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Hey guys,
Just recently sold my Samsung Note 2, Samsung Galaxy S3.
I was actually saving some cash for the S4 but there is one thing I am wondering..
I heard something about the Netherlands (which where I'm located) as well as some other (European) countries will probably not get the worldwide version but the US/4G version with the Quallcom Snapdragon S600 instead of the octa-core.. (might be because 4G is taking of in Europe now.. not sure)
This leaves me wondering.. If the press statements are true and we will only have the Snapdragon 600 version, can we expect much Dev support for it?
For example.. I really loved roms like Omega and AOKP,AOSP on my S3 I9300..
As an IT guy myself I figured it must be easier for Devs to work with the snapdragon S600 in terms of programming and documentation but looking at the Samsung Galaxy S3 forums the Dev activity for the US version seems very low compared to the international one..
Long question short.. since Samsung will probably sell the Snapdragon 600 in various parts of the world, is it realistic to think we will have great support for both devices?
What do you guys think? please elaborate and keep it nice just want to share opinions and learn.
Both will probably have great support.
Go for it.
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Skander1998 said:
Both will probably have great support.
Go for it.
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Could you please share with me why you think that it might be different this time compared to the previous situation with the different S3 versions?
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Both will probably have great support.
Go for it.
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Certainly not.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the S600 version will have better developer support because of Samsung's stinginess with releasing the binaries for the Exynos CPUs.
So you'd probably be better going off going with the 4G version if you want dev support.
razzmataz1478 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the S600 version will have better developer support because of Samsung's stinginess with releasing the binaries for the Exynos CPUs.
So you'd probably be better going off going with the 4G version if you want dev support.
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Thinking the same thing. As far as I know, most of the issues with the I9300 development stem from Samsung's lack of documentation and complete source-code for the Exynos chip. Hopefully the 4G version of the S4 (with the S600) will have better documentation. Would appreciate someone smarter than me elaborating on this, since the development side is a very important factor for me when buying a phone
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Thinking the same thing. As far as I know, most of the issues with the I9300 development stem from Samsung's lack of documentation and complete source-code for the Exynos chip. Hopefully the 4G version of the S4 (with the S600) will have better documentation. Would appreciate someone smarter than me elaborating on this, since the development side is a very important factor for me when buying a phone
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Exactly, developer support is important to most of us here on XDA.
From a technical point of view I wouldn't mind getting S4 snapdragon 600 with LTE/4G but I want decent dev support.
So what do you guys think? I would like to hear different point of views from everyone.
I agree on the fact the S600 is wider used and documentation is more available so this should theoretically mean that the S600 could receive decent support..
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benno4403 said:
Exactly, developer support is important to most of us here on XDA.
From a technical point of view I wouldn't mind getting S4 snapdragon 600 with LTE/4G but I want decent dev support.
So what do you guys think? I would like to hear different point of views from everyone.
I agree on the fact the S600 is wider used and documentation is more available so this should theoretically mean that the S600 could receive decent support..
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Well at the minute all d2s have official CM10.1 but the Exynos i9300 doesn't. That probably sums up the situation.
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Well at the minute all d2s have official CM10.1 but the Exynos i9300 doesn't. That probably sums up the situation.
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Hmm, I see..
For anyone wondering which version you will get in your location, I asked Samsung HK and Samsung USA if they could give us some more info on this. Also tried UK and Netherlands but they don't know anything at Samsung there.
I'll be called by someone from the HK/US office. Hopefully they can shine a light on this.
Seems like I will be sticking with the S600 version if that's the only version we will get in some european countries (NL/DE) and US. Let's hope the developer support will be decent.
If anyone knows some more info on which models are going to come out where, please comment here:fingers-crossed:
Samsung Norway says (on Facebook) that Scandinavia will get the S600, because of 4G Personally I'm thrilled by this, considering the poor source code and documentation for Exynos.
I also like the S600 version as long as we get proper support for it.
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Hi guys,
I'm afraid people will consider this a re-hash of existing threads however I haven't seen one specific to the UK and have a few questions to ask.
I currently have an i9305 but when I previously owned an i9300 I noticed that development was done more Europe than America due to your differences in handsets due to carriers.
Are there going to be differences between the i9500 and the i9505 in terms of dev support towards the UK?
As in, the i9505 will most probably have more developer support as Snapdragon source code is available (?) and so an actual stable ROM could be released, and also LTE is very popular now.
But would the developers in the U.S create ROMS that would work on the UK varient?
The reason I ask is because I love the SG3 but have grown disgusted by TouchWiz now and I don't care for the gimmicky TW features in the S4, I just like the horsepower it's packing bundled with that display and battery. CM10.1 on my SG3 has alleviated my disgust for TW which was held at bay through Nova launcher but inevitably got more and more irritating.
I was thinking to wait for the new Nexus, but that could be a while and could be underwhelming, and since they tend to be a lot cheaper I figure if it does come out and is amazing then I could probably sell the SG4 and have money left over after buying the new Nexus.
Also, on a side-note, is anyone in the UK planning on importing an Exynos varient? To me the lack of dev support and LTE for -slightly- better noticeable performance and potentially slightly better battery life isn't enough to justify it.
Cheers
There is a thread for UK
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191766
Official Ireland/UK Galaxy S4 Thread
But to answer your query. The UK is getting the same i9505 as the US. This time most of western Europe is not getting the Exynos (i9500). Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be getting it this time. Which is annoying as I want the Exynos version personally.
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skibadee said:
There is a thread for UK
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191766
Official Ireland/UK Galaxy S4 Thread
But to answer your query. The UK is getting the same i9505 as the US. This time most of western Europe is not getting the Exynos (i9500). Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be getting it this time. Which is annoying as I want the Exynos version personally.
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Ok that's cool, to be honest I am happy enough with my S3 I could wait for an Exynos LTE release since I am buying SIM-free anyway, but again for me developer support is really important so I think I'm better off with the Snapdragon varient, and let's be honest, the specs are still amazing.
Let's be honest here. What could you possibly be doing on your phone that would require 8 cores? Even four is probably over kill haha. My computer is 4 cores and it compiles ROMs just fine. What could I possibly need with an 8 core device? I feel like sometimes people get too wrapped up with having MOAR CORES without really thinking about why they could possible have a use for 8 cores on a cell phone.
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Fu5ion said:
Let's be honest here. What could you possibly be doing on your phone that would require 8 cores? Even four is probably over kill haha. My computer is 4 cores and it compiles ROMs just fine. What could I possibly need with an 8 core device? I feel like sometimes people get too wrapped up with having MOAR CORES without really thinking about why they could possible have a use for 8 cores on a cell phone.
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Why you buy 4 cores when you haw 8 cores??
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Fu5ion said:
Let's be honest here. What could you possibly be doing on your phone that would require 8 cores? Even four is probably over kill haha. My computer is 4 cores and it compiles ROMs just fine. What could I possibly need with an 8 core device? I feel like sometimes people get too wrapped up with having MOAR CORES without really thinking about why they could possible have a use for 8 cores on a cell phone.
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duh, audio chip beats the bottom of 4 core
First 70% release of S4 will be Snapdragon version,so all Europe will have Snapdragon and the devs will support it more for this and because of the open source.Also every developer who work with Exynos sick of it and i don't think he will prefer it again easly.So if you need suport go with the Snapdragon version,and yes the specs is still amazing!
Been reading a lot about their differences and still can't get a clue as which one to buy. Its been more than a month since S4 is released and generally speaking, I am looking to buy S4 not specifically to use 4G, but for general use, mostly apps, a few games (not a hardcore mobile gamer) and also interesting mods.
The other day I came across a game for android specially mentioning it will work only in Adreno GPU. This quite surprised and confused me as to if in future, apps and games will be customised based on CPU/GPU?
Provided the issues that have been reported, mainly the overheating and battery drain, is it wise to wait for a month or two so that Samsung release a second production batch of S4 with these issues fixed? Or there won't any hardware fixes for S4 anymore?
So which model has a better future? (leaving the 4G part).
Hope I get a reply as I am sure the highly knowledgeable and vast users of this forum can help ease my confusion.
GreenXSI said:
Been reading a lot about their differences and still can't get a clue as which one to buy. Its been more than a month since S4 is released and generally speaking, I am looking to buy S4 not specifically to use 4G, but for general use, mostly apps, a few games (not a hardcore mobile gamer) and also interesting mods.
The other day I came across a game for android specially mentioning it will work only in Adreno GPU. This quite surprised and confused me as to if in future, apps and games will be customised based on CPU/GPU?
Provided the issues that have been reported, mainly the overheating and battery drain, is it wise to wait for a month or two so that Samsung release a second production batch of S4 with these issues fixed? Or there won't any hardware fixes for S4 anymore?
So which model has a better future? (leaving the 4G part).
Hope I get a reply as I am sure the highly knowledgeable and vast users of this forum can help ease my confusion.
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there are 2 more versions of the S4 coming soon i think
the google edition and the snapdragon 800, maybe you could wait for those
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negrobembon said:
there are 2 more versions of the S4 coming soon i think
the google edition and the snapdragon 800, maybe you could wait for those
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Snapdragon 800? Didn't hear of that until now, thanks for the info Now that is really worth a wait, but for how long
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there are 2 more versions of the S4 coming soon i think
the google edition and the snapdragon 800, maybe you could wait for those
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Don't wait for those, the S5 will be out next year!!
Wait for that instead.
Come on this is ridiculous!
The S4 is a great phone, there will always be better phones just around the corner so just go for the S4.
Either version is good. If you need help making up your mind read one of the hundred threads already on xda about this.
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So which model has a better future? (leaving the 4G part).
Hope I get a reply as I am sure the highly knowledgeable and vast users of this forum can help ease my confusion.
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i9505. Two words, developer support. Oh and 4G LOL
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Is there 4g on tmobile?
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Obagleyfreer said:
Don't wait for those, the S5 will be out next year!!
Wait for that instead.
Come on this is ridiculous!
The S4 is a great phone, there will always be better phones just around the corner so just go for the S4.
Either version is good. If you need help making up your mind read one of the hundred threads already on xda about this.
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Well, I only planning to buy an S4 and only confused due to different models in S4. And if the Snapdragon 800 model is going to be out in say 2 months or less, I guess its worth the wait?
P.S. No time to wait until S5 launches
Was waiting for GS4 Octa 32GB to arrive in UAE and it is available now but this LTE-A variant has Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 which is definitely faster than the original version, I am not able to decide if I should get the 32GB version now or wait for the LTE-A, will Samsung release this internationally? I change my phone in two years so I want something which doesn't get outdated soon.
Wait for the LTE as it supports 4g and support glse 3.0 and has better battery life so it cud spend more time with u
but if u want a phone for 2 years dont choose samsung because its screen burns and becomes bad after sometime
qazmed said:
Wait for the LTE as it supports 4g and support glse 3.0 and has better battery life so it cud spend more time with u
but if u want a phone for 2 years dont choose samsung because its screen burns and becomes bad after sometime
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Well I am using S2 from the last two years and no issues with the screen so far, I don't care about 4G, the choice is in between Exynos Octa and Snapdragon 800.
most likely won't come international. Samsung always releases a korea only version, as their networks are generally more advanced then the rest of the world (not as good as Japan's networks though).
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Wait for the LTE as it supports 4g and support glse 3.0 and has better battery life so it cud spend more time with u
but if u want a phone for 2 years dont choose samsung because its screen burns and becomes bad after sometime
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caudex said:
most likely won't come international. Samsung always releases a korea only version, as their networks are generally more advanced then the rest of the world (not as good as Japan's networks though).
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I hope they don't release it internationally or it will definitely annoy existing S4 users.
ila420 said:
Well I am using S2 from the last two years and no issues with the screen so far, I don't care about 4G, the choice is in between Exynos Octa and Snapdragon 800.
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Most users dnt see it but it is there and mostly in black screen
there is a thread abt it in the general forum check it out
qazmed said:
Most users dnt see it but it is there and mostly in black screen
there is a thread abt it in the general forum check it out
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So you mean S4 is not a good choice if I want to keep the phone for two years, what about S4 Active it has TFT screen but will have to compromise in internal memory as it has only 11GB available for usage.
ila420 said:
So you mean S4 is not a good choice if I want to keep the phone for two years, what about S4 Active it has TFT screen but will have to compromise in internal memory as it has only 11GB available for usage.
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W8 for note 3 they say it will have lcd screen i wish if i had w8ed for note 3 i prefer phablets over phines
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W8 for note 3 they say it will have lcd screen i wish if i had w8ed for note 3 i prefer phablets over phines
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Phablet is too big for me, I don't like any phone more than 5 inches, S4 fits best but with so many variants it is really difficult to decide what to get which can be with you for a long time, 32GB plus point for I9500, Screen plus point for Active and Snapdragon 800 plus point for LTE-A, it is really confusing.
Just one last question, the Octa version has powervr SGX 544MP3 and Snapdragon one has Adreno 320, was reading on the web that only Adreno 320 will support opengl es3.0 which will come with Android 4.3.
Does this mean PowerVR is not future proof?
ila420 said:
Just one last question, the Octa version has powervr SGX 544MP3 and Snapdragon one has Adreno 320, was reading on the web that only Adreno 320 will support opengl es3.0 which will come with Android 4.3.
Does this mean PowerVR is not future proof?
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Nothing is future proof .
Get the S600.
North Americans use that device... my experience is that devices that have more North Americans using it tend to have more developer support... possibly because they have alot of programmers over there ?
The long and short is long after Samsung stops releasing updates for the phone teams like Cyanogen will still support it.
Secondly Google Edition runs on tbe S600
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ila420 said:
Just one last question, the Octa version has powervr SGX 544MP3 and Snapdragon one has Adreno 320, was reading on the web that only Adreno 320 will support opengl es3.0 which will come with Android 4.3.
Does this mean PowerVR is not future proof?
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I am also in uae.. I choose i9505..its best for the future.. Supports opengl es 3.0, the hardware is same as that of google edition s4..so you will get updates faster(aosp) & may be even after samsung stops updating the s4..s600 is more developer friendly than the exynos version.. So you will have so many mods or coustom roms etc
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Snapdragon 800-powered Galaxy S4 for international markets may have just leaked as the Samsung GT-i9506 http://drippler.com/updates/share/s...ional-markets-may-have-just-leaked-samsung-gt Via j.mp/getDrippler
how many are we getting?
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Did they releasing new version once a week? There's already many variants for this devices. Lets say, E300S, E300K, E300L, E330S, i9500, i9505, S4 mini, S4 active, S4 camera and now i9506 with better snapdragon 800? Hell. Yeah. Sammy.
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hotheabilly said:
Did they releasing new version once a week? There's already many variants for this devices. Lets say, E300S, E300K, E300L, E330S, i9500, i9505, S4 mini, S4 active, S4 camera and now i9506 with better snapdragon 800? Hell. Yeah. Sammy.
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theyre pushing the boundaries already, they must have known that the snapdragon 800 was going to be released soon when they released the s4
they could have waited instead of releasing a hundred variants
now early adopters are stuck with slower, more expensive versions of the same device(kinda since you can always buy the new one but its still a double expense)
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Welcome to life. Tech advances faster than our wallets fill up.
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Yap thats not practical. Just, why samsung? Are you too greedy? Why so many version? If the S4 comes with just one variant and that is packed with snapdragon 800 and adreno 330, even for international version, that would be great.
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hotheabilly said:
Yap thats not practical. Just, why samsung? Are you too greedy? Why so many version? If the S4 comes with just one variant and that is packed with snapdragon 800 and adreno 330, even for international version, that would be great.
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Exactly, it even would have been easier to sell millions of them without having to bother with extra hardware(failed octa, snapdragon 600), less expense=more money samsung should know this
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Exactly, it even would have been easier to sell millions of them without having to bother with extra hardware(failed octa, snapdragon 600), less expense=more money samsung should know this
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Yup, these are pain in the ass, sh*tty strategy from samsung marketing planner. 4+4 exynos, snap600, snap800, and when tegra 4 is released then S4 i9510 will available too? Lol
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Every Company wants to fill their own pocket ...not costomer's...
So never think any company tour own...
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Especially Samsung
Its great news for some...who didnt buy s4...and sorrow for other who already bought s4...and Samsung will give reason that we have exchange scheme so trade s4 with new s4
So never dependant or fanboy of any company or device
ipsuvedi said:
Every Company wants to fill their own pocket ...not costomer's...
So never think any company tour own...
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Especially Samsung
Its great news for some...who didnt buy s4...and sorrow for other who already bought s4...and Samsung will give reason that we have exchange scheme so trade s4 with new s4
So never dependant or fanboy of any company or device
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Not fanboy or anything, just feel cheated
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Same feelings. I feel cheated.. I showed my support to Samsung.. Purchased SGS4 I9500 on the very first day despite of thinking about expensive price.. And later they came up with all those variants..
Neither they are releasing documentation for Exynos nor doing tremendous work in fixing bugs we are facing.. I would say, I will never ever go with Samsung again..
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Same feelings. I feel cheated.. I showed my support to Samsung.. Purchased SGS4 I9500 on the very first day despite of thinking about expensive price.. And later they came up with all those variants..
Neither they are releasing documentation for Exynos nor doing tremendous work in fixing bugs we are facing.. I would say, I will never ever go with Samsung again..
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Now that you mention it, i wouldnt be as offended if i could install CM on my 9500 lol, damn samsung and their sources
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There's really no need for an S4 with Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 (i9506).
Sure on paper it may perform better than the current S600 version, but will we notice in real life usage? Probably not.
The original Galaxy S4 S600 variant is more than enough hardware to run anything we throw at it, at least for the next year.
So be happy with with your S4 and just wait till the S5 is released, this will be even better again than i9506 version.
And so the cycle continues. This is simply technology for you.
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Now that you mention it, i wouldnt be as offended if i could install CM on my 9500 lol, damn samsung and their sources
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Exactly.. If I get good after sale service from Samsung. I am more than happy of for that.. Samsung sucks in maintaining public relations and keeping promises.. They are liars, cheaters.. That's what I know. I am Samsung user since SGS1 days.. I know they never kept promises. They hate us (people over XDA)
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Same feelings. I feel cheated.. I showed my support to Samsung.. Purchased SGS4 I9500 on the very first day despite of thinking about expensive price.. And later they came up with all those variants..
Neither they are releasing documentation for Exynos nor doing tremendous work in fixing bugs we are facing.. I would say, I will never ever go with Samsung again..
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IMO Samsung is doing this to keep up the competition with the recently released HTC One.
Their very first S4 may have been better in terms of specs but those who used HTC One and S4 in real life knew the difference and knew that HTC One was way better.
Therefore, they are trying to win this competition by releasing another variant of this device with better specs and also trying to reason the price.
But a word of advice to Samsung. There are not many people who know that there are so many variants of a single device. People just come in at a mobile store and ask for a S4. They seriously do not mention a particular variant no.
So Samsung, plz stop sh***ing around and plan on releasing better mobile phones like HTC one and not some plastic mobile with ground breaking specs thrown in which are not 100% compatible with each other.
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Mayank7795 said:
IMO Samsung is doing this to keep up the competition with the recently released HTC One.
Their very first S4 may have been better in terms of specs but those who used HTC One and S4 in real life knew the difference and knew that HTC One was way better.
Therefore, they are trying to win this competition by releasing another variant of this device with better specs and also trying to reason the price.
But a word of advice to Samsung. There are not many people who know that there are so many variants of a single device. People just come in at a mobile store and ask for a S4. They seriously do not mention a particular variant no.
So Samsung, plz stop sh***ing around and plan on releasing better mobile phones like HTC one and not some plastic mobile with ground breaking specs thrown in which are not 100% compatible with each other.
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To be specific, Every variant (except minis) of SGS4 has performed very very well against HTC One in terms of performance, battery life and camera too..
The competition is not HTC One.. They already are way way ahead than HTC One in terms of sales (5m vs 20m)..
negrobembon said:
theyre pushing the boundaries already, they must have known that the snapdragon 800 was going to be released soon when they released the s4
they could have waited instead of releasing a hundred variants
now early adopters are stuck with slower, more expensive versions of the same device(kinda since you can always buy the new one but its still a double expense)
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Slower versions? Slower where.? In antutu and quadrant? Come on guys, wake up, benchmark is not the end of the road. Be happy with the devices you get with your hard earned money.
Samsung is not the only player in market doing this, HTC and Sony are doing the same. Sony is now preparing honami and HTC is preparing a 5 inch HTC one which will make the xperia z and HTC one owners moan. And within a matter of time we will see devices with 5420 which will beat them all, the cycle goes on
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im going to get a phone i want htc one but here in my country its damn expensive , no ads for it compared with s4 and iphone , and you cannot find anywhere cases for it and its not popular but i think its better than s4 .... So i changed my mind and i was intending to get i9505 and this **** have come now but it would be expensive and i say to all s4 owners your phones is extremely fast comapred to its competitors and dont give a **** for samsung as i see this phone an un-needed upgrade and why they dont pack sd800 in note 3 and speed it up then pack it in next year's s5 (***k samsung)
bala_gamer said:
Slower versions? Slower where.? In antutu and quadrant? Come on guys, wake up, benchmark is not the end of the road. Be happy with the devices you get with your hard earned money.
Samsung is not the only player in market doing this, HTC and Sony are doing the same. Sony is now preparing honami and HTC is preparing a 5 inch HTC one which will make the xperia z and HTC one owners moan. And within a matter of time we will see devices with 5420 which will beat them all, the cycle goes on
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Youre right, speed is not that much of an issue as all versions are really fast but still...
And what about updates? How long will they take now that there are so many S4 running amok
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Slower versions? Slower where.? In antutu and quadrant? Come on guys, wake up, benchmark is not the end of the road. Be happy with the devices you get with your hard earned money.
Samsung is not the only player in market doing this, HTC and Sony are doing the same. Sony is now preparing honami and HTC is preparing a 5 inch HTC one which will make the xperia z and HTC one owners moan. And within a matter of time we will see devices with 5420 which will beat them all, the cycle goes on
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Htc and sony are releasing a 5+ inch devices (phablets) to compete with note 3 so they wouldnt moan just like s and note
I am sure the life span of updates for SGS4 (I9500) will be much shorter than any other device in high end Galaxy lineup Only around 20-25% of SGS4 devices are I9500. I am worried about future updates. That's why I am vouching for either CM port or something like that