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So I ordered my 16gb Note 10.1 last week and went and picked it up yesterday afternoon. I opened the box at the store to check the "body" of the device to make sure it wasn't split along the sides and no odd creaking or anything. Everything looked good.
I get it home and discover that there's no S-Pen. It's not in the box, not in the back of the device, nowhere to be found.
The unit shipped directly from Samsung. I called the store and they said I could return it, and they'd order another one if I wanted or I could have my money back. The other option was that I could call Samsung directly and give them the low down and have them send me another S-Pen.
I chose to call Samsung and they apologized and said they'd send out an S-Pen right away. Sounds good, except that it's going to take 7 - 14 working days to arrive! Really?!?!?!
I specifically bought the Note 10.1 FOR the S-Pen and note taking capabilities. I am involved with multiple activities (my job included) that require me to take notes. This is a significant problem for me.
Yes, I know I can just buy a stylus and wait it out but it irritates me that the unit got shipped without one of the "selling-points" of the product. I understand they can't QA every single unit but come on, a CORE part of the device not being included? Really?!
Okay, I'm done ranting now.
I really like the unit and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, ONCE I get the S-Pen!
Buzz
You are missing the whole thing. lol it is all about the S-Pen.
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buzznode said:
So I ordered my 16gb Note 10.1 last week and went and picked it up yesterday afternoon. I opened the box at the store to check the "body" of the device to make sure it wasn't split along the sides and no odd creaking or anything. Everything looked good.
I get it home and discover that there's no S-Pen. It's not in the box, not in the back of the device, nowhere to be found.
The unit shipped directly from Samsung. I called the store and they said I could return it, and they'd order another one if I wanted or I could have my money back. The other option was that I could call Samsung directly and give them the low down and have them send me another S-Pen.
I chose to call Samsung and they apologized and said they'd send out an S-Pen right away. Sounds good, except that it's going to take 7 - 14 working days to arrive! Really?!?!?!
I specifically bought the Note 10.1 FOR the S-Pen and note taking capabilities. I am involved with multiple activities (my job included) that require me to take notes. This is a significant problem for me.
Yes, I know I can just buy a stylus and wait it out but it irritates me that the unit got shipped without one of the "selling-points" of the product. I understand they can't QA every single unit but come on, a CORE part of the device not being included? Really?!
Okay, I'm done ranting now.
I really like the unit and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, ONCE I get the S-Pen!
Buzz
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So I'm curious. If your job and activities require all this what we're you doing before you got your note? Under performing?
Not saying it's not messed up you didn't get a pen, but if you've been doing your all your job functions and activities for X time before you had a note I'm sure you'll survive another 5-7 days.
I got a note that when I pulled the pen out the little plastic tension piece inside the slot came out and then the pen would fall out if it was in the holder. Shoulda made Samsung ship it overnight.
Well THAT would irritate me too, since it´s not a 299.- $ device.
Even if they sell 20 million devices no single one with faults should pass QC.
I bought 1 SII, two SIII, 1 Note, 2 Note 10.1´s and they came all PERFECT, no broken seals, no creaking, no scratches, mechanically and by the hardware in perfect function and no faults by the software (never ever had one single firmware related crash or update probs out of the box with no single Sammy device)
In mobile electronics a defect rate of 5% or below is considered outstanding performance. The missing S-Pen is bad QC as it obviously shouldn't have shipped without it. But to put it in perspective, Samsung's sold 30MM SGS3's so it would be excellent if no more than 1.5MM had a defect. Someone who got one of the 1.5MM probably would disagree.
Is it a HUGE deal? No. Is it going to prevent me from doing my job? No. I can use pen & paper like I've been doing or I can go buy a 3rd party stylus. It's more of a convenience thing AND the fact that it SHOULD have been packaged with it. By my counting on / planning on / looking forward to being able to use the device, it just made it more of an irritation.
I completely agree that 5% being "jacked up" (hardware, software, defects, missing parts, etc) is acceptable. It would have just been better if someone else experienced the 5%.
As for Samsung products in general, never had an issue with them before. Home theater equipment, cell phones, etc.
Sorry, you're within the 5%.
The opinion that Samsung is solid in all their mobile devices is not correct at all. I also have a Samsung 7 Series slate and this thing came with its screen lifted big time as soon as I took it from the box. Getting it fixed by them was a [email protected], and this was not an isolated case. If you go to TabletPCReview.com, you'll notice that around 35% of all these slates came with the screen defected. I was in that big margin.
Being inside an even smaller margin should feel really crappy...
Now, for a solution, these tablets work with any WACOM pen, so if you have one for any other tablet or convertible then that should work flawlessly. It will no feel as nice as the one that comes with the tablet (as this one has a rubber tip and all others I know come with a hard one) but it should work the same way.
Ron
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Now, for a solution, these tablets work with any WACOM pen
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There's another solution. Many Best Buy stores stock the replacment pen. You can buy one there and keep it as a spare or return it when your missing one arrives.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...p03-14?id=1218734648372&skuId=6329995&st=note 10.1 stylus&cp=1&lp=1
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Now, for a solution, these tablets work with any WACOM pen, so if you have one for any other tablet or convertible then that should work flawlessly. It will no feel as nice as the one that comes with the tablet (as this one has a rubber tip and all others I know come with a hard one) but it should work the same way.
Ron
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That is incorrect. There may be some Wacom pens which work with the GNote 10.1 but not all. I have an Intuos 3 and the pen for it will not work on my GNote 10.1 it has no effect what so ever. With that said you can use your finger. It is surprising how presice you can be on the GNote 10.1 with your finger.
Yeah, if there was a big hole on the bottom right of my tablet where the s-pen is stored, I'd be annoyed too.
sadly, it's all academic now... my kayscase flip case really doesn't allow me to get to it, muchless see it.
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That is incorrect. There may be some Wacom pens which work with the GNote 10.1 but not all. I have an Intuos 3 and the pen for it will not work on my GNote 10.1 it has no effect what so ever. With that said you can use your finger. It is surprising how presice you can be on the GNote 10.1 with your finger.
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I've heard indeed of some intuos and bamboo series pens not working on WACOM enabled screens. But I was referring to those that come with other tablets or convertible PCs. I've heard around that the intuos 5 pens work. I have a lil babmoo touch tablet and it doesn't work at all too.
In my last two weeks of ownership I've probably only used the pen less than 10 minutes and still love the tablet!
troed said:
well that would irritate me too, since it´s not a 299.- $ device.
Even if they sell 20 million devices no single one with faults should pass qc.
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what faults?
troed said:
Even if they sell 20 million devices no single one with faults should pass QC.
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Get a grip. That doesn't exist for any product manufactured anywhere.
Hello so today i realized that a digitizer pen from a lenovo thinkpad yoga 12 actually works exactly as an spen on our note device.
You may wonder why is this important well the lenovo thinkpad pen is just a regular digitizer pen. So im guessing that ANY digitizer pen will work with our device. In case anyone is looking for a bigger or heavier pen. Try searching digitizer pen...
Here is a video. Sorry for the quality i filmed it on the thinkpad and i accidentally covered the mic but it just shows that it has the same functions as samsung spen
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f6alxjb1571ja5m/WIN_20150919_231518.MP4?dl=0
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i've tried my N3 S-Pen when I first got my N5. it doesn't work as well. it seems more sensitive to the N5 S-Pen and is more precise - I can draw more finer lines.
how's your thinkpad pen with it?
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So im guessing that ANY digitizer pen will work with our device. In case anyone is looking for a bigger or heavier pen. Try searching digitizer pen...
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It's not a guess, it's true. Samsung licenses Wacom technology for the Note-series. But there's a big but. People who've used Wacom branded stylus' with the Note have had offset issues. Something's different with the Note 5's digitizer and/or stylus too. The two full-size Samsung S Pens I have aren't nearly as sensitive on the Note 5 as they are on my Note 12 and were on my Note 4. They're no where near as sensitive as the included stylus either. In theory any active stylus should work on the Note(s) but in practice that's not the case. So if you're experimenting buy from some place with a liberal return policy.
Wacom stylus & digitizers over LCD screens are a lot older than the Galaxy Note series.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacom_(company)
My note 3 s pen seemed identical in using to draw on the note 5 screen...
Used my Surface Pro 3 Pen on the N5 as well as the other way around with the same experience on both devices.
I do agree that is not as sensitive. I had to put a slight force in order to work sometimes.
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This isn't a new discovery, expecially if you have been with the note line since the OG Note.
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It's not a guess, it's true. Samsung licenses Wacom technology for the Note-series. But there's a big but. People who've used Wacom branded stylus' with the Note have had offset issues. Something's different with the Note 5's digitizer and/or stylus too. The two full-size Samsung S Pens I have aren't nearly as sensitive on the Note 5 as they are on my Note 12 and were on my Note 4. They're no where near as sensitive as the included stylus either. In theory any active stylus should work on the Note(s) but in practice that's not the case. So if you're experimenting buy from some place with a liberal return policy.
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Samsung owns Wacom.
No, Samsung has some 20% share in wacom
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Hello,
I have a SM-T580 and I wonder if it's possible to use it with S-pen or another fine tip pen?
The SM-T580 and the SM-P580 have the same hardware, flasher the SM-T580 with the firmware SM-P580 could work?
Actually, the hardware isn't the same. The S-Pen version comes with 1GB more RAM, and I tried to use the S-Pen from a P-580 on a T-580, without luck :|
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Actually, the hardware isn't the same. The S-Pen version comes with 1GB more RAM, and I tried to use the S-Pen from a P-580 on a T-580, without luck :|
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Thank's
The difference in RAM also exists between the SM-t550 and the SM-P550.
I do not think that the amount of RAM affects the S-PEn, or there is another hardware element that allows the use of the S-pen or it is only a software difference
The S-Pen from P-580 will not work on T-580 because it does not have the Wacom stylus technology in it however it will on any Galaxy Note smartphones. If you need the best stylus pen, you should buy the Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S pen or wait for the new Galaxy Tab S3 with S pen to come out.
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The S-Pen from P-580 will not work on T-580 because it does not have the Wacom stylus technology in it however it will on any Galaxy Note smartphones. If you need the best stylus pen, you should buy the Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S pen or wait for the new Galaxy Tab S3 with S pen to come out.
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So the Wacom stylus technology is not just software ?
qsd88 said:
So the Wacom stylus technology is not just software ?
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Correct, there probably a sensor chip that allows u to use the stylus.
qsd88 said:
So the Wacom stylus technology is not just software ?
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No, it is a detection layer that covers the entire screen (transparent, like the capacitive layer that detects finger touches).
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Actually, the hardware isn't the same. The S-Pen version comes with 1GB more RAM, and I tried to use the S-Pen from a P-580 on a T-580, without luck :|
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There is a much bigger difference than the size of the RAM. Tablets equipped with S-Pen have a special mesh screen behind the LCD screen to detect the pen's position. The T580 doesn't have that screen like the Galaxy Note tablets or some iPad models do. So, no, a fine tipped electronic stylus will NOT work with one.
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Hello,
I have a SM-T580 and I wonder if it's possible to use it with S-pen or another fine tip pen?
The SM-T580 and the SM-P580 have the same hardware, flasher the SM-T580 with the firmware SM-P580 could work?
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Read this article to understand how the S-Pen work, then you should not expect the S-Pen to work with no S pen tablet.
http://www.androidauthority.com/break-it-down-how-does-the-s-pen-work-154435/
SM-P580 and SM-T580 almost identical except S Pen, however the firmware is not interchangeable.
Try it, Odin will fail immediately as it detect wrong firmware.
Bashar B. NAJJAR- Senior Quality Engineer- ABB
Well NONE of the answers were able to tell what to do with a SAMSUNG tab that is NOT equipped with a stylus pen by default, in order to handwrite on it.
So the question might be, if someone by mistake bought a SAMSUNG tab like SM-T585 assuming that it should be interactive with any available stylus SAMSUNG pen, then what is the model of the Stylus Pen from SAMSUNG or any other brandnames that might be compatible with his selection.
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Well NONE of the answers were able to tell what to do with a SAMSUNG tab that is NOT equipped with a stylus pen by default, in order to handwrite on it.
So the question might be, if someone by mistake bought a SAMSUNG tab like SM-T585 assuming that it should be interactive with any available stylus SAMSUNG pen, then what is the model of the Stylus Pen from SAMSUNG or any other brandnames that might be compatible with his selection.
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How you use the pen when tablet's LCD is not designed for it ? You cannot expect a gasoline car can run by both battery and fuel like a hybrid one.
An electromagnetic field is generated from a circuit behind the screen. The S Pen picks this up and uses it to power itself and figure out its position relative to the screen. It sends this, along with information from the S Pen button and the nib at the end, back to the Note.
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Well NONE of the answers were able to tell what to do with a SAMSUNG tab that is NOT equipped with a stylus pen by default, in order to handwrite on it.
So the question might be, if someone by mistake bought a SAMSUNG tab like SM-T585 assuming that it should be interactive with any available stylus SAMSUNG pen, then what is the model of the Stylus Pen from SAMSUNG or any other brandnames that might be compatible with his selection.
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Very simple answer to what he can do, trade the tablet in on one that has the HARDWARE necessary to detect an S Pen. There IS NO stylus that will work with any "T" model tablet that will produce fine enough lines for "handwriting".
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hello,
i have a sm-t580 and i wonder if it's possible to use it with s-pen or another fine tip pen?
The sm-t580 and the sm-p580 have the same hardware, flasher the sm-t580 with the firmware sm-p580 could work?
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the samsung universal stylus should work perfectly with this model .
Oem stylus touch screen pen for galaxy tab a 10.1 (2016) p580 & p585 {in compatibility it had the model letter t in front of the 580/585 . Running at au$10.49 on ebay right now .
The day i got my tab i was comfortably using a cheap arse "papermate inkjoy stylus" . Was old and the nub was deteriorated so i upgraded .
If you have any issues with any s pen download an app called write on pdf and it should solve compatibility .
There's the answer you want mate , all the pretentious c♡nts with their non-answers ? , these other wankers probably work for samsung sales department ???
actually, s pen works on t585.. it doesn`t work on t580 =)
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actually, s pen works on t585.. it doesn`t work on t580 =)
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No it doesn't. The S-Pen only works on Note tablets or on ones with a P instead of a T in the model number. The samsung universal stylus mentioned in the previous post is NOT an S-Pen. Check on eBay and you'll find it is a CAPACITIVE stylus which is NOT the same thing as an S-Pen. The S-Pen is a Wacom electronic stylus that requires a fine mesh screen behind the LCD to detect the pens position. Neither the T580 or T585 contain this hardware.
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the samsung universal stylus should work perfectly with this model .
Oem stylus touch screen pen for galaxy tab a 10.1 (2016) p580 & p585 {in compatibility it had the model letter t in front of the 580/585 . Running at au$10.49 on ebay right now .
The day i got my tab i was comfortably using a cheap arse "papermate inkjoy stylus" . Was old and the nub was deteriorated so i upgraded .
If you have any issues with any s pen download an app called write on pdf and it should solve compatibility .
There's the answer you want mate , all the pretentious c♡nts with their non-answers , these other wankers probably work for samsung sales department
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Sorry mate, but you are totally WRONG!!! Neither the papermate or the samsung universal sylus is an S-Pen replacement. They are both CAPACITIVE touchpens that will never give you the fine lines that an S-Pen will. Calls us all the names you want, but we know what we're talking about. YOU DON'T!!!
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Sorry mate, but you are totally WRONG!!! Neither the papermate or the samsung universal sylus is an S-Pen replacement. They are both CAPACITIVE touchpens that will never give you the fine lines that an S-Pen will. Calls us all the names you want, but we know what we're talking about. YOU DON'T!!!
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Agreed.
T and P versions definitely have different touch screens.
Even if you could run the P firmware on the T version it wouldn't have Spen functionality.
Can you use the S Pen from the S3 tablet on the P585?
I am keen to buy the cheaper tablet but want to get a better feeling pen than the thin S Pen that comes with the P585.
guy is there any bluetooth pen for this tablet, or in general for andorid device, which support a pal rejection mode or something like this? Like an apple pen or huawei m pen
The s-pen on the SM-P580 does everything those other styli do, and does it well. In general, Samsung s-pen has been, for a long time, the best stylus for many people, including me.
And it isn't a bluetooth device, but uses a special detection layer on the screen (not the capacitive layer).
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The s-pen on the SM-P580 does everything those other styli do, and does it well. In general, Samsung s-pen has been, for a long time, the best stylus for many people, including me.
And it isn't a bluetooth device, but uses a special detection layer on the screen (not the capacitive layer).
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I've read online and many people say that the s pen works only with the galaxy tab a 2016 model with s pen include (or galaxy note), in the one without the s pen included will not work.
I can't buy the galaxy tab a 2016 with s pen because I'm from italy and here it is not sold, so I've bought the model T580N WI-FI 16GB without the s pen.
Do you have the s pen and you confirm for me that the pen will work on this model?
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I've read online and many people say that the s pen works only with the galaxy tab a 2016 model with s pen include (or galaxy note), in the one without the s pen included will not work.
I can't buy the galaxy tab a 2016 with s pen because I'm from italy and here it is not sold, so I've bought the model T580N WI-FI 16GB without the s pen.
Do you have the s pen and you confirm for me that the pen will work on this model?
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I do have the s pen (SM-P580), but the T580 you have does not have the required s-pen detection layer on the screen. Sorry, I don't think it will work for you.
To be clear, the S Pen will not work on SM-Txxx models.
Having owned a Note 8 (GT-N5100) followed by a Tab A (SM-P355) I'm quite fond of the S Pen, and will buy the Tab S3 if rumours about it's stylus capability are true. Perhaps the S3 be available in Italy?
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To be clear, the S Pen will not work on SM-Txxx models.
Having owned a Note 8 (GT-N5100) followed by a Tab A (SM-P355) I'm quite fond of the S Pen, and will buy the Tab S3 if rumours about it's stylus capability are true. Perhaps the S3 be available in Italy?
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Well I don't know... fro example if I buy this pen http://www.adonit.net/snap/ which has bluetooth function and use INKredible app on my device which has a palm rejection mode, will work?
I'm not familiar with BT stylus. They don't seem as capable or convenient as the S Pen, but I guess they're better than capacitive stylus.
Good luck!
So I understand at this point that the P580 has not just a pen included but also has a layer under the screen to make it work with the S-pen. I'm wondering if I could buy a bluetooth pen and if it would work with the tablet, and how different the performance would be.
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So I understand at this point that the P580 has not just a pen included but also has a layer under the screen to make it work with the S-pen. I'm wondering if I could buy a bluetooth pen and if it would work with the tablet, and how different the performance would be.
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Need the make and model of what you are calling a "bluetooth pen" before that question can be answered. If you are asking if there are Pens, other than the ones from Samsung, that will work with the P580, then the answer is yes. If you are asking if there are Pens that will will work with a T580 with the fine lines of an S-Pen, then I've never heard of one other than experimental attempts.
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Need the make and model of what you are calling a "bluetooth pen" before that question can be answered. If you are asking if there are Pens, other than the ones from Samsung, that will work with the P580, then the answer is yes. If you are asking if there are Pens that will will work with a T580 with the fine lines of an S-Pen, then I've never heard of one other than experimental attempts.
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I've just been looking around for a decent tablet and stylus combination that I could use to take notes, all the good ones I've seen are really expensive unless I just want to go the non pressure sensitive route and use a capacitive stylus with any tablet. I haven't bought anything so I don't have an exact pen I'm asking about. Are S-Pens really that good? I've never really used one let allowed compared it to a regular capacitive stylus.
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I've just been looking around for a decent tablet and stylus combination that I could use to take notes, all the good ones I've seen are really expensive unless I just want to go the non pressure sensitive route and use a capacitive stylus with any tablet. I haven't bought anything so I don't have an exact pen I'm asking about. Are S-Pens really that good? I've never really used one let allowed compared it to a regular capacitive stylus.
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Any new tablet with a Smart Pen, one that write with a line like a ballpoint pen, is going to be several hundred dollars. But you can get a used P580 on eBay for about $200. Or you can get a Galaxy Note 2014 10.1", which was originally about a $600 tablet, for under a $150. Any model Galaxy Note, is going to have an S-Pen.