Wondering if anyone is experiencing artifacting while overclocking. I'm getting great quadrant scores, and all else is smooth. I've only been running this configuration for a few hours, so I haven't checked out any games yet for the artifacting. I'm not concerned about the FCing (twice so far) because I can just turn down the clock in SETCpu, but the artifacting makes me nervous about doing permanent damage to the video card.
Is my concern valid, or should I relax?
In the Xoom channel, we actually ran alot of test using dolphin and HULU. Alot of people can not get a video to play at 1.6 for a long period of time. Either the browser crashes or the xoom itself crashes. You may want to back down to 1.4 for now.
Psychokitty said:
Wondering if anyone is experiencing artifacting while overclocking. I'm getting great quadrant scores, and all else is smooth. I've only been running this configuration for a few hours, so I haven't checked out any games yet for the artifacting. I'm not concerned about the FCing (twice so far) because I can just turn down the clock in SETCpu, but the artifacting makes me nervous about doing permanent damage to the video card.
Is my concern valid, or should I relax?
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Relax. No problem. as long as you did not smell any smoke from your xoom or feel it getting extremely hot.
High temperature is the main reason causing hardware permanent damage.
You wont do any permanent damage to your Xoom since pretty much all modern CPUs have built in protection for such scenarios on the hardware or firmware level. The worst that can happen is the Xoom shutting down.
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Lol!...."smoke".
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You wont do any permanent damage to your Xoom since pretty much all modern CPUs have built in protection for such scenarios on the hardware or firmware level.
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I know it's nearly impossible to kill a CPU because of this reason (besides maybe severely overvolting it by about a misplaced decimal point...), but I didn't know if gpus also had these same built-in failsafes. I figured since the development of mobile hard core gaming machines that they certainly should by now, but last time I paid any attention to the technology was when I was upgrading laptops with the "new" Dothans, and they had cutting edge ATI M9800s in them!
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I have standard xoom us wifi 3.1 and i also have sometimes artifacts. that is a feature!
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I am beginning to suspect that there may be a simple reason 'some' N7's are having crash issues with custom kernels/ROMs. I have a small temperature & CPO widget, and also use Sense Analog Clock w/system data, and I have been paying attention to - temperature. FULL DISCLOSURE: I use a case that is very solid and enclosing, as I travel a lot and want my N7 protected well, and that may be keeping some additional heat in via insulation.
In any event, I notice that the N7 starts out at about 79.5F, but with even moderate use, is over 85F. I use mine mostly for reading news and books, I don't play games on it, and only review the occasional youtube news video. Could the 'culprit' be simply overheating?
It would be interesting to have some small app that would record CPU, GPU & memory use, temperature, and 'crash' information - we might be able to get to the 'bottom' of the sporadic freezes/crashes that some are experiencing.
Will cross post this in a couple of places. jf
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I am beginning to suspect that there may be a simple reason 'some' N7's are having crash issues with custom kernels/ROMs. I have a small temperature & CPO widget, and also use Sense Analog Clock w/system data, and I have been paying attention to - temperature. FULL DISCLOSURE: I use a case that is very solid and enclosing, as I travel a lot and want my N7 protected well, and that may be keeping some additional heat in via insulation.
In any event, I notice that the N7 starts out at about 79.5F, but with even moderate use, is over 85F. I use mine mostly for reading news and books, I don't play games on it, and only review the occasional youtube news video. Could the 'culprit' be simply overheating?
It would be interesting to have some small app that would record CPU, GPU & memory use, temperature, and 'crash' information - we might be able to get to the 'bottom' of the sporadic freezes/crashes that some are experiencing.
Will cross post this in a couple of places. jf
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Desktop CPUs generally will run up to 85C, which is 185F. I suspect mobile CPUs are not specced nearly that high, but you have nothing to worry about there.
Are there variations, issues, solder problems? Sure, any of that could happen, and be exposed under various thermal stresses. But 85f is nothing to be concerned about.
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Desktop CPUs generally will run up to 85C, which is 185F. I suspect mobile CPUs are not specced nearly that high, but you have nothing to worry about there.
Are there variations, issues, solder problems? Sure, any of that could happen, and be exposed under various thermal stresses. But 85f is nothing to be concerned about.
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Agreed... but I'm getting that on light usage - I wonder what the game players are getting.. and if heat is causing a lot of the problems being reported on the N7 on XDA...
I'm asking about how this phone scores with graphic intensive games and whether it gets hot(after a certain duration) while playing such games. Is thermal throttling really an issue or is it a faulty unit thing? Supposedly getting mine today, so I need to know.
I've been playing zombie gunship and dots all day...both absolutely destroy my battery life but it dies not get that warm, at least no throttling. Maybe more demanding games will hurt....really missing my n4 and Franco kernels per app CPU speed
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I've just bought it and used it for a little while downloading stuff and it got a little warm.. hmm
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I've just bought it and used it for a little while downloading stuff and it got a little warm.. hmm
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The first day and a half after getting this device out of the box it got kinda warm in the back, not on the screen though. After that period of time though i havent had a problem with heat so maybe it has something to do with being a new device out of the box? Now it stays cool and just gets a little warm here and there, not much though, but it seems normal.
Please, someone, point out a device that is quad core even running max speeds of just 1.5ghz and does not get hot after 20+min of graphics intense gaming with no breaks. Anyone? That's what i thought, people should try to understand this before complaining. This device is i believe 2.4ghz in speed with quad core snap dragon 800. My HTC One X+ with Tegra 3 chip "made for gaming" only allows me to play a graphics intense game like dead trigger for 20min then the device shuts down! Yes it shuts down because the device gets too hot for itself, blinks red notification light, then a minute or so later shuts itself off so it doesn't blow up.
Mobile gaming has come a long way for sure. Mobile gaming hardware wise has not, obviously! Sure this device could probably play Diablo 3 with 50 FPS but for maybe only 20min before it gets red hot! I think cellphone compaines should address this and make the devices available to "breath" just like a PC machine would. Sure we can't have a "fan" in these devices to cool them off but when you're running a quad core device on 2.4ghz of speed that's practically a damn laptop! Now imagine that laptop running full bore with zero fan to cool it down and zero ventilation. How long could u run that laptop under those conditions before it gets way too hot???
Gaming is AMAZING on this screen is good , the gpu has power to drive whatever.
MC4 actually runs buttery smooth , something my s3 couldnt do.
Riptide GP2 plays beautifully with the graphics all set to high. The water effects look sick
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Hello friends,
I did a quick test video created about overheating
In this video are runs two benchmark test (first antutu and later Geekbench3)
in the attachment is a screenshot of the temperature profile, I had a maximum of 80 degrees in this test.
is this now too hot for a smartphone ? What is your opinion on it?
Surface temp didn't exceed 43C? That's pretty good. As far as the internal SoC temp goes, 70-80C can happen on any phone. Here's a 4K test on S6. It hit >70C after 5 minutes of 4K shooting.
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Surface temp didn't exceed 43C?
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in my 5min test goes the temp not over 44C, I can test the week continue ,to increase temp
The fact people on here states it gets noticeably warm doing basic tasks eg web browsing its alarming for me mostly.
I guess the 820 on 14nm will help, from what I've seen the S6 can remain relatively cool after running benchmarks.
Based on my experience:
- doesn't get warm / hot when doing browsing, facebook, other lightweight apps.
- easy to get warm (but NOT hot) when using camera, playing intensive games (e.g. Hearthstone, Asphalt) and viewing media
- only gets HOT when recording 4K video for a long time (but other people are exaggerating .. it doesn't get too hot for me to hold, experienced practically the same for my Z1)
All in all, isn't really a huge deal breaker for me. Some people just take it way out of context because of the SnapDragon 810 issues from before.
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Based on my experience:
- doesn't get warm / hot when doing browsing, facebook, other lightweight apps.
- easy to get warm (but NOT hot) when using camera, playing intensive games (e.g. Hearthstone, Asphalt) and viewing media
- only gets HOT when recording 4K video for a long time (but other people are exaggerating .. it doesn't get too hot for me to hold, experienced practically the same for my Z1)
All in all, isn't really a huge deal breaker for me. Some people just take it way out of context because of the SnapDragon 810 issues from before.
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My experience is, is hot when doing browsing , at 4k recording (5min) it is normally warm.
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I can this week to create a new video in which I reproduce this: 4K recording, playing games and browsing.
if you have something which make temperature trouble, please let me know
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The fact people on here states it gets noticeably warm doing basic tasks eg web browsing its alarming for me mostly.
I guess the 820 on 14nm will help, from what I've seen the S6 can remain relatively cool after running benchmarks.
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It doesn't get warm during web browsing. Where did you get that bit of random fud?
Dunno how much 3DMark stresses the phone but mine only got mildly hot after running a few suites, and that was just after running another Unigine based bench.
I've read a lot of mixed info about it, including severe overheating, massive battery drain, limited functionality, etc. But those reviews were all old and for the Pixel/XL.
Has anyone here tried it out with the Axon 7 that can give their opinion on it? I've been considering it, now that Nougat is finally available, but at $113 CAD (yay taxes) that's a steep price for what appears to be a piece of cloth with bluetooth mini remote. As far as I know all the sensors and processing hardware are in the phone itself, unlike Samsung's VR headsets.
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I've read a lot of mixed info about it, including severe overheating, massive battery drain, limited functionality, etc. But those reviews were all old and for the Pixel/XL.
Has anyone here tried it out with the Axon 7 that can give their opinion on it? I've been considering it, now that Nougat is finally available, but at $113 CAD (yay taxes) that's a steep price for what appears to be a piece of cloth with bluetooth mini remote. As far as I know all the sensors and processing hardware are in the phone itself, unlike Samsung's VR headsets.
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I have a daydream view and have been playing with it for a few weeks now. At first, it was underwhelming. A lot of the apps available are really gimicky. But, after taking the time to find apps that would suit me, I have really enjoyed it. I got the headset for 49 dollars when they went on sale recently, and I still feel like that price is a stretch. You are right, it really is just a couple of pieces of glass, cloth, and a bluetooth remote. There is a workaround, where you can use another phone as the remote and just use google cardboard for the viewing device. I did that at first, but it was difficult to use the phone as a controller, since you don't have the tactile feel of the buttons. As far as the phone goes, it gets pretty warm, Once, I made it to 53 degrees celsius. But, it didn't shut the phone down and that was a one-time thing. It hasn't been super warm since. I don't know if that helps.
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I have a daydream view and have been playing with it for a few weeks now. At first, it was underwhelming. A lot of the apps available are really gimicky. But, after taking the time to find apps that would suit me, I have really enjoyed it. I got the headset for 49 dollars when they went on sale recently, and I still feel like that price is a stretch. You are right, it really is just a couple of pieces of glass, cloth, and a bluetooth remote. There is a workaround, where you can use another phone as the remote and just use google cardboard for the viewing device. I did that at first, but it was difficult to use the phone as a controller, since you don't have the tactile feel of the buttons. As far as the phone goes, it gets pretty warm, Once, I made it to 53 degrees celsius. But, it didn't shut the phone down and that was a one-time thing. It hasn't been super warm since. I don't know if that helps.
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It does help, thanks. But I'm wondering, how long were you typical sessions, and what were you running?
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It does help, thanks. But I'm wondering, how long were you typical sessions, and what were you running?
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I usually use it for 45 minutes to an hour. I really have just been playing around with all sorts of apps. Most of those sessions were in the Netflix VR app and in a game called Archer E. Bowman. I have also used it for non-daydream apps like litchi for flying my phantom drone. Interestingly enough, the time that the phone got really hot, I had it plugged in and was using a non-daydream app (roller coaster VR).
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I usually use it for 45 minutes to an hour. I really have just been playing around with all sorts of apps. Most of those sessions were in the Netflix VR app and in a game called Archer E. Bowman. I have also used it for non-daydream apps like litchi for flying my phantom drone. Interestingly enough, the time that the phone got really hot, I had it plugged in and was using a non-daydream app (roller coaster VR).
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Well it's not surprising at all that your phone was overheating considering you had it plugged in while using an app, nearly any phone would become really hot if you do that. These fast charging methods all (aside from Oppo/OnePlus's Dash Charging) do the voltage conversion in the phone, it's mind boggling how stupid that is, and yet that's how they work. Another thing that's infuriating to even think about is the internal design if you know what it is. I've seen an A7 taken apart and... it uses the BATTERY as a heatsink, yes the battery, the thing that degrades and loses maximum charge due to heat. The heat pipe is set up in a way to basically pass the SoC's heat directly to the battery.
So overall I guess what you're saying is good news, 45-60 mins typical usage and only overheating while having it plugged in is far better than all the reports I've seen about the Pixel/XL while using VR. Thanks once again.
I watched a two hour movie in two sessions, one with the phone plugged into a battery pack. It got warm, but nothing out of the ordinary. I would suggest the Full-size VR app for web browsing and viewing movies on the SD card.
The headset is definitely worth the money but the phone's power button is placed in the worst position possible - something that's true just for holding in the right hand as well!
got ours yesterday. Pretty interesting. very much in its infancy tho but you can see the potential. I agree about power button placement is a slight issue.
phone does get very warm. phone gave a warning once. I removed the case and that seemed to help. NOt really a big deal
I got the headset a couple of days ago because of the Nougat update, I've used it for playing games like need for speed VR and watching videos with YouTube VR and Skybox, also hooked it up to my PC to stream VR Games with trinus VR and such.
As someone who only had the original cardboard and then a cheap plastic headset, I'm in love with daydream, it doesn't compare at all to any full size VR like the Oculus or PlayStation VR but the quality is pretty good for a $50 device, I think it's worth it at this price.
On the performance side I was also worried because I've read the reviews and issues with the pixels but I have to say I'm amazed with the axon, it does get hot after a while but never had performance decrease, just a notification about the battery being hot, 53c (127f) was the highest I've had and that was after more than an hour of continuous VR usage. I was surprised that the phone cools down very quickly after exiting VR, ZTE has some great thermal management in this CPU, battery lasts long enough for my sessions of VR I've been getting like %25 drain for almost an hour in VR, so enough to watch a movie if at half battery most likely, but with QC 3.0 this is a none issue for me. People forget your phone is blasting away at full brightness, rendering 3D scenes with 3D positional audio while tracking every sensor and keeping an active low latency Bluetooth connection, NFC, a Cellphone connection and an Internet connection . I think it's pretty amazing.
Well there's only a single company selling the thing on Amazon which I never heard of but I said screw it and ordered it because there was only 1 white one left and it's my last day of Amazon Prime. Hopefully it doesn't stain too easily... and Xposed arrives soon because I'm not upgrading to Nougat until it does.
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I watched a two hour movie in two sessions, one with the phone plugged into a battery pack. It got warm, but nothing out of the ordinary. I would suggest the Full-size VR app for web browsing and viewing movies on the SD card.
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Sorry I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say Full-size VR app, as I said I'm waiting on Xposed before upgrading to Nougat so I can't install Daydream apps yet.
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The headset is definitely worth the money but the phone's power button is placed in the worst position possible - something that's true just for holding in the right hand as well!
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got ours yesterday. Pretty interesting. very much in its infancy tho but you can see the potential. I agree about power button placement is a slight issue.
phone does get very warm. phone gave a warning once. I removed the case and that seemed to help. NOt really a big deal
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Can't it just be placed in upside down so the strap doesn't press the power button?
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I got the headset a couple of days ago because of the Nougat update, I've used it for playing games like need for speed VR and watching videos with YouTube VR and Skybox, also hooked it up to my PC to stream VR Games with trinus VR and such.
As someone who only had the original cardboard and then a cheap plastic headset, I'm in love with daydream, it doesn't compare at all to any full size VR like the Oculus or PlayStation VR but the quality is pretty good for a $50 device, I think it's worth it at this price.
On the performance side I was also worried because I've read the reviews and issues with the pixels but I have to say I'm amazed with the axon, it does get hot after a while but never had performance decrease, just a notification about the battery being hot, 53c (127f) was the highest I've had and that was after more than an hour of continuous VR usage. I was surprised that the phone cools down very quickly after exiting VR, ZTE has some great thermal management in this CPU, battery lasts long enough for my sessions of VR I've been getting like %25 drain for almost an hour in VR, so enough to watch a movie if at half battery most likely, but with QC 3.0 this is a none issue for me. People forget your phone is blasting away at full brightness, rendering 3D scenes with 3D positional audio while tracking every sensor and keeping an active low latency Bluetooth connection, NFC, a Cellphone connection and an Internet connection . I think it's pretty amazing.
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Thanks for the detailed info. 53C should be perfectly fine, funny that's exactly what the first person reported as well. It's really high for a mobile device, but it shouldn't be dangerous... at least I hope the battery isn't that sensitive, because as I said they use the battery as a heatsink.
Sorry, autocorrect. Fulldive app. I even changed that twice.
Well I received mine today and there's still no sign of Nougat Xposed so I just used it without Daydream and I have to say:
Cons:
- The lenses are tiny and not adjustable, I was really hoping for better lenses since that's basically the entire cost of this thing.
- It's not exactly the most comfortable thing in the world, the strap sucks, it really needed to a top strap.
- It's designed for some sort of giant Neanderthal nose, it has so much room it could fit 2 of my noses in it.
- Putting the phone in upside doesn't always work since it can hit the volume button that way instead of power button, that and not all apps flip upside down.
- The "Snow White"/light gray looks nothing like the pictures, it's straight up grey.
Neutral:
- No app works perfectly well for it that I've seen yet, I might be forced to wait for Nougat/Daydream apps (I tried installing the apk, won't install on 6.0.1).
- The remote does nothing on 6.0.1 aside from connect.
Pros:
- The lenses are clear enough especially compared to the garbage plastic lenses others use, and it works for my eyes despite not being adjustable.
- Despite the sucky strap the fact that it's lighter than plastic models makes up a lot in the comfort department. That tiny difference in weight makes the device usable with that subpar strap.
Tl;DR - For a $100 device I expected a lot better quality, but this might be the best that can be had for the Axon 7, I guess I'm stuck waiting on Nougat Xposed until I find out just how good this thing is.
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Sorry, autocorrect. Fulldive app. I even changed that twice.
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Fulldive is awkward and doesn't work for me. When you hold one position to select something, it doesn't work for whatever reason when I have the phone inserted in the DD View, it just does the loop/circle then nothing happens. If I have the phone out of headset then it works. Either way it doesn't seem like an easy to use app.
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Tl;DR - For a $100 device I expected a lot better quality, but this might be the best that can be had for the Axon 7, I guess I'm stuck waiting on Nougat Xposed until I find out just how good this thing is.
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I'm sorry that you've had a poor experience. I paid $50 for mine and find it comfortable, easy to wear for long periods of time, and the Daydream app performs very well. Fulldive is awkward, but once I learned how to properly use it, it made a world of difference.
Hi, I'm really happy there is a discussion to the Daydream headset. I'm also sceptical on the quality (sure is better than cardboard...), but another thing is that besides the controller, I don't understand what's the hype about it? Seems pretty average, no top strap..
I'm also looking to get some VR for the Axon, however the ones that I've seen are really not optimal - all of them press either volume or in most cases the power button. I guess that the ZTE VR won't really be produced now with the Daydream support (or available to get in another way), so are there any feasible alternatives?
Hi. Does anybody have these problems with Daydream? Initial tiles doesn't load properly and install button on VR Play Store doesn't appear...
Please everyone interested in daydream on LOS vote for this bug https://jira.lineageos.org/projects/BUGBASH/issues/BUGBASH-284?filter=allopenissues
I have one, it's alright. No deal breakers, but it's not great either.
In terms of software, The apps are just not there yet. There are a ton of video portals, unfinished game demos, and apps that we already knew from Cardboard, and honestly not much else. I hear Samsung Gear VR has a much richer set of apps, so Daydream really needs to catch up. Add to that the Lineage OS issues (mentioned above), which exclude Daydream from working properly with LOS-based ROMs., and the software situation is not great. I think we need to give it some time.
In terms of hardware, it works but is quirky. Lack of a top strap is not great, leads to most people over-tightening the rear strap. The optics are okay, not great, with a 90 degree field of view - Better than most Cardboard clones, but well below dedicated headsets, or even Samsung Gear VR. Light can leak in from the back, but you can stuff a tissue or something between the side and the face pad to compensate. It's light and fairly comfortable, though, and gets the job done.
The remote works well, and the idea of putting a trackpad in your hand that can sense both taps and clicks, plus a pointer, gives you a lot to work with. It drifts, though, which means you'll be using that recenter function a lot.
Overall, while it may sound like I really don't like it, VR is really cool, and Daydream, for $50 (on sale), is a great way to jump into it. Just bear in mind that it feels like a promising beta more than a finished product.
To answer some of the questions and concerns in this thread:
The power button on the Axon 7 isn't really an issue. No, you usually can't put the phone in upside-down - Some apps will tell you to flip it when you try, others will have glitches like InMind 2 having upside down subtitles. Instead, just pull the latching band to the left a bit as you secure the phone, and it will clear the power button no problem. I believe the latest stock firmware disregards power button long-press when in Daydream mode, too, so there's that too.
Overheating is somewhat of an issue. If you use Daydream for gaming for an hour straight, yeah the phone gets hot - 63C or so is the highest I've seen, and I use the included case which may trap in more heat too. It hasn't been a problem affecting performance, and while the battery does drain fast, it's not really draining faster than you would with a more traditional game.
I'm actually surprised at how little battery is used considering the heat it puts out.
I like it. I think it works smooth. Mostly good for watching movies or shows. Not a lot of games available.
Note: It exacerbates the Do Not Disturb issue. It, just like the schedule, can turn it on but can't turn it off. Disable the access to prevent the issue.
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I usually use it for 45 minutes to an hour. I really have just been playing around with all sorts of apps. Most of those sessions were in the Netflix VR app and in a game called Archer E. Bowman. I have also used it for non-daydream apps like litchi for flying my phantom drone. Interestingly enough, the time that the phone got really hot, I had it plugged in and was using a non-daydream app (roller coaster VR).
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Hi, were you able to fly your DJI drone in VR with the google daydream? I have looked everywhere on the web for answers but couldn't find anything!