Retail vs Dev Edition: Bootloader Discussion - Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Qualcomm vs Exynos... We have all seen exynos is easier to unlock (note 2)...
But will the VZW GN3 get unlocked?...
Will you wait for the Developer Edition?
Please share your thoughts below.
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bajasur said:
Qualcomm vs Exynos... We have all seen exynos is easier to unlock (note 2)...
But will the VZW GN3 get unlocked?...
Will you wait for the Developer Edition?
Please share your thoughts below.
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How does one go about acquiring a developer edition?

Look at the Verizon SGS4, I would say no.

bekyndnunwind said:
How does one go about acquiring a developer edition?
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They have been dropping dev editions for the latest devices and I'm sure they will announce the dev edition note 3 a few weeks after the initial release. Check the forums and android news websites in the coming months
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I would very much like someone with more knowledge than most of us combined to chime in on this topic.
Why is it an impossibility to somehow use the dev edition to assist in the unlocking of the retail edition?
The answer must be simple Or it would have been done long ago with the S4
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We don't have any idea if there will be a Dev edition.

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We don't have any idea if there will be a Dev edition.
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suzook said:
We don't have any idea if there will be a Dev edition.
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Exactly.
My personal guess would be there is no dev edition released, but I am only guessing like everyone else here.....

Im guessing there will be a dev edition ther is for the s4 why not the note 3. What has me curious is a read a thread about chip bending or binary bending which changes a chip into dev mode basically. Im only read the thread and have ben wondering this since. Plausable? What is the physical difference between dev and regular note 3
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I'd be pretty confident that there will be a developer edition. My question is: will there be anything developed for it, since the main phone will most likely remain locked or, at best, be only partially unlocked? I think it's gonna be developer phones or bust for these Verizon Samsungs from now on. We should start dedicated developer phone threads.
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Here's hoping they release one. I want a Note 3, but I'm at the point where I simply won't buy a phone with a locked bootloader.

Any confirmed benefits of the retail VZW GN3 vs. the Dev Edition for VZW?

Phandroid reports the developer edition website is up and says "coming soon".
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Well, here's the page. Doesn't really confirm anything, but it gives us something to drool over...

Marvelicious75 said:
Well, here's the page. Doesn't really confirm anything, but it gives us something to drool over...
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It also says 32gb! This seems to be the norm for Verizon developer galaxy phones.
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Only AT&T and Verizon have locked bootloader. So there's already a number of rom option. I couldn't wait and already have a n3 so I hope to hear a release schedule before I have to return this bad boy.
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Att not gonna be unlockable?!?!

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/15/htc-one-att-bootloader/
you guys think this is true?? I hope not!
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Was the one x unlockable on at&t? Nope... I imagine they will continue this trend. I mean... Why not.
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spitfire2425 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/15/htc-one-att-bootloader/
you guys think this is true?? I hope not!
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I think it's true... considering that HTC themselves said so...
If it is would it be a big deal? I don't know how HTC phones work really, I've modded a evo once but that's it. I've been a Sammy user for 3 years.
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spitfire2425 said:
If it is would it be a big deal? I don't know how HTC phones work really, I've modded a evo once but that's it. I've been a Sammy user for 3 years.
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Yup... Means no custom roms until someone finds an exploit.
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That sucks. How long did it take for the one x? Also how long would it take for the one?
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If I remember the AT&T one x had a bootloader unlock in a matter of weeks.
bobruels44 said:
If I remember the AT&T one x had a bootloader unlock in a matter of weeks.
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Well... A month the first time. Then they updated the firmware and that took about 5 months to crack... Still can't root the latest update... I'd be willing to bet we'll be waiting a long time. But hey, maybe this device will get popular.
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Does this mean anything for the tmo version, or does no mention of it mean that tmo's will be bootloader unlockable?
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Darn, I guess no more tethering to my tablet once I get my new phone??
maidguitar said:
Does this mean anything for the tmo version, or does no mention of it mean that tmo's will be bootloader unlockable?
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This question has been answered many times
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lol, looks like you guys got the ol' bait and switch
I am hoping I get mine early so I can use HTCDev to unlock it before that gets disabled. I am not optimistic about it though.
It might already be locked out if att is shipping it.
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This may mean hello to the s4... dang.
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It's still unlockable.
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Don't know why people are suprised by this. They locked every htc in recent history and also the Dev version would be completely irrelevant if you could unlock the AT&T version.
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mattman83 said:
Don't know why people are suprised by this. They locked every htc in recent history and also the Dev version would be completely irrelevant if you could unlock the AT&T version.
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Not the one xl +
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Don't know why people are suprised by this. They locked every htc in recent history and also the Dev version would be completely irrelevant if you could unlock the AT&T version.
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I'm surprised because I didn't know that. As a samsung user I don't pay much attention to htc.
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Now that the phone has been out for a weekend by AT&T, is there any definitive proof that the AT&T one can still unlock the bootloader via HTC dev post 4/19?
Has anyone attempted it? Or are people receiving retail units with the bootloader locked?

Will these roms work on the sprint gs4?

Will the roms in this forum work woth the U.S. sprint model of the gs4?
Also what is the model name for the sprint gs4 so I know what to look for when looking for compatible roms (I.g. my current tmo note 2 is called T889)?
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You'd be better off waiting until there is a Sprint subforum. That forum will have everything that is for the sprint version. I'm not sure what the model number is, I haven't really searched for it.
It will be SPH-L720
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metalfan78 said:
You'd be better off waiting until there is a Sprint subforum. That forum will have everything that is for the sprint version. I'm not sure what the model number is, I haven't really searched for it.
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Yeah thats what I figured. I assume these roms are for the international version with the eynos octa 5
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Your correct the international roms wont work on any of the U.S. s4s varients. Qualcomm vs. Exynos roms are incompatable. The qualcomm version already has development started.
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Your correct the international roms wont work on any of the U.S. s4s varients. Qualcomm vs. Exynos roms are incompatable. The qualcomm version already has development started.
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Where could I find development for the snapdragon variant?
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nemesis93 said:
Where could I find development for the snapdragon variant?
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Type xda 9505 model.
chery2k said:
Type xda 9505 model.
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I've done that already but wasn't able to find a subforum for the GT-i9505?
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nemesis93 said:
I've done that already but wasn't able to find a subforum for the GT-i9505?
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There will be a subforum not now but very soon.
Doing prep work for CM on the L720. Hopefully will get something going early to mid next week. (Rough probably but still moving forward)
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KitKat Roms for Verizon Variant?

I'm not asking for an ETA, but does anyone know if developers are working on a KitKat ROM for the Verizon G2? I'm looking at the Moto X because 4.4 is already confirmed, but if the G2 gets a KitKat ROM, I might have to rethink my decision.
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jlanik4 said:
I'm not asking for an ETA, but does anyone know if developers are working on a KitKat ROM for the Verizon G2? I'm looking at the Moto X because 4.4 is already confirmed, but if the G2 gets a KitKat ROM, I might have to rethink my decision.
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They are.
And go look at Moto X development then come back here.
Mandelbrot.Benoit said:
They are.
And go look at Moto X development then come back here.
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Lol. Yeah, I've counted a grand total of 1 ROM made for the (non Dev Edition) Verizon X.
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Development has been at a stand still since 4.4 was announced and thats a good thing, it means 4.4 roms are on the way for the G2. This always happens when there is a new version of android on the way and the fact that we have seen very little activity lately is a positive sign :good:
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I'm not asking for an ETA, but does anyone know if developers are working on a KitKat ROM for the Verizon G2? I'm looking at the Moto X because 4.4 is already confirmed, but if the G2 gets a KitKat ROM, I might have to rethink my decision.
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It was accidentally leaked by a French telecom that 4.4 would rollout Nov-Dec. LG denied it and it was removed from the telecom's upgrade list. Currently, LG is taking a stance that there is no date yet.
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2535326

What up with carriers locking bootloaders?

Are us At&t custom ROM users going to have to move on to greener pastures with this Knox bs or will someone unlock the s4, note 3, and s5 (when it comes out) bootloaders at some point? Just curious if anyone has any insight on this, cause if we can't unlock it I'm definitely moving on to another carrier, personally. Or at least I'll buy international unlocked or Google editions in the future. Thanks and f at&t and Knox!
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whmgreen said:
Are us At&t custom ROM users going to have to move on to greener pastures with this Knox bs or will someone unlock the s4, note 3, and s5 (when it comes out) bootloaders at some point? Just curious if anyone has any insight on this, cause if we can't unlock it I'm definitely moving on to another carrier, personally. Or at least I'll buy international unlocked or Google editions in the future. Thanks and f at&t and Knox!
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Bootloader being locked has nothing to do with KNOX. And AT&T has already released an official statement a while back that said they plan on locking ALL carrier branded phones in the future.
I understand that they are locked. Now can you actually answer my question on whether or not someone will figure out how to unlock it?
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How would someone know that? There have been Bounty threads out for awhile and no luck. If they are still active you can follow them--
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I understand that they are locked. Now can you actually answer my question on whether or not someone will figure out how to unlock it?
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They lock them to keep people from hard bricking their devices. If it stinks...buy a Nexus or GPE device
I think we have to wait a while till the s4 becomes old news. Then att will care less about it and there will be less updates and more time for someone to find a crack or leak for the bootloader unlock and the carriers will care less
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I think I'll just be done with at&t then probably. It's too bad that companies won't allow you to do whatever you want with YOUR phone. That's why I never got an iPhone! I actually don't mind running stock TW but I don't want to be stuck with it forever. Thanks everyone!
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I think I'll just be done with at&t then probably. It's too bad that companies won't allow you to do whatever you want with YOUR phone. That's why I never got an iPhone! I actually don't mind running stock TW but I don't want to be stuck with it forever. Thanks everyone!
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Sad part is until it's paid off it not really your phone. Since they have a warranty for a year to cover issues it only makes sense. Now if they would provide an unlock after that warranty is up and the contract is settled then it would make sense.
Att will never have a unlocked device again, watch and see.....
And these are the reasons I'm going to be moving over to T-Mobile or nexus devices. Just tired of AT&T all together.
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Another view:
I will stay with ATT as Verizon is too expensive and TMO in my area has sh**ty reception. ATT has been perfect for me in that area.
Also, I have been a heavy flasher for almost 4 years. The phones now are powerful enough that flashing roms is not that important to me as it once was. If I can get root with Xposed/Gravity Box/3Minit I am good. Plus there are fairly good backup apps now that Nandroiding isn't that critical.
I don't see much more coming my way, after this year, in improvements I am interested in. Something like a Note4 or S5 would be as far as I care to go.
All IMHO of course
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I thought that I read somewhere on a T-Mobile thread that the latest update locked the bootloader on the S4. Was that incorrect?
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I thought that I read somewhere on a T-Mobile thread that the latest update locked the bootloader on the S4. Was that incorrect?
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I'd go to the note 3 if I swapped to T-Mobile. I'm honestly tired of the s4 and the features don't wow me anymore plus the note 3 would be better in spec wise as well.
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I thought that I read somewhere on a T-Mobile thread that the latest update locked the bootloader on the S4. Was that incorrect?
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The i337 bl was always locked but the loki-doki exploit bypassed sig check and allowed us to flash recoveries and kernels. With mf3 they closed that loophole by "blowing the Q-Fuse", whatever that is. Googled it but forgot what I read.
And now you are limited to flashing mostly TW roms <4.4. No custom recoveries/kernels.
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The i337 bl was always locked but the loki-doki exploit bypassed sig check and allowed us to flash recoveries and kernels. With mf3 they closed that loophole by "blowing the Q-Fuse", whatever that is. Googled it but forgot what I read.
And now you are limited to flashing mostly TW roms <4.4. No custom recoveries/kernels.
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I'm not talking about a I337 from AT&T. I was talking about a T-Mobile M919 or do they use the exact same firmware?
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I'm not talking about a I337 from AT&T. I was talking about a T-Mobile M919 or do they use the exact same firmware?
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lol ok, in that case i have no idea

Verizon Developer Edition

Hopefully this version comes out, I did see an unlocked model, but that is only for GSM and Sprint.
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-specs-2014 XT1092
dewhashish said:
Hopefully this version comes out, I did see an unlocked model, but that is only for GSM and Sprint.
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-specs-2014 XT1092
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all i know is VZW is locked so they better offer me the Dev Edition today when the regulars go on sale at 12noon central time. :fingers-crossed:
Just came here to check on this. Is there any info on if there will be a VZW Dev Edition? I assume price is $550 for 32gb version, which is a pretty penny but will be worth it.
Most likely will come out same time as unlocked version right? Sept 25th rumored?
Either no verizon de or a miscommunication.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=434017
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Either no verizon de or a miscommunication.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=434017
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Well, that's discouraging. I really hope they reconsider that decision.
I hope that information is wrong, total bummer if true.
The only real reason I need an unlocked bootloader is to tether (for free). I have unlimited and I use my hotspot to run my tablet a LOT.
Come'on Verizon!
man hold on..let the roll out start before we jump to conclusion about no VZW Dev edition.. there is no way they wont offer one. they made money this way last time. i bought at the damn 700 dollar range first day offered.
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Punit Soni confirmed that there is NO Dev edition for Verizon.
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Punit Soni confirmed that there is NO Dev edition for Verizon.
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This will be the reason I'm going to leave VZW even though I still have unlimited data. What a crock [emoji35]
I found this though, but it might just be the unlocked version I posted about at the beginning
http://phandroid.com/2014/09/05/bootloader-unlocked-moto-x-2nd-gen-2014/
What did they say about the first generation developers edition when It was first announced? I'm hoping they are just giving Verizon a month or so head start with the standard version before releasing one. The first Google+ thread did mention that it was just "at this time".
I think Justin case unlocked the boot loader on the original X, maybe it will work for this one too
The newest bootloader on the original MX has yet to be broken, but I have saw talk of the firmware before the last update being include on Sunshine that @jcase created. Hopefully he will get a Verizon model when It is released.
Edit-I just realized that info in my post had already been posted
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...eration-moto-x-developer-edition-for-verizon/
**** nuggets
This sucks for sure! But I hope we can get root at least!
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I bet Verizon is avoiding releasing a dev edition this year because they sold way more than they wanted to last year. For Verizon the less people with unlocked phones the better, that's how they see it anyhow.
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trentonmc24 said:
I bet Verizon is avoiding releasing a dev edition this year because they sold way more than they wanted to last year. For Verizon the less people with unlocked phones the better, that's how they see it anyhow.
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I'm curious to see if they offer any developer editions from this point forward ... If they do, why single out the X? (unless it really sold that badly and this was a choice made by Motorola, not Verizon)
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YankInDaSouth said:
I'm curious to see if they offer any developer editions from this point forward ... If they do, why single out the X?
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If they do then my theory may be wrong.
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YankInDaSouth said:
I'm curious to see if they offer any developer editions from this point forward ... If they do, why single out the X? (unless it really sold that badly and this was a choice made by Motorola, not Verizon)
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I'm betting it was a choice made by Motorola. I bought a 2013 Dev edition about 2 weeks ago and it had a build date of January. If I'm getting January stock in August then it did not sale well at all. [emoji20]

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