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My original question:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
Answer from Motorola support can be seen from my update here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11546402&postcount=19
gogol said:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
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All legit androids use microSD, as does the XOOM.
I don't know what you mean by hardware slot.
USB Port? Are you asking how the microSD slot interfaces with the device? Your question is good, because I too have been wondering where the SD Card goes.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use
I am not seeing any mention of SD card slot in the specs or in the user manual. Am I missing it somewhere?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...rice/1946179.p?id=1218305636450&skuId=1946179
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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jvs60 said:
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
keitht said:
I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
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I think I remember hearing somewhere around CES that the SD card slot didn't work and was going to be activated by a later patch. What's up with the Xoom being shipped with all kinds of missing functionality?
The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
socomdark said:
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
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Thanks, I missed that:
"Tips & tricks
• Photos and videos are stored on your micro SD
memory card."
I just hope it actually works without waiting for an update. It is odd that Best Buy specs for the device do not mention an SD slot even exists.
Yes. Support WILL come. I would love to know how they are having trouble with something so basic. Based on the Viewsonic G-Tablet labeling internal memory as SD 1 and the SD card as SD 2.. perhaps they are working on a more fluid integration of it. As long as they let me put the 50,000 apps I plan to install on the internal memory similar to App2SD I'm happy for now.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
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On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Apple does take their time and won't rush to just release a product.
I am sure motorola will have a patch ready to go soon if not already. they may have already gotten it done and put on the device.
Being an early adopter of gadgets I understand that sometimes the first release can be a little buggy.
However it bugs me that Motorola did not clarify these issues. No flash and no SD support out of the gate is something that should have been clarified to everyone. I have followed pretty closely the last month and did not realize either of these issues until today.
Having the promise of working features after day 1 is not always a lock as my Galaxy S phone was promised to have an update for flash support and an update to fix the GPS issue yet that has never happened.
i am still buying one on Thursday but will be deciding on the 29th day if I feel I can trust Motorola.
MOTO just wanted to wear the hat of "first to market a honeycomb tablet". Its a race for that hat, with solid patches coming down the pipe pretty quickly.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Not sure why we are talking about the Ianything.. But Cut and Paste wasn't initially supported ... enough said.
This has been answered by the Motorola supports:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0
DansDroid wrote:
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan
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So, apparently, this could be something NEW to Android.
There is only 1 single partition for all apps, media, files, etc.
That's good!
I think I talked about this in a different thread, but the reason for the delay in sd card support is because the sd card will not be mounted/unmounted whenever you plug it into the pc. Which I would prefer. Having my sd card mount and unmount every time I plug it into the pc is annoying.
This is the reason for the delay. Rebuilding the wheel takes some time.
Is it in the works? I really want a 64GB version. 32GB is not enough for me. Keep running out of space.
Also:
I'm pissed off that Google intentionally kept us from upgrading, doing the same shady crap Apple does, exploiting consumers and stealing from them with the business model. by intentionally not adding expandable storage and charging more for higher memory.
I'm disappointed that Galaxy Tab 7 still isn't close to the performance of Nexus 7. (dual core, etc.) I would gladly pay more for a device which had the same performance and looks of Nexus 7 but with external SDXC slot.
Your posting in the wrong section. Should be in qa.
Also most likely no ones gonna know ...
And yeah it sucks there isn't a micro SD slot. But for the price we pay for the device we can't really complain
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The_Zodiac said:
Your posting in the wrong section. Should be in qa.
Also most likely no ones gonna know ...
And yeah it sucks there isn't a micro SD slot. But for the price we pay for the device we can't really complain.
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Thanks for the tip, didn't know about that section.
As for complaining, I can complain from an ethical standpoint.
Don't really think I would consider that unethical.
More memory = higher cost for manufacture.
Same thing as buying a 500gb hard drive vs 1 tb.
Also you can use a flash drive with an adapter
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Don't really think I would consider that unethical.
More memory = higher cost for manufacture.
Same thing as buying a 500gb hard drive vs 1 tb.
Also you can use a flash drive with an adapter
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Not true.
More memory does Not = higher cost for manufacturer.
Put in 16GB and add an SD card slot. Then consumers can decide if they want to buy extra memory which is MUCH CHEAPER than the "upgrade" to the 32GB closed device.
Didn't you know this?
Google has no justification except Apple's - intentional consumer exploitation to make a profit.
The logic that Google has a 0-profit margin is irrelevant. Because if they were really not trying to make a profit, then they'd let us upgrade to as much storage as we want.
I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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First off, I'm NEVER buying cloud. EVER. I'm not even going to get into my reasons for this.
Second, USB is not practical. Then you've got this thing hanging off the end. We don't want that.
Third, ideally I'd like to have my full ebook and audiobook collection as well as music collection and videos too available on my device. I can connect to my home PC filesystem when at home, but when I'm away I don't want to have to stream data over a network. I want the data on my device.
By the way, SDXC supports up to 2TB SD cards. Obviously 2TB SD is not out yet, but it has the upwards capability.
I get low storage on my 32GB daily. I started getting it shortly after buying the device. Because I do tons of stuff and have TONS of data that I WANT on my device. It's what I want, you can't argue with what I want.
I would like terabytes worth, but since that's not possible I at least want to be able to CHOOSE if I want to upgrade the device to the maximum memory possible - which by the way is currently a 256GB SD card.
In 2009, almost 5 years ago now, Wired talked about how 2TB micro SDXC card is coming soon. So it's on the horizon.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/01/two-terabyte-sd/
In this video of the Mobile World Congress 2009, the manufacturer talks about how "2TB micro SD could be about 5 years to come out". That was in 2009. 5 years from 2009 is 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAlbPBOsNo
What do you mean "buying cloud"?
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First off, I'm NEVER buying cloud. EVER. I'm not even going to get into my reasons for this.
Second, USB is not practical. Then you've got this thing hanging off the end. We don't want that.
Third, ideally I'd like to have my full ebook and audiobook collection as well as music collection and videos too available on my device. I can connect to my home PC filesystem when at home, but when I'm away I don't want to have to stream data over a network. I want the data on my device.
By the way, SDXC supports up to 2TB SD cards. Obviously 2TB SD is not out yet, but it has the upwards capability.
I get low storage on my 32GB daily. I started getting it shortly after buying the device. Because I do tons of stuff and have TONS of data that I WANT on my device. It's what I want, you can't argue with what I want.
I would like terabytes worth, but since that's not possible I at least want to be able to CHOOSE if I want to upgrade the device to the maximum memory possible - which by the way is currently a 256GB SD card.
In 2009, almost 5 years ago now, Wired talked about how 2TB micro SDXC card is coming soon. So it's on the horizon.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/01/two-terabyte-sd/
In this video of the Mobile World Congress 2009, the manufacturer talks about how "2TB micro SD could be about 5 years to come out". That was in 2009. 5 years from 2009 is 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAlbPBOsNo
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If what you want is more storage, and you are not willing to argue what you want, I guess I have only one question for you.
Why did you buy a 32GB tablet, knowing full well that it has no removable storage and you refuse to use cloud storage? You knew it wouldn't be enough storage yet you bought it knowing this and then complain. I don't get it, unless I'm missing something.
I could be wrong, but I think Google or Asus would have to pay some type of licensing fee if they wanted to include a microsd card slot. I think that was their reasoning for not having it and the cloud of course.
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Maybe instead of spending your time complaining you can learn to mod the device. Someone modded a GS3 to hold 128gb or something like that.
Oh wait I know what your reply will be... "But it's MY money and I should be able to spend it to buy what I WANT."
I'm just letting you know that you sound like a spoiled kid. You are entitled to your opinion and whatever but idk if you're using your time wisely.
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Is it in the works? I really want a 64GB version. 32GB is not enough for me. Keep running out of space.
Also:
I'm pissed off that Google intentionally kept us from upgrading, doing the same shady crap Apple does, exploiting consumers and stealing from them with the business model. by intentionally not adding expandable storage and charging more for higher memory.
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At least included left USB-OTG support.
Get a meenova if you want some unobtrusive sdcard expansion.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andyfei/mini-microsd-reader-for-android-smartphones-and-ta
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I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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OTG isn't working on Android 4.3, it's a bug (reported by Nexus Media Importer), but it works fine in recovery.
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I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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Bro, FHD takes space. I'm with OP. I am having to transcode my BD rips to get more than 3 to fit. What if those aren't the three I end up wanting to watch while on travel?
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Hm, sounds like your needs are not met with the device you have. So, Why not research and get a device that fits your needs?
1. Your needs are that you need to store all of your ebooks, audio books, etc without putting it on cloud.
2. You realized that 32gb is not enough storage, and currently there are no plans for Google to come out with 64gb version of nexus 7. (at least that I know of)
3. You do not want an OTG cable and something hanging from the device.
4. I think it may be in your best interest to find another device that fits your needs or, make modification to your current device as some of the other members mentioned.
Good luck.
There's a microSD reader in the works that's barely larger than the card itself. That should suffice anyone. I however also agree that not offering a card slot is greedy on Google's part. Hell I'd would have still bought the 32G version if it had an expansion slot and probably stuck a 64G card in the slot. Of course I'm a storage whore.
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FrauPerchta said:
There's a microSD reader in the works that's barely larger than the card itself. That should suffice anyone. I however also agree that not offering a card slot is greedy on Google's part. Hell I'd would have still bought the 32G version if it had an expansion slot and probably stuck a 64G card in the slot. Of course I'm a storage whore.
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link to device
http://androidandme.com/thread/kickstarter-usb-otg-microsd-reader-2-days-left/
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OTG isn't working on Android 4.3, it's a bug (reported by Nexus Media Importer), but it works fine in recovery.
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I don't think it was that OTG isn't working but the android functionality used by Nexus Media Importer to get notified and mount the drive wasn't working.
The kernel support for OTG must be working because stickmount works.
NMI uses Android level access so doesn't need root. Stickmount uses lower level access so it needs root.
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OTG isn't working on Android 4.3, it's a bug (reported by Nexus Media Importer), but it works fine in recovery.
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Then please explain to me how I was and am able to access and view all files from my flash drive via USB OTG.
It seems to me that OP has a completely unabashed and irrational sense of entitlement that clouds his ability to censor his posts to intellectual or relevant topics.
Hopefully he will read this thread in a couple of days and feel shame and embarrassment with the way he flaunts his self serving arrogance.
Imho.
sfhub said:
I don't think it was that OTG isn't working but the android functionality used by Nexus Media Importer to get notified and mount the drive wasn't working.
The kernel support for OTG must be working because stickmount works.
NMI uses Android level access so doesn't need root. Stickmount uses lower level access so it needs root.
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It was my fault, I use stickmount too, but it was due to my micro USB micro SD card reader couldn't read my 64gb SD card but my 32gb worked fine.
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Then please explain to me how I was and am able to access and view all files from my flash drive via USB OTG.
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Someone sounds mad.
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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While it would be nice to have more internal memory, you can put in a 64 GB microSD and it will likely be read (the Note 2 can already read them). MP3's don't necessarily have to reside in internal memory, so why not just use a 64GB micro-SD instead? ;The price is down to under $50 if you shop around.
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CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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won't happen !!! by the way Samsung has invented a technique which will allow sdcard to be as large as 128GB or more...and faster than current technologies..maybe wait for Samsung S 5 and Note IV maybe..I doubt if note 3 would come with it
http://bgr.com/2013/08/06/samsung-3d-vertical-nan-flash/
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With the NOTE being such a large phone...
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...that shares many components and design concepts with other Samsung phones.
Why would a bigger SD card physically have any impact on what can be read by the phone? Samsung's devices support exFAT and a 64GB max SD card. It's not the micro (vs. standard) SD card that's imposing that limitation. Some other manufacturer's devices don't support exFAT at all and can only handle a max 32GB micro SD card.
Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks.
iCurmudgeon said:
why not just use a 64GB micro-SD instead? ;The price is down to under $50 if you shop around.
mudge
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I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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won't happen !!! by the way Samsung has invented a technique which will allow sdcard to be as large as 128GB or more...and faster than current technologies..maybe wait for Samsung S 5 and Note IV maybe..I doubt if note 3 would come with it
http://bgr.com/2013/08/06/samsung-3d-vertical-nan-flash/
Yeah, 128GB is coming next year from more than just Samsung.
Too little, too late IMO.
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...that shares many components and design concepts with other Samsung phones.
Why would a bigger SD card physically have any impact on what can be read by the phone? Samsung's devices support exFAT and a 64GB max SD card. It's not the micro (vs. standard) SD card that's imposing that limitation. Some other manufacturer's devices don't support exFAT at all and can only handle a max 32GB micro SD card.
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I don't understand your point(s).
CZ Eddie said:
Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks. I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol. I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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For that, you'll probably need otg. Meaning a short cable or adapter with micro USB male at one end and female USB at the other end and that will give you the ability to connect a 512GB USB to your phone!
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CZ Eddie said:
Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks.
I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
I don't understand your point(s).
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Dude that is crazy. Wanting to 500gigs. Even if I had that much music I would carry it on a 512gig sdd or HDD. The note 2 has otg so it is easy to swap info as needed. I carry drivers and other miscellaneous because I do free troubleshooting and fixing old people's computers. I would to have 128 or even 256 SD cards but I wouldnt mind a 64gb note3 with 64gig micro SD. That would be great and less compromising.
CZ Eddie said:
I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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I am 100% with you although it's not just music I would fill 500GB with.
I have a 500GB SSD on my laptop and ideally I would be able to carry ALL OF MY FILES on my smartphone. Android, unlike the other toy mobile OSes, can do practically the same things a regular PC does and the Note II's display is big enough (still small for me though) to ENABLE taking advantage of all of the Android's capabilities.
Plus, there always are Allshare Cast, HDMI out, BT keyboard and mouse and USB OTG. In a pinch, Android smartphones can perfectly act as PC replacements (god I love this stuff and god I hate the guts of crap like iOS and other such dog sh*t!). I travel a lot and live abroad for several weeks at a time, on shorter stays I am not even carrying my laptop anymore.
I am one of those who always buy the biggest internal storage variant and the biggest external memory card which fits, at the moment I have a 16GB Note II with a 64GB Samsung UHS-1 card, if 64GB or 32GB Note IIs were sold in Europe I would have gladly paid for the biggest internal storage option available (plus, of course, the biggest fitting memory card).
The cloud is GREAT but ONLY for backups and quick syncing of SMALL files across different devices. Using it in place of local storage is for non-powerusers...
I hate it so much when I am out and about and I need some less-used file which I am not keeping on my Note (for lack of space...) and I have to retrieve it via Samsung Link (which, BTW, itself is awesome).
As for your idea of using full sized SDs, I would be all for it especially since I advocate 6"/6.3" smartphones and we are saving "so much space" with "wonderful ideas" like micro and nano SIMs (...) so I believe they would fit but that's not going to happen. We are going to have to wait for the normal evolution of micro-SDs' capacity.
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I am 100% with you although it's not just music I would fill 500GB with.
I have a 500GB SSD on my laptop and ideally I would be able to carry ALL OF MY FILES on my smartphone. Android, unlike the other toy mobile OSes, can do practically the same things a regular PC does and the Note II's display is big enough (still small for me though) to ENABLE taking advantage of all of the Android's capabilities.
Plus, there always are Allshare Cast, HDMI out, BT keyboard and mouse and USB OTG. In a pinch, Android smartphones can perfectly act as PC replacements (god I love this stuff and god I hate the guts of crap like iOS and other such dog sh*t!). I travel a lot and live abroad for several weeks at a time, on shorter stays I am not even carrying my laptop anymore.
I am one of those who always buy the biggest internal storage variant and the biggest external memory card which fits, at the moment I have a 16GB Note II with a 64GB Samsung UHS-1 card, if 64GB or 32GB Note IIs were sold in Europe I would have gladly paid for the biggest internal storage option available (plus, of course, the biggest fitting memory card).
The cloud is GREAT but ONLY for backups and quick syncing of SMALL files across different devices. Using it in place of local storage is for non-powerusers...
I hate it so much when I am out and about and I need some less-used file which I am not keeping on my Note (for lack of space...) and I have to retrieve it via Samsung Link (which, BTW, itself is awesome).
As for your idea of using full sized SDs, I would be all for it especially since I advocate 6"/6.3" smartphones and we are saving "so much space" with "wonderful ideas" like micro and nano SIMs (...) so I believe they would fit but that's not going to happen. We are going to have to wait for the normal evolution of micro-SDs' capacity.
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even if the capacityfor 500GB was available I think there would be battery concerns as would chew more power !!
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CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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Maybe you should ask Sammy to make a note with multiple compact flash slots so you can put twice the storage capacity.
For me 64gb is enough. I just hope they skip 16gb models. To small for for my needs.
I don't do cloud computing because I don't have internet access everywhere.
Anyways I also heard and read about a person who modified his note 2 to have 288gb
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Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks.
I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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So get yourself a 1-terabyte Seagate Wireless Plus drive and use that (or stick it to the back of your phone). 802.11g/n, 1TB capacity, rechargeable battery and, best of all it can act as a bridge to your regular wi-fi router so you don't have to keep switching access points. Comes with a USB 3.0 adapter so you can load up your music fast. Android app available at the Play Store (some people seem to think it's Apple only. It isn't).
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Maybe you should ask Sammy to make a note with multiple compact flash slots so you can put twice the storage capacity. For me 64gb is enough. I just hope they skip 16gb models. To small for for my needs.
I don't do cloud computing because I don't have internet access everywhere. Anyways I also heard and read about a person who modified his note 2 to have 288gb
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Modified to 288GB? Where & how? --- Sent from my Amazon Kindle Fire (cm10.2) using xda premium
iCurmudgeon said:
So get yourself a 1-terabyte Seagate Wireless Plus drive and use that (or stick it to the back of your phone). 802.11g/n, 1TB capacity, rechargeable battery and, best of all it can act as a bridge to your regular wi-fi router so you don't have to keep switching access points. Comes with a USB 3.0 adapter so you can load up your music fast. Android app available at the Play Store (some people seem to think it's Apple only. It isn't).
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Good find there.
You get a terabyte of storage for less than the cost of a 256 gb sd card.
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Modified to 288GB? Where & how? --- Sent from my Amazon Kindle Fire (cm10.2) using xda premium
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2239413&highlight=288gb+note+2
There you go. Guy did some neat modding honestly. Bit expensive for my tastes. I think I'd just get a portable wireless drive and save time and money.
CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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What kind of thread is this really? From the title, it sounds like you have already established that the note 3 doesn't support "normal sd card" and then you say I hope it'll have normal sd card..... Makes a lot of sense.
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What kind of thread is this really? From the title, it sounds like you have already established that the note 3 doesn't support "normal sd card" and then you say I hope it'll have normal sd card..... Makes a lot of sense.
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No kidding, Sherlock!
Exactly!
And no, I'm simply wishing it would have normal SD card capability.
And hopefully, somehow, Samsung will take notice of my request or someone else's and implement massive storage into the Note IV.
It's far too late for the Note III, and possibly too late for the IV as well. These things are already being designed well before the previous version is even released.
USB-OTG... a great solution for keeping your storage in a particular location. Not much good if I want to suddenly have access to all my storage when I'm at a friends house though.
Pshhh to most of the other posters. Only one or two get it on this thread so far.
I'm not a newb. I know what my CURRENT options are.
This thread is about hoping for future, BETTER options as far as storage goes.
And yes, multiple MicroSD cards in one phone would be a suitable alternative.
Better yet, multiple normal SD cards would be even better.
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...that shares many components and design concepts with other Samsung phones.
Why would a bigger SD card physically have any impact on what can be read by the phone? Samsung's devices support exFAT and a 64GB max SD card. It's not the micro (vs. standard) SD card that's imposing that limitation. Some other manufacturer's devices don't support exFAT at all and can only handle a max 32GB micro SD card.
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The 64GB "limit" doesn't actually exist. It's just that there are no larger capacity cards. If you align the pins or use a correct adapter you can use a 128GB card without any problems.
OP, I hope you're actually ripping the FLACs from a CD or getting them ripped, converting MP3s to FLAC won't do you any good.
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CZ Eddie said:
No kidding, Sherlock!
Exactly!
And no, I'm simply wishing it would have normal SD card capability.
And hopefully, somehow, Samsung will take notice of my request or someone else's and implement massive storage into the Note IV.
It's far too late for the Note III, and possibly too late for the IV as well. These things are already being designed well before the previous version is even released.
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I'm sure Sammy would do it, but at what cost? The unlocked model of the Note 2 is already north of $600 ... even with carrier subsidies a phone with what you want would cost at least that, probably $2000 unlocked. All the fun and games that would make it possible just isn't worth it to me. No smartphone is.
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I'm sure Sammy would do it, but at what cost? The unlocked model of the Note 2 is already north of $600 ... even with carrier subsidies a phone with what you want would cost at least that, probably $2000 unlocked.
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$1400 more for a SD card slot compared to microSD card slot... sounds legit
A better solution would be a phone with 2 microsd slots. Wouldn't cost a small fortune.
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Google updated the security policy of external storage since KK.
The resolution of screen is 2K now.
Not only the quality of taking pictures and videos got better but also the size of them got bigger.
But Google just let microSD go away again.
I don't know why really.
It seems Google 'hates' or feels 'disgusting' about microSD
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Google updated the security policy of external storage since KK.
The resolution of screen is 2K now.
Not only the quality of taking pictures and videos got better but also the size of them got bigger.
But Google just let microSD go away again.
I don't know why really.
It seems Google 'hates' or feels 'disgusting' about microSD
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Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
I don't think it's all about making us use the cloud. There could bentwood more possibilities I believe;
1) there are many different types of cards out there with different read and write speeds. Having a big storage with low speeds could lead to lag and general slowness..
2) Having a "removable" storage gives you an option to "remove" it, say, for media exchange. But a storage contains two types of data; user objects like musics, pictures and secondly apps which has some files inside of the actual storage also. So removing this storage may fail some apps to run. Companies prevent that by not letting people to store their apps inside of SD cards thus damaging the point of having an "extra" memory.
So I believe having an big internal storage is always betterb for these reasons..
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_delice_doluca_ said:
I don't think it's all about making us use the cloud. There could bentwood more possibilities I believe;
1) there are many different types of cards out there with different read and write speeds. Having a big storage with low speeds could lead to lag and general slowness..
2) Having a "removable" storage gives you an option to "remove" it, say, for media exchange. But a storage contains two types of data; user objects like musics, pictures and secondly apps which has some files inside of the actual storage also. So removing this storage may fail some apps to run. Companies prevent that by not letting people to store their apps inside of SD cards thus damaging the point of having an "extra" memory.
So I believe having an big internal storage is always betterb for these reasons..
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i thought it's about not letting microsoft earn their patent royalties on their file system????
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Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
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Cannot speak for the UK...but the USA is a land of laughably capped data plans. most ISPs be they landline or cellular cap your data usage laughably low. The "cloud" will die a quick death, between data caps from fat-and-happy ISPs and internet non-neutrality.
I can think of solutions for everything except pushing the cloud.
Filesystems are a dime a dozen. Just require a non-patented one. Tell the user what's going on prior to formatting it and that they can put it in a windows machine and format it to use it elsewhere. Most people don't swap them about that often. Using a security aware filesystem would solve the problem with apps accessing other apps data as well. Other than root, but rooting the device makes the users responsible for the outcome of giving apps root permission.
Speeds, meh.. Do a test and warn the user that the card is slow. Even crappy slow cards are more than fast enough for all except the higher bitrate HD videos. And few people have constant access to networks faster than even the slower SD cards.
Removing the storage doesn't happen that often. And would happen less if they didn't use a windows compatible filesystem. Apps2Sd is a ridiculous feature when even small phones come with 16GB. It made sense on the G1. Not so much now. When formatting the card, warn the user that apps using that storage might have issues if you remove the card. I don't know many normal users that remove the card, other than to upgrade to a bigger one.
Bigger internal storage is always desirable. However, I think it's ridiculous to remove the card option for users that want it. 64GB is about the level where I can get away without the card, so I will probably end up with an N6. But I find it irritating that Google removes the option. Particularly since I can't think of a reason that isn't self serving for them to do it.
But it is what it is. That's just how they do it right now. If that's a deal breaker for you, you will have to find a different device. I wish they would put the hardware there at least. Even if it required a custom kernel to enable it. But it's not likely to happen anytime soon.
I wish people stop *****ing about the MicroSD slot already.
I hope Android 6.0 removes MicroSD all together
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I wish people stop *****ing about the MicroSD slot already.
I hope Android 6.0 removes MicroSD all together
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Yeah, those people with slow and/or limited data connections who have a need for a lot of storage on their phone are sooooo ridiculous and unreasonable. Google removing MicroSD all together in a future android update is completely the right choice. Consumers should have limited choices in everything they do as should phone manufactures...... Long live blindly following everything Google does and never considering anything but a Nexus cause everything Google does is so right and amazing....
I hope you know that's sarcasm....
I don't know why many people don't/fail to understand a simple basic thing about Google, Google makes money when people are online.
Google's fundamental business strategy is - do anything and everything possible to make people go online and spend as much as time as possible on the internet (Free Android, gmail, chrome, drive, Cheap Google Fiber, Google express, failed Google glass, upcoming Self driving cars etc..), so that Google could serve you more online ads, make money on your searches, clicks and would also get more data about your online activity which would enable more data mining.
with SD card in the phone people potentially would not go online as much compared to a phone with no SD card/less built in memory, that's why no SD card in the Nexus and also why Google is trying to kill the SD card support in lollipop.
The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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Because it has nothing to do with ability. It's a choice, plain and simple. Why they make that choice is debatable, but anything we think is speculation. I generally go with "follow the money". Google gains if people are using the cloud more. But that's just opinion.
It's not a technology issue, every one of those I've seen trotted out is easy to work around.
Between the note 4 and Nexus 6... The biggest difference is touchwiz really. People will say that AOSP roms will be made. And they are right. However, note 3 still lacks a fully functional AOSP that is as stable as stock. Even if you don't care about the missing hardware support like NFC. The stability just isn't there. It's gotten much better recently, but I'm stuck on touchwiz because of it. So if you buy a note4, be sure you don't mind that. There's nothing wrong with that choice, it's a great device and looks like it works well.
The iPhone doesn't have an SD card and you don't see those users complaining. Why not just get the 64GB version and have more than enough space for photos and stuff? For the average user (which Google is targeting) they won't need more than 32GB of space, let alone 64GB.
I too wish Google would leave in an SD slot as an option. That said, I suspect that 64GB is more than enough storage for 90% or more of users, so I see why they leave it off the Nexus line. I think 64 will be more than I'll need in the next 2 years so I'm not really concerned. I may load up a 64 GB OTG solution with movies for when I'm traveling.
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The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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As above, Google want you using the cloud. It's not that they can't do it - they just don't want to. Simple as that. :good:
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As above, Google want you using the cloud. It's not that they can't do it - they just don't want to. Simple as that. :good:
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But at the time same if Google was really that concerned with making people use the cloud why would they offer 64 GB? Why not stick with the Nexus 4 mottle of 8/16GB? That makes more sense in the pushing people to the cloud argument.
I love the cloud, but like most people I don't have unlimited data or perfect signal everywhere I go. Options are key. That said I will still get a Nexus because I love everything else about it (minus the non removable battery) and I've had them all so far. And USB on the go is not very convenient (I've used it for a couple years) for what most of us want to use them for. For a plane ride sure, but not practical for daily use.
A better question is.. why don't we have minimum 128 gigs of internal storage? Hell even 256? How expensive is it for companies to include this much storage? Apple does, so why can't Google?
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But at the time same if Google was really that concerned with making people use the cloud why would they offer 64 GB? Why not stick with the Nexus 4 mottle of 8/16GB? That makes more sense in the pushing people to the cloud argument.
I love the cloud, but like most people I don't have unlimited data or perfect signal everywhere I go. Options are key. That said I will still get a Nexus because I love everything else about it (minus the non removable battery) and I've had them all so far. And USB on the go is not very convenient (I've used it for a couple years) for what most of us want to use them for. For a plane ride sure, but not practical for daily use.
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With ART, the cache run partition for apps is going up quite a bit in size. Like double. People who needed Apps2SD on 16GB phones might still have problems with 32GB phones under ART.
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With ART, the cache run partition for apps is going up quite a bit in size. Like double. People who needed Apps2SD on 16GB phones might still have problems with 32GB phones under ART.
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That's also true. It complicates things with art. But more importantly as repeated here, Google is promoting cloud storage.
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rydako said:
Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
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I don't buy that because even 32gb is more than enough for most people...
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i thought it's about not letting microsoft earn their patent royalties on their file system????
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This is one of the truths. The other is that Google finds cloud storage the more viable option as well.
But in all honesty, if you seriously need more than 50GB of storage for your phone, you seriously have a problem with transferring files off of your device and to a computer/server. Even with my Nexus 4 I never exceeded the 16GB/12GB the device had available for storage.
I move my pictures and video to my external HDD once a month, move the ones I share often to my G+ Photo drive so I can always access them when needed.
I hardly keep music on my phone aside from when I make them into ringtones/notifications. I suggest any diehard music fan to simply get a PMP if you want to listen to music while on the go. PMP's have an independent battery and last FAR longer than your phone will, plus it will not drain your phone's battery and PMP's have proper quality sound compared to phones where it just works fine but does not offer true quality sound. Plus a PMP will allow more storage options as well for those with the insane music collections like I do.
Seriously between these two things, the only thing that has ever been close of a threat to taking up my phone storage is my ROM backups, which I never keep more than 2 at a time on my device since they eat up storage so often. Again they can be put on an external drive whether it be your computer or personal server.
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.
Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.
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Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.
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I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope
Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.
I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??
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Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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TJCacher said:
Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.
Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed