files on the External SD Card, and be able to open HTML files from it.
I am still interested in a way to do this, if anybody has any suggestions.

Ignore - duplicate entry. The forum seems to have a glitch here - every time I post, it warns me it can't post another within 20 seconds, even though I've only clicked it once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the .html file can also be opened in desktop programs like MS Word, right? Have you tried any programs like open office or QuickOffice?
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LeftyGR said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the .html file can also be opened in desktop programs like MS Word, right? Have you tried any programs like open office or QuickOffice?
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Thanks for the reply.
There's nothing wrong with the file itself (nor any of those from my website), so yes, it can be open in other programs (including HTML Viewer in my Note 3). The problem, as I currently understand it, is that Chrome (and the default browser on the GN3 as well) has some type of security provision that prevents it from loading HTML files that are stored on an external SD card.
When I copied all of the files to the GN3's internal memory, a "pseudo" SD Card, they can be opened without any difficulty.
Why it is this way, I have no idea, nor if there is any way of circumventing it.

Hi DLCPhoto,
I see the last post here was December 22, 2013.
Have you come up with any solutions as of yet?
I am having the same experience even at this late date using Android 5.1.1 Lollypop in a Samsung Core Prime
Standing by . . .

Unfortunately, I never figured out a work-around. I just gave up and put the files I wanted on the Device's memory, where they can be readily accessed.
I'm still using that Note 3, and don't know if anything has changed with more recent versions of Android.
Sorry...

Kit Kat 4.4 and external SD cards

I have read and I like the new restrictions on "external SD card" use. It will prevent a lot of apps from leaving crapola all over your device.
It does not restrict your use of data etc. It just keeps you organized. If you want to uninstall an app and still keep its data, you can simply move the data to a new folder.

mangurian said:
I have read and I like the new restrictions on "external SD card" use. It will prevent a lot of apps from leaving crapola all over your device.
It does not restrict your use of data etc. It just keeps you organized. If you want to uninstall an app and still keep its data, you can simply move the data to a new folder.
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You must be stock and unrooted....Kit Kat is a major pain in the rear to root users..

jauger said:
You must be stock and unrooted....Kit Kat is a major pain in the rear to root users..
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True - I only root my devices when they are out-dated.
I don't think the 8013 has reached that point yet.
I am still happy with its performance.

But what I am understanding is apps are corralled to their own folders. This implies to me that some I rely on will cease to work. Example:
I use folder sync to keep lecture notes synced between my 10.1 and S4. By my read of KitKat, folder sync will be prohibited from writing to the lecture notes folder.
What about photos? Different apps to adjust photos depending on what I want to do.
And what about ES File Explorer. Won't it become useless?
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jauger said:
You must be stock and unrooted....Kit Kat is a major pain in the rear to root users..
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Sorry if I may be asking the obvious, but in what way is KitKat a pain for root users?

starbuckk said:
But what I am understanding is apps are corralled to their own folders. This implies to me that some I rely on will cease to work. Example:
I use folder sync to keep lecture notes synced between my 10.1 and S4. By my read of KitKat, folder sync will be prohibited from writing to the lecture notes folder.
What about photos? Different apps to adjust photos depending on what I want to do.
And what about ES File Explorer. Won't it become useless?
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We don't have all the answers, but I'd bet dollars to donuts there will, at least, be work-arounds" for any on these problems.

mangurian said:
We don't have all the answers, but I'd bet dollars to donuts there will, at least, be work-arounds" for any on these problems.
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There aren't. I've had KitKat since weeks after release (S4 GPe). I've been in touch with many developers and made them aware of the issue before it went mainstream. Bottom line, here's the limitation in the simplest of terms.
-An app can read any file on the MicroSD Card.
-An app can only modify contents within a self contained subfolder
So, file managers won't work if stock and unrooted (read only, no writing). FolderSync doesn't work. ES doesn't work (it will tell you that it created/deleted/modified the folder, but then when you refresh, the change never happened).
A good example of how this works would be with a bare bones gallery application. If you store your photos in a random folder within the SD card, the Gallery app can view them. However, if you try to delete a picture, it will only remove from the gallery and remain on the SD card. After a device reboot, it will reappear in the gallery (this also happens with Google Photos and the stock Gallery app).
Another way to do this would be for the gallery app to copy all photos to the gallery subfolder and ignore photos outside of this folder. And if you remove the app? Photos are gone (except what was at the original location). But, this just causes duplication issues.
Lastly, applications can be given permission to read/write to VERY specific ContentProviders and folders. So eventually, you'll have a shared folder called "Pictures" that any gallery application can modify as needed. However, this function is, again, for very specific usage and still prevents file managing apps from doing what they're intended to do.

jaykresge said:
There aren't. I've had KitKat since weeks after release (S4 GPe). I've been in touch with many developers and made them aware of the issue before it went mainstream. Bottom line, here's the limitation in the simplest of terms.
-An app can read any file on the MicroSD Card.
-An app can only modify contents within a self contained subfolder
So, file managers won't work if stock and unrooted (read only, no writing). FolderSync doesn't work. ES doesn't work (it will tell you that it created/deleted/modified the folder, but then when you refresh, the change never happened).
A good example of how this works would be with a bare bones gallery application. If you store your photos in a random folder within the SD card, the Gallery app can view them. However, if you try to delete a picture, it will only remove from the gallery and remain on the SD card. After a device reboot, it will reappear in the gallery (this also happens with Google Photos and the stock Gallery app).
Another way to do this would be for the gallery app to copy all photos to the gallery subfolder and ignore photos outside of this folder. And if you remove the app? Photos are gone (except what was at the original location). But, this just causes duplication issues.
Lastly, applications can be given permission to read/write to VERY specific ContentProviders and folders. So eventually, you'll have a shared folder called "Pictures" that any gallery application can modify as needed. However, this function is, again, for very specific usage and still prevents file managing apps from doing what they're intended to do.
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Seems like the android team need to add some sort of "firewall" implementation, for apps users WANT their old ability back and still provide their users with this security for the majority of their other apps, it doesnt have to be all or nothing, .......make the most secured option as default, for basic users, while giving the power users the option to "fine tune" it, i.e. the "firewall" analogy

jaykresge said:
There aren't. I've had KitKat since weeks after release (S4 GPe). I've been in touch with many developers and made them aware of the issue before it went mainstream. Bottom line, here's the limitation in the simplest of terms.
-An app can read any file on the MicroSD Card.
-An app can only modify contents within a self contained subfolder
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Just to be clear, if I write an app and want to write (not modify) to an external SD card I must write to the self contained folder.
Is that correct?

mangurian said:
I have read and I like the new restrictions on "external SD card" use. It will prevent a lot of apps from leaving crapola all over your device.
It does not restrict your use of data etc. It just keeps you organized. If you want to uninstall an app and still keep its data, you can simply move the data to a new folder.
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I don't see how you think it doesn't restrict a user's data but keeps the card organised, when I have all my data (a LOT of work PDFs and docs, plus some photos), all nicely filed away and synchronised with my NAS, and other tablets; and now I cannot do this. I cannot organise my content at all (actually I am struggling even to put it on the SD card, except by taking it out out plugging it into a USB adapter into my PC). Until now, I have never had any apps leave crapola on my SD card. I used to be able to save lecture recordings direct to a nice "recordings" file on the SD card. Now it has to put it somewhere obscure (android/data/.somthingrandomthatisapaintofind).

It seems this works on some apps and not on others. For example foldersync doesn't seem to be able to write to the external sd card anymore, nor does X-plore, however, Es file Explorer seems to be fine about it, and happily writes files to the sdcard?! So if ES can do it, why can't the others?

jenacadabra said:
I don't see how you think it doesn't restrict a user's data but keeps the card organised, when I have all my data (a LOT of work PDFs and docs, plus some photos), all nicely filed away and synchronised with my NAS, and other tablets; and now I cannot do this. I cannot organise my content at all (actually I am struggling even to put it on the SD card, except by taking it out out plugging it into a USB adapter into my PC). Until now, I have never had any apps leave crapola on my SD card. I used to be able to save lecture recordings direct to a nice "recordings" file on the SD card. Now it has to put it somewhere obscure (android/data/.somthingrandomthatisapaintofind).
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I'm on kitkat for over month now and I don't know what is big buzz about. I did not notice any different behavior from my external card. I can read and write whatever I want using pc explorer. Es works fine. Stock my files is fine too. So can somebody explain problem litte more please?
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norbarb said:
I'm on kitkat for over month now and I don't know what is big buzz about. I did not notice any different behavior from my external card. I can read and write whatever I want using pc explorer. Es works fine. Stock my files is fine too. So can somebody explain problem litte more please?
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I see - you are just using the USB cable I assume. The functionality I have lost is to:
a) wirelessly synchronise multiple pdf/document files in multiple folders and multiple subfolders, whether edited on the Note or on PC (or both).
b) Used a file management app to organise files & folders on my home network between my PC and external SD card. It was even able to wirelessly copy my work direct from the NAS.
None of the apps I used stored any files on my SD card and because they have taken away my access to my SD card I cannot sync my files properly. I realise I could just plug the cable in, but that is not practicable when I am editing 100s of documents in 100s of different subfolders a day - an automatic sync is fantastic. Android is strongly geared towards the "leisure" side of the market and I am going to have to take another look at Windows tablets if they don't fix this (except I would miss the S Pen!)

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It seems this works on some apps and not on others. For example foldersync doesn't seem to be able to write to the external sd card anymore, nor does X-plore, however, Es file Explorer seems to be fine about it, and happily writes files to the sdcard?! So if ES can do it, why can't the others?
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What device are you using that can write to SD using ES? I have the Galaxy S4 GPe (i9505G) and ES cannot do anything with the SD Card.

Have you updated ES? I heard they upated to fix it.
As I understand there is something called storage access framework that is supposed to be the replacement for direct file access.
I haven't seen kitkat. FolderSync is my biggest concern.
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What device are you using that can write to SD using ES? I have the Galaxy S4 GPe (i9505G) and ES cannot do anything with the SD Card.
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I'm on a Samsung galaxy note 3, with kitkat 4.4.2 and ES file Explorer 3.1.1

Yes, thanks to a post somewhere on XDA I am now using ES file manager, which as you say, will work with the ExtSD on Kitkat (though I still prefer Astro myself).
I still can't sync my content though which is the bigger problem. I used to use SyncMe. A fantastically easy to set up App that would seamlessly sync content across multiple devices (still works fine on my Note 8). I can't find anything to replace this at present.
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I'm on a Samsung galaxy note 3, with kitkat 4.4.2 and ES file Explorer 3.1.1
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What ROM are you using? Are you on stock 4.4.2 OTA without root?

jaykresge said:
What ROM are you using? Are you on stock 4.4.2 OTA without root?
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Yes, stock unrooted Samsung kitkat 4.2.2

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Yes, stock unrooted Samsung kitkat 4.2.2
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On my device, ES 3.1.1 allows me to create a folder but I cannot edit or delete the folder. I cannot create, edit, or delete files. If I delete folders, they will initially disappear, but will not actually delete. They reappear upon a refresh.

[Q] Changed from IPhone 5S to Samsung Note 3 n900aucucnc2 on 4.4.2 and need some help

OK to start things off this is going to be a long list of questions/issues and various impressions, some opinionated and some fact. I've had apple phones for years and appreciate both, I changed because my iphone couldn't do some things my note 3 can do such as open up 200+ MB pdfs with relative ease, but then again the samsung struggles to do simple things the iphone did fresh out of the box. This is not meant to be a discussion of which is better but it would help to know what I'm comparing it to and how I think simple things should work. I use a PC just FYI.
1.) Data Transfer of large files from various desktops to the Note 3 either through internal memory or external sd card.
My first issue is that I cannot move large files from my internal memory to my sd card. The sd card in question is a sandisk 128gb but have also tried to few others just to make sure it's not the card. If I download a large file on utorrent such as a 720p movie or better, I cannot move it from internal memory to sd card. I just won't do it. Not only will it refuse to move large files but any photos are sometime hit and miss, sometimes it moves them with no issue at all, most of the time the files stay in the parent folder and don't end up in the destination folder. I can move various files if I connect it to my desktop and drag and drop them onto the sd card but sometimes moving the file corrupts it where it cannot be played on the phone. I've also tried this with numerous computers with the same result. to move files on the phone i go to my files, select the directory and then select the file I want to move. I hold down on it to select it and then press move, it then shows the internal and external storage options, i select the sd card and the folder I want the file in and then press move here in the top right hand corner. If there is another way let me know.
Second issue is when dragging and dropping large music files directly to the sd card or internal memory from a pc. If a drag and drop a FLAC album it corrupts it about 50% of the time. I routinely go to play the album and get the message that it does not support the file type or something to that affect. I often just delete it and redo the process, most of the time that works. On MP3's, if I drag and drop an entire discography of an artist (say 8gb or so) it's corrupted 100% of the time. When I go to playback the albums they play at double speed. I have to go back and drop them one by one and sometimes (but rarely) that has the same issue.
2.) Audio Playback/Microphone/Headphone/Bluetooth Issues
Firstly, I thought that all 3.5mm headphone jacks were on a standard. I did not realize that the note did not come with headphones and that the headphones that I used with an apple device would not fully function on an android device. This seems like something so simple it shouldn't even be an issue. All of the headphones, earbuds, etc I have that have inline controls do not adjust the volume or skip tracks on my android device. You name it, like a half dozen brands. It just doesn't work...
When trying to use talk to text for a text message either with headphones with inline mic or with a Bluetooth headset it does not use the microphone on the accessory device, it uses the internal phone mic which is an issue for me. So instead of using the mic right next to my mouth I have to hold the phone up to my mouth in loud places. I don't know any way to change this...I couldn't find it in any settings.
3.) Lockscreen (I don't know how this is supposed to work, I looked it up and I'm assuming its something I'm doing.)
I want my lockscreen to be simple but I cannot seem to get the weather off of my lockscreen. It does not appear unless I swipe down and there it is. How do I remove it? If I open up the lockscreen editor by swiping from left to right its not there. I only have one lockscreen page so I don't know whats going on.
When I have notifications on my lock screen and click on them it puts a box around the lower part of my lock screen where you normally swipe as to say swipe here stupid to unlock. Is that the case or am I missing something else? It seems as though if my phone doesn't have a security lock on it and I press on my notification it should just open it. Or is it intentionally non-intuitive for some other reason?
4.) GLITCHES!!!!!!!! Various other issues
Routinely my music apps gets stuck on a page. Say if I'm listening to an album and try to back it up to my list of albums it just loads the same page over and over again. I have to hit my homebutton and open up the music app again from the icon and sometimes that causes it to crash. It does this on the stock Samsung music player and on play music. Normally my phone plays music 24/7 so it may be just how much I use it for that purpose.
Apps crash on a regular basis, at least a few times a day. I'd say I have an app crash maybe 3-5 times a day on average. Some more than others. Because of all the glitches I did a factory reset weeks ago to see if there was another issue. I've also tried uninstalling and re-installing all the apps that normally crash but that hasn't seemed to help. I don't believe apps used by millions on other android devices such as Bank of America (crashes literally every time I use it) or Pandora could be the problem.
Google integration is sketchy at best, It routinely doesn't delete e-mails off the google server when I delete them off my phone. It's really hit and miss. Sometimes it works, sometimes it will load the same e-mails dozens of times even though I've deleted it daily. The google+ photo backup is hit and miss and even updates over cellular even though its set to only update over wifi when plugged in. All of the sync settings seem appropriate for what I want it just doesn't work.
Text scaling under most situations is completely absurd. I've got 5.7" of screen and have to re-scale practically everything that loads so I can read it. This is especially and issue when reading forums which I'm on frequently. Is there a way to change this? If there isn't there definitely should be! Not a glitch but an issue.
All social media apps that load from a page (a wall, forum, feed, whetever) always reload when I click on something and go back forcing me to start over from the beginning. I've only had this issue on this phone, my previous iphones just take me back to where I was. Is there a way to change this annoying problem?
5.) The Photo Gallery
It just doesn't work. I don't know any other way to put it, its the second biggest failure on the phone. i wouldn't trust it with important anything! It routinely just looses photos, online account's don't update at all, s health photo that I've deleted dozens of times keeps showing up in my photos, all my album covers end up in my gallery and I have to manually go back and delete them all, photos end up corrupted and not able to view them whether on sd card or on phone, it goes on and on. Is there another application I can use? Can I make another app my default gallery app? Some online photos like picassa/google+ don't load correctly, it'll show the preview photo and when clicked on it'll show a completely different photo from that album. I would just delete it but can't delete online account photos from my phone gallery app and when I delete them online it doesn't update it on my gallery.
6.) Voicemail
I recieved a voicemail the first 10 minutes I had my phone and clicked on it in my notifications and it called my voicemail. I was confused at first, was i holding a 700 dollar phone or 90's Nokia? Seriously? And on top of that it didn't come with ATT visual voicemail out of the box, I had to download it. WTF! No I don't need voicemail on a phone I need 20 other google apps instead...seriously? On top of that att visual voicemail app is crap. I routinely miss voicemails because it not reliable enough to show all my voicemails in my notifications. Is that how all android devices are? I may be a little spoiled by the voicemail being on a tab in my phone app but it seems as though if there is an att specific model this should work better than it does...
7.) Text messaging
I don't use the stock mesaging app because it wouldn't reliably send a photo...that is all. I use textra now and it works better but still isn't what I would consider to be reliable...
8.) General Gripes about the phone app
The buttons are so large it looks like its designed for the seeing impaired.
Color scheme looks like I'm 4 and trying to push blocks into the appropriate holes...
I can't figure out how to change the color scheme on it, can you change it?
I hate the cartoonish figures for people that don't have photos.
Okay, it generally looks childish or like it was designed by Mattel. I need something far more professional looking.
On a positive note, speech and handwriting recognition is second to none, S Pen apps and S pen integration in general is very refined. It's extremely fast with very little lag in all situations. There are lots of positives so I'm not downing the phone at all but it just needs to fit my needs better. That's not everything but a good start. Thanks for your time and patience.

And to sum it all up, I think you should go back to i... :sly:
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Dejan Sathanas said:
And to sum it all up, I think you should go back to i... :sly:
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So your note does all of this also?

Lythropus said:
So your note does all of this also?
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First - ur post is too big to even read.
You are in xda and there is ton of information here. If you search , u will realize that most of the issues have solution...
When moving from another OS its always difficult but stay and you will love it.

Let me rephrase, it's not an android problem that I'm aware of: is my phone ****ed up and in need of replacement our does every note 900a cnc2 do this stupid ****?
The new os doesn't seem to be an issue this is mainly a hardware issue unless you're saying all android phones corrupt photos straight out the box. Which I know that isn't the case.
Some of my gripes are android related but mostly sounds like a hardware issue.

Try moving the large file using "my files", 3rd party file manager cannot move file from internal to external sd (a limitation introduced in kitkat).
Also try copying your music collection using card reader.

stonedead said:
Try moving the large file using "my files", 3rd party file manager cannot move file from internal to external sd (a limitation introduced in kitkat).
Also try copying your music collection using card reader.
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I've only tried my files to move it on the phone, it will not move them.
I basically have to use a card reader to copy anything over a gig or so reliably. I can drag and drop it but that doesn't always work.

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My first issue is that I cannot move large files from my internal memory to my sd card.
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Really, and you did that just fine on the iPhone? :silly: That would be quite a full miracle given how (as far as I know) the iPhone never had a SD card :silly:
Read around - if you are on 4.4 there are some new security restrictions on writing to the external SD. If you are on 4.3 you are probably doing something wrong.

xclub_101 said:
Really, and you did that just fine on the iPhone? :silly: That would be quite a full miracle given how (as far as I know) the iPhone never had a SD card :silly:
Read around - if you are on 4.4 there are some new security restrictions on writing to the external SD. If you are on 4.3 you are probably doing something wrong.
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Of course I didn't, I.used third party software to drag and drop mp3's on internal storage of a jailbroken device. It worked 100% of the time.
But you're still missing the point. My files are being corrupted whether on the external sd card or the internal storage. There aren't any examples off this on my model phone on your forum...

As far as I know my files isn't a third party so it should have full access to read and write to my sd card per 4.4
That does explain why u torrent won't do it though.

Did u use your iTunes mp3 files? My girlfriend is also into that icrap and when she used my computer for music files I learned that you don't wanna use iTunes. Don't take this as a apple...uhm... disliker read about it if u don't believe it. Itunes messes with the music files and therefor I had to do my whole music storage from the scratch.
I think what @Dejan Sathanas was trying to say was: that if you are not ready to switch u will find strange issues that nobody else encounters and end up spamming the threats. For example: I haven't had any issue moving any files ever on any android device!
So long story short
1. Get the device u prefer (even if it is an apple)
2. Try some music files that didn't run through apple tech

4aces said:
Did u use your iTunes mp3 files? My girlfriend is also into that icrap and when she used my computer for music files I learned that you don't wanna use iTunes. Don't take this as a apple...uhm... disliker read about it if u don't believe it. Itunes messes with the music files and therefor I had to do my whole music storage from the scratch.
I think what @Dejan Sathanas was trying to say was: that if you are not ready to switch u will find strange issues that nobody else encounters and end up spamming the threats. For example: I haven't had any issue moving any files ever on any android device!
So long story short
1. Get the device u prefer (even if it is an apple)
2. Try some music files that didn't run through apple tech
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I didn't use the ALAC files from my Apple device. I was under the impression they wouldn't play on here, just used mp3s and flacs. I tried to upload a pic of what the corrupt files look like on my phone but got an error that said could not complete this operation due to low memory. I'll figure it out when I get off work and upload them.

Took it to best buy\ATT, they sent me to the Samsung rep/dealer in store. He couldn't figure out what was going on, why it wouldn't move files, why some would corrupt, update Google anything, etc so they are sending me a new one.