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So... how much free ram do you have?

I have the Advanced Task Killer app for my phone (new android user lol) and with autokill set to "Crazy" on screen-off.
so most of the time I'll have ~200mb free ram. makes me feel good with big numbers.
but as i run more applications(settings/whatever), more com services start to run. i'm just wondering if there's a list somewhere (searched the net numerous times) about safe com-services to kill.
all in all... how much free ram do you have on average before/after kills?

I always have 90-110M ram

I've got AutoKiller set to aggressive, leaves me with about 100mb free. More than enough, imo.
I read somewhere that using task managers to kill apps ends them in an... improper way? Might want to look into AutoKiller instead ;o

steffe.jst said:
I've got AutoKiller set to aggressive, leaves me with about 100mb free. More than enough, imo.
I read somewhere that using task managers to kill apps ends them in an... improper way? Might want to look into AutoKiller instead ;o
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quite right, they interfere with androids memory management and can in fact actually cause slowdowns. Android like most modern operating systems have pretty good memory management and things that try and take that role over usually just end up causing issues.
I was using aggressive but have moved to strict and find that just as good, the lower you can go the better really.
Free memory is really wasted memory in modern OS's.

If the device constantly has 60MB free ram, i dont really see the real benefit of it having 200MB of ram.. i mean i expect it to perform the same since it is not running out of ram yet.

EarlZ said:
If the device constantly has 60MB free ram, i dont really see the real benefit of it having 200MB of ram.. i mean i expect it to perform the same since it is not running out of ram yet.
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Trouble is, if you go too low on this device it becomes very laggy. As I type this I am down to 42mb and the thing is a dog!

Kilack said:
quite right, they interfere with androids memory management and can in fact actually cause slowdowns. Android like most modern operating systems have pretty good memory management and things that try and take that role over usually just end up causing issues.
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What makes me wonder if you let Android do everything on its own (eg. not close applications until more ram is needed), isn't the CPU used a lot more? Some programs aren't just on standby when not used afaik.

I reckon you're doing exactly the opposite. See, unless the app has service like functions it's unlikely to be using any clock cycles when onPause or onStop functions has been called.
On the other hand, if you simply kill an app the entire process of loading parts of app into RAM will have to be executed again, should you decide to start the app up again.

steffe.jst said:
I reckon you're doing exactly the opposite. See, unless the app has service like functions it's unlikely to be using any clock cycles when onPause or onStop functions has been called.
On the other hand, if you simply kill an app the entire process of loading parts of app into RAM will have to be executed again, should you decide to start the app up again.
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If the app does have services running which are doing things like maintaining a database, syncing with servers, etc. then force closing these background tasks may corrupt databases and cause other problems. The services are probably set up to auto start as well, so they will just come right back and use up battery+cpu reinitializing.
Also, you don't need 200mb of ram free when your phone isn't doing anything. If you do launch something that needs 200mb of ram, then your phone will kill off everything it needs (in this order-> apps without any windows, background windows, background services).
Also, most people will use the same apps (email, phone, etc) throughout the day, and only occasionally launch new apps. If you follow this usage, and you use a task killer, then every time you go into email, the email application has to fully restart which costs you battery, disk acces, etc.

hmm true. i guess i'm just ram hungry. i get about 150~ on average though. i should probably go back to autokiller and put it on a lower threshold.
but damn, my phone drains 30% overnight? it's appalling, anyone has that issue?

Adevem said:
hmm true. i guess i'm just ram hungry. i get about 150~ on average though. i should probably go back to autokiller and put it on a lower threshold.
but damn, my phone drains 30% overnight? it's appalling, anyone has that issue?
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You possibly have something on a high refresh interval, which is waking the phone throughout the night to sync. I was having this problem when I frist installed twitter as it ended up on a 15min refresh. I now have everything on the same refresh cycle, 3hrs I think, and now the phone is pretty much fully charged still in the morning.

impossible, I've for every syncs I know set to off. but I've flashed samset and all that good stuff so I shall monitor over the days!

My average is about 150 too , some times even 200

I have never seen 200MB of free MB. About 150 is the maximum I can get up to right now.
Still, why does the android OS use up so much RAM?

snapper.fishes said:
I have never seen 200MB of free MB. About 150 is the maximum I can get up to right now.
Still, why does the android OS use up so much RAM?
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Because it can.
Aslong as there's enough free ram (determined by values alterable with AutoKiller) Android won't close applications/services for the simple reason that "Free RAM is wasted RAM". The only "benefit" of having tons of free RAM is epeen factor and possibly sometimes if you happen to load up a very RAM heavy game.
Note the "possibly sometimes"

jonidroid said:
My average is about 150 too , some times even 200
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My most often available RAM if I leave things untouched and see 20+ programs running is about 80mb. If/when I am using ATK (I use manual mode), I see about 150, but 50+ goes into my UI combo (LauncherPro + Quickdesk + WidgetLocker + Widgets)
Adevem said:
hmm true. i guess i'm just ram hungry. i get about 150~ on average though. i should probably go back to autokiller and put it on a lower threshold.
but damn, my phone drains 30% overnight? it's appalling, anyone has that issue?
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Adevem said:
I have the Advanced Task Killer app for my phone (new android user lol) and with autokill set to "Crazy" on screen-off.
so most of the time I'll have ~200mb free ram. makes me feel good with big numbers.
but as i run more applications(settings/whatever), more com services start to run. i'm just wondering if there's a list somewhere (searched the net numerous times) about safe com-services to kill.
all in all... how much free ram do you have on average before/after kills?
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Two biggest things that kill my battery when I'm not "using" the device is sync and ATK. Do not use ATK at night, no matter what, it's essentially wasted. IMO, for typical users there is also more costs associated with autosync during the night than benefits (cost = battery life, and a tiny bit of bandwidth... benefit = having the info available when you turn ur screen on rather than waiting less than 5 mins to get said info).
What ATK essentially does is take the phone out of an idle mode, run the processor to clear up memory. Then, Android does it's thing and opens more programs, recreating the need and a vicious cycle of close-open-close-open where you are using processor that is completely unnecessary. It sounds like you already have your answers and solution from this thread, but I'm just here to reaffirm your belief.
I'm also a bit of a RAM queen, but I only use ATK in the following two scenarios:
1) I'm about to do some heavy tasks (usually gaming, sometimes a GPS tracking)
2) I've just synced and updated to the marketplace (everything under the sun has launched and I just want to see them closed.
In both of these scenarios I actually kill ATK as well, I open it back up and see about 180mb of free RAM (and as I've said, I have about 50mb dedicated to my custom UI).
- Unrooted SHW-m110s, Korean, Galaxy S (waiting for FroYo).

alovell83 said:
I'm also a bit of a RAM queen, but I only use ATK in the following two scenarios:
1) I'm about to do some heavy tasks (usually gaming, sometimes a GPS tracking)
2) I've just synced and updated to the marketplace (everything under the sun has launched and I just want to see them closed.
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I'm curious if this helps you at all - if I run ATK to kill tasks before starting a game, the game launches maybe 1-2 seconds quicker, but actually running ATK to kill the tasks takes 5+ seconds. Once I'm inside a game/benchmark, my fps seems to be identical.
Do you see the same thing? If so, why do you use ATK?

326Mb on i9000ugjg9
same with the international version
Adevem said:
I have the Advanced Task Killer app for my phone (new android user lol) and with autokill set to "Crazy" on screen-off.
so most of the time I'll have ~200mb free ram. makes me feel good with big numbers.
but as i run more applications(settings/whatever), more com services start to run. i'm just wondering if there's a list somewhere (searched the net numerous times) about safe com-services to kill.
all in all... how much free ram do you have on average before/after kills?
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AllGamer said:
326Mb on i9000ugjg9
same with the international version
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326mb as reported by atk ?

AllGamer said:
326Mb on i9000ugjg9
same with the international version
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Sure you're not looking at total RAM available? 'Cause that's the number I see when I go into Samsung's Task Manager (X/326MB).
Also jg9? I must've missed something

Fix Battery life and memory "leaks"

I am now on 25 hours without a charge and still have 65% battery left. Previously I couldn't make it through the day without hooking up the umbilical cord of life. I used to clear apps regularly with the stock task manager but would start out with 150MB free after boot and by the end of the day could not get better than 80MB free. Everyone was crying memory leaks. These are NOT memory leaks but errant programs that cache behind trhe scenes draining your battery and stealing resources. They are also immune to the stock task killer.
I found these bad bad apps by installing Memory Booster Lite from the market. After getting a 0 applications closed I went into the Task Killer in Memory Booster and found a bunch of apps loaded into memory still! Things like Google + hogging 28 MB of memory! There was Amazon Appstore, Maps, Facebook, Beatiful Widgets, Email, Telenav, Netflix, logsprovider....all immune to the stock task killer and slowly eating memory during the day as they load. I killed all the ones I recognized (no com.XXXX stuff) and then checked back in a few minutes to see what would reload. Google +, Beautiful Widgets, Facebook, Maps, and others would reload. Using the paid version of Titanium backup I froze apps like Google +, Maps, Netflix, and others that I don't use daily. You can use other apps for this like Autostarts. I deleted apps that are not worth my memory and battery power. I also set all syncs to manual and keep the display down as low as I need to. The results were tripling my battery life. I also stay on Wifi as much as possible and as soon as I get off XDA App, Tapatalk or any browser clear it with the stock task killer. I always have about 140 MB free now.
Your mileage may vary. The display is the biggest battery killer so if your a gamer, or spend hours reading, don't expect a lot of improvement from this but you will see some. I hope this helps battery life and memory leak myths for some of you.
The important thing in this forum is to have fun and help others.

I'm not trolling, and you do have great suggestions here. I just wish there were some easy way to get an entire day of full use without having to get an extended battery while using the epic to its full potential. I like autosync, adecently lit screen, and my range of Widgets which I use daily. Too bad I can't go more than 16 hours with everything on. I have tried at one point most of your suggestions, and it did greatly improve battery life. I suggest anyone at least give it a shot and then slowly turn back on the things they must have, like gmail sync or haptic feedback.
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Blankrubber, this is a good place to add on to what I just found. The key is to see what else is running that is immune to the stock task killer. I never knew how much Google + and Maps were killing my battery. I got rid of my extended battery long ago but now I am sill amazed. 29 hours and 52% left. But the key when you say using it fully is limiting display time and intensity. No matter what that is the biggest drain so if you are glued to your phone for over 4 hours it will always be tough to make it last. Phones that used to be just phones could go days without charge. Now they are little computers. Think...laptops only go about 2 hours runtime without a charge and those batteries are a lot bigger.

I use Bloat Freezer myself. It shows whatever is running in the background highlighted in gray. Google+,Maps, the others Kenny mentioned are the usual suspects. Doing what Kenny said will help out for sure. Yes, its annoying we have to do this to extend battery life but some apps are always at work. Memory Booster is pretty good. Viper baked it in a ROM a while back. Its definately worth checking out
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JohnCorleone said:
I use Bloat Freezer myself. It shows whatever is running in the background highlighted in gray. Google+,Maps, the others Kenny mentioned are the usual suspects. Doing what Kenny said will help out for sure. Yes, its annoying we have to do this to extend battery life but some apps are always at work. Memory Booster is pretty good. Viper baked it in a ROM a while back. Its definately worth checking out
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Thanks John, hard to keep up on all these apps to help manage apps and memory. Will have to check out Bloat Freezer. Hope there are less steps than Titanium to unfreeze.

I highly recommend Autokiller Memory.
After reading the dev's page and all he found I installed the app and after setting it up, its maintained my memory free of immune apps and battery life us off the hook!
Sent from an Epic with 4G

If something is just sitting in memory why would that have any effect on battery life? It should actually improve your battery life cuz then it just loads the app from memory and not a full re open of the app. Now if your saying that these questionable apps are just running processes then yes that would have an effect on battery as it is just sitting there doing something. But back to the memory side of this. Memory is used in all devices to take some of the load off the processor to make it load faster. It is there for a reason every device would not use memory if it was not efficient at loading apps and saving battery.

But if you only use the app once a week or so why waste those resources or the initial load time. If it sits in memory and another app needs that memory the processor uses more power and battery swapping apps in and out of memory needlessly. My phone is super fast and running 32 hours with 46% left. I can't put up a better argument than those results. Memory swapping is bad on battery it seems.
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kennyglass123 said:
Thanks John, hard to keep up on all these apps to help manage apps and memory. Will have to check out Bloat Freezer. Hope there are less steps than Titanium to unfreeze.
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I button to press to unfreeze with Bloat Freezer....actually 2. You press menu softkey then unfreeze all. The phones baked in apps are in red, running apps highlighted gray, and frozen apps blue. Its really user friendly
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kennyglass123 said:
I am now on 25 hours without a charge and still have 65% battery left. Previously I couldn't make it through the day without hooking up the umbilical cord of life. I used to clear apps regularly with the stock task manager but would start out with 150MB free after boot and by the end of the day could not get better than 80MB free. Everyone was crying memory leaks. These are NOT memory leaks but errant programs that cache behind trhe scenes draining your battery and stealing resources. They are also immune to the stock task killer.
I found these bad bad apps by installing Memory Booster Lite from the market. After getting a 0 applications closed I went into the Task Killer in Memory Booster and found a bunch of apps loaded into memory still! Things like Google + hogging 28 MB of memory! There was Amazon Appstore, Maps, Facebook, Beatiful Widgets, Email, Telenav, Netflix, logsprovider....all immune to the stock task killer and slowly eating memory during the day as they load. I killed all the ones I recognized (no com.XXXX stuff) and then checked back in a few minutes to see what would reload. Google +, Beautiful Widgets, Facebook, Maps, and others would reload. Using the paid version of Titanium backup I froze apps like Google +, Maps, Netflix, and others that I don't use daily. You can use other apps for this like Autostarts. I deleted apps that are not worth my memory and battery power. I also set all syncs to manual and keep the display down as low as I need to. The results were tripling my battery life. I also stay on Wifi as much as possible and as soon as I get off XDA App, Tapatalk or any browser clear it with the stock task killer. I always have about 140 MB free now.
Your mileage may vary. The display is the biggest battery killer so if your a gamer, or spend hours reading, don't expect a lot of improvement from this but you will see some. I hope this helps battery life and memory leak myths for some of you.
The important thing in this forum is to have fun and help others.
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1: you must never actually use your phone at all, if you do then your battery claims are bs
2: you obviously don't understand much about android/linux and how memory functionality works
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Zeinzu said:
1: you must never actually use your phone at all, if you do then your battery claims are bs
2: you obviously don't understand much about android/linux and how memory functionality works
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Whatever dude. Look at my posts count and thanks count. Got this phone a week after it came out in September and never could get better than 16 hours life out of the battery. I do a few simple things as posted and am at 38% with 32 hours. Obviously you are the one without a clue. Troll out of my thread if you have nothing constructive to add. Believe me or not I have nothing to gain by posting this.
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Zeinzu said:
1: you must never actually use your phone at all, if you do then your battery claims are bs
2: you obviously don't understand much about android/linux and how memory functionality works
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I've been around the Android platform for more than 3 years. I've pretty much read all google has shared with us (the Military) for application development and I do agree that there are dormit services that hog up your memory / battery even when your not using the phone.
I agree with this dev and his tool: http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
I think that he nailed it when he found out how did Android manage memory and the determination it takes in order to "kill" what you don't use.
Now... Do you care to share what you know about the subject that we don't, in stead of just coming bashing and leaving?
This is a forum, we are more than open to debates here.

megabiteg said:
I've been around the Android platform for more than 3 years. I've pretty much read all google has shared with us (the Military) for application development and I do agree that there are dormit services that hog up your memory / battery even when your not using the phone.
I agree with this dev and his tool: http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
I think that he nailed it when he found out how did Android manage memory and the determination it takes in order to "kill" what you don't use.
Now... Do you care to share what you know about that we don't, in stead of just coming bashing and leaving?
This is a forum, we are more than open to debates here.
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the v6supercharger fixed these issues for me. also if you use go launcher, there is a tab in the app drawer of running apps which you can close with ease!

megabiteg said:
I highly recommend Autokiller Memory.
After reading the dev's page and all he found I installed the app and after setting it up, its maintained my memory free of immune apps and battery life us off the hook!
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that's the app i use...i only kill the apps that don't close properly after i use them and frozen some services with titanium...i have amazing battery life (eco5 btw, gingerbread is not stable enough for me)

Tw wats ur onscreen time?? Would u post some screenshots? The longest battery I ever had was like 15 hours and 4 hours of onscreen time with around 10% left
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omair2005 said:
the v6supercharger fixed these issues for me. also if you use go launcher, there is a tab in the app drawer of running apps which you can close with ease!
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+1 for V6, im usually at 250mb free ram consistently, while closing NOT A DAMN THING

For that basher out there, I am sorry if I don't spend hours watching porn on my phone for you to really judge battery life but here is the pic:
And I may not be able to code Android but I am familiar in C++ and CPU usage and how much you lose by not having available memory to swap programs with.

omair2005 said:
the v6supercharger fixed these issues for me. also if you use go launcher, there is a tab in the app drawer of running apps which you can close with ease!
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Nice. That was my issue though is that some of these memory/battery killers don't show up in the launcher's task killers. Google + and Maps never show up and get stopped and continue to kill the battery getting data behind the scenes because Google wrote them in that way. It is important to at least check if you have bad battery life what else is running with a good task killer like Memory Booster Lite.

i think the best solution for battery life is autokiller, v6 script and titanium..the stock gingerbread task manager aka (the running services in settings) isn't that great...when i was on eg22, i noticed it displayed the wrong amount of ram left and didn't display every single app running in the background..autokiller is able to see every single app running in the background but never kill the programs with (com.google and android.process)...I only kills apps i use like engadget and pulse..when u exit these with back button, they always stay in the background and use autokiller to make sure it's completely killed...never set any task killer to autokill apps, that will drain your battery faster...and they are some annoying 3rd party apps that always run in the background since they are not coded well (imo)..for example, i froze the script manager with titanium after i implemented the v6 script because it kept restarting itself all the time..i suggest people follow RandomKing's tutorial on how to extend battery life, it helped a lot..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106524...i constantly have 150 to 200 ram free with im not running any apps..im on eco5 aosp rom with eco5 (eg22 and eh06 are not stable enough for me)

To be honest, I think you're overestimating the effect these task killers are having on your phone.
Your graph looks very similar to mine when I'm using it moderately, and I haven't installed any task killers. (And, yes, I've got the same Maps, Google+, etc apps on my phone). The only changes I've made are:
- Turning my screen brightness all the way down.
- Having very few non-push syncs.
Today I'll be using my phone a lot as a camera, but I'll try to remember to leave it off the charger one day this week so that I have a power graph that lasts longer than 18 hours.

available memory?

Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....

bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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Zip aligning the apps should give you more RAM as well. but yeah, hibernating with greenify and freezing apps really cleans the used RAM footprint up and gives you much improved battery.

bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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Don't worry about it, in Android free memory is wasted memory. This is how the sistem works... and it works well.

pedmond said:
Don't worry about it, in Android free memory is wasted memory. This is how the sistem works... and it works well.
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That's true to an extent. However when you have apps sitting in the memory using it all up then other apps will be automatically killed and this will cause redraws and extra time loading the app again. This happened on the 2gb version of the G3 which had a lot of launcher redraws because of all the bloatware. It's still best to get rid of bloatware so it doesn't reside in the RAM and cause apps you actually use to get killed.

bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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My freshly restarted note 4 shows 2.1 used out of available 2.7. There is an extreme amount of bloat and note specific apps running in TW that cannot be easily killed if at all.
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Antutu widget has the memory cleaner. I use only before games like Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, or if I run a benchmark. But debloated android you should leave alone memory unless you need many ram for specific app. Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything.
Note 4 debloated has much memory requirments. Android design handles that and it works good debloated. Android RAM is never should be in your mind as it works on PC.

Sublation said:
Antutu widget has the memory cleaner. I use only before games like Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, or if I run a benchmark. But debloated android you should leave alone memory unless you need many ram for specific app. Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything.
Note 4 debloated has much memory requirments. Android design handles that and it works good debloated. Android RAM is never should be in your mind as it works on PC.
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"Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything" Actually my experience tells me different than what you're saying. When I bought my note 4 my battery was very bad, I could't use it even one day, but now and after I compulutely removed all bul..... apps my phone gives me Two days normal usage or a day of crazy usage.......

bishaarcc said:
"Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything" Actually my experience tells me different than what you're saying. When I bought my note 4 my battery was very bad, I could't use it even one day, but now and after I compulutely removed all bul..... apps my phone gives me Two days normal usage or a day of crazy usage.......
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That is so good. I am receiving 24 hour but with 1x mobile here in Phillipines that is good. Very much demand user I am being. Note 3 I only have 12 hour.
But I am referring to cleaning memory on debloated the device. On bloated device cleaning memory is helpful

Galaxy note 4 memory

Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....

Haven't used a task killer in a long time. I looked out of curiosity and there is a massive laundry list of extra crap going on.

bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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Thanks for the info. Can you please tell us what apps you were able to remove to cause the excellent battery life? In the order starting with the one that uses the most to least if you can. Appreciate any help you can post from your testing. Thanks

pcmanager said:
Thanks for the info. Can you please tell us what apps you were able to remove to cause the excellent battery life? In the order starting with the one that uses the most to least if you can. Appreciate any help you can post from your testing. Thanks
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Well, twospirits made this list of all apps https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...OksNUB7oHFBsI_OoEQHgeGg7_l4/edit#gid=32644709
So what I did is: I categorized my apps in to three categories: 1- Apps that cannot be removed nor disabled, like Bluetooth speaker and etc so kept those as it is.. 2- the second group are necessary apps like Google play, browser sms,dialer and etc.. so I moved those apps to EX Sdcard, the only exception is youtube which gives me FC, so it has to be in the system..
3- the 3rd category is the rest of the apps which I removed from my phone, like S Health knock and other hundreds...
Now I have almost 2gb availabe memory on my phone which I think it's very good, and that's the reason I'm getting one day of very high usage or two days of normal usage....
Please check my screen shosts, almost two days with 5 hours of Screen On time or 7+ hours in one day....

Thanks for the info. I will work on removing apps that I don't use from the list and see what improvement I can get.

Just wanted to explain a few things.
1) moving apps to external SD Card will not free up RAM. It frees up internal memory (/sdcard or /data) but should not affect RAM.
2) unused RAM is wasted RAM. In this case you are saving battery because some of the apps you deleted were using CPU cycles or keeping wake locks for some reason. The amount of energy used to keep an app in RAM may get you a few extra hours of battery life at most. Your biggest 3 battery killers are Screen, Modem, CPU. In that order.
So good job getting better battery life, and I'm going to be using that list to delete some crapware. But your conclusions in why you saved battery life are a bit off.

Ok this is what everyone in this thread should do before they comment on memory usage,
1. N910C or N910F (Snapdragon or Exynos?)
2. Debloat or not, all apps active (stock)?
3. Debloat with root?
4. How much time without reboot, test of memory usage with or without reboot?
5. Screenshots of disabled apps section of your storage
Me,
1. N910C
2. Debloat, disabled quite a bit services/apps
3. No root
4. Fresh reboot, just now, test of memory usage = 1.52Gb only Wi Fi File Explorer in background.
5. Turned off apps,
Please, i know every device is different but try to follow my little Q & A, in order to get a general idea how much memory does you device use.

dazed1 said:
Ok this is what everyone in this thread should do before they comment on memory usage,
1. N910C or N910F (Snapdragon or Exynos?)
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Youre in a N910P thread, bud.

xxSTARBUCKSxx said:
Youre in a N910P thread, bud.
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Well still counts i guess lol

dazed1 said:
Well still counts i guess lol
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Fair enough, its just that people who search by device+problem get brought to threads that detect whats been typed and they get brought to the wrong place looking for help where they cant be helped. . Turn that frown upside down!

xxSTARBUCKSxx said:
Fair enough, its just that people who search by device+problem get brought to threads that detect whats been typed and they get brought to the wrong place looking for help where they cant be helped. . Turn that frown upside down!
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Can you do a test for me bro? just reboot the phone, and tell me how much ram is used, and what apps are running? (turn off anything you can) thanks.

dazed1 said:
Can you do a test for me bro? just reboot the phone, and tell me how much ram is used, and what apps are running? (turn off anything you can) thanks.
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Hotboot plus screenies. Forgot about Turned Offs.

Not much in the Turned Offs. A lot was deleted of either .bak'd

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Hotboot plus screenies. Forgot about Turned Offs.
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What? 1.1GB? rooted phone with total debloat?

dazed1 said:
What? 1.1GB? rooted phone with total debloat?
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Pretty much. But coming from the SGSIII. Ive actually kept a lot of Samsung bloat that id usually delete. Mostly because of its features. Ive spared SprintZone even. Just a nice smooth phone overall.

_Dennis_ said:
Just wanted to explain a few things.
1) moving apps to external SD Card will not free up RAM. It frees up internal memory (/sdcard or /data) but should not affect RAM.
2) unused RAM is wasted RAM. In this case you are saving battery because some of the apps you deleted were using CPU cycles or keeping wake locks for some reason. The amount of energy used to keep an app in RAM may get you a few extra hours of battery life at most. Your biggest 3 battery killers are Screen, Modem, CPU. In that order.
So good job getting better battery life, and I'm going to be using that list to delete some crapware. But your conclusions in why you saved battery life are a bit off.
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Sir, First of all I'm not a dev, and probably you know more than me about these things but let me ask you this:
Even though I've already deleted unnecessary apps from my phone, but still I was using 70-80% of my phone's memory all the time, and my battery life was one day or less than that .....
I decided to move all my apps to ex-Sdcard which made me using only 30-50%, of my phone's memory and the battery life from one day to two days!
So since you said moving apps to EX-sdcard won't make difference, could you explain to me this situation?
Please go ahead and check my screenshot, I'm watching MKBHD'S full hd video and I'm only using 37% of my phone's memory.
Thanks again.

bishaarcc said:
Sir, First of all I'm not a dev, and probably you know more than me about these things but let me ask you this:
Even though I've already deleted unnecessary apps from my phone, but still I was using 70-80% of my phone's memory all the time, and my battery life was one day or less than that .....
I decided to move all my apps to ex-Sdcard which made me using only 30-50%, of my phone's memory and the battery life from one day to two days!
So since you said moving apps to EX-sdcard won't make difference, could you explain to me this situation?
Please go ahead and check my screenshot, I'm watching MKBHD'S full hd video and I'm only using 37% of my phone's memory.
Thanks again.
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Were you perhaps plugged into a computer? You lose the ability to use SD Card apps when plugged in.
I'm definitely not a dev, I just know electronics and a bit of basic computing theory.
Using less RAM shouldn't save that much battery. What may have happened is one (or more) of the apps were auto-starting and using CPU cycles to do something not important to you. I'm not sure if SD Card apps can auto start or restart.
Like I said the information you provided is good, just the comclusion of less RAM means better battery is off. Well programed apps should sit in RAM for quick access but not waste CPU cyles on things.

_Dennis_ said:
Were you perhaps plugged into a computer? You lose the ability to use SD Card apps when plugged in.
I'm definitely not a dev, I just know electronics and a bit of basic computing theory.
Using less RAM shouldn't save that much battery. What may have happened is one (or more) of the apps were auto-starting and using CPU cycles to do something not important to you. I'm not sure if SD Card apps can auto start or restart.
Like I said the information you provided is good, just the comclusion of less RAM means better battery is off. Well programed apps should sit in RAM for quick access but not waste CPU cyles on things.
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You right, I think maybe EXsdcard apps won't auto start and that's what saves my battery. When I check my running apps I cannot see any user apps in there, no facebook, what's up, Browser or any other user apps, so maybe that's is the case.... The only down side of my situation is that I have to manually open Facebook to see latest notifications which honestly I don't mind it because I don't need facebook and twitter running 24/7?

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Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play.
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You should NOT be using task killers on Android! Advanced Task Killer, or any task killer, will shorten your battery life instead of extending it. Android actually knows how to handle itself quite well, and will keep certain things around for a reason. Google created Android and just might know Android a little bit better than those 3rd party app developers.
Also, I see in your other posts you keep calling a micro-sd card an ExSdCard. If you think about it, "Ex"SdCard would actually mean "Previous"SdCard. It's called ExtSdCard, meaning Extended SD card. And FYI, there is no Android Market anymore, it was replaced by Play Store years ago.

RAM usage high on low use

Just got a new s6 edge+ and absolutely blown away with the phone as a whole.
Only problem/issue is the RAM usage. I'm a light user for 90% of the day and i have barely any apps installed, yet the RAM is always above 50% even when all apps are closed and i 'clean' the RAM. Average RAM usage is 75%. 3GB?!?
Is this normal to all other users? My thought are that it could be a false reading. Or that it could be dummy using RAM and reassigns it to wherever needs it when any high usage apps run.
I am a UK user and the only update applied was a carrier pushed update. (E.g. i havent done any updates myself or messed around with the phone).
Attached is a screenshot of my kernal and baseband versions for anyone interest.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks, Zack.

I see the same on my SM-G9827 phone.It opens around 30 apps in background.If you clean them regularly it kills the battery.Its better to leave them like that.I am getting 6 hours SOT with 3 % left if i leave them as it it.

Ram is ment to be used. To make apps open fast when you need them. A lot of free ram does not make your phone faster AFAIK. So keep those apps running and enjoy a fast phone!
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Ram is ment to be used. To make apps open fast when you need them. A lot of free ram does not make your phone faster AFAIK. So keep those apps running and enjoy a fast phone!
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I agree.
RAM is meant to be used, you've got 4GB of it. The OS has been optimised to kill any processes that haven't been used if memory is filling up. Forget about saving RAM and focus on enjoying the device.