Next gen Note 10.1 and 12.2 - Galaxy Note 10.1 General

In the past month or so I have been preparing for the release of the next gen note tablets, according to rumors there will be two models released the 10.1 and the 12.2. The 12.2 was rumored to be released with the new exynos 5 octa core processor and the 10.1 was rumored to be released with the snapdragon 800, I was excited to find out that the 10.1 would be released with a snapdragon 800, the reason behind this is that based on what i have heard Qualcomm is more open to releasing drivers to developers for creating custom roms and what have you. In recent days I have been hearing rumors that the new note line of tablets will be released with Intel's atom based processors. the problem I have with this is that most Intel based devices I have tried have turned out to be very poor performers both in benchmarks and user experience. I would love to get more input from others on how this change might effect us the users when it comes to development, user experience and performance

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I9100 vs I9100G !!!!

I bought my Galaxy SII, a few days back. At that time i had option to choose between I9100 and I9100G, as the vendor had both. So, i preferred I9100 over I9100G.
Many of you, may have got I9100G, recently, as it is the new stock available. Samsung is trying to replace the original SII, i.e. I9100 with I9100G, in the markets of INDIA, MALAYSIA & SINGAPORE.
This is to fulfill the demands of GALAXY SII, which has increased vastly. So, to fulfill the demand, before it dies out, SAMSUNG has quietly slipped I9100G version, which has PowerVR TI OMAP 4430 processor, and not the Exynos 4210.
So, what i have researched and found out is that, it is better, if you can get an I9100, before it extincts, instead of getting stuck with "G".
By no means, i am saying that, I9100G, is bad, what i am trying to say here is that, its not as good as I9100's Exynos.
Some major differences which i found out are:-
1. Galaxy SII I9100 will be the first in the GALAXY family, to get an ICS update.
2. Exynos processors still have huge RAW power.
3. The isuue is GPU used in I9100G has PowerVR540 TI OMAP 4430, at 300 MHz,which is single core and weak, compared to MALI400MP+, which is quadcore inside Exynos.
******I am talking about GPU, and not single or dual core CPU******
4. Regarding future updates, I9100G users may be isolated, as I9100G is not replacing original I9100 in EU, and so many other countries.
5. Also, the development support for I9100, is much much much greater than I9100G. As majority of the community still uses I9100.
6. The overheating problem is very less in I9100G, as compared to I9100.
7. Battery, too performs well in I9100G.
8. But, both overheating, and battery improvement, doesn't comes without cost. I9100G doesn't gets overheated, because its cpu is clocked max at 1.008 Ghz, unlike 1.2Ghz in I9100. Same, helps with improved battery.
Well, these were the major issues which i pointed out.
Also, here i am just trying to convey knowledge, which i gained to others.I have not posted this to decide whats superior, its just a comaprison.
Any Opinions, or views is warmly welcomed.
Nice post. I suggest you head to Indian Galaxy SII owner thread for more details.
The Indian I9100G got an official 2.3.6 update via Samsung KIES and I9100 DIDNT get any update. Its still stuck on 2.3.3 in India, where as most of the world got 2.3.6 1-2 weeks back. So in short, Samsung has stopped supporting FW update for I9100 via KIES and OTA.
Check the thread for more details. Members are posting Samsung India on Facebook, Twitter, their customer support chat etc etc. Only way to upgrade Indian I9100 is to flash European Firmware.
spoiltz said:
I bought my Galaxy SII, a few days back. At that time i had option to choose between I9100 and I9100G, as the vendor had both. So, i preferred I9100 over I9100G.
Many of you, may have got I9100G, recently, as it is the new stock available. Samsung is trying to replace the original SII, i.e. I9100 with I9100G, in the markets of INDIA, MALAYSIA & SINGAPORE.
This is to fulfill the demands of GALAXY SII, which has increased vastly. So, to fulfill the demand, before it dies out, SAMSUNG has quietly slipped I9100G version, which has PowerVR TI OMAP 4430 processor, and not the Exynos 4210.
So, what i have researched and found out is that, it is better, if you can get an I9100, before it extincts, instead of getting stuck with "G".
By no means, i am saying that, I9100G, is bad, what i am trying to say here is that, its not as good as I9100's Exynos.
Some major differences which i found out are:-
1. Galaxy SII I9100 will be the first in the GALAXY family, to get an ICS update.
2. Exynos processors still have huge RAW power.
3. The isuue is GPU used in I9100G has PowerVR540 TI OMAP 4430, at 300 MHz,which is single core and weak, compared to MALI400MP+, which is quadcore inside Exynos.
******I am talking about GPU, and not single or dual core CPU******
4. Regarding future updates, I9100G users may be isolated, as I9100G is not replacing original I9100 in EU, and so many other countries.
5. Also, the development support for I9100, is much much much greater than I9100G. As majority of the community still uses I9100.
6. The overheating problem is very less in I9100G, as compared to I9100.
7. Battery, too performs well in I9100G.
8. But, both overheating, and battery improvement, doesn't comes without cost. I9100G doesn't gets overheated, because its cpu is clocked max at 1.008 Ghz, unlike 1.2Ghz in I9100. Same, helps with improved battery.
Well, these were the major issues which i pointed out.
Also, here i am just trying to convey knowledge, which i gained to others.I have not posted this to decide whats superior, its just a comaprison.
Any Opinions, or views is warmly welcomed.
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I9100G is better for porting cyanogenmod etc.
TI is a very good Soc vendor
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^Yeah, that is a plus point of I9100G. The TI OMAP processor is very dev friendly, thanks to its source being released and its presence in many phones like Optimus 2X, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Moto Razr etc. This is one of the reasons why 2.3.6 update of I9100G was released earlier than I9100 in India. I bet ICS porting will also be easy as Galaxy Nexus is also using Ti OMAP (4460 instead of 4430) but same Power VR GPU.
Expect ports of all major ROMS soon. CM9 and MIUI ports are already confirmed.
Also, the I9100G sound quality is better than I9100, thanks to OMAP processor. We all know about the audio quality of S2 from the Anandtech article, which criticizes the Ymaha DAC used on I9100.
The Mali GPU isn't quad core, doesn't mean it says 4 cores its quad, e.g my amd gpu has 600 cores, so whats that?
The Mali GPU is a single core in the SGS2, it is better than the SGX543 which Apple A5 chip uses but has 2 SGX543 which is why it outperforms all GPU even Tegra 3 which atm is the best single GPU.
ambar_hitman said:
Nice post. I suggest you head to Indian Galaxy SII owner thread for more details.
The Indian I9100G got an official 2.3.6 update via Samsung KIES and I9100 DIDNT get any update. Its still stuck on 2.3.3 in India, where as most of the world got 2.3.6 1-2 weeks back. So in short, Samsung has stopped supporting FW update for I9100 via KIES and OTA.
Check the thread for more details. Members are posting Samsung India on Facebook, Twitter, their customer support chat etc etc. Only way to upgrade Indian I9100 is to flash European Firmware.
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The official support for indian i9100, is not closed.
Still, the phone will get ICS, confirmed it via Samsung India.
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^Yeah, that is a plus point of I9100G. The TI OMAP processor is very dev friendly, thanks to its source being released and its presence in many phones like Optimus 2X, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Moto Razr etc. This is one of the reasons why 2.3.6 update of I9100G was released earlier than I9100 in India. I bet ICS porting will also be easy as Galaxy Nexus is also using Ti OMAP (4460 instead of 4430) but same Power VR GPU.
Expect ports of all major ROMS soon. CM9 and MIUI ports are already confirmed.
Also, the I9100G sound quality is better than I9100, thanks to OMAP processor. We all know about the audio quality of S2 from the Anandtech article, which criticizes the Ymaha DAC used on I9100.
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Both the phones got pro's as well as con's.
I9100 still got better development support, as it is available in majority of countries. Whereas, I9100G will only be pushed to India, Vietnam, Malaysia & Singapore Markets.
Updates which are being developed, will be first pushed to I9100, as its community is vast.
It doesn't matters, if an update is being pushed to India or not.Actually, this is the point of us being here, that if we don't get something, and are not satisfied, we can look at development at xda. A EU firmware, or any other firmware, doesn't really matters.
Same thing applies, with I9100G, it really doesn't matters, what you have got with it, there is always development, as long as devs support it.
For now, I9100 got better support, as it was here from a long time. Now, that I9100G is here, it too will get supported.
Rest TI OMAP4430 PoverVR540, too is on par with Exynos 4210.
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
bala_gamer said:
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
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The thing is, to meet the demands of I9100, Samsung pushed I9100G, quietly, so that the demand doesn't dies out.
Also, as i was informed by the Samsung People, was that I9100G, will be available from now on.
malaysia
in my state, no more non-G version
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The official support for indian i9100, is not closed.
Still, the phone will get ICS, confirmed it via Samsung India.
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Can you confirm why 2.3.6 or 2.3.5 or even 2.3.4 not released for I9100 in India?
Also, all online retailers selling I9100 have increased their prices in one day, hinting that I9100 stocks are limited.
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
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Unfortunately, most Asia-Pacific markets wont be having I9100 anymore. Its already stopped in Malaysia, even proper I9100G boxes are there. They announced it on their Facebook as well. Soon, it will be the same in India.
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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netchip said:
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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Wrong. The Exynos chipset is the fastest processor on a phone to date.
The OMAP4430 in the G is not anywhere near as good as the Exynos.
The Mali-400 is faster then the SGX540 by a mile.
The 9100G has inferior performance then the 9100.
khartaras said:
Wrong. The Exynos chipset is the fastest processor on a phone to date.
The OMAP4430 in the G is not anywhere near as good as the Exynos.
The Mali-400 is faster then the SGX540 by a mile.
The 9100G has inferior performance then the 9100.
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OMAP 4430 == OMAP 4460 the last one get 7000 antutu WITHOUT OCing, LOL
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netchip said:
OMAP 4430 == OMAP 4460 the last one get 7000 antutu WITHOUT OCing, LOL
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Guys, guys.... the thread really doesn't make sense if we get back at each other like this.
Being in a community, every one has right to express their views.Be it Wrong or Right.
netchip said:
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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U are right buddy, Mali 400 beats SGX540.
Also, Exynos was the chipset designed for best phones of samsung. TI OMAP, is comparitively not so new, and nxt gen.
I've seen Mali lose in some open gl benchmarks to sgx 540 in the optimus 3D an when it does beat Mali its not by a lot an I think To has best gpus that's y Samsung used it in the Og Galaxy
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And here i was worrying so much that ive gotten myself a i9100g. After hearing that the CPU was only clocked at 1ghz, and was built with a completely different chipset, i felt cheated. I was also worried about the amount of DEV support that my phone would be receiving...But after reading this thread a little i guess it gave me some confidence in my phone
Is there a reason why the i9100g version was only clocked at 1gz? because ive clocked it to 1.2ghz most of the time...im afraid that might cause problem
Im from Malaysia here.. its a quite a debate seeing galaxy nexus potential users saying the exynos aint that superb compared to the G variant.. but im not seeing any ICS yet to it despite it having omap just like galaxy nexus itself..
And they compared about the DAC.. is yamaha dac is that bad and is the one in the G variant is damn good till voodoo sound applicable? Thats a debate indeed
I own a 9100 non G and happy with the support it has from the devs for now.. best to say that for now if ur flashing custom roms and kernel, go for the original sgs2 instead of the G variant.. thats all.. the rest is too argumentative
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hakgao said:
And here i was worrying so much that ive gotten myself a i9100g. After hearing that the CPU was only clocked at 1ghz, and was built with a completely different chipset, i felt cheated. I was also worried about the amount of DEV support that my phone would be receiving...But after reading this thread a little i guess it gave me some confidence in my phone
Is there a reason why the i9100g version was only clocked at 1gz? because ive clocked it to 1.2ghz most of the time...im afraid that might cause problem
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I9100G , is clocked at 1ghz, is a good thing for "G".
It doesn't overheats, easily, as I9100 variant.
Also, the battery life is better.

Exynos::vs::qualcomm

Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
I think the exynos is the best in it's class, always has been.
VR.gtmini said:
Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...vs-samsung-exynos-tablet-processor-benchmarks
or
http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&scli...pw.r_qf.&fp=cbd186cbbddc8760&biw=1366&bih=673
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
johnchad14 said:
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
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This and the Exynos comes with a better DAC.
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Few months to go nd it will be s4 pro quad core vs exyones 5250 dual core
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I have an AT&T Note with the Qualcom hardware and an N7000 note with the Exynos hardware. To get the performance I want (no lag and good battery life), I had to root the Qualcom model and use custom ROMs. The unrooted N7000 international version runs with little lag and better battery life. It also has the hardware for FM Radio which I use all the time but no AT&T band 17 LTE.
I sincerely, hope that the AT&T Note II will have the Exynos Quad Core stuff from Samsung rather than the Qualcom hardware. You can perform all the benchmarks you want. They don't really mean that much. It's the total user experience that counts. Exynos delivers. If you want best benchmarks, buy one of the new HTC products. You'll be back to Samsung in no time.
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It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
It looks like from a development standpoint, Qualcomms Snapdragon SoC is the better choice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31873214&postcount=7773
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
mi7chy said:
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
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And the most compatibility and assortment of games come from imagination technologies gpus. I want me some rogue already.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
iahk said:
It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
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I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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rambo6 said:
I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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It's one thing to remove an app its another to swap an entire cpu architecture. The only reason the cpu difference was there for the gs3 was due to wireless incompatibility issues. Now that the chips support our lte infrastructure, we will see identical hardware sans maybe body color as the international version.
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I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
Man, i wish the oem's would get on the ics/jb train already. Finding a great phone with the software navigation buttons is tricky. Sony and asus are on board, but sony has a couple shortcomings with battery life and phone design and asus needs to release official specs on padfone 2 to seriously consider. Samsung needs to ditch the physical button already. I think they have made enough noise and made some appler's turn their heads for a second. Samsung drop the button and get with the aosp program already! Damn koreans.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
Man when would this Samsung, te4(exyones5250) device release I want to see it perform
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Entropy512 said:
I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
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I do agree with this. It's much easier to hack and modify the Qualcom hardware. I'm running Flapjaxx's A0SP JB on my AT&T Note. It's awesome, however, I love Samsung's S-Pen and S-Planner software. I use my N7000 primarily for work with the latest stock ROM. I performs extremely well. I uswe the AT&T Note for goofing around. I wish I could put the S-Planner and S-Pen apps on an AOSP JB rom. Because the Note is so big, I like using the N7000 button on front to turn it on.
There's no doubt the Qualcom hardware has some advantages. However, for running a stock samsung ROM, the Exynos is hard to beat.
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Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
morning thunder said:
Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
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Gpu sux on dual core s4
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Despite being 32nm Vs 28nm in my experience the Exynos quad has better battery life than the S4 dual core. I own an AT&T S3 and an Exynos one, and with identical use the international one runs cooler and gets 30+ minutes more screen-on time. Both of those things will likely come down to the High-potassium metal gate technology in the Exynos - less voltage leakage=more battery, less dispersal of leakage as heat.

Will we realistically get development?

With Knox and the snapdragon version coming out. What are the realistic chances of getting quality custom ROMs for our awesome tablets.
thoughts?
Snapdragon? The current 2014 has a Snapdragon. Is there another version of the 10.1 coming?
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The Note 10.1 2014 only comes with a Snapdragon 800 as far as I know...
The currently released version (WiFi) of the GN10.1 2014 has an octa-core Exynos5. NOT the new Snapdragon. Considering just how much coverage went into the big.LITTLE architecture, an the various enquiries and wariness on the parts of reviewers about the Exynos Chip as compared to the Snapdragon, just how many people DIDN'T know about it?
I mean, it's a MAJOR decision maker/breaker for some people!
My thought exactly. I am considering this tablet but am worried that there will be no development since its exynos and not snapdragon.
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I have seen nothing suggest there's a Snapdragon version coming out.
That said, can someone tell me why that would halt development?
AFAIK Samsung does not release any source code for exynos stuff while Qualcomm does release code for the snapdragon processors. But I could be mistaken.
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Sorry, I thought it as common kmowledge. The wifi models have two quad core processors rather than one snapdragon 800 chip set.
The result is a component developers are not experienced in working with and no available source code (?).
The potential of the dual quad core (octa core) is huge! We just need to get devs on board.
Romokos said:
Sorry, I thought it as common kmowledge. The wifi models have two quad core processors rather than one snapdragon 800 chip set.
The result is a component developers are not experienced in working with and no available source code (?).
The potential of the dual quad core (octa core) is huge! We just need to get devs on board.
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Unfortunately, I don't think the price is going to help :fingers-crossed:
Honestly, The Note is the only one of my devices where I never got rid of TW. Not that I like it, I hate it and will theme it out so it's not so ugly, use a different launcher etc.. but the TW features on the note is what I buy the note for. Especially how deeply integrated the S-pen features are. Sure there are other note taking apps out there (lecture notes.. etc) but I always preferred s-note, and now on the 2014 model even more so, s-note is a lot better now. I think using an AOSP based rom on this type of device is kinda a waste but that's just my opinion. I usually will theme it out to look as much as stock android as I can.. All my other devices I'm constantly flashing stuff on. My old note 10.1 has been running the same rom for about a year. haha
ckelly33 said:
Snapdragon? The current 2014 has a Snapdragon. Is there another version of the 10.1 coming?
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Actually, both the Note 10.1 2014 Edition and the Galaxy Note III have an Exynos 5420 Octa Core-
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5octa.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
californiarailroader said:
Actually, both the Note 10.1 2014 Edition and the Galaxy Note III have an Exynos 5420 Octa Core-
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5octa.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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You are right.
As far as the OP goes, I don't think there is any word that a snapdragon version is coming out, is there?
As far as I know, Wifi-only versions (P600) get Exynos while 3G (P603) et 4G (P605) have Snapdragon S800.
I have a 4G version and it clearly has a S800 in it.
Now looking forward to get root and remove most of Samsung bloatware...
NM, delete this.
According to this Engadget review
With the 2014 Note 10.1, you'll find yourself using one of two chips: the 3G and WiFi-only versions come with an octa-core Exynos 5420 chipset built in, while the LTE unit features a 2.3GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review-2014-edition/
allan1313 said:
My thought exactly. I am considering this tablet but am worried that there will be no development since its exynos and not snapdragon.
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I wouldn't worry too much....
The previous WiFi version of the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 was also an Exynos chip, and Development for it seems to be just fine here on XDA.
Mr_Armageddon said:
I wouldn't worry too much....
The previous WiFi version of the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 was also an Exynos chip, and Development for it seems to be just fine here on XDA.
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Good to know. I think I will wait to see what the new nexus 10 will offer and decide then.
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[Q] Exynos HMP Update

Hello everyone,
I was looking for a new tablet with a digitizer.
Obviously, I found the note 10.1 2014 pretty interesting and after watching some reviews and playing around with the Note 10.1 from 2012 it is safe to say that I am willing to buy it.
I read in the interwebs that the WiFi version differs slightly from the LTE version (european here) and that instead of a snapdragon 800, the WiFi version is powered by an exynos 5 octa core.
I was like jesus that's nice, an octa core processor for less money than the quad core. Stupid mainstream thoughts huh?
Well yeah so apparently the Exynos did have some performance issues which are mostly solved now.
I also read that Samsung is going to publish an update for so called HMP support, all 8 cores running at the same time.
Samsung said that they are NOT going to roll out this update to the Note 3 (not sure about that one, there's a lot of stuff to read about samsung products).
Did they say something about the Note 2014?
Will they publish this HMP thing? Or is it that tests weren't successful and nobody gets it with this generations Exynos?
Or is it already integrated in the newest Update?
TL;dr:
Will Samsung bring HMP support to the Note 2014?
Is it already rolled out?
Would you pay an additional 100€ for the S800? (despite LTE)
Thanks in advance,
cheers
So here goes I don't think we will get hmp for the note 10.1 2014 but I won't rule it out but its looking more unlikely every day. I would say there's very little performance differences between the wifi and LTE models, I don't think anyone would notice if you didn't tell them. If you wouldn't use the LTE then save your money. The wifi model will receive more dev love in terms of help and custom roms due to higher volume of people owning the wifi model. My advice take the wifi model and if hmp comes our way then it will be great but its not needed. Check my video and you can see just how fast this tablet is without hmp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpImBE_DIK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645875
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Closed in favor of the earlier discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645875

Which version will the XDA Devs support ?

The Snapdragon vs. the Exynos ?
What is the support path ?
We've seen it on previous phone (I9500 vs. I9505 for example)
Would love get some insight as it would also provide help in buying decisions.
Snapdragon [emoji106]tmobile [emoji7] bliss.
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Too early to call, but it has been a "tradition" that the Snapdragon model will be the more widely distributed model. The Exynos model DOES come with LTE now, so that tradition might change, but it only supports CAT4 instead of CAT6 like on the Snapdragon model. I am THINKING that again the Snapdragon model will be the more popular one so that will be the one that devs will support.
I guess more of exynos as we've seen in note 123
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Until we see big OEM's other than samsung using exynos, developer support will be more focused on snapdragon because they are widely used in other phones. There will likely be many top tier android devices from multiple OEM's using the Snapdragon 805 SOC. Samsung is still the only OEM of any size buying the exynos SOC.
My bet is firmly in the snapdragon side for the Note 4. This iteration will prove no different from the last generation and the generation before it. Exynos developer support has been poor at best. There were even a couple of posts where developer device maintainers have stopped developing for it in protest. AOSP for the Exynos note 3 was a slooooooow grind. CM and AOSP was available much much quicker for the snapdragon.
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Until we see big OEM's other than samsung using exynos, developer support will be more focused on snapdragon because they are widely used in other phones. There will likely be many top tier android devices from multiple OEM's using the Snapdragon 805 SOC. Samsung is still the only OEM of any size buying the exynos SOC.
My bet is firmly in the snapdragon side for the Note 4. This iteration will prove no different from the last generation and the generation before it. Exynos developer support has been poor at best. There were even a couple of posts where developer device maintainers have stopped developing for it in protest. AOSP for the Exynos note 3 was a slooooooow grind. CM and AOSP was available much much quicker for the snapdragon.
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That is because Qualcomm has better documentation and Samsung refuses to provide the needed resources for developers. So it will moat likely be the Qualcomm gets the most which will still be limited as most developers are staying away from Samsung all together
Andrilux is buying Note 4 with the Exynos inside.

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