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To insure our best chances of being able to root, what should we do? I've never rooted anything before so this will be my first time but I hear about alot of problems with Knox and what not. When I pick up my phone, should I not allow them to touch it or watch what they are doing so they can't install anything? What should I disable right when I get home? I'm a noob to this and I searched and didn't see anything,,atleast I don't think so.
They don't install anything on your phone at activation that will affect root capability... it's all in there already when the phone is loaded with verizon's version of touchwiz 4.3 ... don't worry about what you're doing with your phone as far as apps or whatever ... it won't hinder your ability to root if that becomes available to us... just chill and let the developers hack at this thing and see what they come up with... BUT ... don't hold your breath... our bootloader will be locked on verizon... that will make things impossible... dev's will gravitate towards the unlocked versions that are easier/possible to work on... and we will be left behind unless some weird exploit is stumbled upon... learn to love your stock device when you're on verizon... it's less stressfulness
I would not take any updates if they are pushed out immediately after launch.
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Stock phone is wonderful minus a few omissions. For me it's no wifi toggle, continuous home screen and app drawer and ability to not have all apps in the multi window pane. That to me is worth root. Ugh
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Stock phone is wonderful minus a few omissions. For me it's no wifi toggle, continuous home screen and app drawer and ability to not have all apps in the multi window pane. That to me is worth root. Ugh
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I agree ... I can live without custom ROMs/Kernels, but no root would be rough. No Root Explorer, no AdAway, no LMT Launcher would be a rough adjustment. Ugh, and I forgot all about that stupid Verizon WiFi notification nag Oh boy ... Stock is going to be HARD! LOL
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Aren't we all just chomping on the bit! VZ sales person I would like a note 3 to go, full price off-contract, oh be a dear and unlock the bootloader for me thank you.
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Aren't we all just chomping on the bit! VZ sales person I would like a note 3 to go, full price off-contract, oh be a dear and unlock the bootloader for me thank you.
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Maybe I'm naive but do they unlock the bootloader if you buy it full price off-contract?
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Maybe I'm naive but do they unlock the bootloader if you buy it full price off-contract?
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I'm going to ask, capability should exist, same model is unlocked in UK and others. I'm also not going to use it as a phone right off, Wi-Fi only, which might help. If refused I might wait to see if a developer version will show up.
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I'm going to ask, capability should exist, same model is unlocked in UK and others. I'm also not going to use it as a phone right off, Wi-Fi only, which might help. If refused I might wait to see if a developer version will show up.
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Good luck, since when does VZW/Big Red get developer version of phones? I wish they did, the HTC One dev edition would've been great 6 months ago. Only thing on my mind now is 3GB RAM on Note 3.
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Good luck, since when does VZW/Big Red get developer version of phones? I wish they did, the HTC One dev edition would've been great 6 months ago. Only thing on my mind now is 3GB RAM on Note 3.
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It was released for the note 2:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-outs-verizon-galaxy-note-2-developer-edition-product-page One can hope; we're all Google-Gaga over the specs.
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They don't install anything on your phone at activation that will affect root capability... it's all in there already when the phone is loaded with verizon's version of touchwiz 4.3 ... don't worry about what you're doing with your phone as far as apps or whatever ... it won't hinder your ability to root if that becomes available to us... just chill and let the developers hack at this thing and see what they come up with... BUT ... don't hold your breath... our bootloader will be locked on verizon... that will make things impossible... dev's will gravitate towards the unlocked versions that are easier/possible to work on... and we will be left behind unless some weird exploit is stumbled upon... learn to love your stock device when you're on verizon... it's less stressfulness
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When wouldn't we get root with a locked bootloader? And devs on Verizon aren't just going to switch over to another carrier for a phone. Have you checked out some of the crazy stuff they've been able to accomplish on Motorola phones? Or safestrap for the locked bootloader s4? Well be totally fine. I'd be surprised if we didn't have root on launch day.
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I get that it will have an unlocked bootloader and such. But does the release of this mean no one will bother with unlocking the non dev version. Because id really like me a custom rom.
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As of now beanz said that only safe strap will be worked on for the non dev edition . which means only custom tw Roms. No kernels, no aosp. No one mentioned the possibility of bootloader unlock, as he mentioned time after time to wait for Dev edition.
Hope that answers your question
I could not wait for a phone that I all ready like... but that being said I wonder if Knox will be on the dev edition? A asop note??? Would be lame!
damn this sucks. the note 2's bootloader was unlocked within a few weeks of release.
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As of now beanz said that only safe strap will be worked on for the non dev edition . which means only custom tw Roms. No kernels, no aosp. No one mentioned the possibility of bootloader unlock, as he mentioned time after time to wait for Dev edition.
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But even with an unlocked bootloader on the dev edition, how many ROMs, kernels, etc. will be available? I know that Beanz and some other devs said they will get it, but the number of ROMs will still be fairly limited. Not sure if it is really worth it.
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But even with an unlocked bootloader on the dev edition, how many ROMs, kernels, etc. will be available? I know that Beanz and some other devs said they will get it, but the number of ROMs will still be fairly limited. Not sure if it is really worth it.
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limited?? Why
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But even with an unlocked bootloader on the dev edition, how many ROMs, kernels, etc. will be available? I know that Beanz and some other devs said they will get it, but the number of ROMs will still be fairly limited. Not sure if it is really worth it.
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It will be limited because not as many devs will have a DE version of this phone. They might be able to port some roms but it won't be anything close to the note 2 community
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so why will this bootloader never be unlocked if the note 2 took very little time to get unlocked?
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so why will this bootoader never be unlocked if the note 2 took very little time to get unlocked?
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Well, the note 3 just happens to have a chastity belt of a bootloader which is also guarded by bastard of a shot gun called knox.
Who's to say any tampering with the boot wont trigger knox and void us all to warranty hell.
I was looking forward to using an unlocked bootloader just to get the kernels ect, but I come from the Droid Bionic so im fairly use to using safestrap.
If I can get the bloat gone, deodexed, with a few cpu scripts ill be happy.
Well I giess id be happy with some TW kit kat roms. As long as it imprives battery life and rids the rom of all un-nessesities.
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Wish I knew about how the bootloader was screwed. I Purchased 2 note 3's at full retail, and sold both of my note 2's, only to find out about the bootloader issue after it was all done. I had been so busy at work I didnt have time to research the note 3 very much. I just assumed it would be similar to the note 2 bootloader. This may be what causes me to leave vzw. I hate that they refuse to allow me to use my phones the way I want.
Your departure will not be noticed. Should probably research first before spending 1500 dollars.
If your looking for a few investment ideas with no research first, I got a few ideas.
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Your departure will not be noticed. Should probably research first before spending 1500 dollars.
If your looking for a few investment ideas with no research first, I got a few ideas.
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I bet you feel better about yourself after being rude for no reason.
The note 2 was never intended to be unlocked by Samsung. Adam outler and the xda guys just happened to find a easy way to unlock. Of course once Sammy figured out how they did that, they had to patch that hole and make it harder for devs.
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I thought about turning my 3 in to get the DE version but since safe strap looks like it'll be a go soon I'm not. I think if you use touch wiz roms there's really no need to with the New development on safe strap
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Anyone that buys a phone with no research, at full price, and just expects it to all come together like the previous model is an idiot.
You make your bed, lie in it.
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Anyone that buys a phone with no research, at full price, and just expects it to all come together like the previous model is an idiot.
You make your bed, lie in it.
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You sound like a people person, a real joy to hang out with.
More of a realist that doesn't bull**** and gives it to you straight. Probably should research before you press buy on a whim.
I've havw two upgrades on a Verizon Employee account, I get an upgrade every 10 months and yet still haven't just went and blown money just to blow it. Clearly you can afford to spend 1300$ no problem, but don't come here whining because you just expected something.
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More of a realist that doesn't bull**** and gives it to you straight. Probably should research before you press buy on a whim.
I've havw two upgrades on a Verizon Employee account, I get an upgrade every 10 months and yet still haven't just went and blown money just to blow it. Clearly you can afford to spend 1300$ no problem, but don't come here whining because you just expected something.
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At no point did I "whine", I stated my situation. I also never said I needed my exit from vzw to be noticed, or that it was anyone's fault other than my own. You just seem to have a need to be negative towards me and my situation. Which, from the beginning I said was my own fault, and that I didnt have time to research because I had been very busy at work. and you immediately began talking down. Realist or not, your still being a rude for no reason. Do we know each other in real life? have I offended you in the past? I dont understand why you have such animosity towards me.
I have been doing 80+ hour work weeks for the past month, and wanted to purchase the phones as a reward to myself, and my wife who starts a new job on monday. I had experience with the note line, and it was an excellent product. So I thought / assumed I would have a similar experience with this product. why that offends you? I have no clue. but by all means, lose as much sleep as you need to over the situation.
Just relax buddy the phone will be unlocked soon enough
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I thought that this video would give some hope to the AT&T N3 community. Looks like the Verizon N3 is going to get (or got) a program called Safestrap which is allowing them to install custom ROMs and other things on their version of the N3. This should be made applicable to the AT&T version soon. It may not be as flexible as a unlocked bootloader but does give some hope of being able to have the phone the way you like it.
http://galaxynote3root.com/galaxy-n...-custom-rom-using-safestrap-on-galaxy-note-3/
Yea it's been a while homie... The creator of it is working on trying to achieve it in our device as well
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I thought that this video would give some hope to the AT&T N3 community. Looks like the Verizon N3 is going to get (or got) a program called Safestrap which is allowing them to install custom ROMs and other things on their version of the N3. This should be made applicable to the AT&T version soon. It may not be as flexible as a unlocked bootloader but does give some hope of being able to have the phone the way you like it.
http://galaxynote3root.com/galaxy-n...-custom-rom-using-safestrap-on-galaxy-note-3/
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Oh man let's hope for the best. This is all kind of new to me having these issues. Even my One X was a pain in the ass, but not THIS bad with unlocking.
Will safe strap include being able to flash a kernel? That's honestly the #1 reason for an unlocked bootloader for me. I love playing around with cpu and gpu parameters trying to achieve best battery to performance. Plus faux123 has his kernel and coming from it with a nexus 4 I wish I had it on this device.
Safe strap will not allow kernel flashing. Only ROMs. It high-jacks boot up and redirects the device to boot from a secondary partition you create on the internal memory. You will lose space on internal memory to use safestrap. Although the Verizon folks (me included) have been able to overwrite the factory partition to avoid space lose. If you want to flash kernels you need to drop the 700 dollars on development edition of the phone. I can't believe how dead the development thread is for this device I was just looking for some options for a friend of mine who just got his AT&T N3.
I got more jelly beans than jelly belly, on my S3, S4, and both my Notes
Guess I should have stuck with nexus. Oh well ill trade the ability to flash kernels and roms for a removable battery and an sd card and large screen.
I'm pretty sure the DEVS within these forums will eventually find a way to crack the system. It's just a matter of time and patience.
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I'm pretty sure the DEVS within these forums will eventually find a way to crack the system. It's just a matter of time and patience.
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I don't think that's ever going to happen. This is sad but it looks like the Note 3 (At&t Version) will never have an unlocked bootloader. There is no way around it.
I will never buy another At&t phone again in my life. I will never buy a Samsung device again in my life.
I'm done with them both. I hope their happy. This is what they want.
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I don't think that's ever going to happen. This is sad but it looks like the Note 3 (At&t Version) will never have an unlocked bootloader. There is no way around it.
I will never buy another At&t phone again in my life. I will never buy a Samsung device again in my life.
I'm done with them both. I hope their happy. This is what they want.
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Got to have patience man. It's only been 2 months since the phone launched. I understand it is taking a long time...but it will get done.
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Got to have patience man. It's only been 2 months since the phone launched. I understand it is taking a long time...but it will get done.
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I would be shocked, but thanks. I hope your right because this sucks. I want to run Jedi bad.
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Got to have patience man. It's only been 2 months since the phone launched. I understand it is taking a long time...but it will get done.
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I have a locked S4 and have been waiting since I got it the wait will be long.
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I don't think that's ever going to happen. This is sad but it looks like the Note 3 (At&t Version) will never have an unlocked bootloader. There is no way around it.
I will never buy another At&t phone again in my life. I will never buy a Samsung device again in my life.
I'm done with them both. I hope their happy. This is what they want.
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Agreed +1
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Will be a nice xmas gift to have an unlocked bootloader. 3 month mark should be a good gauge as to whether it will ever happen
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C'on where's the faith in our community of developers? :good:
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C'on where's the faith in our community of developers? :good:
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They're still trying to unlock the dx. I had one. I did get used to just flashing roms, it's not that bad.
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They're still trying to unlock the dx. I had one. I did get used to just flashing roms, it's not that bad.
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good news...
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/105617-safestrap-for-the-n3-vzw-and-att-testing-started/?p=1567258
My previous phone (Galaxy SkyRocket) was a fantastic phone, but decided to upgrade since I could get the S4 for $99 and the SR was having trouble charging.
I come to find out there will be no rooting/Recovery/ROM because of the --- Mod Edit, masked profanity is senseless ---locked bootloader/MF3 Firmware from AT&T. And it doesn't sound like there is a good shot any of this will be cracked.
Very tempted to return the phone and get something else. Should I just hang in there and wait for a reliable root/recovery method or return the phone?
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My previous phone (Galaxy SkyRocket) was a fantastic phone, but decided to upgrade since I could get the S4 for $99 and the SR was having trouble charging.
I come to find out there will be no rooting/Recovery/ROM because of the F****ing locked bootloader/MF3 Firmware from AT&T. And it doesn't sound like there is a good shot any of this will be cracked.
Very tempted to return the phone and get something else. Should I just hang in there and wait for a reliable root/recovery method or return the phone?
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Its been 9 months since the s4 was released and no exploit has been found yet besides on MDL and safestrap on mf3 but then again 4.3 just came out very recently and you can root your phone. I'd say turn your phone back in and get a nexus 5. Or you can cough up the extra cash if you want a gs4 and get the Google play edition. But overall I love my s4.
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Return it while you have the chance.
I was lucky to get an MDL S4, but if it was an MF3, I would have returned it in a heartbeat.
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I'm really looking into getting a new phone, too. MF3 blows.
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I'm really looking into getting a new phone, too. MF3 blows.
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Same here.
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Huge let down. I hate bloat ware. This may be my last Samsung phone. I might go back to HTC or check other offerings when the time comes. I miss all the things you could do with a rooted phone running a custom ROM.
I would return it before it's too late.
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My previous phone (Galaxy SkyRocket) was a fantastic phone, but decided to upgrade since I could get the S4 for $99 and the SR was having trouble charging.
I come to find out there will be no rooting/Recovery/ROM because of the F****ing locked bootloader/MF3 Firmware from AT&T. And it doesn't sound like there is a good shot any of this will be cracked.
Very tempted to return the phone and get something else. Should I just hang in there and wait for a reliable root/recovery method or return the phone?
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I got the LG G2 after coming back from a SGS4 and i gotta say, its a huge upgrade. Everything about it is better and there isn't any of this stupid KNOX and dumb Bootloaders
I'd say return it, I'm currently selling my S4, hopefully someone buys it. Never again Samsung.
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I got the LG G2 after coming back from a SGS4 and i gotta say, its a huge upgrade. Everything about it is better and there isn't any of this stupid KNOX and dumb Bootloaders
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I will probably sell my S4 this week because of Knox. Is the LG G2 better than the Nexus 5 ?
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I will probably sell my S4 this week because of Knox. Is the LG G2 better than the Nexus 5 ?
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LG G2 = Nexus 5. Same specs, same processor and everything more or less. Just Nexus 5 is unlocked and will have more support than any other phones usually.
safestrap makes the MF3 tolerable but yeah, not being able to dabble with kitkat really sucks. Since this is my work phone I'll probably just use safestrap with a stripped down stock. At the moment I have graviton which is acceptable but IMHO still has too much bloatware on it.
Anyone have any thoughts about selling it on Ebay?
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I'd say return it, I'm currently selling my S4, hopefully someone buys it. Never again Samsung.
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Yea
davebegue said:
Still love the hardware. The display is awesome. Removable battery, sd card. It is a dream phone. So aggravating that it has been hobbled like it is. Thought I was getting a great deal when I got it on eBay. Coming from s3 I just figured it would be easy to mod. Didn't do my research before buying. Still a great phone but really limited. So I am kind of stuck with it now. Maybe I could resell it and try to get one of those unlocked ones but crap they are expensive. I hope somehow it will get liberated.
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This is what I am leaning towards. Just deal with the crap/bloatware and hope some breakthrough occurs with these boot loaders.
I think Ebay is gonna be too much of a hassle and the handset is really nice, although not being able to tether is SEVERELY annoying.
Thanks to all for the advice.
This thread is depressing to me lol (phone comes in tomorrow....)
G2 has whack design with its buttons and and no sdcard..
Anyway I will probably keep the s4 (hopeful root) till something good comes out (was hoping xperia z1 would come to att) and then give the phone to my mom....
Everybody should call Samsung 1800# tomorrow around same time and complain to unlock BL (or AT&T which ever it is)
Surge and a few other Devs are working their brains out past few weeks (hopefully picking up traction) and get unlock)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500826
Maybe somebody can help them
Traded my s4 for a HTC one. Don't regret my choice at all.
Down with locked bootloaders!
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So this is just a simple Poll Thread. Just wondering if we think the VZW Note 4 will ever see some kind of unlock!
Now a midst allot of the talk going around some say we may HAVE TO have an unlocked bootloader to even consider root.
So this Poll is going to be asking the following question? It is not more so about will we get Unlocked, or will we get root.
The question is:
Do you think we will see any type of unlocking/rooting method for the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Retail?
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So this is just a simple Poll Thread. Just wondering if we think the VZW Note 4 will ever see some kind of unlock!
Now a midst allot of the talk going around some say we may HAVE TO have an unlocked bootloader to even consider root.
So this Poll is going to be asking the following question? It is not more so about will we get Unlocked, or will we get root.
The question is:
Do you think we will see any type of unlocking/rooting method for the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Retail?
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I say no but with the note 4 you don't need it but TBU and Adway would be nice
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I say no but with the note 4 you don't need it but TBU and Adway would be nice
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Go ahead and put your vote in the top of the OP sir! Id like to see what everyone has to think about this topic!
Granted im very inclined to agree with you on your answer. I dont think its necessary. More or less a habit just to do it and were spoiled with the features! But yes some of the perks would definitely be nice!
I say no. I think every Samsung phone from here on out will be locked down tight on Att and Verizon. Sprint will have root and that will be the only route for rooting in the near future.
I HIGHLY disagree... this device will definitely see root. And although it performs great without it, things like write protection completely diminish the joy of having a capable device. We'll see root, maybe not an unlocked bootloader... but there's always safestrap....Samsung's devs are great, buy ours are better... hence the hiring of Steve.
For 1 just because it is hard to root makes it more tempting for someone to cracking the code and for 2 touchwiz sux it lags freezes and remove all that crap that Verizon and samsung put on our phones.
I mean... the Note 3 was the same.. it had a Root. I'm sure something will pop up
prob have root but no unlock bootloader
Looking back at old devices and seeing where we are now. I think the chances of obtaining a root exploit for this device are like 1 in a million. So I'm going with no on both. But that doesn't take away any value of the phone itself, its still the biggest beast around currently. Its also priced the most among online marketplaces next to the iPhone 6.
Highly unlikely. If it does, it will be some new universal root that happens to work on the Verizon version, but nothing Verizon specific.
Maybe if everyone keeps saying no, someone will look at this thread and be like, "can't? I can't? Lemme show these dudes why I am who I am." Lol
This is the only phone I have ever owned where my keeping it Is not based on root.
Of course I want root, and yes I believe it will happen eventually.
I really hope it will happen. I really have been grinding my teeth using the note 4 without root. I need my per app dpi settings, adaway, and more xposed modules. Honestly I would probably return it if I still could.
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This is the only phone I have ever owned where my keeping it Is not based on root.
Of course I want root, and yes I believe it will happen eventually.
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Ditto... love it so far!
Hard to say, but I'm thinking no.
"No" right now and once L is released, helL no. Sorry, but that is what it seems to me.
Results as of right now
Well it seems like the dial is leaning more towards the side of most people thinking we will or most certainly get root.
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Those who think more than likely not or most certainly not.
Ive got high hopes but like i stated im mighty happy with how the device is performing at this point in time. Of course the added benifit of removing junk would be great if anything that and xposed!
Im keeping my Root Alert set to high! LOL
Thanks for voting it up fellas! :good:
i say 100% on KK and on L 75%
i have read a thread just like this on soooo many devices since the OG Droid and the only thing that has been successful since has been locking the bootloader. N4 just needs the right people with it in their hands and that will eventually happen.
L has already gained root access without a modified kernel which you can read about here.
personally i am not moving from the N3 until there is root and at minimum SafeStrap working. i have most of the N4 software features mixed with some L and some S5 stuff with a great theme and some amazing Xposed apps on my N3 that i am not willing to give up. customization from theme to software tweaks is something i highly value.
No root mark my words
What about the KNOX flag? Does it not really matter? I pay 10$ a month for insurace so does the warranty matter that much?