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Boosted by One, HTC grows its sales by 26% in April. Up 71% since February, with more growth ahead
HTC bet big on its new smartphone called the HTC One. In fact, HTC was so confident in its new smartphone that it promised a turnaround for Q2 of 2013 once the device gained traction.
Early indications and that HTC is in fact gaining traction thanks to the popularity of its One smartphone. HTC recently reported that revenue for April 2013 was up by 23% unaudited compared to March. The numbers HTC is throwing around for April 2013 are $664 million in revenue.
Sources: Slashgear & Unwired
April of this year was down 37% from last year. January through April of this year is down the same 37% from last year which means April didn't improve the four-month average. Looking ahead, Q2 last year HTC generated $3B USD in revenue. With full production of the One they are projecting Q2 this year at $2.3B USD which is 23% below last year. And Q2 2012 was 57% below Q2 2011. So if they make Q2's numbers (which they have provided) they'll be 30% below last year by mid-year 2013. And while April 2013 was 26% better than March 2013, March 2013 was a 48% drop from March 2012 making this year's rosy month-over-month comparative rather misleading. March this year was dismal because of parts shortages so one would expect April to be an improvement. So far, with the One, HTC’s projecting to be down 30% in revenue by mid-year 2013 as compared to last year. The One won’t be “new” anymore by July when the second half of the year starts and new phones from Apple, Motorola, and LG will be out as well as the Note 3 being expected in Q3. With all the effort HTC’s put in to the One if they can’t even match last year’s revenue numbers that’s going to be viewed pretty negatively by analysts and investors. If something as dramatic as the One can’t reverse HTC’s decline, what will?
HTC on Monday reported its revenue performance for the month of April, which continued the company’s downward trend as it struggles against rivals Samsung and Apple. HTC’s sales totaled NT$19.6 billion in April 2013, or roughly $645 million, and cumulative sales for the first four months of 2013 have now reached NT$62.4 billion. April’s performance was down 37% from April 2012, when HTC reported sales totaling NT$31 billion. HTC also saw cumulative revenue reach NT$99 billion by the end of April last year. While the company’s April 2012 sales continued a downward trend that has some industry watchers questioning whether or not HTC should begin hunting for a new CEO, there is one positive sign: As the HTC One began to roll out around the world in April, HTC’s revenue was up 26% over March.http://news.yahoo.com/htc-revenue-dives-again-april-one-shows-signs-120022279.html
O/T, but the yahoo article you linked to had a link back to BGR showing leaked pictures of google's so-called "X phone".
http://bgr.com/2013/05/03/x-phone-photos-specs-leak/
HTC may be shrinking, but their phones look somewhat novel.
If those pictures are real, the X phone is the most boring uninspired uncreative design possible. It's like someone said let's make it look like the average appearance of a high end 2011 smartphone. It better have a 64-core processor with terabytes of RAM because people won't be buying it for its looks..
Then again google will probably be around in five years to try again. HTC, not so sure. Let's hope they find a niche ("android phones with up-to-date specs and a higher-quality look and feel than Samsung" ) and fill it profitably, even if they have to shrink a little to do it.
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As most news of HTC's demise are exaggarated, this sort of stuff is exaggarated too. They have been making so little money lately, any increase is going to seem big.
aydc said:
As most news of HTC's demise are exaggarated, this sort of stuff is exaggarated too. They have been making so little money lately, any increase is going to seem big.
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Increase is an increase is an increase which is positive
Is better than going down which they were. Period
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Increase is an increase is an increase which is positive
Is better than going down which they were. Period.
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They generated 37% less revenue this April than last April. How is that an increase or positive? For HTC to prove their viability they need to stop the declines (revenue, profit, margin, market share) that they've been experiencing every quarter since 2010. Even if they hit their Q2 numbers they will still be 30% off of last year which is yet another in a series of YOY declines. Not only that, smartphones as a percentage of handsets sold has increased which means that even selling the same number of devices as last year is actually a decline because the size of the market (and HTC's competitors sales) have actually grown.
They've lost market share in every market except the U.S. where they achieved a 0.7% gain. And that gain was on the back of the DNA which was the first 1080P smartphone in the world being sold on America's largest wireless carrier with no new phones on the market that it was competing against. Verizon (the largest carrier in the U.S.) isn't selling the One. Samsung's set up "experience" stores within the largest electronics retailer in the U.S. to push the SGS4 which is available on seven U.S. carriers while the One's available on three. So with the rest of the world slipping in market share any chance of gains in the U.S. are pretty hard to imagine based on the limited distribution of the One and Samsung's bigger reach and marketing budget. HTC has said its future rides on two things: 1) the success of the One, and 2) penetrating China. Both (based on numbers released by HTC) are underperforming expectations. So in spite of the One HTC will be down YOY in 2013 in revenue, profit, margin, and market share. What does it mean? Who knows. HTC's been performing the same way (consistent declines in all metrics) since 2010 and they're still here.
Taiwan's HTC Corp. maintained a 3.1 percent share of the global smartphone market in the first quarter, as its share gains in North America were offset by losses in other regions, according to U.S. brokerage Morgan Stanley. The brokerage firm said HTC's market share rose slightly to 4.2 percent in the quarter in North America from 3.5 percent in the fourth quarter of last year, thanks to the launch of the 5-inch HTC Droid DNA phone, which went on sale in November through U.S. carrier Verizon Wireless. But the company was not able to drive up its global market share, given ongoing share losses in the European, the Middle East and African (EMEA) markets and slow progress in the Asia-Pacific region -- especially in China, Morgan Stanley said in a report dated May 3. The report detailed how HTC's market share in the EMEA markets fell to 3.7 percent from 4.2 percent in the fourth quarter, with market share in the Asia-Pacific region shrinking to 2.7 percent from 3 percent. http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305050014.aspx
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Increase is an increase is an increase which is positive
Is better than going down which they were. Period
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If they made 1 $ last month and they make 1.000 $ this month, they'll get a 1.000 % increase, but they'll still go bankrupt. Percentages mean nothing.
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If they made 1 $ last month and they make 1.000 $ this month, they'll get a 1.000 % increase, but they'll still go bankrupt. Percentages mean nothing.
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Here goes another multi billion dollar xda member.......
I never have ever thought earning millions nowadays is leading to bankruptcy.
Ugh! Maybe south pole is now at the top of the planet.
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So I went to the t-mobile store in Seattle, WA. I asked to see the HD2 demo model and they happily obliged. As I began look at all the neat features the HD2 had to offer, the kind rep told me that in about 15 months or so, they will be releasing phones that make the HD2 look obsolete! That made me ponder if I should get a 2-year contract (even more) with the HD2 or go no contract (even more plus). What do you guys suggest?
Also I think in about 15 months, that sounds like when new Windows Phone 7 Series phones are being released that will be using t-mobile's new network broadband speeds of up to 21 mbps!
Hmm, that doesn't phase me, I will still have this device running and I will probably be eligible for an early upgrade.
well in 15 months, when these new phones are released, another rep will be telling you that in 10 months there will be other phones that will make those phones obsolete. the point is, its an endless loop. also, i would google "WP7 cons" and keep those things in mind.
nice.. i'm seattle as well.. i'm gonna get the contract price.. and if a new phone comes out that is comparable to the hd3.. then yea i'll buy it at full price... either way..
i personally think that a phone "lifespan" is about 1 year anyways.. so that info that the rep told you.. was kinda common knowledge....
the way that technology moves forward...ESPECIALLY with mobile phones.. its no surprise if a phone comes out in 6 months that will surpass the hd2...
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So I went to the t-mobile store in Seattle, WA. I asked to see the HD2 demo model and they happily obliged. As I began look at all the neat features the HD2 had to offer, the kind rep told me that in about 15 months or so, they will be releasing phones that make the HD2 look obsolete! That made me ponder if I should get a 2-year contract (even more) with the HD2 or go no contract (even more plus). What do you guys suggest?
Also I think in about 15 months, that sounds like when new Windows Phone 7 Series phones are being released that will be using t-mobile's new network broadband speeds of up to 21 mbps!
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The t-mobile rep was probably just spewing sales fluff out of his mouth. Most of them don't really know anything.
Saying that the HD2 will be obsolete in 15 months is like saying the sky will be blue. I mean, the HD2 makes phones that were released 15 months ago obsolete. Mobile technology is advancing at the rate that PC's were in the late 90's, early 2000's....mostly because mobile technology is right around the level of PC technology in those days.
The point is, obsolescence is a a real quick inevitability when it comes to mobile devices....especially if you're the type to care about having the best technology. This makes a 2 year contract that much bigger of a commitment. T-mobile was wise in pricing the HD2 at 200 bucks for a 2 year contact though. The price is right for me, knowing that in about a year, I'll probably be replacing it to a WP7 capable phone with an AMOLED screen. At that point I wouldn't mind spending 500 or so on a device that will probably last me another 2-3 years....maybe less if I qualify for a partial early upgrade discount.
But it really is something to consider.
No contract price of course.
It's only $450. I may buy it in a week or two after it's released.
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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I'm curious what replies you get, because my upgrade comes up soon.
My first thought would be to hold off until Sprint gets a sweet dual core.
I have an upgrade sitting around that I probably wont use until it goes away and then late this year I get it back with the new premier program (unless my hero takes a crap). I'd be more inclined to go with the shift, though some report it being a little "shift"y with regards to the slider seeming cheap. Any other complaints seem like things you'd adjust to (the volume/power locations). I've been keeping up with their forums a bit and it's still a bit young but seems to be off to a good start on that front. And people report it being fast as hell. If I go back to a slider, which I'm inclined to do, I'd go with the shift. The epic...well, I don't know a lot about it. I did play with one a little and it did seem fast and stable and well put together, but dev info here did get a bit confusing to me. I have quite a bit of practice at all of this, and I probably wouldn't have too many issues actually following the steps, that was just my impression.
I will be sticking with sprint myself as long as they remain cheap...hard to beat a 20% plan/25% equipment discount. I'm not just waiting to upgrade for some dream phone, my hero just works great. Honestly, I'd like to see a portrait slider for android, similar to the dell venue pro.
xda + android + HTC =
http://www.echobykyocera.com/
^Doesn't seem popular to a lot of people but I'm more interested in it than the epic or shift.
I know you might not like this, but I would wait a month after your upgrade is available. In march is CTIA, the event where the Evo was released. And from what I believe and others do too, is that the Evo 2 will be announced then. Most likely dual core, new sense, 2.3, and possibly superlcd from HTC. Honestly I would wait, not like your upgrade is going to expire.
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Honestly I would wait, not like your upgrade is going to expire.
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But there is Sprint's new TOS for Silver vs Gold Premier service that takes affect April 1.
From what I'm reading throughout the internet is that existing Premier customers (like me) that don't qualify for Premier Gold won't be grandfathered in after after April 1. So, since my 12 month Premier happens before April 1, I have to pull the trigger on an upgrade before April 1 or I will loose it after April 1 and have to wait until the 22nd month of my contract. Even the Sprint customer service responses that I've read here and there are advising this too. So, I'm not sure what to make of it all.
Also, could this be why we have not seen a lot of new Android goodness on Sprint lately? Sprint could be waiting until after April 1 when the new Premier goes into affect before releasing a lot of new smart phones so that they don't get saturated with current Premier customers wanting to upgrade under the present 12 month rule.
Update: Here's a link to the Sprint TOS page about the upgrade impact. I definitely loose it after April 1. Read the question about, 'How is my upgrade eligibility impacted?' for all the details.
Except for the Nexus S, there is no reason to buy Samsung at all.
He seems to be correct about the new tos from sprint... I spoke to them on the phone about it they are getting rid of there og sprint premier program software one upgrade every year to the industry standard of once every two years. Ill call and ask again whether or not the upgrade rolls over but from the sound of it it doesn't. Grr. I have a soft spot for HTC as I've been using there fine phones since Samsung was even in the market. My first HTC was the P4350, winmo 5 I believe it was. Either way I need to figure out what to do within the next month here.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
Considering the 2.2 Epic update FINALLY just hit, and then was subsequently pulled within a day or two, should tell you something.
I was in the Sprint store the other day and everyone but one sales person had great things to say about the shift. Nobody liked the epic as much.
I have owned two samsungs, the moment and instinkt. Now I am a full blown hero addict. HTC is where it's at!
I've had my upgrade available since august but been waiting for something dual core love. Does anyone here think if I up grade now I will still be able to upgrade again in August. Before you were able to upgrade every year for the main phone on a family plan but after 2 years you were able to upgrade all the phones. My 2 year cycle is comes up in august.
And one more thing. With all the drama with Sprint's 4G network provided by Clearwire and Clearwire's big money problems, it may be that Sprint doesn't want to bring anymore phones via Clearwire's 4G service to the market since Sprint will probably have to switch to LTE.
So, there's another dilemma to add to the equation. I'll be getting a 4G capable phone and be charged an extra $10 for whatever, but 4G may not even exist during the entire 22 months of the new contract...drama, drama, drama...
So if we wait after 4/1 to upgrade would our upgrade default to half the full discount. Cause that's what I think I'm gonna do.
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I've had my upgrade available since august but been waiting for something dual core love. Does anyone here think if I up grade now I will still be able to upgrade again in August. Before you were able to upgrade every year for the main phone on a family plan but after 2 years you were able to upgrade all the phones. My 2 year cycle is comes up in august.
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You get your upgrade a year (well, two years) after you use it. Shouldn't of sat on it for so long..
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You get your upgrade a year (well, two years) after you use it. Shouldn't of sat on it for so long..
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What should have he got? Sprint is falling behind in the new era of dual core phones. Yes I know that the Evo2 will probably be dual core but, I GUARANTEE it wont be out before 4/1/11. So my upgrade will be lost on April Fools day, and ill get the Evo2 12/28/11.
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I just got the shift recently coming from a hero and would recommend this phone. My friend has a sammy epic and its a great phone but the quality is a little lacking. It just feels plasticky... I heard the epics actually run better for game emulation and such which has something to do with the achitechture.
The shift has been great tho. Its a good form factor and has a really nice keyboard. I've has a sidekick a mogal and a touch pro before going to the hero so I've has my fair share to keyboards to say that its a good keyboard. Very solid and sturdy. The phone is very snappy. I was running aosp 2.2 on the hero and thought it was pretty snappy but the shift blows it away even with sense. Still waiting for an aosp rom for this phone.
Enough with the rant... get the shift... haha
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Shift +1
I was in the same boat, I was really interested in the kyocera phone, but saw that no matter what Sprint was going to charge $10/month for a premium phone, so I figured might as well go with a 4g phone in the off chance that my area gets included in the next year. I settled on the Evo Shift, for 2 reasons, one I don't really play intense 3D games on my phone, so I didn't need the extra graphics addition, and two I know the development for the Shift will be good as more people start to move away from the Hero and Evo they will more likely go to the Shift then the Epic being familiar with HTC.
Some pleasant surprises, the stock Shift has amazing battery life when compared to the Hero. I can't imagine the Epic with any better battery life, with a bigger screen and more graphics horse power eating away. Rooting the Shift was very easy, not Unrevoked easy but still 20 minutes easy. The shift is being over clocked to 1.5 Ghz and still very stable. Development is taking off especially since the end of January.
I stopped by a Sprint store a few weeks ago when they changed my premier status.
They said once you earn an upgrade they won't take it away. Call customer service to verify but I'm 99% certain come April 1 we will all still have our upgrades (mine just hit today) and will be able to look forward to something coming out in May/June that will have been WELL worth the wait.
Just upgrade your Hero to GB and ride it out. At least wait for CTIA...if nothing drops by then go get your EVO. You're going to hate yourself if you get an EVO Shift tomorrow and the EVO II gets announced in 3 weeks.
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I stopped by a Sprint store a few weeks ago when they changed my premier status.
They said once you earn an upgrade they won't take it away. Call customer service to verify but I'm 99% certain come April 1 we will all still have our upgrades (mine just hit today) and will be able to look forward to something coming out in May/June that will have been WELL worth the wait.
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I'm sorry that you actually believed that. Read it for yourself. If I'm not paying for the $89.99 plan come April 1 because I'm on the $69.99 everything plan, then Sprint says I loose the 12 month premier refresh until the 22nd month of the existing contract. This is from Sprint's Premier Update questions web site;
Q:How is my upgrade eligibility impacted?
Effective 4/1/11:
Sprint Premier Gold accounts will continue to receive the annual upgrade benefit based on maintaining a 3-month average of $89.99* for individual plans or $169.99 for shared plans, or for 10+ years service. Gold accounts will receive one annual upgrade per qualifying plan.
Sprint Premier Silver accounts:
If the line qualifying for an annual upgrade is 22 months from the last upgrade, there is no impact. The line would continue to be eligible for an upgrade under Sprint's New For You upgrade program, which allows eligible customers to upgrade every 22 months.
If the line qualifying for an annual upgrade is 12-21 months from the last upgrade, the upgrade must be used by March, 31, 2011. Otherwise, effective April 1, 2011, the upgrade eligibility on that line will be changed to 22 months.
If the line qualifying for an annual upgrade is less than 12 months from the last upgrade, their upgrade eligibility will be changed to 22 months.
To check your upgrade eligibility go to www.sprint.com/upgrade.
*3-month average includes base rate plans only. Add-on services do not qualify. The average is figured per plan before any discounts are applied. Additional lines on shared plans or multiple plans on the same account do not count toward the minimum spending requirement.
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I'm sorry that you actually believed that. Read it for yourself. If I'm not paying for the $89.99 plan come April 1 because I'm on the $69.99 everything plan, then Sprint says I loose the 12 month premier refresh until the 22nd month of the existing contract. This is from Sprint's Premier Update questions web site;
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Wow. This sucks. Thanks for the info. Guess I'll go get my EVO today...
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG
Motorola released earnings today...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/28/mot...xoom-tablets-shipped-increase-in-net-revenue/
Glad to see the analysts were wrong. If Moto shaves a little off the price is think they'll fly off the shelves.
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ya, 450-500 would really compete with the transformer, esp when all the people get to best buy and see its sold out
DroidHam said:
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG
Motorola released earnings today...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/28/mot...xoom-tablets-shipped-increase-in-net-revenue/
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Actually you are wrong. They shipped 250,000, they did not sell 250,000.
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Actually you are wrong. They shipped 250,000, they did not sell 250,000.
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Actually, that's money in their pocket, they sold 250k. Verizon and brick and mortars are the ones who haven't sold 250k.
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Actually you are wrong. They shipped 250,000, they did not sell 250,000.
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You don't quite understand the concept as it applied to a public company releasing quarterly results. Why are you so intent on pooping on these threads? Does it piss you off so much that xoom sales weren't as bad as the apple slavelords demanded you to believe?
Glad to see the numbers reflect reality. The wifi xoom is sold out in retail stores here in st. Louis. Had to order it online
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seriously, shipped or sold, every store in Montréal has sold all xooms and accessories since day one...
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You don't quite understand the concept as it applied to a public company releasing quarterly results. Why are you so intent on pooping on these threads? Does it piss you off so much that xoom sales weren't as bad as the apple slavelords demanded you to believe?
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I don't think you need to have an "apple slavelord" to see that the article that the OP linked to says in the TITLE that:
"Motorola Reports 250,000 XOOM Tablets Shipped"
and then the OP creates a thread that says:
"250,000 Xooms sold, NOT 25,000
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG"
Its called reading comprehension. And yes there is a major difference between shipped and sold. If Motorola SOLD 250k tablets, then there would be significantly more in stores ready to be sold and various retailers would have to adjust their purchase orders from Motorola to compensate for that demand. If they SHIPPED 250k tablets, stores might have only sold 100k meaning that future orders for new Xoom's from Motorola will be slower as retailers have overstocked the item and can shift inventory from one location to another to compensate. That is why there are two separate words and they are not interchangeable.
Also, the entire point of this thread and especially dumb comments like yours, is to prove that the Xoom is popular among consumers. This article does nothing to help prove that point, as it gives ZERO sales figures. Who cares if Motorola shipped 5 million Xooms if consumers only bought 50 of them. I don't really understand why you would even want to bring up an issue like this as you will never "win" against Apple and the entire conversation is stupid to begin with. Who cares how popular your device is among consumers?
I have no doubts that Xoom sales are good, but they are right. They shipped 250,000 units, that doesn't mean that 250,000 were sold to consumers--which is the important number to note.
Again, no doubts that Xoom sales are great, but jumping on a guy who is just pointing out a fact, calling him an Apple fanboy, etc, really not necessary.
Random comment to help re-leave the tension: Tomorrow's sales are yesterday's sales today.
To be honest, why do we care how many sell? It's not like Motorola will stop supporting the
Xoom if nobdoy buys more. Still it's nice to know they had some sort of confidence in this device.
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To be honest, why do we care how many sell? It's not like Motorola will stop supporting the
Xoom if nobdoy buys more. Still it's nice to know they had some sort of confidence in this device.
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People like to justify their Xoom purchase. They wanna prove its selling well and that their purchase was good. They wanna know that everything's gonna be okay with their Xoom, so they're going to want to prove that other people are buying it too.
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I don't think you need to have an "apple slavelord" to see that the article that the OP linked to says in the TITLE that:
"Motorola Reports 250,000 XOOM Tablets Shipped"
and then the OP creates a thread that says:
"250,000 Xooms sold, NOT 25,000
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG"
Its called reading comprehension. And yes there is a major difference between shipped and sold. If Motorola SOLD 250k tablets, then there would be significantly more in stores ready to be sold and various retailers would have to adjust their purchase orders from Motorola to compensate for that demand. If they SHIPPED 250k tablets, stores might have only sold 100k meaning that future orders for new Xoom's from Motorola will be slower as retailers have overstocked the item and can shift inventory from one location to another to compensate. That is why there are two separate words and they are not interchangeable.
Also, the entire point of this thread and especially dumb comments like yours, is to prove that the Xoom is popular among consumers. This article does nothing to help prove that point, as it gives ZERO sales figures. Who cares if Motorola shipped 5 million Xooms if consumers only bought 50 of them. I don't really understand why you would even want to bring up an issue like this as you will never "win" against Apple and the entire conversation is stupid to begin with. Who cares how popular your device is among consumers?
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They technically are sales figures for motorola, but they are not sales figures for verizon, costco, and any of the other countless retailers out there. At no point did the person you respond to say anything about apple, all he said were that people claiming only 25k had been sold were inaccurate, and he is right. This does in fact prove that the xoom has sold better than expected because those retailers don't keep that many units sitting in storage, and they certainly wouldn't keep ordering the tablet if it wasn't selling. I know for a fact that the tablet was fairly popular simply because they sold out in all the retail locations near me. I had to drive nearly an hour and half away just to find a best buy that had them in stock. This was the second week the xoom was out. Anyway you can get all bent out of shape if you want but the xoom was not as big as a flop as you seem to want it to be.
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Motorola ships 250k to vendors = sales for Motorola, no?
The link was regarding Motorola's sales, which were 250,000. "Shipping them to vendors" is the same as selling them.
I never once talked about how many best buy, walmart, or any other store sold.
I said they shipped 250k, which means they sold 250k.
Did I miss something here? Why is this hard to comprehend?
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Motorola ships 250k to vendors = sales for Motorola, no?
The link was regarding Motorola's sales, which were 250,000. "Shipping them to vendors" is the same as selling them.
I never once talked about how many best buy, walmart, or any other store sold.
I said they shipped 250k, which means they sold 250k.
Did I miss something here? Why is this hard to comprehend?
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Some people just don't understand how a supply chain works, especially a J.I.T. one (typically what the US has is J.I.T.)
JIT = Just In Time. Most if not all any more, Major Retailers work off Just In Time, meaning the only stock they truly carry in store is what is sitting on the shelves, or what is soon to be on the shelves. This also means a stores warehouses, are nothing more than emptying Tucks A, B, C and D's contents into trucks E,F,G, and H. There is no physical inventory of anything, it is almost literally straight from manufacturer to sales floor.
JIT does several things:
1) In the event of an issue with a product (recall), the retailer has a very limited inventory to rope in.
2) Reduces Cost
3) Reduces storage space (See #2)
4) Reduces the volume a store actually purchases at one time (Again see #2, less items in the clearance bin) This also makes their financial figures looks a ton better due to the lower over head.
Motorola doesn't front the product to the retailers and say "Hey, pay me when you sell all these" - no, they have to recoup production cost - which means they probably have a net15-net30 contract with most retailers (meaning, 15-30 days to pay or your cut off the supply flow) regardless of how many units the retailer actually sold.
Now it is true that we don't know how many of these are in the hands of customers actually being used. Only Big G and Moto probably have any clue about that number. I would venture to guess, because retail stores don't keep "Stock" piled in the back - most of them are in the hands of customers.
I work at a retailer and that is generally correct. You only want enough stock to get you through until the next shipment, ideally. There are times you load up, when demand is expected to be high and the manufacturer has had issues keeping the supply chan full-looks at nintendo.
You certainly don't want to have a lot of an unpopular product so when sales are unknown you go conservative. Our you end up like the nintendo 3ds in the us. It should have sold well, did not and now you have a crap ton of these things you can't give away.
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Our you end up like the nintendo 3ds in the us. It should have sold well, did not and now you have a crap ton of these things you can't give away.
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I would take one for 1/4 the price....#justSayin
Silly Nintendo
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I don't think you need to have an "apple slavelord" to see that the article that the OP linked to says in the TITLE that:
"Motorola Reports 250,000 XOOM Tablets Shipped"
and then the OP creates a thread that says:
"250,000 Xooms sold, NOT 25,000
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG"
Its called reading comprehension. And yes there is a major difference between shipped and sold. If Motorola SOLD 250k tablets, then there would be significantly more in stores ready to be sold and various retailers would have to adjust their purchase orders from Motorola to compensate for that demand. If they SHIPPED 250k tablets, stores might have only sold 100k meaning that future orders for new Xoom's from Motorola will be slower as retailers have overstocked the item and can shift inventory from one location to another to compensate. That is why there are two separate words and they are not interchangeable.
Also, the entire point of this thread and especially dumb comments like yours, is to prove that the Xoom is popular among consumers. This article does nothing to help prove that point, as it gives ZERO sales figures. Who cares if Motorola shipped 5 million Xooms if consumers only bought 50 of them. I don't really understand why you would even want to bring up an issue like this as you will never "win" against Apple and the entire conversation is stupid to begin with. Who cares how popular your device is among consumers?
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Actually, to add a bit of circumstantial evidence, which I'm aware doesn't mean much, there are a lot of people that know what the Xoom is. I have my Xoom with me at all times, it's my data device, I got rid of my Droid and moved to a dumbphone. Anyways, everywhere I go, people recognize instantly it's not an iPad and usually ask me if it's a Xoom. People are actually interested in it and I've had many chances to demonstrate it's capabilities to people. There's a lot of interest, even if it doesn't translate directly to sales yet. I feel like the attention I get with my Xoom is likened to the attention the early adopters of the iPad got.
Also, you've not addressed my previous post.
The problem is, he didn't just state it in this thread, he stated it in the thread I started before earnings were released.
And it isn't about reading comprehension. It is about understanding how a public company reports. Apple gets to say that they sold every i-whatever that was shipped to an app,e store because apple gets to control how an apple store reports what it is selling. Motorola does not get to control what best buy states, as they are separate companies. Best buy will not allow motorola to ship more xooms than best buy is able to sell unless best buy is able to ship back unsold inventory. Motorola is a tier one producer, and it will not enter into retail agreements that are contingent on mass adoption - they don't need to.
When motorola ships a product, it is a sale for motorola. When the entity motorola shipped to agreed to the shipment, it is because that entity has projected the entire inventory to be sold at some point in the very near future.
Motorola is precluded by FINRA from overstating sales figures in quarterly reports. Motorola cannot count shipped units as sold if the inventory shipped is not sold or accounted for as sold. If moto says shipped, consider it as sold. And while I doubt you will take my word as gospel, just know that my job in the real world depends upon my ability to understand what a company is saying in quarterly reports.
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I've read this on several sites including HTC's. All that have pre-ordered and planned on having a spanking new EVO on the 18th will be waiting a little longer it looks like.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...d-up-over-apple-dispute/?tag=mncol;topStories
There is already one shipment on US soil and in sprints warehouses for shipping. That would affect anyone who's order which is backordered due to there not being enough supply. Especially the one x in particular as its already available at at&t and has been for a while now around a month atleast I'm not sure I haven't kept up with it too much, I'm boycotting HTC til they stop forking around with their halfass htcdev unlock crap they have pulled and then blamed on "security" and/or the carriers. so far my only plans for upgrades for 2 of my 3 lines are the LG eclipse 4g LTE and the next nexus that will be announced this fall, line 3 is up in the air between the Evo 4g LTE and SGS3 depending on HTCs exploitability and the real world performance of both devices.
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There is already one shipment on US soil and in sprints warehouses for shipping. That would affect anyone who's order which is backordered due to there not being enough supply. Especially the one x in particular as its already available at at&t and has been for a while now around a month atleast I'm not sure I haven't kept up with it too much, I'm boycotting HTC til they stop forking around with their halfass htcdev unlock crap they have pulled and then blamed on "security" and/or the carriers. so far my only plans for upgrades for 2 of my 3 lines are the LG eclipse 4g LTE and the next nexus that will be announced this fall, line 3 is up in the air between the Evo 4g LTE and SGS3 depending on HTCs exploitability and the real world performance of both devices.
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Even though there are handsets here right now the injunction could stop the sale and distribution of these phones including the the pre-orders. It's happened before it can happen again.
Apple is always filing frivolous lawsuits trying to jam android up, the international trade commission has no authority over devices already on US soil so they can only hold up what's still in customs or in transit to the US. Devices that are already paid for and already on sprints warehouses waiting shipping to customers shouldn't be affected since there is no judicial order preventing them from shipping and unless there's an 11th hour order pushed through there's no time to get one in place because preordered devices will be shipping starting Thursday, so basically anything already past customs is clear for now. Apple if you hold your tongue and say their name gives you the real pronunciation
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I blame Apple
Steve Jobs owns an Android. But hates us for not having iPhones to =p
and stupid apple.. They CLAIM that they have patent to our stock texting app and stock browser. F**K NO! They don't look even slightly similar! and US Customs decide to hold the shipment??? W T F.
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There is already one shipment on US soil and in sprints warehouses for shipping. That would affect anyone who's order which is backordered due to there not being enough supply. Especially the one x in particular as its already available at at&t and has been for a while now around a month atleast I'm not sure I haven't kept up with it too much, I'm boycotting HTC til they stop forking around with their halfass htcdev unlock crap they have pulled and then blamed on "security" and/or the carriers. so far my only plans for upgrades for 2 of my 3 lines are the LG eclipse 4g LTE and the next nexus that will be announced this fall, line 3 is up in the air between the Evo 4g LTE and SGS3 depending on HTCs exploitability and the real world performance of both devices.
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The launch of the phone and preorders have been delayed with no ETA.
With the Nexus 6 being sold in alot more stores & carriers this time around, than past Nexus smartphones anybody think that the price will come down pretty quickly after the New Year.
Being a big Phablet popularity after the new year will probably dwindle, once the geeks and tech heads have got theirs the general public will probably think it just to big.
Then there the case of 2015 smartphones which will all be running either the Snapdragon 64bit 808 or 810 and will come with either 3 or 4GB of ram & smaller QHD screens.
The Nexus 6 on the Play Store will continue at the price it is now for the rest of the year, while the stores will probably drop the price significantly just to shift stock.
I wouldn't be surprised come March or April next year that the price of the 32Gb Nexus 6 is around 350 dollar,pound ect mark pending on which country your from.
What do you think?
I don't know how you expect the price to drop by as much as half.
At 350$ the nexus 5 is actually still a good phone. And the nexus 6 competes very well against phones in 700$ range.
Most carrier will just discount the price on contracts because they still make money. The price of buying outright usually never change especially less than a year after launch.
You have to remember that the reason google launched a premium 700$ nexus device was to show that google wasn't going to undercut other manufactures for the android silver program.
For those who aren't aware android silver the the program similar to gpe and android one where manufacture phones run stock android. The biggest reason that the manufactures didn't want to participate was that they couldn't differiante them selves enough if all the devices were running stock and if google had launched the nexus 6 at a 350$ price then Google would just cannabilze the market.
You have to remember that google has no reason to lower prices of nexus 6 and carrier only give people bigger discounts on phones for signing contracts.
Msrp doesn't change so the price of the phone won't. Yes you'll see maybe sales 100$ less within the year but that's a standard trend. Google probably charges 600$ to the retailers why would they sell it for anyless, they are a business not charity
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I don't recall Google lowering prices of their phones at all or by much.
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I can see them lowering it a Benjamin in 6-8 months I don't think that's out of the question
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I don't recall Google lowering prices of their phones at all or by much.
Ian B
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The only time that they reduced the price was N4, http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-price-drops-by-100-199-for-8gb-249-for-16gb/
But yeah Google doesn't really bring any of the prices down. If anything, the carriers would for prices on contract.
I doubt the GPS price will change much, if at all. But it'll definitely become cheaper on places like eBay much more rapidly than previous Nexus devices now that it's sold on contract. It most likely won't be immune from the occasional carrier promotion or price reduction either once it ages a bit.
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...while the stores will probably drop the price significantly just to shift stock.
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LOL...What stock?