Nvidia's first in-house android device is due out Q2 of this year (it seems they are aiming for a June release date) - and I am a bit surprised by the lack of conversation going on here at XDA about this device!
Why are (or aren't) you getting a Project Shield? Right now everyone is only able to speculate on price and exact availability, but as it draws closer to June we are sure to get loads of more information.
I'll go first!
I will be ordering one as soon as they become available. This is exactly the device I have been waiting for, for several reasons.
First, I have always never enjoyed on-screen joysticks/buttons as a control for touch-based games. It seems like a backwards way to do it. This eliminates that issue and will make me actually purchase some of these neat Android games.
Secondly, I am a PC gamer at heart, and the one thing I have always been jealous of the XBOX/PS3 guys is that they can lay back on the couch when they get home from work and relax while playing their favorite games. I already use a controller with a bunch of games on my PC (exclusing FPS and Strategy), so this seems like a natural fit for me! As well, once Nvidia gets the streaming to TV working, I can leave my big PC rig in my office while still being able to play my games on the nice HDTV in the living room, using this as the controller. I could not ask for it to be easier, especially with Steam's lovely new Big Picture mode.
Lastly...emulators. Lots and lots of emulators. Nvidia's Tegra 4 seems to be one powerful chip, certainly powerful enough to run all of the emulators on the play store. This will be perfect for SNES/NES/PSX/N64 emulation on my tv..
I'm interested to hear your guy's opinions! Hopefully we can bring some life to this board over the coming months.
Basically you gave every reason i will also purchase one
Can't wait ehehe
I think the Nvidia Shield is a very good idea, as long as you fit within it’s very, very narrow niche targets. Most people won’t, which is why I think it will sell in low numbers despite being some decent hardware. I think I will be buying one though. I’ll explain.
I fit into one of the very few practical uses for this device. I have a high-end (for now) gaming PC with a GTX670 installed. This gaming PC is in my front room, behind my TV. It is there because my PC room became a nursery when I became a dad in 2011. There is no other room in my stupid tiny house for a PC desk. It has to be behind the TV.
To compound matters, I foolishly went and signed up for TiVo. (Freeview reception is woeful in my area). Now my wife has a hard drive chock full of hour after hour of mindless tat (I hate TV. 99% of it bores me silly) which I end up having to watch most nights. It’s driving me mad. I’m frequently sat there just waiting for her to p*ss off to bed so I can start my evening and bleed off the frustration built up from watching 4 hours of sh*te. This is typically around 11pm, by which time, any of my friends on Steam have also gone to bed.
(Apparently this TV consists of “quality time together” in her mind. When I asked her if she would like watching 4 hours of gaming each night and have to wait until 11pm so she could watch her recordings, she thinks this would be unfair and selfish. But I never have to raise a finger around the house and she brings me cold beer so it’s swings and roundabouts I suppose.)
When I read about Shield it seemed to answer the problem. I would be able to sit on the sofa, next to my wife, (quality time) and play on my PC titles whilst she absorbs hours of Celebrity Pets On Ice Makeover Factor. Whilst I am a little unconvinced that I’ll be able to play games like Planetside 2 on a 5” screen, at least I will have the option to play smaller scale stuff like Skyrim or Sim City. Games I can easily pause when she has something to say!
As I already have a nice setup for my keyboard and mouse and headset already able to reach my sofa, all I really needed was the small, portable screen. I thought I could make my own solution for a lot less than the Shield is likely to cost, and get a slightly larger screen. I was wrong. All small 7” to 10” screens were unsuitable for one or all of the following reasons;
1. USB input only, meaning my CPU would be driving the display, not my GPU. Also possible latency issues depending on drivers.
2. Awful resolution. They can all support up to 1080p inputs, but natively they are rarely above 480.
3. Terrible response times. They seem to be ok for desktop computing or widget monitors, but high speed gaming would be motion-blur city.
4. Cost. The only small, portable, high resolution LCD/LED displays with HDMI input and decent response times were for high-end professional photography DSLR camera rigs, costing around £1200.
Anyone with their own computer desk won’t need an Nvidia Shield. Anyone who wants an Android gaming experience can already do so for £30 with an Android device they already own and a PS3 or Xbox360 controller (http://buy.thegameklip.com/) and won’t need an Nvidia Shield. Anyone who wants the hand-held PC gaming experience and doesn't already have at least GTX650, is looking at a starting cost of an additional £200 on top of the eventual cost of the Shield. How many people are going to go for that?
If I could have found a separate small screen that would have been up to spec, I wouldn’t be looking at a Shield either. I’ll be amazed if Nvidia shift many of these upon release. If they cost it much above £250 I’m going to have a hard time justifying it myself.
I am looking forward to being able to lie in bed and play Sim City before going to sleep. There are plenty of Android apps (I use Unified Remote) that can remotely shut down/hibernate your PC over network. I suspect the Nvidia Shield (if they’ve though this through) will also have this though.
I am not getting one but I hope it does well... here's why:
I bought a Moga Pro (which has not arrived yet as their free shipping is the slowest domestic service I've ever experienced). With the controller combined with the LGOG (and it's Tegra 4/Snapdragon 800 based replacement this fall), I expect it to match most of the Project Shield functionality.
I own a high end phone (LG OG + 64gb card) and a high end tablet (Nexus 10 32). To the extent I want a 3rd piece of portable electronics, It would need to do something that the LGOG/Nexus 10 can not do or play a game my devices cannot play. I'd sooner get a 3DS XL for the exposure to a unique gaming library.
The PC gaming has zero value to me (I have a modern laptop (Vaio i7 14" touch screen) but it's graphics are by ATI. There's no way I would get a bulkier laptop (for the 660 graphics) to stream to a more portable.
On the other hand, I hope it succeeds. The better shield does, the better the games android will recieve. I don't particularly like tegra exclusives (expecially since Chainfire's mod doesn't support JB) but most likely my next phone or tablet will have the Tegra 4
one simple reason why not.. thats because i don't own a nvidia GPU. im currently using AMD and don't plan on changing to nvidia anytime soon. from what i understand you can't use the project shield to stream games from PC without having a decent nvidia GPU
I will not be getting it either for the simple reason like stated above have an AMD card. This card is very capable of running games like this to a little device such as the Shield but they will never do it. Given I just bought my rig with some killer specs I am not willing to pay another 300 dollars for a nvidia card ton a system I already spent over 1000 on just to see the same performance out of the card. Its pretty pointless to me plus the precision you have with a mouse is far better then joysticks.
I'm still on the fence. If it's under $200 I'll definitely consider it. I'm basically looking at it as a higher quality alternative to something like the JXD S5300. I want it primarily for emulators, but also some Android games that I think would work well with a controller. If the JXD S5800 actually comes out and doesn't have any major issues I'll probably go with that, as I think that the layout (PS Vita like) would work better for games that still need some help from the touch screen.
I won't get it as it's the first time a device like this is being made, and there'll be unpredictable problems with the device. Sitting on the fence, and I'll be waiting for shield 2. Also, because I'm in no hurry.
One more reason is that I have gtx 560 ti and not 660.
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Def getting one here, I think it's a novel concept and I applaud Nvidia (and any other company) for trying to make a product that is unique. I do have a drawer full of "unique devices" though so it will really be up to Nvidia to stick by the device to make it successful. It is for sure priced at a premium and I believe that will be a barrier for many but, if you are a real hard core PC gamer you are used to spending pretty big bucks for a fast setup so from that perspective the price might be ok.
I pre-ordered one because it has physical buttons. I've been using an Asus Transformer Infinity tablet with a PS3 controller to play emulators when I'm bored at work. Not very Ideal. This morning I sold the infinity on craigslist, took the cash over to gamestop and pre-ordered a shield.
Android Emulators
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These are my reasons OP. I'm hoping that with root access we will find a way to stream the PC games without being on the same wifi network. I have amazing internet at work and at home. My gaming desktop is HUGE.
This is my steam library I have an extremely beefy desktop with an Nvidia card I built.
Well, I saw this section on XDA, and thought it was quite interesting, but I'm definately not going to buy the shield.
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a -7- 5 inch device, while I'm even on the same network? My chair is as comfortable as the couch :/ so I see no reason to stream. (Also, I use ATI cards as Nvidia ones are overpriced over performance. "But ye, I don't have to bull**** about drivers and it just works" - You know what kind of people have that argument as well? People that buy apple)
- It's not even out yet, and pre-ordering is just insanely stupid. You're laying down money for a product that is not even tested, and you're purchasing it for the highest price possible, as products only get cheaper over time. I will even go as far as simply declaring people that pre-order products, may it be games or actual products are extremely retarded.
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Well, I saw this section on XDA, and thought it was quite interesting, but I'm definately not going to buy the shield.
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a 7 inch device, while I'm even on the same network? My chair is as comfortable as the couch :/ so I see no reason to stream. (Also, I use ATI cards as Nvidia ones are overpriced over performance. "But ye, I don't have to bull**** about drivers and it just works" - You know what kind of people have that argument as well? People that buy apple)
- It's not even out yet, and pre-ordering is just insanely stupid. You're laying down money for a product that is not even tested, and you're purchasing it for the highest price possible, as products only get cheaper over time. I will even go as far as simply declaring people that pre-order products, may it be games or actual products are extremely retarded.
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Wow, that's a pretty large set of arrogant statements with no good backing. Why do you have an ATI card? If you stuck with a Trident card for longer, the price on that ATI card would come down even more! Calling people who preorder "extremely retarded" only means you're completely removed from rational discussion. I pre-order games if I don't want to have to worry about them on launch day. I pre-order hardware that may be hard to get on launch day (or shortly after). Maybe the real problem is that you can't afford to pre-order products, and you're jealous of people who can? Maybe you're happy with older technology until the dust has settled? Those are good reasons to claim you're not going to pre-order a product. But to announce that everyone online is "extremely retarded" is really just showing your own ignorance and cry-baby mentality.
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- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a 7 inch device.
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you call us retarded but can't get any facts for yourself before commenting.
A) price is already up. There is no price to expect when it has already been announced.
B) its 5 inches not 7.
C) It doesn't just dream, its a fully fledged android device and very capable of playing games offline, there are quite a few good games coming out on android now.
I want go get shield but its not up for pre order in the UK yet, looks to be around the £230 mark if you do a straight price conversion although if you follow existing trends they will charge £300 or more in the UK because everyone hates us and charges us more for no reason. I can't afford the £230 price tag right now, let alone if it does get a price bump.
If I get one it will likely get loaded with emulators and then it might make an interesting device to make apps for. I couldn't care less about streaming. I just see it as what the PS Vita should have been, a high end android device with a gamepad (yes it is my opinion that the vita would have been much better if it was an android device).
Oh I'm sorry, this is the internet, I need to back up the fact that a cigar is a cigar on every post I make?
The US prices are released, not any international ones. With the current rate, it should come down at €270. Hell no, it will get that tag in Europe. It could go as far as €300 to €400. That's still a huge difference.
And yes, I would go as far as claiming that pre-ordering products is an extremely retarded action. Why would you pay the royal jackpot for a product, that has no one ever reviewed yet, that no one ever put to day-to-day use and could report how it functions. You pay that royal jackpot for a mere idea or concept, led by marketing and manufacturers claims. I cannot see how this could be a good decision in any daylight.
"But to announce that everyone online is "extremely retarded" is really just showing your own ignorance and cry-baby mentality."
Why would that claim be untrue? I see no valid reason why you would not be retarded if you just believe a manufacturer by the nice blue colour of their eyes. I see no ignorance from my side, only those of who pre-order stuff. I see no cry-baby mentality in that statement, only from you who are quite tense in defending your purchase.
It's alright though, it's your purchase, your good decision to do so, and I do not say you can't do that. You're just not that sane in my opinion, just as you think negatively about me. I see you are quite tense. Don't get pushed that much by someone on the internet.
See, I know a lot more about the product than you. I've been playing with it for months. My decision to pre-order has nothing to do with marketing or hype. I choose to pre-order the product based on solid facts, hands on testing, specific knowledge of the features, and specific plans of what I intend to do with it. When I pre-order software, it is generally after either beta testing it or careful homework on the software in question with the knowledge that my friends and I will be playing it on release day together. Since I live in the US, I know the price, and I know whether it will be coming down any time soon. And they aren't allowed to charge me until they ship, so it's not profit to them yet either, I can cancel at any time.
I pay a premium to remain on cutting edge technology, and because of it, I have done well in my career. I owe my current position on getting involved with Android earlier than most people, and diving into the technical aspects of it. That's what I do.
So you can think of me as retarded all you want. I'm thinking you're just too lazy to be an informed buyer until after everyone else already has it.
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I have an extremely beefy desktop with an Nvidia card I built.
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LOL! you are right. I was tired when I wrote that. I built the desktop not the Nvidia card
I will definitely be buying one as well. I have already pre ordered the shield. Some of the features that I like are obviously streaming PC games to the device so I can play them while sitting on my couch or in another room. I also like the shield for the controls so I can play games like Shadowgun, modern combat and other games like those. I also like that I can also use it just like any other Android device.
The speakers are here are incredible and it was shown that you can actually play music and use as a speaker alone which I think is a neat idea as well. Lastly I think a lot of developers are going to be making some pretty awesome games for this device and this device especially has endless possibilities.
I already have a set up that will provide a great experience for streaming PC games so don't need to buy anything extra for it to work right out of the box. I currently use Moga pro to play games on my Nexus 10, but it is a pain to carry around both devices for this to happen.
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I`ve pre-ordered mine on May 16, 2013 for a fun reasons like to help developers in test with custom recoveries, kernels, systems or such things. I hope there is going to be guys who willing to develope for this thing something because it got some good potential.
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I`ve pre-ordered mine on May 16, 2013 for a fun reasons like to help developers in test with custom recoveries, kernels, systems or such things. I hope there is going to be guys who willing to develope for this thing something because it got some good potential.
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Recovery looks like it will lack touch for a while, but developing ROMs for it shouldn't be overly difficult.
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OK, so I am still trying to decide whether or not to buy the Neuxs 7 or not. I have the money for it right now but the following concern me:
I have a good gaming PC (i5 2500K, 8GB RAM, GTX 560Ti graphics etc.) and I am thinking that I may not use the tablet as much because of it. I know it's cheap anyway, but I don't want to buy it if I'm going to rarely use it
The screen lifting issue seems quite common and something which would bug me no end
I am worried about the sound quality via 3.5mm jack. I use a pair of SoundMAGIC E10 earbuds and I'd plan on using it to watch a lot of live streams as well as listening to a lot of music.
It was one of those things where I instantly pre-ordered it because I've never had a tablet before but then I cancelled after I'd heard about some of the issues that people have been getting with their N7's as well as some of my other concerns. I currently don't have a mobile phone and the only portable device I have is the iPod Touch 4G 8GB.
Are my concerns above justified or is there anyone that can persuade me otherwise?
Thanks.
Reading/seeing stuff on here is also tempting me
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To be honest, i haven't had any problems what so ever, but then again, you are going to hear more negative comments around here as people are more likely to talk about issues as people like myself are actually using it, etc.
I have consoles, a vita, and a gaming pc. I dont use the tablet as a gaming device, i use it more for consumption (news, media, etc).
The DAC is fine, i have Beyerdynacmics, Audio Technica's and a pair of Kilpsch S4's. It may not be the most outstanding quality i have heard but its perfectly fine. You wont be disappointed. For its price point, this tablet is an absolute blast, its quick, smooth, battery friendly (currently on stock) and has a beautiful screen (especially compared to my HP Touchpad).
Finally, its a 7". My ideal size, but then again, its really up to you dude.
The size of the tablet doesn't bother me because to me the iPad is too big/heavy, it's just simply whether or not I'll end up using it more than what I anticipate. I mean, it's a MASSIVE step-up from my iPod touch, but then again, I don't really use that much for anything other than music.
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OK, so I am still trying to decide whether or not to buy the Neuxs 7 or not. I have the money for it right now but the following concern me:
I have a good gaming PC (i5 2500K, 8GB RAM, GTX 560Ti graphics etc.) and I am thinking that I may not use the tablet as much because of it. I know it's cheap anyway, but I don't want to buy it if I'm going to rarely use it
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Do you plan on using the Nexus 7 mainly for gaming then? I personally believe while Nexus 7 is good for gaming but it's so much more. I don't believe it's fair to compare your PC to a tablet when it comes to gaming though.
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What percentage of Nexus 7 do YOU actually think have this problem? If you are just going by your impression from the forum then I have to say that would be very skewed. Almost everyone who has that problem will complain but those who don't are probably too busy enjoying their Nexus 7 to even bother creating a thread with the title "All's good folks!".
I am worried about the sound quality via 3.5mm jack. I use a pair of SoundMAGIC E10 earbuds and I'd plan on using it to watch a lot of live streams as well as listening to a lot of music.
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It's about the same as any other tablet I've tried, namely iPad 3, iPad 2 and ASUS Transformer.
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I should've elaborate a bit. Some people recommend the Nexus 7 because with it having a Tegra 3 CPU and 12 core GPU, some people mention that it's a great gaming device. I'd be interested in a few games, sure, but it's not going to be a primary gaming device by any means. I am sure the percentage of Nexus 7s that have the issue are much lower than what most think and I suppose more people would complain that theirs is faulty rather than people writing to say theirs is fine.
I wasn't expecting phenomenal audiophile sound quality, but it was alarming the amount of people saying it was really bad but then I suppose that could be down to the source material (YouTube vs FLAC etc.) or the earphones/headphones of the user.
I have the money and I don't really need/want anything else right now, but at the same time there's this niggling thought it the back of my head saying 'What if I buy it, open it then use it like once a week?'. It's almost like I do want it but I don't at the same time :/
Haha..hey man, either buy it or don't. If you don't really need or want it, what's the problem? You know nobody on this forum is going to be able to make the decision for you, and it really comes down to you. I mean, even if you used it once a week it's still just $200.00. Seems like a steal to me.
My experience with the device was overwhelmingly positive, although mine was slightly defective. I've been missing it terribly these past three days. Our situations are actually pretty similar, since I've never wanted a smart phone and the only tablet I've ever used was a Fire, which I returned before Christmas because it wouldn't let me watch sideloaded videos in fullscreen. Stupid reskin.
I returned my 16 to Sam's Club due to screen lift, and last night I talked myself into mail-ordering its little sister from the Play store for two reasons.
Firstly, they have the best return policy in case I get another defective unit. Secondly, Google can afford to raise its standards for the 8 shipments now that pre-orders for that one are out of the way. If they intend to root out this assembly defect or ramp up quality control, they're going to be more thorough with the model that isn't backordered. Right now the 16 isn't available from the Play store, so I convinced myself not to wait because I enjoyed using it so much.
In terms of capacity, I was surprised by how little I needed the extra space because, although I watch a lot of movies and TV shows, it's pretty easy to set up Wifi streaming from shared folders on your PC. And you can just copy shared files onto your device through an Android explorer app if you're heading out the door. It's as quick and easy as you can configure it to be, so I didn't need to load up 10 gigs of television at a time like I thought I would. I don't have a TV, so maybe watching stuff on a tablet isn't a priority for you. Yes, I'd rather have a 10 inch screen for this, but the Nexus 7 is large enough for immersive viewing if you have good headphones, and a smaller device is better when you're lying in bed.
I think the best thing about owning a tablet is that you don't need to sit in one place when using it. And it's hard to understand how liberating this feels until you try it. Sort of like using a wireless game controller. You can sit on the porch at night and watch Arrested Development, check your email, do online banking, whatever.
As for gaming, it sounds like you don't have a portable device, so you'll definitely get some mileage there. Touchscreen controls are a little bit forced for certain genres, but really satisfying for puzzle, arcade, and strategy games. The quality of games being developed for touchscreens is improving, and even Squaresoft has gotten into the mix by releasing a relatively pricey but very well received revamp of FFIII. I'm trying to save my Play money, so the only game I purchased was Osmos HD, which is pretty old but still well supported. Great game. And there are other titles on the horizon that I'm really excited about, like Asphalt 7 and Fieldrunners 2.
I don't think you'll regret buying a tablet, or find it reminiscent of using an iPod touch. And you should only be worried about getting a defective unit if you don't trust the return policy. I would recommend buying the 8 from Google if you think that will be enough for you. Otherwise, wait to buy the 16 from a store that doesn't make you nervous.
Well, the 8GB would be an option but by the time I pay shipping, it costs £168 and I can get a 16GB one from Tesco for £194 delivered plus 3% cashback.
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I think you should look at the ability to be mobil and rather its something you need or want. I hardly ever use my tablet at home other then reading in bed or outside on deck for a quick search.
So to better answer rathere we can convince you its worth while will depend on your need to be mobile. I love myself a 500. Only it will not fit in my purse.
Hope this helps.
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Well, the 8GB would be an option but by the time I pay shipping, it costs £168 and I can get a 16GB one from Tesco for £194 delivered plus 3% cashback.
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The monetary value of that extra space is entirely dependent on your needs. If you don't know what those needs are, go with the larger capacity.
I would call and ask about their exchange policy, assuming they're still in stock.
I can order one and have it delivered for Tuesday. Tempting.
Still undecided haha, don't know what to do. It's not a device I NEED, but one I want but then don't want it to basically end up being a £199 paperweight (If I end up not using it much). It's one of those things where I'm not really sure how much I'd use it unless I had one?
Do you have a tablet already? It sounds like the question you're asking yourself is not "do I need a Nexus 7?" but "do I need a tablet?"
If that's the case the answer is yes. You'll understand within a day.
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I don't have a tablet, no. The only current electronic devices/equipment I have are my gaming PC, Xbox 360 and iPod Touch 4G (I don't have a mobile phone).
I didn't need or want this tablet either. I've got a Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and really didn't think a 7" was for me. After buying one for my son for his birthday and briefly playing around with it, I was really blown away with how smooth this tablet is. I was able to buy the last one at my local Staples and absolutely have no regrets. This device now goes everywhere with me; something I couldn't do with my 10.1.
If you're on the fence as I was, I'd suggest picking one up while you can. There's not really any risk of losing money as they're selling like crazy on Craigslist and eBay. I don't think you'll have a problem with getting your money back.
Also, my son's 8 and my 16GB have 0 issues.
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I got mine to hack on. Everything else is a plus. The first time I rooted my phone and flashed a custom ROM I was hooked. I got a galaxy nexus for the Dev support same for the 7. With a nexus device you will always get firmware updates first and there is a ton of developer support on all nexus devices... but if you don't have a mobile phone then I doubt you care about that. It is extremely addicting to root and tweak/ overclock your device to get the full potential out of your hardware. In my opinion it would be worth it just to get exposed to a open source community. Its something no iPhone/iPad user will ever experience on their device. One of my favorite things to do is comparing benchmark test to see what kind of performance increase I get from different Roms kernels and tweaks. If you've never had an android device then you are going to be spoiled because jellybean provides by far the best android experience so far. So in short if you want a device you can't have total control over and discover a whole new world... then any android device is for you. The 7 is especially nice because the hardware is top of the line. If you get a defective one you can always return it for a new one. I would suggest getting it from a retail store if you could just because its easier to return a defective device through a retail store.
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Also you can use free emulators off the play store to play any NES,SNES, Sega, n64 and many other console games.
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Yeah, I love tinkering about with stuff (Started with the PSP then got Motorola RAZR V3i, ZTE Blade etc.) and the idea of a Nexus tablet interested me from the very moment it was announced but not sure if I'd use the device for what it's meant for (Media consumption). I might add that I'm going to university to study Computing in September and there's free WiFi all over campus.
If you like tinkering then I would say get it. Do alot of reading on rooting and flashing custom Roms before you jump in because you can brick it, however, with nexus devices all the factory images are available so its pretty hard to jack it up beyond repair. If you've never had a device that runs an android operating system then I would say you don't know what your missing... and while it was designed for media consumption it offers a lot more than that... but if you really feel like you don't know what you would use it for then maybe it isn't for you...
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Well this is a new idea (somewhat) so I wanna hear what you guys think about this is it going to win? Or fail
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Well this is a new idea (somewhat) so I wanna hear what you guys think about this is it going to win? Or fail
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Refer to that thread to discuss it.... keep offtopic out of here or..
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It's hard to say at this point.
The offer is good in my opinion. If they deliver it could be an awesome piece of tech.
Now some things have to done well in order for it to succed.
First they have to avoid having a flawed product. Nvidia is relatively new in hardware making and a lot of thing could go wrong in the process which could cripple the product.
Then they have to price it correctly. It's a difficult thing to price. Android games alone aren't good enough to charge a premium for it and the other streaming aspect can't be done by itself and need another already expensive piece of tech nearby. And as a tablet, media consumption device the form factor isn't really good. Overall it's not an ultimate device for any kind of use but it does alot of thing nicely and have some unique feature.
For me they can't price it above 400$ and should be somewhere between 300 and 350.
Then they have to delivers the product and make it available everywhere cause the first rule to a succesfull product is to make it reach the buyer !
And finally they have to ramp up the THD games on Android to deliver the much needed content and drive sells. If they could get some big design win from other OEM for Tegra 4 it would help tremendiously in this area.
Anyway that's my 2 cents. I'm probably gonna buy it if priced right and available soon. I want a T4 device and if the Shield is the first one by a long shot I'll surely go for it.
I don't think any product can be "epic" at this point. The Shield brings very strong points and will be successful. I'd expect it to be about as popular as the Nexus 7 if NVidia can get a Walmart contract and the price right.
If it became as successful as the Nexus 7 i would be seriously shocked and that is coming from a guy who wants the Project Shield to be a success.
I think the Nexus 7 hits far more every day use abilities then this will. I cannot see browsing the web or streaming video to much on it and honestly anything touch related will be cumbersome because of the huge controller below the screen.
Obviously price point will dictate alot of this but this is Nvidia after all and we have be realistic it will not be cheap even if it should be.
I do not know how many Nexus 7's were sold but im sure it was in the many millions and ill be surprised if Nvidia sells more then a couple of those in its entire lifetime.
They will sell if the price is wright.
Great article on why the SHIELD can very well be the ground breaking device it claims to be.
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/02...-want-it-and-everything-you-need-to-know.html
It has tons of potential, but mainstream adoption will depend 100% on how well Nvidia can advertise and explain to the consumers.
1) This is very hard sell to the mainstream consumer. It is slightly confusing to the untrained person (PC games on a handheld?!), and will take some brilliant marketing to get the message out there. It will be especially hard for Nvidia since they are very new to hardware and have never released an in-house device before.
2) Pricing will be an issue. Nvidia will almost certainly have to sell this at a slight loss/break even and hope to make up some sales in the Tegra store/other places (i'll be upgrading my 560Ti to a 660Ti+ or 7xx for this). I imagine they won't be initially making a ton of these which means the components won't be super cheap. I hope they take a play out of google's book and sell it for as cheap as they can afford to. If they try to sell it at $600, it will sell to a few diehards but never see mainstream adoption.
3) I am personally beyond excited for one! It is everything I need and want, especially with Steam big picture mode. One of the reasons I refuse to buy anything more than casual games on Android is because on-screen controls that try to emulate controllers are TERRIBLE. Android devices are finally getting the power needed to attract AAA developers, and with this the control is finally there as well.
4) Again, my main concern is on marketing/educating the consumer. It seems a ton of companies struggle with that these days.
I hope it'll fail. PS Vita is way better solution if You like gaming in motion.
This is one of those things that could sell and it couldn't its really to early to tell i hope it sells...
I think it's a good idea for Nvidia, there are a lot of awesome games in the Play Store.
I could definitely see this being an epic win, and I hope it does, but I think that all hinges on price and marketing, unfortunately thus far they seem to be marketing it in a way that won't help it, specifically the steam streaming, is it cool? yup. Is it useful? not really, it requires pretty specific hardware to even use so most people won't be able to use, and it requires you to be on the same wifi as the computer streaming, at which point there's not much point playing on the tiny shield screen vs your computer monitor.
What they really need to do is price and market as a competitor to the 3DS and PSvita, that's where it could win, they just need to price it competitively, to those, which means really trying to stick to the $250 range and they need to push for develop support for real console quality games and not rely on "mobile" games. If they push it that way and can get the dev support I see absolutely no reason to get 3DS or Vita as it really is superior, the control is better and more comfortable, great screen, hardware wise the processor and graphics are superior to the Vita as it's based on last gen android hardware (quad core cortex-A9 & PowerVR SGX543MP4+), there will likely be yearly refreshes of Shield with faster and faster hardware supporting more graphically intense games and it's a standard open platform, meaning all your old games come with you, 100% backwards compatibility, which is awesome.
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I could definitely see this being an epic win, and I hope it does, but I think that all hinges on price and marketing, unfortunately thus far they seem to be marketing it in a way that won't help it, specifically the steam streaming, is it cool? yup. Is it useful? not really, it requires pretty specific hardware to even use so most people won't be able to use, and it requires you to be on the same wifi as the computer streaming, at which point there's not much point playing on the tiny shield screen vs your computer monitor.
What they really need to do is price and market as a competitor to the 3DS and PSvita, that's where it could win, they just need to price it competitively, to those, which means really trying to stick to the $250 range and they need to push for develop support for real console quality games and not rely on "mobile" games. If they push it that way and can get the dev support I see absolutely no reason to get 3DS or Vita as it really is superior, the control is better and more comfortable, great screen, hardware wise the processor and graphics are superior to the Vita as it's based on last gen android hardware (quad core cortex-A9 & PowerVR SGX543MP4+), there will likely be yearly refreshes of Shield with faster and faster hardware supporting more graphically intense games and it's a standard open platform, meaning all your old games come with you, 100% backwards compatibility, which is awesome.
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Nvidia has stated in interviews that they are going to be selling it "for profit." which makes me slightly concerned that it would be exorbitantly more expensive than the Vita/3DS. They might be able to make up for it by 1) producing the silicon themselves 2) the use of a 720p screen rather than 1080p.
However, I fear they will have a hard time bringing it down to the $250 range, even though it really needs to be there in order to sell.
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Nvidia has stated in interviews that they are going to be selling it "for profit." which makes me slightly concerned that it would be exorbitantly more expensive than the Vita/3DS. They might be able to make up for it by 1) producing the silicon themselves 2) the use of a 720p screen rather than 1080p.
However, I fear they will have a hard time bringing it down to the $250 range, even though it really needs to be there in order to sell.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb, and supposedly being updated to a Snapdragon 600/800 & 1080p at display at the same price points, so $250 wifi/$300 4G seems reasonable for a smaller screen with say 16gb of internal storage and the integrated controller. But yeah, I guess we'll see, but I do think over those prices and it will struggle to get any sort of market acceptance, if they could manage a $199 price point for a wifi only model I bet they would sell really well.
Though I will say though that I think they should have went with a slightly larger screen, something in the 6" range would have been awesome.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb, and supposedly being updated to a Snapdragon 600/800 & 1080p at display at the same price points, so $250 wifi/$300 4G seems reasonable for a smaller screen with say 16gb of internal storage and the integrated controller. But yeah, I guess we'll see, but I do think over those prices and it will struggle to get any sort of market acceptance, if they could manage a $199 price point for a wifi only model I bet they would sell really well.
Though I will say though that I think they should have went with a slightly larger screen, something in the 6" range would have been awesome.
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That's a good point, although Google and Asus sold it at a very minimal profit, pretty much at-cost, at least initially until component prices came down a bit... Hopefully Nvidia can do the same, and this thing might stand a chance!
interesting concept, but the design..hm
For people with the S4, it seems better value just to get a Moga style controller and use that. Display is better on the S4 and hdmi out works great.
As a dedicated gamer, I am tempted. I wonder if Nvidia will have apps 2sd as an option? At least there is about 8gb more on this than the Ouya.
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For people with the S4, it seems better value just to get a Moga style controller and use that. Display is better on the S4 and hdmi out works great.
As a dedicated gamer, I am tempted. I wonder if Nvidia will have apps 2sd as an option? At least there is about 8gb more on this than the Ouya.
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Well right now if your are interested in the shield for android games only then yes buying a wireless controller would be better. If you are going to use the pc streaming then I think buying the shield would be better. I have yet to see an app for android that does a good job streaming pc games to android.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb
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Don't forget that the prices you list there are current prices and not the prices from launch, when 8Gb was $199, and 16Gb was $249
After all the hype this past summer about Android TV powered by NVidia I spent the last half of 2014 keeping my eyes peeled for Android TV news. Then the release of the Nexus with atom/vr was a big disappointment! Now of all things Razer which I thought for sure would use NVidia goes for Qualcomm another disappointment! There is the upcoming Snail Games OBox which looks interesting but does not appear to be Android TV based? Am I the only one who would like a K1 or for that matter X1 powered box? Yes I admit I am a NVidia fan I can notice graphics that come from NVidia colors are different just personal choice.
Contrary to what most of you here enjoy(Mods, Sideloading, etc.) these things should be a choice not something that has to be done to make the system work for such things as storage for games? I currently own FireTV, Madcatz Mojo, Ouya, ADT1 and it seems to me that android still has a way to go before it truely is ready for the living room out of the box? The issue is difficult one player has HBO Go while the other can load apps and Kodi I have been searching for that box that can do all of this DAY 1 ? I am getting older and while I enjoy reading this forum and all the talent it contains I just don't have the energy to perform all these mods just to get what I consider to be that perfect box that just works when you plug it in:victory:?
Very true. I'd consider myself an Android "enthusiast" and got the original Logitech Google TV and then the Sony Google TV. Big disappointments! The Nexus Player is great when compared to those two, but I'm only using it for games right now. The Roku 3 is still superior in terms of media consumption - at least in my eyes.
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After all the hype this past summer about Android TV powered by NVidia I spent the last half of 2014 keeping my eyes peeled for Android TV news. Then the release of the Nexus with atom/vr was a big disappointment! Now of all things Razer which I thought for sure would use NVidia goes for Qualcomm another disappointment! There is the upcoming Snail Games OBox which looks interesting but does not appear to be Android TV based? Am I the only one who would like a K1 or for that matter X1 powered box? Yes I admit I am a NVidia fan I can notice graphics that come from NVidia colors are different just personal choice.
Contrary to what most of you here enjoy(Mods, Sideloading, etc.) these things should be a choice not something that has to be done to make the system work for such things as storage for games? I currently own FireTV, Madcatz Mojo, Ouya, ADT1 and it seems to me that android still has a way to go before it truely is ready for the living room out of the box? The issue is difficult one player has HBO Go while the other can load apps and Kodi I have been searching for that box that can do all of this DAY 1 ? I am getting older and while I enjoy reading this forum and all the talent it contains I just don't have the energy to perform all these mods just to get what I consider to be that perfect box that just works when you plug it in:victory:?
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While I don`t disagree with you, you can wait forever for the latest hardware or UI. There will always be a better chip or box just around the corner and that next release of code is coming any day now. The way I look at it is we are at about gen 1-2 of these devices (I have had a couple already) with a few more to go. You can either sit on the sidelines for another 1-2 years or understand the limitations of what you are getting and play with it. Remember Android TV was released less than a year ago and has some growing up to do. The alternative is a stock Android OS, which requires customization.
I have the NP and think the specs are reasonable for the cost I paid. I could pay to play for all the google services, or tinker (as I have) and install Kodi and a bunch of other apps.
The only problem with your strategy is that in order to get a turn key solution with no tinkering, it will likely come from your friendly cable or IPTV provider with an additional subscription fee.
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While I don`t disagree with you, you can wait forever for the latest hardware or UI. There will always be a better chip or box just around the corner and that next release of code is coming any day now. The way I look at it is we are at about gen 1-2 of these devices (I have had a couple already) with a few more to go. You can either sit on the sidelines for another 1-2 years or understand the limitations of what you are getting and play with it. Remember Android TV was released less than a year ago and has some growing up to do. The alternative is a stock Android OS, which requires customization.
I have the NP and think the specs are reasonable for the cost I paid. I could pay to play for all the google services, or tinker (as I have) and install Kodi and a bunch of other apps.
The only problem with your strategy is that in order to get a turn key solution with no tinkering, it will likely come from your friendly cable or IPTV provider with an additional subscription fee.
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Your so right, Its a never ending cycle with new products all the time. It just seems in this case you either have a good OS with ahhhh...specs! , or great specs with terrible software (example: Madcatz Mojo). My worst habit is I shop by specs which gets expensive:silly:
I dont mind spending $$$ for a box but even then the market is bare save PS4 or Xbox....maybe Tivo? Looking forward to a true Android Game Console...Storage and all!
I'm definitely keeping my eyes on the Obox!
If I have to wait, wait I shall. Lol!
Could someone please advise me here.
In terms of longevity of use, lowest cost to own, and performance.
I currently have a Amazon firetv stick. I have been on the fence about buying a game controller as it's $40.
I have seen many ADT-1s sell on eBay for less than $100 with a remote and game controller. It is my understanding that the memory on the adt1 is superior to the nexus player.
However I don't want to buy something that down the road won't be supported. My roku 2xd still works and gets updated. But once I used my firetv stick I was hooked on speed.
I prefer Google devices and love my Nexus 7 2013. It has lots of support too.
Bottom line, and sorry for taking over, but could someone advise me on if I'd be better buying a Nexus Player or adt-1. FYI I'm not a gamer and don't play them often. I prefer my NES and n64. In fact I'd probably love using n64/nes/snes/gbaoid on one of these android tv devices lol.
What's the best for long term stability?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jlz3z/the_developer_adt1_vs_the_nexus_player_vs_amazon/
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jfriend33 said:
Could someone please advise me here.
In terms of longevity of use, lowest cost to own, and performance.
I currently have a Amazon firetv stick. I have been on the fence about buying a game controller as it's $40.
I have seen many ADT-1s sell on eBay for less than $100 with a remote and game controller. It is my understanding that the memory on the adt1 is superior to the nexus player.
However I don't want to buy something that down the road won't be supported. My roku 2xd still works and gets updated. But once I used my firetv stick I was hooked on speed.
I prefer Google devices and love my Nexus 7 2013. It has lots of support too.
Bottom line, and sorry for taking over, but could someone advise me on if I'd be better buying a Nexus Player or adt-1. FYI I'm not a gamer and don't play them often. I prefer my NES and n64. In fact I'd probably love using n64/nes/snes/gbaoid on one of these android tv devices lol.
What's the best for long term stability?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jlz3z/the_developer_adt1_vs_the_nexus_player_vs_amazon/
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In my opinion, you should get either of these 3:
Mad Catz Mojo Tegra 4
Kepler GPU
£120
Razor Forge TV Snapdragon 805
Adreno 420 GPU
£100
Snail Games Obox Tegra X1
Kepler GPU
£150
Other consoles like Amazon fire TV, Ouya all have outdated specs and you will get a lot better quality with what I mentioned above.
Look up each console and decide what you want.
I personally, want an Obox for the raw power of the X1 soc.
LiamAtkins90 said:
In my opinion, you should get either of these 3:
Mad Catz Mojo Tegra 4
Kepler GPU
£120
Razor Forge TV Snapdragon 805
Adreno 420 GPU
£100
Snail Games Obox Tegra X1
Kepler GPU
£150
Other consoles like Amazon fire TV, Ouya all have outdated specs and you will get a lot better quality with what I mentioned above.
Look up each console and decide what you want.
I personally, want an Obox for the raw power of the X1 soc.
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Very cool I will look into them. Almost bought the Madcatz ctrlr for my firetv stick. Lots of good reviews.
What do you think about this :
http://m.geekbuying.com/ItemDescription/336181
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jfriend33 said:
Very cool I will look into them. Almost bought the Madcatz ctrlr for my firetv stick. Lots of good reviews.
What do you think about this :
http://m.geekbuying.com/ItemDescription/336181
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It looks good, I'm not really a fan of mediatek chipsets though. But for £100 it's an OK price.
I've been considering new tablets, and honestly the Shield Tablet has the features I want and I'm able to get one for $250, which seems reasonable. But I'm just wondering if it's still worth it as the it is a year old. How does it compare to newer devices?
If you're primarily going to be using it for gaming, there isn't a better tablet out there. The tablet is a steal for $250. The latest official update really makes the tablet shine and the custom rom called "Blisspop" even makes the device that much better in terms of performance. You won't regret getting one.
Well at the moment there are not many tablets that are faster (maybe even no faster) than this tablet.
Antutu scores are one of the highest even compared with the latest phones.
So speedwise it is still top notch and tablets that maybe come close you have to pay double the price for compared to a shield.
The 32Gb with Lte is unbeaten for that price.
I bought the 32GB LTE version in July, because an LTE tablet anywhere close to the Shield in terms of specs/screen etc. would have been ~$150 more.
Despite the battery recall issue, I'm satisfied with it. My (original) unit has been working perfectly and is very smooth with Lillipop 5.1 (the 3.1 OTA).
I should be receiving my replacement tomorrow, according to UPS. Presuming it doesn't have a defect, I'm looking forward to settling in. I never bothered to settle in on the old tablet (automatic actions, power saving stuff, that kind of thing) since I found out about the recall shortly after buying it, and didn't bother to fine tune it.
I recommend the tablet as an LTE device in the US, though if I didn't need the LTE connectivity probably there might be better values in wifi only (I'm not a gamer, so other tablets could meet my needs... but there are relatively few 8" LTE tablets without permanently locked bootloaders here).
Marc
The problem of the tablet is really the processor that is getting old pretty quick (don't know exactly it's true performance), but nowadays everything coming out is already being 8 cores at 2 ghz or more.
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But they are often not faster. Gpu of the shield is very fast maybe the fastest around at the moment. The SOC is still one of the fastest around and it is just on the market for 1 year so not that old.
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Where can you even buy one of these? In Canada every single place is sold out and saying they won't stock them again. The used market can't find for under $500 either.
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Where can you even buy one of these? In Canada every single place is sold out and saying they won't stock them again. The used market can't find for under $500 either.
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Checkout swappa.com
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Checkout swappa.com
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There is nothing there for it.
M3drvr said:
There is nothing there for it.
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https://swappa.com/buy/nvidia-shield-tablet-wifi
its the non-lte, 16 gb version
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https://swappa.com/buy/nvidia-shield-tablet-wifi
its the non-lte, 16 gb version
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And there are no listings.... Useless.
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And there are no listings.... Useless.
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Its something on your end then
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Its something on your end then
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No. It's just that there are none...
There seem to be two of them for sale at that link when I go to it. One for $290, one for $320, both advertised as new (resale). Probably you're just filtering by Canadian sellers, based on your picture. Lots of folks in US won't ship outside the US, so no big deal that they aren't showing up for you.
Best of luck finding one!
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There seem to be two of them for sale at that link when I go to it. One for $290, one for $320, both advertised as new (resale). Probably you're just filtering by Canadian sellers, based on your picture. Lots of folks in US won't ship outside the US, so no big deal that they aren't showing up for you.
Best of luck finding one!
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Yeah my question was basically how to get one to Canada that's under $500. Impossible! Cheapest I've found is on eBay shipped for $530 for 16gb model no accessories.
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But they are often not faster. Gpu of the shield is very fast maybe the fastest around at the moment. The SOC is still one of the fastest around and it is just on the market for 1 year so not that old.
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The thing is that there aren't much AAA games to play in the shield, it's a good device more for the extra nvidia stuff.
I'm waiting for Borderlands 2 for a damn long time, but it never comes, and I don't even know if it runs on the device with good performance or if it's just for the Shield TV.
More impressive are some cheap windows tablets that for around 350€ can even run Battlefield 3 on low to mid.
Now with DX12 and tons of compatibility tablets might go more for windows again.
In fact I'm not liking much android, not a single game like the good old C&C Red alert 2, boot takes almost 2 times longer than my wind 10 PC, some websites stop working, multitasking is a joke since we can't even play a youtube music while doing anything else...
ps: Also in most performance tests we see other tablets ahead of Shield, so I don't think anything is actually that much optimized for it, not even most tegra games.
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My Shield Tablet LTE topped my Nexus 9's scores on Antutu plus the Shield gaming is great to have. Let's not forget about the SD slot and the mini HDMI port on top either. This tablet still destroys everything else (even most phones) a year later. I really mine because it has a stylus and no dumb Samsung home button like their Tablet S/S2 does. Its hard to find a good tablet these days yet the Shield holds its ground and doesn't seem to lose any performance over time. I like playing Half Life 2 on it or DOOM 3 especially when I travel. Its nice to have a tablet which can play nice games too even though that's not its primary purpose for me.
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The thing is that there aren't much AAA games to play in the shield, it's a good device more for the extra nvidia stuff.
I'm waiting for Borderlands 2 for a damn long time, but it never comes, and I don't even know if it runs on the device with good performance or if it's just for the Shield TV.
More impressive are some cheap windows tablets that for around 350â?¬ can even run Battlefield 3 on low to mid.
Now with DX12 and tons of compatibility tablets might go more for windows again.
In fact I'm not liking much android, not a single game like the good old C&C Red alert 2, boot takes almost 2 times longer than my wind 10 PC, some websites stop working, multitasking is a joke since we can't even play a youtube music while doing anything else...
ps: Also in most performance tests we see other tablets ahead of Shield, so I don't think anything is actually that much optimized for it, not even most tegra games.
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Those cheap windows tablets also use Intel chips in most cases plus Windows an as OS handles things differently than Android does. I agree that there aren't many great games but the ones they do have are fun in my opinion. I have the Shield TV as well and I play all kinds of games including emulators without any issues. My i7 Samsung Ultra book probably can't handle some of the games the Shield can then again I haven't tried. I'm not a big PC gamer but I do know the GPU isn't that great in most Windows tablets/ultrabooks. Android M fixes a lot of the productivity issues and adds multi window and I'm sure Nvidia is working on it now anyway. They tend to lush updates out promptly in most cases unless there's a big issue.
I haven't seen another tablet have better gaming performance than he Shield or Nexus 9 since hwy share a GPU yet use different CPU's. My Nexus 6's SD805 doesn't come close to he 3D score that the tablet does but on Marshmallow it does get a nice ~1500 pt boost likely from the optimization in it. I can imagine the same will occur in the Shield Tablet but we won't know until Nvidia releases it.
I'm not saying the Shield is the best fit everyone but it is a great tablet if you are in the market for a LTE enabled 8in tablet thats fast, runs near stock Android and has nice games for it.
Most of those BEST Nvidia Shield games coming soon are old and I finished them already. (RES5, Half Life, Borderlands, Doom...).
The thing is, you get a good device, but you will probably end playing most games that your phone already can play maxed out.
Other thing is Nvidia blahblahblah says it's more powerful than a X360 GPU, but then most games have a little lag and nothing, but really nothing made to the android yet comes close to most X360\PS3 gameplay\physics (they just look good, but plays like crap).
Then it's my 4th Nvidia shield all are defective and the last one needs to go to RMA again.
I never had an android device, so I wanted to try it, with my experience is just a god damn bugged SO worst than windows.
Also I got sad with the strategy games and how nothing on the android thousand of games even come close to Command and Conquer Red Alert II from like 2000
My opinion:
GOOD:
- hardware Performance;
- Sound;
- has it's own wireless gamepad;
- Nvidia software + remote pc play (button mapping already in the tablet, no need to root 4 that);
- More games than other android devices;
BAD:
- Android is not really optimized;
- Not much AAA games:
- Nothing like C&C, age of empires, Skyrim........ (most games are very cheap copies of good games, but look like a 2003 game);
- In the real world, performance is not as big as nvidia make you think (best phones now probably have better performance, like Samsung S6 which is a lot more little and doesn't come close to having more than a hundred cores like this nvidia);
- Screen quality is not that awesome, it is a High resolution LCD, but nothing special besides that. It doesn't get any close to samsung phone's\tablet amoled screens;
- Battery doesn't last much either;
I actually think that something like that made for DX12 and wind 10 would probably get almost twice the performance than on the actual android OS. At least I saw some people playing BF3 on dell cheap 1 year old tablets that cost basically the same as this nvidia shield. Nowadays with DX12 and Wind 10 soon may be a new era for tablets (it seems windows based hardware have more performance per price than android devices). At least I never seen any 300€ android tablet playing anything close to a BF3 which is years ahead in gameplay + physics than any android game I ever seen\played until now.
ps: If it was today I would buy a ~350€ DELL wind tablet that can even play BF3 (guess what? No need to Root for anything as you own everything already and can update\mod everything).
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Been reading this morning how Mad Catz are posting big losses due to some fallout over backing Rock Band to be more than just a flash in the pan. Real shame, hindsight is an exact science.
I couldn't help feeling that if they'd stuck with Android boxes and developed some better software for the MOJO, things might have been different. I get it when companies get the willies over these things, but there seems to be a big hole in the living room that needs to be properly addressed. Nvidia are doing a good job but the Shield is a very geeky item imho and not necessarily going to appeal to people as an impulse buy. The MOJO could have been the start of something really good imho. It's clearly powerful, even now.
I dunno, just riffing really. But I would have liked to have seen them continue with this instead of what's happened now. However, we still have the MOJO, and it is still very much worthwhile.
That's why I love Android so much. Give me great hardware and root and I'm good.
It would be nice to have support.
I agree, and I'm really just discovering how much of a strength this is. I've got my system working brilliantly right now, and unlike my Ouya which is now facing extinction, nobody can take this away from me. My games work, all my stuff works. When Ouya goes, they will take down the servers and any games you have that require authentication online will not work, and your screwed.
However like you say it would have been good to have ongoing support from Mad Catz, and I feel if they'd stuck with it they'd perhaps be in a better position financially right now. Maybe, maybe not, but I feel like they were very quick to retreat.
There is always a faint hope that they might return as the representatives still get back to one's tickets. Who knows, they might make a u-turn when they see so many people buying the device and reviving old threads online now that it's super affordable.
You're absolutely correct. So far, the MOJO is my entertainment system (minus games). The hardware is still decent and meets the demand of most android games out there.
Corporations tend to have short visions when it comes to making profits. The MOJO cost 3 times less than when it first came out. They have to understand that Android power users are definitely price sensitive imho. All I'm saying is that they should manufacture new batches and cap the selling price at sub $100. They shouldn't aim at price tags which are closer to that of PS-Xbox systems. Android apps and games have still a medium way to catch up to those next gen consoles. If the price is right, they will quickly see how many more people adopt it.
The MOJO is still alive.
AndroidSupaFan said:
...So far, the MOJO is my entertainment system (minus games)...
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How do you mean minus games? Don't you do any gaming on it?
Not much, I'm not that much of a gamer. The android game that I really enjoy playing is Asphalt 8, which I can now even play on my windows 10 (with the help of JoyStick). Aside from that, the only other game that makes me go into "game mode" is Call of Duty in multiplayer mode; thus I need a more powerful game device.
Prefer to waste my time watching movies though
As you can see, the MOJO meets the needs of all types of users!
K-Project said:
Been reading this morning how Mad Catz are posting big losses due to some fallout over backing Rock Band to be more than just a flash in the pan. Real shame, hindsight is an exact science.
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I don't follow US stocks, I'm surprised Madcatz is floated
I'm not an inside or anything but I'd say NVidia screwed Ouya, Madcatz and anyone else using their SoC.
They probably offered an upgrade path, got them to break in the 'micro-console' crowed while waiting for googleTV to come out, then ShieldTV is the only one using the X1 or whatever it is.
That's just my opinion.
But yeah, the Mojo is a quality hardware wise.. the ouja was executed cheaply and poorly, a big disappointment.
The Mojo is still a poor man's shield TV which is good
gwaldo said:
The Mojo is still a poor man's shield TV which is good
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Yes it certainly is! The hardware is still impressive today imho. Not much out there that bests it, certainly not in the price range. If we are thinking of it as a poor man's Shield, that's fine by me. I'm definitely a poor man!