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Froyo FM radio? what gives?

I thought that was appart of the update? I don't seem to have that? Is it like the trackball that they released the driver/api and some dev has to make a app to use it now? I was hopeful for the transmitter more than a reciver but I guess I am a big dreamer ;-)

That was never confirmed to be apart of the update - it was simply speculation that evolved into false hope.

Do we know for sure that the FM hardware exists?

wick12345 said:
I thought that was appart of the update?
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Can you provide a link to where/when Google stated that it would be part of 2.2?
Bet you can't

AndroidPerson said:
Do we know for sure that the FM hardware exists?
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Yes we do...
Oddly, an app called "HTC Radio Info" is in the manage applications, all tab. Not sure if this has already been discussed?
Anyways, it was never confirmed, just speculated upon. And if it is an API, then I am sure we will see something come of it in due time.

Well, I have been skeptical about the FM radio because of the chip name.
"Of interest is a Broadcom chip labeled Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG. Why? Well, the BCM4329 (albeit, without the "EKUBG" qualifier) is capable of 802.11n (HTC only lists 802.11b/g) WiFi in addition to FM transmitter and receiver."
The chip name is not the same as the one with FM t/r but has been said to have it, which is pure speculation.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329

But the Nexus One DOES have a wireless N radio and you can connect to N only networks.

evilkorn said:
Well, I have been skeptical about the FM radio because of the chip name.
"Of interest is a Broadcom chip labeled Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG. Why? Well, the BCM4329 (albeit, without the "EKUBG" qualifier) is capable of 802.11n (HTC only lists 802.11b/g) WiFi in addition to FM transmitter and receiver."
The chip name is not the same as the one with FM t/r but has been said to have it, which is pure speculation.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
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Yes, and in addition even if the chip supports it the fm radio section might not be connected. On these types of devices that have fm receivers they are usually wired to use the headphones as an antenna since an fm antenna is far too large to fit in the device. Ours might not have that much needed connection.
Mike

IF we got it this would not be the first device I have owned that a supposedly not working/not connected fm radio module suddenly became a working/connected fm module. Not saying one way or the other but its absence is not absolute proof.

Paul from modaco has managed to get it to tune into stations, but just not get any audio out.

krabman said:
IF we got it this would not be the first device I have owned that a supposedly not working/not connected fm radio module suddenly became a working/connected fm module. Not saying one way or the other but its absence is not absolute proof.
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It has a precedent, though - update for HTC Touch CDMA (HTC Vogue) enabling GPS receiver that was unused until then, existing in Qualcomm MSM7500 CPU of the Vogue.
So it was done before. The question is - would Google bother or would they just skip it and leave it to the community (if it's feasible at all, given that Desire has the same chip and connections - which isn't confirmed).

Thats what I mean I had a touch diamond NAM version with supposedly no fm because of some hardware deal and sure enough despite HTCs assurances that it could not be done the community got fm going after a time. I would bet there are other examples besides these.

FM for fascinate???

Samsung Fascinate have Fm Radio, but I don't find app its. Can I set app for my Cell. thanks

Huh? Could you reword that question? Its hard to understand what you mean.

Although I think this is a General Forum Question, I think he is trying to say.... "The Fascinate has an FM radio, but I can not find the App.... Where can I find said app to use the FM radio..."
Answer: Doesn't exist..

there is an FM radio in it?
Don't you think thats something they would advertise?
Highly doubtful

If there is a FM capable chip on board, we currently don't have any apps for it.
I don't believe that we have a FM chip in this phone.

I found on gsmarena the specs of this phone and realize that the phone has "FM radio with RDS". ^^. lol.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_fascinate-3492.php

Could this be a feature that froyo will enable? I seem to remember this happening to a friend of mine when his incredible was updated to 2.2; he got the radio & the flashlight.
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it would be a nice little addition, however I think I would still prefer pandora or one of the many other internet radio apps.

The FM radio was listed on the first pre-release spec listings, but was removed from later listings. The prevailing theory is that the Fascinate was originally going to have an FM radio, but it was scrapped (like how we were supposed to have Media Hub like the other Galaxy S phones but are stuck with VCast). I wouldn't count on the hardware being there. The Incredible's FM tuner was functional with 2.1 (I can vouch for that firsthand).

FM radio stations are lobbying to make FM radio receivers mandatory in phones in the US (in exchange for paying higher fees).
Because of that, several phone manufacturers and chip makers have had the hardware put in their devices as a just in case measure. For instance you may find a Broadcom chip that controls the wifi and phone radio to have an fm receiver as well. In any case, these specifications sometimes fluctuate.
However, without actual drivers to run said unsupported tech, the issue is moot.
Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.

Falcyn said:
The FM radio was listed on the first pre-release spec listings, but was removed from later listings. The prevailing theory is that the Fascinate was originally going to have an FM radio, but it was scrapped
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+1 on this... Exactly what happened

Fm transmitter

The galaxy s2 uses the broadcom BCM4330 chip which has an fm transmitter built into the chip. Does this mean it has an fm transmitter?
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4330
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I bloody hope so! I think this was similar with the Nexus One or the Desire but it was never used.
Perhaps one of the XDA devs will harbour something up when the source is released by Samsung.

Built in FM transmitter would be awesome, hope this is true.
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i was excited abut milestone having a chip that had fm transmitter. forget about transmitting it never even received an fm signal. form previous experience i am not very optimistic.

would be amazing if this was true

Andy2.2 said:
would be amazing if this was true
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It would, but I imagine they'd have communicated it if it was present. That's a pretty cool selling point.

awesome-member said:
i was excited abut milestone having a chip that had fm transmitter. forget about transmitting it never even received an fm signal. form previous experience i am not very optimistic.
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These chips have support for alot of features that the manufacturers dont utilise, unfortunately. since the S2 does have an fm reciever, hopefully it should just be a matter of tweaking it to transmit a signal? funny thing is the chip also supports Bluetooth 4.0, wonder if that means we'll be able to update to 4.0 once its officially released.
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It would, but I imagine they'd have communicated it if it was present. That's a pretty cool selling point.
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Then again they don't even advertise the fact it supports hdmi out which is a bigger selling point, for me anyway. Even the phone shop assistant who sold me the phone said it doesn't have hdmi out.
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no it will never get activated just like the previous versions of samsung omnia hd

It will maybe never get activated by samsung, but what can we do about this?
Is there an possibility to activate the transmitter and what do we need for doing that?
Maybe if we find a phone with activated transmitter (same chip) and software it would be possible (but i dont know an android phone whit this speccs).
This feature would be making this phone perfect for me (because i use it a lot on my old nokia n85) and i am not the only one who would like this.

yeah would be pritty good but dont think its gana happen ... :/

It depends on wiring of the hardware! If you have a chip which includes a transmitter than you have only one part of an working transmitter. The other part is a antenna connected to the chip and maybe an amplifier between them. If the "transmiter output" ins't connected to anything then there is no chance to use it...

HTC_Spree said:
It depends on wiring of the hardware! If you have a chip which includes a transmitter than you have only one part of an working transmitter. The other part is a antenna connected to the chip and maybe an amplifier between them. If the "transmiter output" ins't connected to anything then there is no chance to use it...
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I just have to ask... Can anyone confirm this? Or is there any news on this topic? It is very interesting for me!

Probably not connected by samsung. I recall the hardware is also capable of more than the supported signal bands, but samsung chose to not use that feature.

Ok guys, what's new about FM transmitter on our sgs2?
Please, can someone try to start developing something?

Our s2 is getting smarter and better day by day
Send from my Samsung Galaxy S II

a chip being capable of and the whole parts doing the stuff are 2 different things.
In the broadcomm's datasheet there are all the things that the chip is capable of doing it.
But, let put it this way: The chip is capable to use 3g network but in order to do it you need a 3g radio part in it.
The same with the fm transmitter. In order to use that feature you need a real fm transmitter in the phone, a radio transmitter, a piece, a device, a part, you get the point.
And i am afraid that our good old SGSII does not have a fm transmitter in it.

Wow nice to hear that chip has integrated built in fm transmitter.. Would love if anyone develops something to utilise that..
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virani_joush said:
Wow nice to hear that chip has integrated built in fm transmitter.. Would love if anyone develops something to utilise that..
Sent from my GT-I9100
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Would love if anyone would read the post above it.

i9305 Teardown

Hey guys,
before I hijack another Thread again, have som high-res pictures of the i9305 Board. I identified the Chips I could, but I couldn't get Info on all of them... I am posting this because we were wondering if the 9305 has FM Radio or not. (And it seems like it doesn't...)
Anyway find them pics here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nqqcbf0er57josh/Oaby-BzY9g
Cheers

Good Idea maybe someone with hardware knowledge can confirm But i cant see anything that looks like the chip andreilux was showing and that chip in the same location is blurry i cant see how many legs it has or any numbers on it
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This is also an interesting read
http://www.nab.org/xert/scitech/pdfs/rd031411.pdf
Which is probably why the dumbass samsung worker said its up to the carriers if they wish to include fm software maybe she was mistaken with another galaxy but unless someone can confirm it has the hardware then that worker obviously doesnt know what she is talking about
And I was doing a search and It came up under the I9300 detailed analasys a list of all the I9300 hardware
Network:
Broadcom BCM4334 - latest ultra low power solution for smartphones
Wi-fi 802.11 a/b/g/n
Bluetooth 4
Contains FM receiver (unused, Si4709 instead) <<<<<< Does this mean that the broadcom also has a fm receiver but they dont use it instead they use the SiLabs Silicon chip?
Does the I9305 have the Broadcom BCM4334??

I don't know about the Broadcom Chip, but I suspect it as this one Chip I couldn't identify... Yes, this one has a FM Receiver, but it also may be useless if it's not connected anywhere. We don't know that and we can't test that. At least I can't with my humble equipment

langer hans said:
I don't know about the Broadcom Chip, but I suspect it as this one Chip I couldn't identify... Yes, this one has a FM Receiver, but it also may be useless if it's not connected anywhere. We don't know that and we can't test that. At least I can't with my humble equipment
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http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4334
If you read there it says .... The chip includes IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n single-stream MAC/baseband/radio, Bluetooth 4.0 + HS, and an integrated FM radio receiver.
I thought if its on the board it means its already wired up

A Chip beeing on a board doesn't imply it beeing fully wired up. Maybe they get a good price for this chip so they don't care about the FM part. And for why they used another chip on the 9300: I guess it was easier to layout. Maybe better reception, license fees or whatnot.

ahh well there goes that idea then... lol
I was reading this thread before http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1059296
Mentions a list of products and ours was in the list but note what it says. Its funny how everyone says maybe this maybe that
Says:
These devices will likely never be able to support FM with Spirit or any FM app: (But you never know. OG Motorola Droid was found to be FM audio capable, almost 3 years after introduction in Oct. 2009)
This was in the list
- Samsung Galaxy S3 US/Canada/Japan SC-06D/etc LTE versions do not have needed WCN3660 and Broadcom combo chip FM antenna pin not connected. GT-i9305 also appears incapable of FM. NEW: GT-i9305 / 9305T may have FM hardware, but stock, un-rooted ROMs are not capable.
I also found out yes we do have the BroadCom 4334 its a Murata chipset with FM capabilities But I think one pin of the chip is not connected to anything and that is the FM. Even the I9300 have this chipset and the same pin is not connected they instead use the SiLabs FM chipset

btemtd said:
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These devices will likely never be able to support FM with Spirit or any FM app: (But you never know. OG Motorola Droid was found to be FM audio capable, almost 3 years after introduction in Oct. 2009)
This was in the list
- Samsung Galaxy S3 US/Canada/Japan SC-06D/etc LTE versions do not have needed WCN3660 and Broadcom combo chip FM antenna pin not connected. GT-i9305 also appears incapable of FM. NEW: GT-i9305 / 9305T may have FM hardware, but stock, un-rooted ROMs are not capable.
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Well, what I write there is based on what you guys are saying and we're all trying to find out together.
Re: telephone reps on the subject of whether or not a device supports FM: They seem to be accurate about 50-60% of the time. In fairness to them, they get little info from above and are not usually too tech savvy.
To many of these phone/support people, "FM" can include all the streaming apps that have "FM" in the title (when IMO they should say "streaming" or similar.) And there are SO many phones, and variants of hardware and software, coming out at a frantic pace, that it's difficult for them or ANY of us to figure out what's going on, unless we see a stock FM app, and someone reports it works.
As for the Broadcom BCM4330/4334/etc. chips for Bluetooth/Wifi, yes they all have FM receive (and transmit, but don't ask) hardware capability. But I think at least half of the devices using them don't use the FM part, and don't have the antenna pin(s) connected, nor the audio pins. And Broadcom has most of the market for "combo" chips.
So far I think every higher end Galaxy device uses Broadcom for Bluetooth and WiFi, and not a single one uses the FM part. This includes Galaxy S/S2/S3/Note/Note2/Player. If any of these devices has FM, it's via a dedicated Silicon Labs chip: Si4709 or Si4705 on GS3 at least.

Trying to clarify the stories of reports of FM on GT-i9305:
- The Youtube video demo showed an FM app. AFAICT that person started the app and heard radio type static, but no signals. He said he was in a rural area with few signals, so who knows.
But I've written elsewhere that I think hearing static is a good sign, as it proves the audio path and FM chip are there, IMO.
- My second point relates to the Note2. I previously mistakenly thought it was for 9305, but it was Note2, perhaps the GT-i7100 model. But there are similarities between Note2 (or at least the GT-i7105 variant) and GT-i9305.
Around the time of unveiling of the Note2 I saw videos that briefly showed an FM app in the app drawer. But I don't recall any video/demo showing the FM app working, or any specific claim it was tried and worked.
- Before anyone brings it up, Internet phone spec sites are notoriously bad at small detail accuracy, particularly for FM.

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Trying to clarify the stories of reports of FM on GT-i9305:
- The Youtube video demo showed an FM app. AFAICT that person started the app and heard radio type static, but no signals. He said he was in a rural area with few signals, so who knows.
But I've written elsewhere that I think hearing static is a good sign, as it proves the audio path and FM chip are there, IMO.
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The sound platforms are different for all the devices. Fact is globally all LTE variations of the S3 and Note 2 lack FM radio support, even if they magically had the hardware or pin-ups, the basic defconfig in all the kernels have the FM_RADIO base configuration turned off, not to mention the lack of GPIO pin definitions to it in any of the boards.

I would love to see a teardown of a 9305T now to see if they've installed another bandfilter to 'break' 2100MHz reception!!!

I see a chip in the GT-i9305 pics in the same position as the si4705 FM chip on the GT-i9300. It's about half the length and width (1/4 area) as on the GT-i9300 but it's there.
It could be a Silicon Labs FM chip in a smaller package size, and that's my "bet" for what it is.
In the "FM is off topic, please don't post about FM" thread, I think the best page of posts is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1932997&page=6 . AndreiLux posted a pic there showing the Si4705 between the Murata/Broadcom BT/WiFi/FM combo module/chip and the chip.
BTW, the Si4705 is U203 in the GT-i9300 service manual. There's an error claiming the Si4705 is u711, which is actually a big camera chip I guess.
There are GT-i9305 pics here: http://imgur.com/a/ypxOf#aS29c and I think best pic/resolution is pic 6 of 11 (0?) here: http://imgur.com/a/ypxOf#aS29c
In that pic 6, the Murata/Broadcom module is at lower left. Immediately to it's right is a small surface mount component at top, and below it what may be a chip.
Move to the right from the component and you see what I think is the Silicon Labs FM chip. There are several solder bumps.
For reference, further to the right and below is the white push button switch.
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Software wise, my suspicion would be that a kernel for the GT-i9300 that supported the chip would "magically" support this alleged FM chip, using whatever constants and port values worked for 9300. It's the same Exynos SOC pretty much, and the board layouts are similar, right ?

ewok666 said:
I would love to see a teardown of a 9305T now to see if they've installed another bandfilter to 'break' 2100MHz reception!!!
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The I9305 Runs on the 2100mhz are you saying that the I9305T may not?
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Software wise, my suspicion would be that a kernel for the GT-i9300 that supported the chip would "magically" support this alleged FM chip, using whatever constants and port values worked for 9300. It's the same Exynos SOC pretty much, and the board layouts are similar, right ?
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Yes its the same exynos SOC and layous are similar .
Maybe andreilux has some input on your post, its very interesting.

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Yes its the same exynos SOC and layous are similar .
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Thanks for the email log. So yours is a 9305 on Vodafone AU ?
I have another log from a 9305T on Telstra AU, but it wasn't rooted so I get less info.
The only sign of FM on either device is the "FM In" control in the ALSA audio driver. This doesn't prove anything one way or another though; "phantom" controls on variants are common.
If anyone can look closer at the FM chip and Murata module area, please do, and if you can, post high res pictures.
Besides that I look forward to someone building and installing a kernel with the Samsung Si4709_driver / radio-si4709-i2c drivers enabled, either in the main kernel or as loadable *.ko drivers. There are alternative V4L drivers for si470x but the Samsung ones are preferred for my app, and needed for the Samsung app.
IMO, a kernel dev could pretty much use the config from a GT-i9300.
These investigations usually end in defeat, and I could be wrong, but I'm feeling optimistic about this one with the evidence so far.
I see 4 kernel variants:
GT-I9305
GT-I930N
GT-I9305T_SEA
GT-I9305_HK
All use arch/arm/configs/m3_00_defconfig and none have the FM driver enabled. Interestingly GT-I9305_HK m3_00_variant_defconfig has some stuff for variants, but nothing impacts FM:
3vzw="CONFIG_TARGET_LOCALE_USA=y CONFIG_MACH_M3_USA_VZW=y"
m3vzw_undef="TARGET_LOCALE_EUR \
SND_USE_LINEOUT_SWITCH USB_SERIAL_CSVT"
m3spr="CONFIG_TARGET_LOCALE_USA=y CONFIG_MACH_M3_USA_SPR=y"
m3spr_undef="TARGET_LOCALE_EUR \
SND_USE_LINEOUT_SWITCH USB_SERIAL_CSVT"
m3tmo="CONFIG_TARGET_LOCALE_USA=y CONFIG_MACH_M3_USA_TMO=y"
m3tmo_undef="TARGET_LOCALE_EUR \
SND_USE_LINEOUT_SWITCH USB_SERIAL_CSVT"
m3att="CONFIG_TARGET_LOCALE_USA=y CONFIG_MACH_M3_USA_ATT=y"
m3att_undef="TARGET_LOCALE_EUR \
SND_USE_LINEOUT_SWITCH USB_SERIAL_CSVT"
m3dcm="CONFIG_TARGET_LOCALE_JPN=y CONFIG_MACH_M3_JPN_DCM=y \
CONFIG_EXYNOS4_MSHC_SUPPORT_PQPRIME_EPLL=y \
CONFIG_FELICA=y CONFIG_ISDBT=y CONFIG_ISDBT_FC8150=y"
m3dcm_undef="TARGET_LOCALE_EUR \
SND_USE_LINEOUT_SWITCH USB_SERIAL_CSVT NFC_DEVICES PN65N_NFC"
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From the m0_00_defconfig file for GT-i9300 I think we need these 3 lines, but not sure about "Samsung Modules":
CONFIG_SAMSUNG_MODULES=y
CONFIG_FM_RADIO=y
CONFIG_FM_SI4705=y

mikereidis said:
Thanks for the email log. So yours is a 9305 on Vodafone AU ?
I have another log from a 9305T on Telstra AU, but it wasn't rooted so I get less info.
The only sign of FM on either device is the "FM In" control in the ALSA audio driver. This doesn't prove anything one way or another though; "phantom" controls on variants are common.
If anyone can look closer at the FM chip and Murata module area, please do, and if you can, post high res pictures.
Besides that I look forward to someone building and installing a kernel with the Samsung Si4709_driver / radio-si4709-i2c drivers enabled, either in the main kernel or as loadable *.ko drivers. There are alternative V4L drivers for si470x but the Samsung ones are preferred for my app, and needed for the Samsung app.
IMO, a kernel dev could pretty much use the config from a GT-i9300.
These investigations usually end in defeat, and I could be wrong, but I'm feeling optimistic about this one with the evidence so far.
Downloading the Samung kernel source now to see if their config disables the FM driver. Will edit this post with an answer.
I see 4 kernel variants:
GT-I9305
GT-I930N
GT-I9305T_SEA
GT-I9305_HK
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Yes Vodafone is my network provider, I will see if OP can get High res pics... And Andreilux already made the kernel with FM but didnt want to release it untill 100% sure about FM... becuase it may brick a device??

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Yes Vodafone is my network provider, I will see if OP can get High res pics... And Andreilux already made the kernel with FM but didnt want to release it untill 100% sure about FM... becuase it may brick a device??
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I seriously doubt bricking potential, but with software you never ever know for sure until you try. Communications with the chip is via I2C, not potentially dangerous GPIOs. but there are some GPIOs used for power and who knows what else.
I note that this is a somewhat new si4705 driver Samsung has in drivers/samsung/fm_si47xx for GT-i9300, although it seems little different from the Galaxy S/S2/Note fm_si4709 driver, at first glance at least.
For anyone interested, there is some useful information here about FM missing from the original US LTE GS3s, compared to GT-i9300: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31576462
There are various pics, schematic excerpts and a bit about the differences with Si4705 versus the si4709 of the International Galaxy S/S2/Notes.

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The I9305 Runs on the 2100mhz are you saying that the I9305T may not?
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No, I'm saying that on past 'T' models the 2100MHz band was attenuated to reduce signal and make them prefer other bands. This is a link but the discussion has been had here before and you should be able to find pictures showing the element discussed.
http://webdevsys.com/gt-i9100t.htm

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I seriously doubt bricking potential, but with software you never ever know for sure until you try. Communications with the chip is via I2C, not potentially dangerous GPIOs. but there are some GPIOs used for power and who knows what else.
I note that this is a somewhat new si4705 driver Samsung has in drivers/samsung/fm_si47xx for GT-i9300, although it seems little different from the Galaxy S/S2/Note fm_si4709 driver, at first glance at least.
For anyone interested, there is some useful information here about FM missing from the original US LTE GS3s, compared to GT-i9300: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31576462
There are various pics, schematic excerpts and a bit about the differences with Si4705 versus the si4709 of the International Galaxy S/S2/Notes.
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Good research Mike! we'll just wait till andreilux joins the convo, as he has the knowledge of creating the Kernel side.
Also you might like to know that apparently the Law in hong kong restricts the use of Fm radio in Mobile devices, as i have been told by a few suppliers.

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No, I'm saying that on past 'T' models the 2100MHz band was attenuated to reduce signal and make them prefer other bands. This is a link but the discussion has been had here before and you should be able to find pictures showing the element discussed.
http://webdevsys.com/gt-i9100t.htm
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Whether it's true or not, my i9305T appears to have equal or better reception on optus than my i9000 (hard to tell 100% but it certainly crazy fast with H+ at my home! My i9000 was almost always crawling on H (hsdpa? the naming scheme really confuses me). I may try to install a stock i9305 modem in future to test though

Well i know for a fact the i9305 is fine on every network in australia just depends on the providor on what speed and quality you will get. And yes we have Dc-hspa+ which is 2 times faster then normal 3g hspa+ ...which is why your getting high speeds. Our phone will still only show h+ if we are on DC i already looked into that .Just imagine 4g.. browsing will go on yet a whole other level again! Lol
I think the 9305t is the same thing to be honest unless telstra did restrict a band to force people to stick with them. That is what you would call a big shifty company.
Becausr the i9300t was the same as the i9300. So i am only assuming this would be the same
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The I9305 Runs on the 2100mhz are you saying that the I9305T may not?
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Yes its the same exynos SOC and layous are similar .
Maybe andreilux has some input on your post, its very interesting.
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btemtd said:
Well i know for a fact the i9305 is fine on every network in australia just depends on the providor on what speed and quality you will get. And yes we have Dc-hspa+ which is 2 times faster then normal 3g hspa+ ...which is why your getting high speeds. Our phone will still only show h+ if we are on DC i already looked into that .Just imagine 4g.. browsing will go on yet a whole other level again! Lol
I think the 9305t is the same thing to be honest unless telstra did restrict a band to force people to stick with them. That is what you would call a big shifty company.
Becausr the i9300t was the same as the i9300. So i am only assuming this would be the same
Sent from my GT-I9305 using xda app-developers app
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Can't say much about the i9300 vs i9300T or the i9305 for that matter BUT what I do know is that the i9100 was supposed to be the same as the i9100T and it very clearly was not. From my own experience the i9100T was sh1t in some areas where an i9100 was perfectly fine and a teardown showed a bandfilter where the i9100 had none.
On Whirlpool is a guy who flashed the Singapore firmware onto his Telstra i9305T and promptly lost 4G. He flashed back the Telstra firmware and got 4G back. I have the Singapore firmware on an i9305 (non T) and my 4G works just fine.
Now, you tell me what to conclude from this but I will not spend a single cent on another T model....I just don't need this kind of crap! (and by crap I don't mean the phone itself but rather the practice of crippling something that works perfectly fine just so you can force your customers one way or the other!)

[Q] FM Radio on Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 Note 3?

I use the FM radio on my SII. I am aware of various streaming radio apps, but a proper FM radio is a must-have for me.
The S4 doesn't have one and this is the only reason I still have my SII now.
The Note 3 looks great and - despite much searching and a post which got lost in general queries - I have no idea if it has an FM radio or not. If I buy, I'll probably get it from Expansys - link.
So, does anybody know? Does the Snapdragon-flavour Note 3 have an FM radio?

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I use the FM radio on my SII. I am aware of various streaming radio apps, but a proper FM radio is a must-have for me.
The S4 doesn't have one and this is the only reason I still have my SII now.
The Note 3 looks great and - despite much searching and a post which got lost in general queries - I have no idea if it has an FM radio or not. If I buy, I'll probably get it from Expansys - link.
So, does anybody know? Does the Snapdragon-flavour Note 3 have an FM radio?
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Historically the Qualcomm Snapdragon series has included an FM radio so here's to hoping at least the LTE variant has the FM radio.

From comments I have read it seems it's not included this time. But perhaps someone who was at IFA could actually comment if they got hands on time with it.

DCLocal said:
Historically the Qualcomm Snapdragon series has included an FM radio so here's to hoping at least the LTE variant has the FM radio.
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The Qualcomm S4 doesn't have one, either.

Thanks for all the replies - appreciated!
I know this isn't a big deal for many, but FM radio is for me. I'm confused why - certainly in the case of the S4 - Samsung appear to have just not bothered; the chipsets used in these devices have FM available. I know why Apple phones don't have FM - potential threat to itunes - but why would Samsung do the same? I don't accept their previous argument "The flagship model of our products are focused on customers who use digital content" as it sounds weak and like something that was just made up.
Anyway.
It looks like I will have to wait a little longer so ...

I don't know about all details of the GNote3 and how easy or how soon its users will be able to root it.
But if it doesn't come with stock FM Radio , once you get root, you can get a FM radio app (no streaming) called Spirit FM, which works like a charm:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mikersmicros.fm_unlock&hl=eng
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betoNL said:
I don't know about all details of the GNote3 and how easy or how soon its users will be able to root it.
But if it doesn't come with stock FM Radio , once you get root, you can get a FM radio app (no streaming) called Spirit FM, which works like a charm:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mikersmicros.fm_unlock&hl=eng
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I heard of that, but even Spirit FM needs some hardware to be there and it's not on the S4

On the mega all lte variants do not have fm but non lte do.
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thering1975 said:
On the mega all lte variants do not have fm but non lte do.
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The version I'd get would be the one like Expansys in the UK have on pre-order: link. And it's the LTE version
If what you say above applies to the Note 3 as well, then that's another sale lost :crying:

same here
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I use the FM radio on my SII. I am aware of various streaming radio apps, but a proper FM radio is a must-have for me.
The S4 doesn't have one and this is the only reason I still have my SII now.
The Note 3 looks great and - despite much searching and a post which got lost in general queries - I have no idea if it has an FM radio or not. If I buy, I'll probably get it from Expansys - link.
So, does anybody know? Does the Snapdragon-flavour Note 3 have an FM radio?
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Its like I wrote your post, I even have my S2, you are 100% right about FM, there are places like the subway, you cant have 3g reception for streaming, and also on roaming its not free!
Nonetheless I will dissapoint you, on IFA hands on reviews I noticed that there wasnt an fm radio app in the app drawer, or in any folder. Also on gsmarena.com in the specs they had added the stereo fm radio, but today I checked and instead they put TBC (to be configured)
Finaly as a solution you could get the note 2 (which has fm radio) much cheaper and miss out on the 3's new features.
Despite the lack of fm, I am thinking of getting the note 3 maybe in the 2014 (it will be about 250 € cheaper)

SPYRO80 said:
Its like I wrote your post, I even have my S2, you are 100% right about FM, there are places like the subway, you cant have 3g reception for streaming, and also on roaming its not free!
Nonetheless I will dissapoint you, on IFA hands on reviews I noticed that there wasnt an fm radio app in the app drawer, or in any folder. Also on gsmarena.com in the specs they had added the stereo fm radio, but today I checked and instead they put TBC (to be configured)
Finaly as a solution you could get the note 2 (which has fm radio) much cheaper and miss out on the 3's new features.
Despite the lack of fm, I am thinking of getting the note 3 maybe in the 2014 (it will be about 250 € cheaper)
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I've also seen different answers on spec sheets for the Note 3 regarding FM radio. The Samsung micro site (link) simply doesn't mention it at all.
On the basis the the Note 3 could have FM radio, I think I'll still hold out some hope that it does.
In the meantime, my 2.5 years old S2 continues to work flawlessly. The thing is, I don't need a Note 3, but I do want one

Frankly I've just bought a 5 euro mini MP3 player. Added bonus: 5 hours more battery life on my phone.
That said my iPod (it was a gift! There are no Android mp3 players ) has an FM radio so I don't really need the mp3 player, but it makes a useful backup.
Easier solution than skipping every phone you really want because it doesn't have an FM radio.
Principle is fine and all, but the companies don't notice nor care if one person refuses to buy it over a missing FM radio (They're expecting to sell 5 million Note 3's. What's one person?), and the only person negatively affected by you refusing to buy it is you.

Att Note 2 didn't have an fm radio either. As thering1975 said with the Mega, only non LTE phones have it, and Att Note 2 was with LTE. With the international Note 2 it was the same, LTE version didn't have it while the 3G version did. I suppose the LTE radio takes up the space occupied by the fm radio. Sorry I would use it a lot too if it had it.
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According to this Dutch site (roughly translated) the Note 3 does have fm radio:
http://translate.googleusercontent....radio/&usg=ALkJrhjCQFUjbn-D-8qHmQ9xDQDtyCflbQ
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I changed my mobile 2 months ago. didn't buy s4 or note 2 LTE, purely because they don't have FM radio.

betoNL said:
According to this Dutch site (roughly translated) the Note 3 does have fm radio:
http://translate.googleusercontent....radio/&usg=ALkJrhjCQFUjbn-D-8qHmQ9xDQDtyCflbQ
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Looks like they were getting their information from GSMarena according to the update on the top of page. Does it have FM still remains to be seen I guess

I want to switch from SII.
but the "fm radio" does not exist, will not buy.

ShadowLea said:
Frankly I've just bought a 5 euro mini MP3 player. Added bonus: 5 hours more battery life on my phone.
That said my iPod (it was a gift! There are no Android mp3 players ) has an FM radio so I don't really need the mp3 player, but it makes a useful backup.
Easier solution than skipping every phone you really want because it doesn't have an FM radio.
Principle is fine and all, but the companies don't notice nor care if one person refuses to buy it over a missing FM radio (They're expecting to sell 5 million Note 3's. What's one person?), and the only person negatively affected by you refusing to buy it is you.
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My S2 works fine - and has FM, so I'm not really loosing out if I don't buy. I also have one of those tiny FM bluetooth headsets - Sony MW600 - which I could use. I just don't want to.
But you're right - I don't think Samsung will worry too much over it

Xalies said:
Looks like they were getting their information from GSMarena according to the update on the top of page. Does it have FM still remains to be seen I guess
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Yes I saw it..
And that pic is also of a GNote 2
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arabbitte said:
My S2 works fine - and has FM, so I'm not really loosing out if I don't buy. I also have one of those tiny FM bluetooth headsets - Sony MW600 - which I could use. I just don't want to.
But you're right - I don't think Samsung will worry too much over it
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Sardunya said:
I want to switch from SII.
but the "fm radio" does not exist, will not buy.
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Allow me to make a suggestion:
Galaxy Note2 (N7100) is a kickass phone and got FM radio.
Its price is going down (due launch of the newer S4 and Note3) meaning you will get a lot of phone for a much smaller price tag.
An excellent upgrade if you are coming from the S2.
You will be mesmerized with its sound quality (wolfson DAC), gorgeous screen , amazing GPS/GLONASS performance, and the best battery performance of them all
Did I mention the much lower price?
Definitely the best buy if you are new to the N series....
I am keeping mine for a while longer, not in a hurry at all to move on to the Note3
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After seeing a lots of hands on videos , the app drawer doesnt have FM radio app in snapdragon variant but I'm not sure of the Exynos variant. So its almost confirmed no FM radio on S800 version