while I realize that many people hate benchmarks the truth in my humble opinion as a windows hacker and android enthusiast is that benchmarks, run properly, can tell you a whole lot. there is some variances but usually that is from screen brightness settings, running at different core temps, background apps, widgets, and waving the accelerometer around like you just don't care lol. and you can say all you want to synthetic means nothing but the fact is even manufacturer's use benchmarks in their testing of new chips as well. just look at the current benchmarks from sd 600 vs sd 800 from qualcom. so I have decided to carefully benchmark every kernel myself to find what gives ME the best user expieriance. maybe it will help the dev's, maybe not. maybe it will help you, maybe you hate my dog and want to skin my cat.
a benchmark can tell you how well the kernel makes use of the hardware so for testing purposes I have used stock rom on all tests. I have set up my cold box for testing so that the cpu and gpu do not suffer and return quickly to normal and have set brightness at 50. testing is done stationary against the back of the cold box proped so that cool air flows over the systemboard. for testing purposes there is only the stock clock widget and micro cpu monitor and a few battery temp/sytem stats apps running. after each benchmark the tablet memory was swept. all benchmarks were run 3 times and the highest score given is used here unless there was a wild varient and then it was tracked down and all benches ran again. after contemplating it i ran some of these plugged up to the ac on my cold box and sometimes i forgot to plug it up. and some using debugging but i honestly doubt that had an effect. so at any rate my benches will probably be a little lower than yours on all these kernels as im running stuff to keep me informed in the background
im also not really comparing custom kernels to one another but I do to stock kernel, every last one of them are great and offer a lot of features you cant get with stock. all offer performance above stock if the proper settings are used and the overclocks are not to extreme for the framework. they are all also still works in progress so I think they will improve with the developers attention as time goes by. i started with stock kernel and ran antutu, quadrant, velimo, 3d mark ice storm, 3d mark ice storm extreme, basemark x, gfxbench 2.7.0 t-rex hd onscreen, gfx 2.7 egypt hd onscreen
stock kernel
stock ran well and i liked it, but i hated having to long press wifi to toggle and short press takes you to settings, wtf google?
edit.... so at any rate my benches will probably be a little lower than yours on all these kernels as im running stuff to keep me informed in the background
whatever flo 002 kernel
the kernel ran smooth and i liked it. i have the same complaints about it as i do stock. wtf google?
so on this kernel as you can see it functioned better than stock on every single benchmark. some were close but just a little better is...well...better.
jassy release 5 kernel
this kernel is set up to use an external kernel control app. it will not function worth a hill of beans without it in my testing. and even further than that it seems to not like trickster mod for me as it bench's higher with faux kernel control app paid version. real world expierance is good. fauxclock is set to 1.89 ghz CPU OC. cpu ondemand governor. snake charmer and mpdecision on. intelithermal at 60 and 80 respectfully. gpu at 487. gpu simple governor. fiops i/o at 512 read ahead. as you can see in cpu and gpu performance it face smashes stock kernel then kicks it while its down and makes it cry for momma. i dont know what the dude pasted into this kernel but i like it. jassy worked hard so we could have a full featured kernel that works well. release 6 = win, release 5 o yeah baby performance even ondemand. i could still kick this to performance governor lol
elementalx 0.7 kernel
settings with no external kernel control app.
1988 cpu overclock on each core. 487 gpu overclock. simple gpu governor. stock bus. stock voltage. no stw, dtw. the kernel ran well in real world performance. STW and DTW are awsome features by the way and i really like this kernel but didnt install them for testing purposes, one less potential irritation. as you can see it actually lost a bit from stock performance though in every benchmark except basemarkx and gfxbench 2.7 t rex. that tells me there is a problem with cpu performance in this kernel. also look at the cpu vs gpu in antutu vs stock kernel. so what i like this kernel and with lower clocks, dude it rocks. stw and dtw are wins.
elementalx 0.7
settings with no external control app.
1890 cpu overclock on each core. 487 gpu overclock. ondemand governor. stock bus.stock voltage. no stw, no dtw. again the kernel ran well in real world performance but as you can see it took a serious hit in performance at this cpu clock setting. the gpu features continue to score high though
elementalx 0.7 kernel
settings with no external kernel control app.
1728 cpu overclock on each core. 487 gpu overclock. ondemand governor. stock bus. stock voltage. no stw, dtw.
as usual really nice running and here the voltage values are more sane i guess. bested stock in every bench. i figure 1.9 ish before the poo poo hits the fan and performance benches go south rather than north. that seems about the same for the other kernels ive tested too. flar2 really has a winning kernel here with stw and dtw. highly recommend giving it a try
3flo v4 kernel
not testing this one yet as my boy doesn't even have the nexus 7 2013 but I tell ya, I got a good feeling about him. seems dedicated and excited.
Edit...he just got a mpdecision kernel booting and posting good scores but has a cores on touch problem for me. Very beta but it shows that even without a device you can build. Still got a good feeling about this one.
faux123 flo jb 4.3 001 kernel ulta
not coming. I can boot it and even run at highest settings but antutu ehh and im tired lol. maybe ill do it if the overclock structures are changed in some way but ehh not interested in this high on this chip.
faux123 flo jb 4.3 001 ES
settings. faux 123 kernel control paid version. 1.512 ghzcpu. mpdecision off. cpu governor ondemand. snake charmer on. stock voltages. intelli thermal 60 and 80. gpu 400 and ondemand. fiops I/o 512 read ahead.
so here you can see again the same slight loss in gpu performance which lead to slightly lower scores than stock. cool kernel though and I do like intelli thermal so
faux123 flo jb 4.3 001 kernel mainline
settings in faux123 kernel control app paid version. 1.83 cpu OC. CPU Governor ondemand. intelliplug. mpdecision off. eco modeoff. snake charmer on. stock voltages. intelli thermal 60 and 80. gpu 400. gpu governor ondemand. fiops I/o 512 read ahead.
so I found the kernel smooth in real world. I looked for my sweet spot and found it around 1.836-1.89 cpu. above that didn't really work out well for me. so in this great kernel the cpu benchmarks higher than stock but for one reason or other the gpu seems to bench lower than stock. all in all a great kernel and omg I love the idea of eco mode and I think with proper cpu governor and eco this kernel would rock some battery butt.
Tiny kernel
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Hey everyone...I tell ya, I sure am enjoying all these awesome custom roms and kernels. Great job to all the developers here, putting in the blood, sweat, and tears for the advancement of the community, thank you so much. One feature that I saw in a Xoom build was the GPU overclocked, and while I'm sure it won't interest everyone, and there is probably only little gain to be had from it, I would love to have the option to oc the CPU and the GPU for the highest performance possible...please. Well I think that covers it unless someone else shares my desire to see this feature. Thanks for all your work and consideration XDA and have a great day.
if ur CPU OC than GPU too
Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
Hey Thor, thanks for joining the conversation. Based on what youve seen so far, how well are the tegra GPU cores being utilized? Suffice to say I've pulled off insane desktop GPU overclocks that showed almost nill gain with drivers that werent mature in which the GPU cores werent being loaded past 50% . I realize that the tegra is a horse of a different color, but isnt it still affected by the specific driver optimizations, hence the THD enhancements? Just out of curiosity as I very much trust your experience. I am still interested in trying it with definitive comparisons to follow...well about as definitive as synthetic benchmarks can be anyway.
I just saw that you have a new beta... Yay. I cant wait to give it a whirl.
I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
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Can only the 3D Clocks be altered without touching 2D? If yes can you make such a version of the ........... that "nobody" knows anything about?
Trinnity66 said:
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Very nice quadrant score man, I used to score alot higher until I updated to stock 3.1+ updates. It seems like the higher my OS version number gets, the lower my synthetic performance gets overall.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
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that's what mine did. it would reboot while sleeping. sometimes it would be 3 or 4 times in an hour.
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I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
nexgenasian said:
Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
thats the kernel i am using o/c 1400 works very well. you can find it in the development thread.
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
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Thanks! Works great. Do you feel the HoneyVillian rom runs faster with the v2.4 Kernel or about the same as stock Acer 3.1 HC rom with v2.4 Kernel?
So far I can keep stable at 1.5 after 2 hours of use. It's also slept for 30 mins and seems ok at that too.
Also what kind of Scaling do you guys use? Ondeman, Interactive? On my phone I use ondemand.
If the SGX540 in P1000 can be overclocked to 370MHz, the performance of it can be highly improved like in Overcome Kernel.
(Can be showed in Quadrant Standard Edition. When it is in 370 MHz, the fps in the graphic animation of DNA can be promoted to 60fps. And got no lagging in anything. The speed(smoothness is nearly reached S2 which is official 2.3.6)
But however, it doesn't seem that any ICS supporting kernel can set the clock of GPU.
I am sorry that my English is not good enough to represent my idea, but I hope you can get what I am talking about.
And the most reason I want it to be real is that the potential of P1000 is quite big and in fact it is quite good!
PS Antutu SetCPU app can set GPU clock in Overcome Kernel.
Dang, I never knew that our GPU can be overclocked ^^
since this tab is getting old, maybe its time to overclock the gpu also?
Personally I'm agree with this
Probs a little off topic, (also to bump this up a bit)
But the Gnex which uses the same GPU can be overclocked to 512Mhz (Stock is 300 something I think), improvement seems noticeable in apps and in nenamark, you go from 27-28ish FPS to 31-32.
It would really help the tab, it seems to show age now (which makes me lust over a 7.7......)
What I knew is the potential of SGX540 in GNexus and GT are different.
GT one is 200MHz and GNexus one is 374MHz.
In Overcome Kernel w/ GT, the clock of SGX540 can be set to 370~38X Mhz w/ no crush but when it is 400MHz , the machine is seemed to be lagged.
The benchmark in Overcome 4.1 plus Overcome Kernel 4.0 can be promoted over the GT 7.7 (of course the mark doesn't represent the real using experience but let's just look at the 3D mark)
http: / / i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/ngtinching/SC20120401-173417.jpg
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What I knew is the potential of SGX540 in GNexus and GT are different.
GT one is 200MHz and GNexus one is 374MHz.
In Overcome Kernel w/ GT, the clock of SGX540 can be set to 370~38X Mhz w/ no crush but when it is 400MHz , the machine is seemed to be lagged.
The benchmark in Overcome 4.1 plus Overcome Kernel 4.0 can be promoted over the GT 7.7 (of course the mark doesn't represent the real using experience but let's just look at the 3D mark)
http: / / i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/ngtinching/SC20120401-173417.jpg
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Haha, yea I know they have different potentials Just that I thought I'd let you guys know how much better overclocking the GPU would be.
I think its worth it, there is little impact on battery life, but the improvements in apps and usage are noticeable.
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Haha, yea I know they have different potentials Just that I thought I'd let you guys know how much better overclocking the GPU would be.
I think its worth it, there is little impact on battery life, but the improvements in apps and usage are noticeable.
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I think the battery usage for extra cost of GPU is not as high as CPU.
It is being a great difference if we compared the overclocking for either CPU and GPU.
The consumption of GPU is low and it won't make the device hot as CPU overclocking.
And the temperature can keep around 35 to 36 degree Celsius under a room temperature 20 Degree Celsius.
The result screenshot I have posted is undergoing CPU overclocked (1.4GHz) plus GPU overclocked(370MHz) w/ overcome kernel and rom.
Success!!!
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If the SGX540 in P1000 can be overclocked to 370MHz, the performance of it can be highly improved like in Overcome Kernel.
(Can be showed in Quadrant Standard Edition. When it is in 370 MHz, the fps in the graphic animation of DNA can be promoted to 60fps. And got no lagging in anything. The speed(smoothness is nearly reached S2 which is official 2.3.6)
But however, it doesn't seem that any ICS supporting kernel can set the clock of GPU.
I am sorry that my English is not good enough to represent my idea, but I hope you can get what I am talking about.
And the most reason I want it to be real is that the potential of P1000 is quite big and in fact it is quite good!
PS Antutu SetCPU app can set GPU clock in Overcome Kernel.
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Hello, i have been trying to implement LiveOC into humberos's kernel and it is a success
LiveOC
This allows us to modify the bus speed which increase both the cpu and gpu clock at the same time using an app called NStools
i have only been using this for a day now and it seems to be working very well
please report back any bugs thank you,
BTW i will post the settings i have used in NStools and this kernel is for the latest MTD build
Link: http://www.4shared.com/file/216rF_WJ/boot.html?
My settings:
Governor: smartassV2
min CPU freq: 200MHz (240MHz after applying OC Value)
Max CPU freq: 1000MHz (1200MHz after applying OC Value)
OC target low: 200MHz
OC target high: 1000MHz
OC Value: 120%
hello20 said:
Hello, i have been trying to implement LiveOC into humberos's kernel and it is a success
LiveOC
This allows us to modify the bus speed which increase both the cpu and gpu clock at the same time using an app called NStools
i have only been using this for a day now and it seems to be working very well
please report back any bugs thank you,
BTW i will post the settings i have used in NStools and this kernel is for the latest MTD build
Link: http://www.4shared.com/file/216rF_WJ/boot.html?
My settings:
Governor: smartassV2
min CPU freq: 200MHz (240MHz after applying OC Value)
Max CPU freq: 1000MHz (1200MHz after applying OC Value)
OC target low: 200MHz
OC target high: 1000MHz
OC Value: 120%
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I'll give that a try when I get home (or maybe a few days later). So which ICS rom did you try this on?
EDIT: In terms of quadrant (which I know can be a bit volatile... but a nice way/quick way to see differences), ICS gets a lower mem score :< 3d is slightly lower, 2d is about double (I suspect thats forcing 2d rendering). This is comparing the gtab score in quadrant, I haven't used GB on my tab for a longgg time...)
how can i implement the boot.img file into the system???
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how can i implement the boot.img file into the system???
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This kernel is one i did 2 months ago and since then it has been updated. the kernel is in my most recent ROM
henryedwardrose said:
This kernel is one i did 2 months ago and since then it has been updated. the kernel is in my most recent ROM
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thanks for the information
as a newbie, i just thought another aokp by stimpz0r is identical
there is a strange point which is the fc of the camera while the shutter sound is closed, but it works while enabling the shutter sound
It is a great rom and thank you for your great work
Running SMOOTH 4.3 + Motley, the ROM post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1899024 claims about 5800 quadrant score on this combo, but I'm still hitting about 3700 only. Any ideas?
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Running SMOOTH 4.3 + Motley, the ROM post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1899024 claims about 5800 quadrant score on this combo, but I'm still hitting about 3700 only. Any ideas?
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not that quadrant is important or anything like that, but youre doing it wrong.
1. set your cpu speed to highest cpu speed high/higest cpu speed low.
2. ondemand or interactive governor, deadline scheduler.
3. turn off fsync.
4. disable hotpugging/enable all four cores(i don't know if motley kernel has this feature).
5. enable gpu rendering in the devices main settings, developer options.
6. 5800 is weaksauce
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not that quadrant is important or anything like that, but youre doing it wrong.
1. set your cpu speed to highest cpu speed high/higest cpu speed low.
2. ondemand or interactive governor, deadline scheduler.
3. turn off fsync.
4. disable hotpugging/enable all four cores(i don't know if motley kernel has this feature).
5. enable gpu rendering in the devices main settings, developer options.
6. 5800 is weaksauce
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Indeed, quadrant doesn't really matter. I get more than 7000, running smoothROM and m-kernel, but you shouldn't care about that score as long as your device is running nice and smooth.
as long as your tablet is running all the apps you want smoothly and quickly with no lags, you're fine with what it is. I'm using smoothrom and motley and it's perfect for what I need it to do. just enjoy the tablet before you end up bricking it.:good:
I Need the Best gaming Lollipop Rom for I9505 with great performance and Battery life ?
That would be AOSP rom by the JDCTeam.
Make sure you set alucard kernel to the extreme performance or performance profile if you want better performance in gaming.
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I Need the Best gaming Lollipop Rom for I9505 with great performance and Battery life ?
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"great performance and Battery life ?" Performence or battery life! 5.1.1 CM with Alucard Kernel
if you get an alucard kernel in your rom then the raising the minimum clock speed to 810 khz on all four cores and the minimum for GPU speed to 200 khz it will help.
*gentle fair sleepers off
*arch power on
*CPU governors to ondemand or alucard with alucard hotplug
in developer option hardware overlays to off.
personally I think ktkernel was better with more options but you'd need to stick to AOSP 5.0 for that or lower
If he were to stick to older android versions (5.0 and lower) then he might aswell get KT kernel, which gives him the posibility of overclocking the CPU and GPU, something that is missing from the other kernels right now.
GPU overclocking isn't really stable, it actually takes away from the gaming experience.
How can increasing the GPU frequency, and therefor the performance, be bad?
If you overclock it too high of course it is unstable. But you should be able to take around 500 MHz easily.
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How can increasing the GPU frequency, and therefor the performance, be bad?
If you overclock it too high of course it is unstable. But you should be able to take around 500 MHz easily.
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I can't remember the steps you get in kt but I'm pretty sure the uppermost ones were next to unusable, 500 is only just above the standard speed.
the games are always going to have a fixed system requirement levels based on the hardware we have so there isn't that much to gain over optimisations for our roms I feel...
I always judge a rom based on how well it can play shadowgun deadzone. most untweakable kernel rom combos aren't so great fresh out of the box.
Well, I used KT kernel in the 5.0 days. I ran a gaming profile created by ktoonsez himself, which had GPU overclock, and ran stable all the way.
I usually judge a rom by how fast it opens the settings app. This presumes that the app was fully closed, otherwise it will just switch to it, wich is a lot faster than actually opening it. Also, animations are all off.
So, between the pressing of the icon and the actual opening of the app there will be a black screen (if animations are turned off). The longer you see that black screen, the slower the rom is.
Is there any kernel that allows one to overclock the 6p's GPU and/or RAM? I know you can overclock both CPU clusters so I thought this might be possible as well.
Also, I read awhile ago that undervolting was not possible on the 6p. Does this still hold true?
Thanks
Would still love to know if this is possible. I know that the Snapdragon810 version 2.1 is inside the 6p, which has a stock GPU clock of 630mhz but unfortunately it's onlyclocked to 600mhz.
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Is there any kernel that allows one to overclock the 6p's GPU and/or RAM? I know you can overclock both CPU clusters so I thought this might be possible as well.
Also, I read awhile ago that undervolting was not possible on the 6p. Does this still hold true?
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The max frequency for the GPU is at 600 mHz. And speaking based on my own usage (as I have no data about other uses), it's very rare for the phone to reach that frequency, even when doing gpu-intensive tasks like gaming. So I think that value would suffice for the heaviest graphical tasks you'd throw at it. That said I've tried almost every kernel out there-AK, Kylo, Franco, Elemental, Googymax, Lean, Zigzag, and God's (back in the day) and have never seen a GPU value higher than 600 mHz so I guess that's the max limit which the GPU reaches as far as kernel tweaking goes.
As for RAM, I don't think there's such thing as "overclocking" it, though some custom Kernels provide customization for ZRAM, Low Memory killers, Virtual memory options, etc. If you wish to maximize the available RAM and memory performance then disabling ZRAM and tweaking the other values will be the way to go.
As for undervolting, I could gather from past reading that the values are only present on most kernel tweaking apps for visibility purposes. Mainly for People to know the stock voltages of the phone. I don't think it can be tweaked, and in the first place tweaking it is not ideal due to the big.Little nature of the SD 810.
Overall, my personal opinion is that even if such extreme customization (GPU and RAM, undervolting) is possible I'm afraid it won't be practical. The overall custom kernel development the phone enjoys is already top notch, and already pushes the boundaries of performance and battery life. (thanks to our Kernel Devs) Suffice to say we are currently in kernel tweaking heaven already.