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Z4 specs released

if this is true i am definitely getting one
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia...x_might_not_exist-news-9969.php:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

muhammadshais said:
if this is true i am definitely getting one
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia...x_might_not_exist-news-9969.php:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Fix ur link :highfive: And im so gald to hear that one : ''Interestingly, Sony is said to give up on its six-month release cycle for flagship handsets starting with the Xperia Z4. So far, it has been the only company to push out two flagships per year - take the Z2 and Z3 from 2014, for example. But that's rumored to change, with the Z4 not being followed by a Z5 in 2015.'' :highfive:

http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z4_specs_reportedly_leak_z3x_might_not_exist-news-9969.php

Hoping there will be the Compact version too, since 5.5" is just too big for me - no pun intended. I already thought N5 was pushing it, whilst the Z2 is minimally bigger than N5, so yeah, I'd rather not go any bigger. 4.5-5" is the perfect screen size for me, and since Z4 will sport whooping 4GB RAM, the Compact should be able to pull off 3GB with ease - more than enough, really.
Although, if it's out in early '15, I'm likely not gonna bother upgrading - my Z2 is only just over 3 months old, and it's a two years long contract. Early upgrades are a bit pricey. May even hold back until the Z5 is out, unless I decide to go for a different phone entirely - maybe back to Nexus (if they give a smaller screen size versions), or HTC, or try Motorola.

S800, S801, S801 S810 ! Thats gonna be a huge jump.
But i'm more interested in the curved sensor. Wonder how that will work out.

that sure is a worthy upgrade, im really hyped if it's true that they will add a dedicated amplifier inside Z4.. S-Master HX, anyone?
putting 5.5" is kinda pushing it imo, Z2 is already really big -- almost as big as LG G Pro with its 5.5", unless Sony manages to reduce its footprint even more
but i think i'll be saving for Z5 in case Qualcomm outs a new Krait core processor, a 6 core Krait? 8 core Krait? That'd sound more interesting than a bigLITTLE ARM architecture to me

MrCatalyst said:
Hoping there will be the Compact version too, since 5.5" is just too big for me - no pun intended.
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Same. I figured that buy buying the z2, (I had never even heard of sony phones before) I'd lose the mental pressure of always wanting the new iPhone. But now I want z4, except not so large.

Damn, im having hard time getting used to my z2 l, now they are pushing it more. Hope they stop this. And I waa really hoping to have a better pixel camera maybe An 8 to 12 mp front and down sizing to 5 mp for better selfies. Cause it really has a lack in details for a 2 mp front. I hope the battery will not be sacrificed due to this 2k display
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Haldi4803 said:
S800, S801, S801 S810 ! Thats gonna be a huge jump.
But i'm more interested in the curved sensor. Wonder how that will work out.
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If they switch to a quad hd display the jump won't be noticeable at all...

Buying Z3 or not, Z4 is definitely mine...
Even, I'm quite sure they will build it on 805, not 810....
I pray Gods I'm wrong
Also...it could be cool if they release Z4 next year in March and then do what they said (1 year cycle for flagships)
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Haldi4803 said:
S800, S801, S801 S810 ! Thats gonna be a huge jump.
But i'm more interested in the curved sensor. Wonder how that will work out.
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Quite interesting info...
First they said (gsmarena) that we'll have Z4 with that new curved lens but they are pointing us to web page that says this:
Sony hasn’t yet been able to produce their curved sensors in any high-megapixel variants, which means that we won’t be seeing the technology in commercial applications anytime soon.
Hmmm....I'm not buying this specif. for Z4.
I'm quite sure they are guessing...
Never mind...We'll see...
It would be great if Sony skip 805, at least for Z4 as a new flagship and go straight to 810 but as I already said - I doubt...
I think we'll see (again) device with 16gb SDcard, same camera lenses and same screen as we saw on Z3...
They are working on software, that's obvious, so there's a chance I'm wrong...
Maybe they built perfect drivers and optimise code on Lolipop and are ready to build Z4 on awesome monster 810...
Can't wait to see all those great devices in next year powered by Lolipop...

Looks like I can happily skip this, unless they make a radical change to get rid of the borders around the screen. As proven by Apple's awful iPhone 6 Plus, 5.5 inches is just too big. I wouldn't consider this spec for a second.

funky0308 said:
Quite interesting info...
First they said (gsmarena) that we'll have Z4 with that new curved lens but they are pointing us to web page that says this:
Sony hasn’t yet been able to produce their curved sensors in any high-megapixel variants, which means that we won’t be seeing the technology in commercial applications anytime soon.
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Didn't the new strange selfie phone in japan use a curved sensor ?

Slow...
Wow, you guys are so behind the times. Sony has actually confirmed the Z6 series set to be released 2015 July... (kidding obviously)
I'm a little shocked that the Z3 has barely even started being sold around the world, and Z4 talk begins already hah. Since it's on the table, I've decided to pass on the Z3, but perhaps the Z4 I will jump on. I purchased my Z2 about 4 months back and OMG... This is my first Sony phone, 33rd Android phone (no joke) and this has topped the charts in my book. I really hope these specs are true, and not just early expectation drafts for the future.

5" is the perfect size for me. 5.2" is the maximum I would go for. Anything above that is too big for me ?
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I'm excited for the dedicated amps for the speakers, and the new SOC. That's about it. I had a 5.5" phone once already (the Oppo Find7a) I really wasn't a fan of that size. I say maybe go 5.3" for a slight bump but that's really it. Or they had better makes those bezels really small. I also don't really care about the resolution. I've seen the G3 in person an wasn't really impressed.

Imo, a 5.5" screen is a failure. Whoever released these specs is trying to picture that sony is copying apple products. Which proves its a lie. My z2 is already big as is. Actually i prefer my old z size over the z2. If they can get rid of the home buttons out of the display would be a better choice.
A better front facing camera, as the 2mp is a failure. And for gods sake fix the slow main camera. Such a disappointing performance from it.
I can swear the z audio quality is better than the z2. A dedicated amp would be great.
Although i loved my old z, but unfortunately i suffered from a self cracking screen. I got the z2 before knowing about it, otherwise i would have never got a Sony again. I hope sony understands the reason of this problem, and have addressed it in the z2, until this moment i haven't heard about a self cracking z2. The screen is too expensive to repair, almost 5x a Samsungs or iPhone screen, because the touch and display screen are one piece, unlike Samsung and iPhone.
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ehussam said:
A better front facing camera, as the 2mp is a failure.
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The much-hyped iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have 1.2-megapixel front cameras, versus 2.1 megapixel from Sony. How is that a failure for Sony?
And for gods sake fix the slow main camera. Such a disappointing performance from it.
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It could be faster, but it matches or beats most standalone consumer cameras, and while Apple is only offloading 80 megapixels per second with its latest-gen phones, Sony is offloading upwards of 124 megapixels per second due to the much, much higher sensor resolution.
(Just tested my phone and got at *least* six frames per second for the first second at 8 megapixel resolution, versus the 10fps claimed by Apple -- and my reflexes probably aren't good enough to have started exactly at the start of the second, so likely the actual frame rate was even higher.)
Although i loved my old z, but unfortunately i suffered from a self cracking screen.
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Ooooohhhh, wait. You're one of the "self-cracking" crowd. There is no such thing as self-cracking, so I don't know why I took this post seriously.
ehussam said:
The screen is too expensive to repair, almost 5x a Samsungs or iPhone screen, because the touch and display screen are one piece, unlike Samsung and iPhone.
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There's a reason they're one piece, and it's a good one. With separate touch screen and LCD, you get a thicker display assembly and lower contrast due to greater internal reflections.

@knoxploration
No, there's no term self cracking glass but that's only expression guys are using to describe broken glass on back cover.
Device never hit the floor or any or "had" any reason to crack...
But...
That's what we are saying (that part where we are surprised with cracked glass).
Actually, little elfs didn't broke it over night...
Apparently, location of NFC chip is problem.
Engineers made a mistake and it protrude compares to other parts.
This problem plus high working temperature can make weird things like cracking the back glass...
I would like to hear impressions of someone who lives in cold area but really cold area...
When you are recording 4K video or watching HD video while you are outside in coldness did you noticed cracking sounds when device start cooling (by extremely cold air).
That NFC chip location is just one of few theories, for me it gives logical answer.
Can't remember where did I saw that info (if I find or remember web I'll post a link).
So, please, don't take that as 100% answer...
See ya

My touch screen cracked and not the back cover, it cracked on its own in a very controlled environment. I was parked in my car, using the phone and everything was fine, all of a sudden the screen became unresponsive, i thought the software crashed and phone became unresponsive. I restarted the phone and the problem remained, and i was completely surprised to find out the screen cracked out of the blue. Im guessing maybe because the touch and display are in one piece and there is a mismatch on their thermal expansion rates, the phone was a bit hot when the screen cracked.
Im not an iPhone fan, actually im puzzled why do people buy them, but thats my opinion.
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lol this thread is become complain section

HTC One (M9) Build Quality/Hardware - your findings

Since the M9 is starting to become available on several markets, it could be interesting to compare the quality of the different batches re: screen, finish, temperature, camera...
I have two different M8 and it's almost like they are two different phones. One has a vibrant screen with perfect white balance, the other has a washed out yellowish display, the one with the yellow display has louder loudspeakers (same ROM), and the camera protection film is smudged whereas the other one is like new.
Please post your report with the first 6 digits/letters of the serial number to identify the batch. Like HT42WW
Looking forward to the first feedback
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Can you post pictures of the phones side by side?

I do not have my M8 anymore as I returned it to get my M9.
Using my M9 with manual +2 brightness makes it very pleasant to use.
HT53CY is my build
Silver/gold
Orange ROM. 15, France
Great build quality, no defects
Screen not very bright in auto, great in manual
Camera very good, front cam overexposed
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from my experience with htc, they have two or three factories. I forget which one was preferred manufacturer but the lcd is definitely different between some. This started with the mytouch 4g I believe, it was also seen in a few others such as the amaze and sensation. not sure if there are any others but I wouldn't be surprised.

Teo032 said:
from my experience with htc, they have two or three factories. I forget which one was preferred manufacturer but the lcd is definitely different between some. This started with the mytouch 4g I believe, it was also seen in a few others such as the amaze and sensation. not sure if there are any others but I wouldn't be surprised.
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Yeah I remember that thread. I also found that the Sensation had two screen manufacturers and started a thread about it in that section.. I think with the My touch 4g it was Sharp and Sony and you wanted the Sony screen. The sharp looked like crap. With the Sensation it was Sharp and AIO or something like that and with that one you wanted the sharp panel (although some preferred the AIO panel)

Mine is UK version, Carphone warehouse. Gold on Silver. The screen is very good, not leaning to red/yellow or green, best white balance i've seen so far on a non iphone.
There are slight gaps around where the new lip is, which i'm sure destroys the IPX3 rating and will be a dust magnet, although up to now, no dust has gone anywhere lol.
Speakers are brilliant! Better than M8.

I got my silver/gold AT&T version yesterday and so far no problems. Solid build quality. No dead pixels, screen is great. No problems that I can see really. Serial starts with FA53DY

Jonathan-H said:
Mine is UK version, Carphone warehouse. Gold on Silver. The screen is very good, not leaning to red/yellow or green, best white balance i've seen so far on a non iphone.
There are slight gaps around where the new lip is, which i'm sure destroys the IPX3 rating and will be a dust magnet, although up to now, no dust has gone anywhere lol.
Speakers are brilliant! Better than M8.
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Could you please give us the first 6 characters of the serial number, in order to figure out the factory batch? Thanks!

Please excuse my post here, as I don't have the device yet, I just wanted to post my findings.
Sadly, I think build issues remain in the M9 as well. On close-up shots in some video reviews I watched you can see them. Take a look here for example. On 2:17 you can see the right part of the screen protruding a bit from the front metal panel and in the next close up, around 2:22, you can see there are (multiple?) gaps on the left side of the screen between the screen bezel and the frame. What is really weird is that, in the second example, it's not a single straight gap, but multiple gaps, extremely weird for a metal design.
I know I'm probably nitpicking and many of you would dismiss those issues even if they were on a massive scale, but I won't. Never mind my OCD (this can be tamed ) but I really hoped HTC would crush such issues after dealing with them on both the M7 and the M8.
Let's hope those are isolated (or even better, illusions caused by the angle of the video) and will be (or are already) fixed in retail models. It's the first time I'm planning to upgrade from my M7 (all of the four models I had had some kind of build quality issue) and I would hate it if I had to play hide and seek with Arvato again.

Beautifully made. Very impressed. Too scared to use without a case, however .

akpe said:
Please excuse my post here, as I don't have the device yet, I just wanted to post my findings.
Sadly, I think build issues remain in the M9 as well. On close-up shots in some video reviews I watched you can see them. Take a look here for example. On 2:17 you can see the right part of the screen protruding a bit from the front metal panel and in the next close up, around 2:22, you can see there are (multiple?) gaps on the left side of the screen between the screen bezel and the frame. What is really weird is that, in the second example, it's not a single straight gap, but multiple gaps, extremely weird for a metal design.
I know I'm probably nitpicking and many of you would dismiss those issues even if they were on a massive scale, but I won't. Never mind my OCD (this can be tamed ) but I really hoped HTC would crush such issues after dealing with them on both the M7 and the M8.
Let's hope those are isolated (or even better, illusions caused by the angle of the video) and will be (or are already) fixed in retail models. It's the first time I'm planning to upgrade from my M7 (all of the four models I had had some kind of build quality issue) and I would hate it if I had to play hide and seek with Arvato again.
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get it exchanged, the units i tried had the glass completely level with the front plate, it's part of it's beauty, the news are reporting shortage and delayed delivery for the USA, so let's this hope this will not pressure the amazing QC

I have a grey M8 at home right now. Will update this post later tonight when I get you the serial number and pictures
My HTC M9 is from the HTC Champions launch event which happened in Atlanta this week for retail employees.
M9 serial: FA53FY
M8 serial: *will post later today
Overall the M9 feels a lot better than the M8 in terms of build and feel in the hand. If I place the M9 on four fingers and tilt my hand forward or backward the phone doesn't slip off unless my hand is almost vertical. The M8 would slip out of my hand after like a rotation of 10-15 degrees lol
The M9 is a little slimmer and that I don't like. Coming from a OnePlus one and large phones regularly, the M9 feels too small. Overall I'm happy because I put a case on it and it brings the size back a little to me. Bought a Nexus 6 last night anyways haha.

Mine is perfect. SN FA53K.....
My M8 was FA as well. Also perfect.

Just had a scan for any of the noted imperfections & unless only visible under microscope all is sweet & dandy with mine

Unlocked Gunmetal Grey M9 from HTC.com. Everything is perfect with mine. Couldn't be happier with it. Now I just need a good case lol.

Awesome feedback. Feel free to post your serial number (first 6 digits) even if your phone is perfect. It's good to know the good batches as well!

avara said:
Awesome feedback. Feel free to post your serial number (first 6 digits) even if your phone is perfect. It's good to know the good batches as well!
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Developer Edition - FA53HY - Perfect condition - Screen is Excellent / not yellow or pink at all more a very light gray than anything

My lower volume button is pushed in slightly at at the top end, looks a bit wonky but still works as it should, ill update with serial and photos soon - Adam

Adam182 said:
My lower volume button is pushed in slightly at at the top end, looks a bit wonky but still works as it should, ill update with serial and photos soon - Adam
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My volume down is the same mate, I put it down as a design feature as it functions as it should

Duncan1982 said:
My volume down is the same mate, I put it down as a design feature as it functions as it should
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Mine doesn't appear to have this. It was one of the first things I checked since I noticed this in some videos too. Kind of surprised, really. The volume down button does however protrude slightly less in its entirety compared to the volume up one.
After going over everything very carefully it seems I have only two minor issues:
IR blaster cover is a tiny bit misaligned on the right side
On the lower left-hand and upper right-hand corners of the screen the polycarbonate has a small dent you can only see in a certain light
Very satisfied in general, it seems very solid. I do worry however that there might get dust in-between the face and aluminium unibody parts.

First Impressions about HTC U11

Hello, everyone!
I watched few reviews about the phone...And really sorry to say it but I'm not much impressed, but I definitely will upgrade to from htc one m8. Big htc fan here . I like the style, screen, colours ..Can't really say about the camera probably will be good.The new sound should be awesome + the headphones... But when come to the software..... For one year they didn't touch the sense? Really ? Even TouchWiz is changing, can't understand why htc decided to stay at sense 8, or like is now just "HTC Sense UI" . In the whole review, I generally see - The colours, squeeze (I think they too much depending on this new feature which we still didn't know how it will work after month or two of using it), How google OK works that was fun tho , wasn't working the first few times and the 3d sound...And exactly how they said - simple. And I wasn't disappointed like this from quite long time .I expected something more "brilliant". They just made a review on software app - the edge stuff, htc companion and OK Google They even didn't mention htc sense, which didn't move much from 2015. Isn't this little bit pathetic to you? I want to hear your thoughts on that. Did you expect more, like me? Anyway, I'm still considering buying it when the sales start in my region.

Well having been able to hold it in my hands and play with it for a few hours I can say the following:
First of I really like the Edge Sense feature as it worked really well on my review unit. In combination with a deeply integrated Goggle Assistant and Amazon Alexa it will be a well done upgrade if new ways of using your phone. Sense has made a large step in the last year and continues in debloating with regard to reducing HTC Apps that are redundant to Google Apps, as well as tweaks regarding performance done under the hood, and last but not least integration of the above mentioned Edge Sense.
Camera is top notch, achieving highest DxOMark - 90 Points - rating of a Smartphone thus far.
Audio has come one step further as well. Only thing to name here, as it will already suffice, is the implementation of Active Noise Cancellation with the In-Ear Headphones coming in the box, and USB-C-to-3.5mm-adapter that brings an integrated Amplifier as well an an 24bit DAC.
The display, though some might dislike the design of the front, has really deep blacks and good colours - especially if compared to an AMOLED.
Ah and IP67 of course is a great step forward.
Those are just my 2 cent of a first impression coming from a personal hands on. Mire will follow once I receive the U11 myself and go to some more time to play.
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How black is black? The G6 came close to AMOLED with a 0.228 cd/m2 and the HTC 10 logged in at 0.29 according to the GSMArena review.

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How black is black? The G6 came close to AMOLED with a 0.228 cd/m2 and the HTC 10 logged in at 0.29 according to the GSMArena review.
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Screen noticeably better than on 10. U11 is a "must update" for anyone holding prior to a 10. For 10 owners, not mandatory (but definitely better in several ways).

anyone listened to the headphones is it the same loudness of of htc 10 ?

Huge ugly bezels and only 71.4% screen to body ratio.
Looks very much like a pixel from the front which had a very "dated" look from the front and that was months ago in 2016. This being 2017 now this large bezeled design looks even more outdated.
HTC failed in this aspect and really should have shrunk the bezels and made the screen larger as 5.5" is just too small and large bezels are an eyesore.
Other than that the phone seems really great on paper to me and has some very desriable specs.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well having been able to hold it in my hands and play with it for a few hours I can say the following:
First of I really like the Edge Sense feature as it worked really well on my review unit. In combination with a deeply integrated Goggle Assistant and Amazon Alexa will be of a well done upgrade if new ways using your phone. Sense has made a large step in the last year and continues in debloating with regard to reducing HTC Apps that are redundant to Google Apps, as well as tweaks regarding performance done under the hood, and last but not least integration of the above mentioned Edge Sense.
Camera is top notch, achieving highest DxOMark - 90 Points - rating of a Smartphone thus far.
Audio has come One step further as well. Just One thing to name is the implementation of Active Noise Cancellation with the In-Ear Headphones coming in the box, and USB-C-to-3.5mm-adapter that brings an integrated Amplifier as well an an 24bit DAC.
The display, though some might dislike the design of the front, has really deep blacks and good colours - especially if compared to an AMOLED.
Ah and IP67 of course is a great step forward.
Those are just my 2 cent of a first impression coming from a personal hands on. Mire will follow once I receive the U11 myself and go to some more time to play.
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This is good to hear. I'm a big fan of HTC and this device seems a step in the right direction for them. I put my pre-order in and am very excited. I've also always liked HTC for their willingness to let users unlock as they please, dev friendly. This phone has me pretty excited.

One thing I need to know, is the earpiece speaker better/louder than the horribly quiet 10? If I'm anywhere other than a relatively quiet place I can barely hear anyone on a phone call.

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This is good to hear. I'm a big fan of HTC and this device seems a step in the right direction for them. I put my pre-order in and am very excited. I've also always liked HTC for their willingness to let users unlock as they please, dev friendly. This phone has me pretty excited.
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Which colour did you pick. I went for black. Thought of ordering the Amazing Silver but they didn't have it at my carried in Germany. Those two colours are the most gorgeous ones in my eyes. Maybe black is better as on silver you can see fingerprints a lot better than on the black one. Guess this would get me on my nerves by the time anyway.
And the glas, as well as the metal edge are feeling really good in hands. Was a warm day when I used it this first time, and it had a good grip even with my sweaty hands. There was no time it felt slippery to me.
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I'm excited to see how the device does irl, I never pre-order. The echo dots are cool, but I don't think I will use them much. Also concerned about charging and using headphones at the same time. I do that at work and on flights. I might wait for the note 8, but that is a long way off and will probably be a huge phone.
For the money, I think the U11 is the best bang/buck combo, especially because it is unlocked, will have custom roms and all kinds of tweaks that this great community will use.
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Huge ugly bezels and only 71.4% screen to body ratio.
Looks very much like a pixel from the front which had a very "dated" look from the front and that was months ago in 2016. This being 2017 now this large bezeled design looks even more outdated.
HTC failed in this aspect and really should have shrunk the bezels and made the screen larger as 5.5" is just too small and large bezels are an eyesore.
Other than that the phone seems really great on paper to me and has some very desriable specs.
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Get out of here Sammy fanboy. My current HTC 10 is 5.2" and it's not small by any means. I couldn't care less about the bezels on this device or mine... I'll take them over the gimmicky curved edges that cause a slew of annoyances and functionality issues. I had the S8 for a week and I took that crap back and gladly paid the $50 restock fee.

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Get out of here Sammy fanboy. My current HTC 10 is 5.2" and it's not small by any means. I couldn't care less about the bezels on this device or mine... I'll take them over the gimmicky curved edges that cause a slew of annoyances and functionality issues. I had the S8 for a week and I took that crap back and gladly paid the $50 restock fee.
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Yeah im honestly not a huge fan of the edge screens either ..gotten used to it but would prefer a flat screen for sure.
And just because 5.2 isnt small to you automatically means that everyone should think the same?
And fanboy? Takes one to know one HTC fanboy

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Yeah im honestly not a huge fan of the edge screens either ..gotten used to it but would prefer a flat screen for sure.
And just because 5.2 isnt small to you automatically means that everyone should think the same?
And fanboy? Takes one to know one HTC fanboy
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Given an option I'd like less bezel for sure but definitely not even close to a deal breaker. I have multiple phones Pixel XL is my daily driver, have iPhone 7 plus, S8+ and G6. The G6 and S8+ look great with minimal bezel but using Pixel or iPhone 7 plus doesn't bother me at all.

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Given an option I'd like less bezel for sure but definitely not even close to a deal breaker. I have multiple phones Pixel XL is my daily driver, have iPhone 7 plus, S8+ and G6. The G6 and S8+ look great with minimal bezel but using Pixel or iPhone 7 plus doesn't bother me at all.
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Not a deal breaker for me either im just not a fan of the aesthetics.
The 5.5 screen is something i can't deal with though ...my s7 edge has it and I hate it (although the U11 would be alot better due to the normal aspect ratio). Its mostly why i went with the S8 plus....just for the screen size.

force70 said:
Yeah im honestly not a huge fan of the edge screens either ..gotten used to it but would prefer a flat screen for sure.
And just because 5.2 isnt small to you automatically means that everyone should think the same?
And fanboy? Takes one to know one HTC fanboy
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What is this, high school? It's easy to assume your fanboyism based on the phones you have in your signature and the fact that you had absolutely nothing good to say about the U11... Why are you even here? What is your assumption based off of... that fact that I disagree with you? If I'm an HTC fanboy then why would I even bother with the S8? I guess you just overlooked that. You also forget that barely 6 years ago the first Note came out with a 5.3" screen and that was considered huge at the time... And even now that is FAR from small.
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If a smartphone can be too thin for its own good, we can agree the same applies to bezels. I wager that people wanting less and less bezels aren't accustomed to the issues that come with them. First, a bezel adds strength... I'll let you take a guess as to what effect shrinking it would have on that. Then there's the absolutely annoying accidental touching issues... and no, cases don't help with that unless you use a really bulky case. I've never held or owned a phone and said "I wish the bezels were smaller" nor have I ever felt that bezels impeded any phone's functionality and my ability to use them.

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What is this, high school? It's easy to assume your fanboyism based on the phones you have in your signature and the fact that you had absolutely nothing good to say about the U11... Why are you even here? What is your assumption based off of... that fact that I disagree with you? If I'm an HTC fanboy then why would I even bother with the S8? I guess you just overlooked that. You also forget that barely 6 years ago the first Note came out with a 5.3" screen and that was considered huge at the time... And even now that is FAR from small. You really think that the 0.3" that your S8+ has over this U11's 5.5" display really matters, ROFL? Don't make me laugh.
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Ive owned lots of phones from various manufacturers over the years including HTC. Other than the 6P there hasnt been anything else that Ive really liked the last few years other than what sammy has delivered.
And i guess your reading comprehension is not that great as i mentioned 2 things i wasnt a fan of on the U11...and I also mentioned everything else looked great.
Im here because the device does hold some interest for me...and because I can be. Dont like what i say....move along...
And i wont bother with your silliness after this, dont want the mods in here now do we?

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Guys enough of the bickering please. Can we keep the posts civil. I will be keeping a eye on this thread.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Which colour did you pick. I went for black. Thought of ordering the Amazing Silver but they didn't have it at my carried in Germany. Those two colours are the most gorgeous ones in my eyes. Maybe black is better as on silver you can see fingerprints a lot better than on the black one. Guess this would get me on my nerves by the time anyway.
And the glas, as well as the metal edge are feeling really good in hands. Was a warm day when I used it this first time, and it had a good grip even with my sweaty hands. There was no time it felt slippery to me.
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I actually got that dark blue

force70 said:
Huge ugly bezels and only 71.4% screen to body ratio.
Looks very much like a pixel from the front which had a very "dated" look from the front and that was months ago in 2016. This being 2017 now this large bezeled design looks even more outdated.
HTC failed in this aspect and really should have shrunk the bezels and made the screen larger as 5.5" is just too small and large bezels are an eyesore.
Other than that the phone seems really great on paper to me and has some very desriable specs.
Sent from my S8 plus, Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
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this is a tired and worn out argument. The performance of the U11 in all ways justifies the Bezels. Samsung wouldn't be able to pull off as great as a phone with their Bezel-less gimmick. The Bezels are there for good reason.

LibertyMonger said:
this is a tired and worn out argument. The performance of the U11 in all ways justifies the Bezels. Samsung wouldn't be able to pull off as great as a phone with their Bezel-less gimmick. The Bezels are there for good reason.
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Please elaborate, Id like to see what exactly bezels...in particular top and bottom have to do with performance.
I could see before on the m7,m8 etc with the full front firing speakers but such is not the case with the U11.
And I wasnt remotely argumentative..i was merely sharing my first impression of the device as that is the thread title is it not?
Thanks.
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One Plus 5 dropped the bezel ball

Good grief. It's got Pixel sized bezels!
The good old Galaxy Note 3 was so far ahead of its time when it came to minimal bezels.
Galaxy finally has small bezels again but no root for US phones. Or LOS/AOSP ROM's.
OnePlus 5 had a chance to swoop in but dammit if the bezels and phone with its 5.5" screen are still bigger than the old Note 3 with it's 5.7" screen.

I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.

Bezel-less is a gimmick. Looks good from a design aspect but the functionality isn't 100% there since black bars when watching Videos/VR Apps/OS have to be made to work
Also 1+ tries to keep the cost of their devices to a minimum and in a video they did mention they'd use a bezelless display but currently wasn't in a position to do it

In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.

ithehappy said:
In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
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I use the S8+ and it is far from a disaster for my usage. That's just my opinion though.

MrWilsonxD said:
I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.

parakleet said:
I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
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Same, I'm 2 meters tall with hands just as freakishly large, while I am no advocate for Xperia size bezels *Twitches* or pixel xl sized bezels *Shudders* I would much rather see some front firing speakers than this bezeless craze continue.
I just generally upset with where phones are going right now... I felt like last year we got so many awesome upgrades,
The Moto Z play keeping it conssitent with amazing battery life and a success at modularity.
The Honor 8 bringing dual cams in. (Even though this was not the first android phone to do this, I think the honr 8 was the first one that picked up a lot of steam.)
The S7 (I can't believe I said this, I dislike samsung, but I have to get them their credit) but water resistance, wireless charging, good camera, micro sd all in one package!
The Axon 7 filling in the gap for htc with their identity crisis, bringing the best front firing speakers with the same processor and screen resolution as flagships of that year..
The Pixel (Price way too high, I know..) but it's Google's Foray to inject their product to more people.
LG, with... Hah, wait, no they still ate it in 2016.
Then processors for 2016, I felt there was such a huge jump from the 810 to the 820. With performance and heat.. To me it seemed like manufacturers were trying to improve the usability of their phones, with this year, we are killing headphone jacks and trying to get bezelless phones that are wafer thin. I would much rather have a phone with a larger battery or more room for heat dispersion than a phone that would break if I accidentally sat on it wrong.
I'm not trying to discredit anyone's desires here, I just feel like focusing on bezels is so... Secondary.. It's aesthetics, I thought we should just leave that for Samsung and Apple to chase, (And LG to pretend they can catch up)

Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.

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Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
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I agree. Not sure Samsung's goal was specifically for a bezeless phone, but more likely to put the biggest screen possible on the smallest chassis they could build. In that respect, I love the trend. I'm not fond of cutting the screen a la the essential phone to decrease phone size

I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.

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I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
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I know it's probably a lost cause but i am hoping they keep the AUX jack as well.

Besides curved edges and delicate display concerns the thing that bothers me about the bezeless design trend is that the more they reduce the bottom bezel the further down on-screen keyboard becomes. This results in more stress to my hand when swipe typing which is my primary input method on my phone. On the S8 it's not too bad since the phone is narrow and I can reach the lower corners of the keyboard fine when holding one handed but on the S8+ stretch becomes more pronounced and I suspect long stints of texting will be an issue for me.

Anyone disappointed about the new Mix 2?

Well, the (successor?) to the Mix has finally launched and I'm quite disappointed about what it turned out to be.
When the Mix was launched, it was one of a kind and a head-turner with almost everything you could ask for in a smartphone (minus the camera of course). But now, the Mix 2 only seems to be an incremental update with many corners cut.
1. The chin is just 12%smaller and looks much larger than those teasers Xiaomi released from time to time.
2. The screen resolution or type hasn't changed. Just slightly modified for the 18:9 aspect ratio. (2160x1080 vs 2040x1080). Also with the new aspect ratio, the overall screen real-estate has shrunk.
Would have appreciated a switch to AMOLED and a higher resolution to call it an upgrade.
3. Of course the chipset has been updated to the latest but I was never too excited about the Snapdragon 835 considering the 821 is no slouch.
4. The camera was a much needed upgrade and I appreciate that they've managed to squeeze in the Sony IMX386. Then again, this isn't a flagship camera compared to the competition but obviously better than that of the current Mix. So it's very much welcome but not a defining feature. Talking about the front camera, I guess Xiaomi has once again put a mediocre POS in there judging by the fact they didn't make a fuss about it.
5. To squeeze in the camera + OIS and the 18:9 aspect ratio, they've shredded 1000mah from the battery which is very disappointing. I guess I am most disappointed about this aspect.
6. No 3.5mm jack. - I wouldn't have been disappointed by the lack of 3.5mm if the rest of the specsheet were damn impressive and on par with other flagships. But it looks like Xiaomi just wanted to be more like Apple here. Removed the jack for no reason. I see myself using the headphone jack from time to time and I believe everyone does at times. Also, I doubt the Mix 2's audio via the provided USB-C adapter can match the Original Mix's inbuilt powerful headphone amp unless you invest in an external DAC.
When the Mi Mix was launched, it was above every other flagship of the time, except maybe the camera. It gave the Galaxy S7 Edge a run for it's money. It was bold and beautiful.
I gladly paid more than a Galaxy S7 Edge to get this and didn't regret.
But looking at the Mix 2, I don't know whether it stands a chance against the Galaxy S8, especially considering prices of the S8/S8+ has dropped after the launch of the Note 8. Slim bezels are not a defining feature anymore as almost everyone has caught up and so, I feel that the Mix 2 doesn't have anything which will make it stand out against the competition.
I don't see it as a worthy upgrade to the original Mix. It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
To conclude, I don't see how this would compel any existing users to upgrade. Morover I don't see the specsheet motivating any new buyers to choose this over a similarly priced S8+.
For those who are still considering getting a Mix, my opinion would be to get the Original one while it is still available for a discount as Xiaomi usually pulls the device from the market soon after the successor is out, most likely because they can't afford to produce and sell the previous gen device at a very low price. For those actually considering spending on a Mix 2, the S8/S8+ is now similarly priced (check ebay) in most markets and offer better value for your money.
What are your thoughts?

Agree with pretty much everything you said but the tiny screen of the new model kills it for me. I find the note 8 tiny after using the Mix for so long. I wish they made a Mix 2+ with a 6.4" display, I would so pay for that.
I'm staying with the original Mix.

Totally agreed. It was hardly an upgrade by any means. I was honestly more impressed with Xiaomi's MI Note Pro than the Mix 2, Lol. That's the problem with scaling to fast though. The Mix was such a market turner when it came out, if you're a company with certain stylistic choices, it's hard to know how to follow-up.

This is what frustrates me with phone releases, after a good one step forward a company makes two steps back with the next.
Losing the headphone jack and dropping so much battery capacity, 25%....
I know I will never get exactly everything from a phone, there will always be compromise and I am OK with that but stop removing the great features that the previous phone had, the new is supposed to be better than the old!
They changed the aspect ratio. OK, I guess I can live with that. They reduced the screen size. OK, that's starting to hurt but I guess I can live with that too.
They removed the headphone jack. OK, I guess I live with that too but stop already!
No, then they cripple the battery and the icing on the cake, the camera bump protrudes more than on the old phone!
I like to think I'm a reasonable guy. OK, I get it, the new camera is larger. OIS may need more space too. Well, how about you make the phone thicker so that the camera is completely flush with the body and use that extra space for a bigger battery and maybe to bring the headphone jack back?
They reduced the bottom bezel by 12%, they should have worked on using that bezel to put capacitive buttons on it instead of the on screen buttons.
Whatever sales they do achieve, I am convinced that a phone with a better battery, a camera flush with body and a capacitive bottom bezel would sell better...

It was supposed to have the 836 before it was announced that there wouldn't even be an 836, which at least would have given it an edge performance-wise and extended its life.
With the big drop in battery, I don't think it would have been wise to go UHD anyway. Also, being HD, we get better performance in general (particularly in games) since it doesn't have to drive all those extra pixels. AMOLED would have been nice though.
The lack of the headphone jack is a big loss for some, especially considering the Mix had one of the best DACs out there. I don't use headphones that much but I'd still miss it if it was gone.
If they'd just taken the Mix and dropped in an 835 and a better camera I'd probably have upgraded.

Agree with all the points you've made and while it's a disappointment, I'm glad that my almost 1 year old mi mix has features I can appreciate over it's successor.
The bezels look more impressive on the first mix and I can't believe they dropped the battery capacity by that much and removed the headphone jack !

I'm disappointed too
No 3.5mm jack
No OLED
and why!?! 5.99? I want at least 6.4 inch
The camera stands out
and a 1000mha smaller battery?
besides, I don't like the speaker upstairs either,
Only the band 20 support would be useful for me as a German.
But there I can also get a NOTE 8....
but now it will probably stay the good old mi mix 256 for a long time.
or the iphone 8

No reason to buy 1 if you have the mix, thought it was going to be something special

If this is their idea of a better phone, then sadly I see my next phone being the Note 9.
For now I'm sticking with the Mix 1.
It's a notable drop in screen size from the Mix 1.
It's like 15% smaller (roughly 15.64 vs 16.93 sq inches).
Smaller than the galaxy note 8, although it's 'shorter'.
It's nice to see them fixing the major issues from the Mix1 (camera, speaker).
Hopefully it's more drop proof now, too.
But it's no longer the biggest screen/battery for a pocketable phone, and that's a major loss,
So now you ask - what's the point? It it really THAT much better looking than other phones?
Not really.
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It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
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I was a VERY early adopter of the Galaxy note 1, and I can assure you - the galaxy note 2 was significantly better than the galaxy note 1 and I can't recall a single negative. The note 1 was definitely a 'market test device' as there were NO large screen phones at the time. It was clunky as hell, while the note 2 was a wonderful phone
One arguable downside was the screen aspect ratio 'dropped' from 16:10 to 16:9, but they made the screen size bigger (5.3 to 5.5) to compensate and the overall screen size stayed the same..
I would have been nice for xiaomi to release a 'full size' 6.4 and the current 'smaller' version for people who REALLY want one handed use or whatever. I guess they don't have enough 'ceramic' capacity to do that. Really quite a shame. I imagine the screen to bezel ratio would be even higher on a larger phone.

I'm also disappointed of Xiaomi I was hoping for a smaller chin instead we've got a smaller phone without head phone jack, that's messed up yo, I'm sticking with my mix till next year when they come up with a worthy phone to upgrade to. No head phone jack? now they are copying apple on that, damn you Xiaomi,

I'm bound to get the better products developed by phone manufacturers it seems ... Oneplus One was an amazing phone and already is a legend, Mi Mix a stunning concept phone that set new grounds in the industry.
I'm glad I made the right choice 2 months ago and went for the 1st gen, instead of waiting for the next one and spend more cash for little to no improvements in what's definitely more crucial to me, i.e. screen size and battery than a better camera. Next gen SoC won't make much of a difference in daily use, since the SD821 is already a great performer. Bezels seem even larger than the 1st gen

I got the Mi MIX in pre order so roughly 10 monts ago. Time files and I still feel like I would buy it a month ago.
The new mix did not bring in anything appealing to me... Samaller screen and no amoled... Smaller battery... the only two thing I like about it more than v1 is the metal frame and OIS..
No I will not buy it.

I'm disappointed too:
No P-OLED/AMOLED
No 2k/4k screen
Smaller batterry
Smaller screen size (not critical)
No way guys
Wrong way, china guys.

Seems like the top bezel is slightly larger on the new MIX. Cost of jamming a speaker in there I guess. I'm very content with the sound on the original anyway.
Special edition without 256gb??
Like the small rounded screen corners on the first. MI MIX 2 seems to have the same wide corners as the rest of the 2017 smartphone lineup.
Was never going to upgrade now anyway. Waiting for next 8XX chip + way....waaay to happy with my MIX.
Only compromise I would be ok with on the MIX 2 is the camera hump. OIS is sweet.

I have mix and mix 2 is absolutely terrible because it doesn't look like unique phone anymore. I got tired of charging my phone every evening, so a +4000 Mah battery was a nobrainer for me to get mix, now its ughhh.

Yes, i'm very disappointed...
was hoping that could have been a decent replacement for Note 4 with promised 6.4 oled screen and 4K battery, but....
with IPS, without 3.5 jack, smaller 6.0 screen and without microsd card slot this phone is not even an option. Very sad.
Also the bezels look huge in comparison with the renders distributed by xiaomi to create hype, which has left a very disappointing feeling that you were promised one thing and offered a very different one...
at the end of the day, the phone did not meet all the hype created, and is a flop (imho)

all im gonna say is.... ill definitely stick to my original mi mix.

Because some people (maybe alot) dont accep the 6.44' size. Their cant use, cant handle it. Then Xiaomi release Mix 2 to help their product come to more people and not to kill the Mix 1, smaller screen size make Mix 1 still alive.
But...the point is...Xiaomi next step...equal to turn back into their fan. I cant accept that. I want bigger screen..!! 6.44'..!! 7..!! But not... If the screent cant bigger.? I want better camera. Yes, they update it. But not enough. I dont care about snap 835. I care about 3400Mah battery. And yes...Mix still alive. Because I will stay with my Mix. My next phone is Note 8. I have hand-on it already. "Wow.! Beautiful". That all i can say. Bye bye mix 2. We will talk again when mix 3 release.
(Sorry about my bad English. But i really..!! Really want to talk about my dissapointed)

It seems Xiaomi used the Mix 1 has a test prototype to see if the technology was feasible and if there was a demand for the bezel-less concept. Since then all the big manufacturers jumped on board too and so the Mix 2 appears to be Xiaomi's attempt to compete with a more mainstream design. This is clear from the smaller width and the use of the more traditional speaker earpiece. Unfortunately this means it no longer stands out or looks futuristic. I still love my Mix 1 but I still like to try the new models so am now on the fence whether to get the Mix 2 or the Essential. The all-ceramic limited edition is tempting as I am a sucker for build quality and advanced materials.

#1: the screen size is a matter of personal preference; you can't please everyone.
6" might be the sweet spot for me in such a package.
#2: I like the fact that Xiaomi introduced another colour & diversified the choice of materials.
It's much harder to scratch a frame, however, most Mi MIX fails were devices which fell on a corner & cracked.
This shouldn't be an issue now with the aluminum frame. Ceramic is still there where it matters - the back.
#3: the camera was an epic fail on the original MIX, & an update to the IMX386 is welcome.
#4: epic fail on the form factor: a slim phone might be easier to hold, but as difficult to handle in 1 hand mode - example: reaching the top parts of the phone.
In addition, there is little to no content in 18:9, thus leading to letterboxing & waste of screen realestate.
#5: the drop in battery capacity to 3500mAh is a huge step back.