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Hey guys,
need a bit help, well technically my friend does. hes on the market for a new phone and hes quite in love with my nexus one (im def not gonna sell it though! haha). The only concern is whether the nexus one is too old now. He loves the build quality of the nexus one but is worried if its money well spent. He found a mint tmo version for about 320, but at the same time hes wondering if he should just wait and jump to att to buy a atrix or even an iphone 4. So bias aside, is the nexus one still worthy of a 300+ price tag? honestly?
i know its googles baby but what if google does what apple did with their 1st gen iphone. what if 2.3 will be the last upgrade available before google end of lifes the n1.
honestly does your friend give two craps if the nexus one gets an update or not? prob not. anyway my frient recently asked me the same thing, he loved my nexus one and was gonna buy one. he ended up not gettting anything but he was about to do it and found one near him on craigslist and all.
i dont think its a bad idea, i still think its the best phone out there i cant find one i like better yet which is why i keep mine. great build, awesome looking, color trackball, where else can that be found?
I wouldn't sell my phone or recommend a Nexus One to a friend knowing that the power button would certainly fail and the touchscreen will give them issues.
For those reasons i couldn't recommend this phone to anybody!
I switched phones every month for a year, everything having some flaw. I've had this thing since June. No touchscreen issue, no power button issue. Pure Google, piece of art. Get it, keep it, love it.
I just bought my 2nd one (the At&t version). I first bought one on the first day they released the ATT version, but then I sold it to switch carriers. I've been back on ATT for about 6 months now and I've missed my N1, so I just ordered another one from eBay.
I've had the Captivate and the Surround and I still want my N1 back.
It should be here today
DirkGently1: if it was how you're saying, the N1 should have been dropped out the market long ago. I've got mine and got not a single problem (but the touch axis problem, which is not felt not playing on my phone).
I'd suggest the N1, because it doesn't cost like the Nexus S, but still is Google Experience. If only the Nexus S had been pumped up a little more, I'd think about it as my next phone, but dual cores are behind the corner, Nexus S will be overtaken very soon... but still I'd prefere a Nexus S 'cause it's GE.
The N1 is a great phone and I still love mine BUT if I were in the market for a new phone right now I would wait till the dual cores comes out which should be very soon.
RogerPodacter said:
honestly does your friend give two craps if the nexus one gets an update or not?
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its not high on his list but he would prefer something that isn't going to be neglected on updates.
like you guys stated, the dual cores is what hes worried about. with it being so close around the corner, would it be smart investing in year old (while advanced, its still a year old) tech? he just loves the design and quality of the nexus one but hes not sure if that is worth sacrificing the processer and other upgrades in different departments.
im just stuck on whether i should encourage him getting this phone, which is no doubt awesome but old, or wait it out.
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its not high on his list but he would prefer something that isn't going to be neglected on updates.
like you guys stated, the dual cores is what hes worried about. with it being so close around the corner, would it be smart investing in year old (while advanced, its still a year old) tech? he just loves the design and quality of the nexus one but hes not sure if that is worth sacrificing the processer and other upgrades in different departments.
im just stuck on whether i should encourage him getting this phone, which is no doubt awesome but old, or wait it out.
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If he really likes the design and there's nothing else out there he wants, then I would say go for it for that price.
The way I look at it is if he can get a year out of it and be happy with it, then there will be better things out there a year from now anyway.
I've had my N1 since day-2 (had to wait for overnight shipping! ). It's more integrated into my life now, then when I first got it.
...But, I'm definitely starting to keep my eye out for the next thing. The N1 is already starting to show signs of being passed on from Google (ie the current delay on getting official Gingerbread to us!), whereas the Nexus S is the current poster-boy.
If your friend requires no-contract phone and ~$300 is his budget? Well, that's just about a no-brainer that the N1 is recommended.
Other than that, I'd tell them to hold until the Duals become a little more prevalent and then start looking... Who knows, maybe the Nexus Two with Dual-Core (get it, it's a Nexus TWO and it has TWO cores! ) will come out
I love my N1, but wouldn't pay $300 for it right now. It's nice to hear that the resale value is still up there (speaks volumes for HTC's build quality) but honestly, there are much better options out there right now.
If your friend is out of contract, he can pick up a G2 for free from T-Mobile with a 2-year contract. Other than the flimsy keyboard hinge, it beats the Nexus One in almost every category spec-wise. If you're worried about updates - G2 is just as unlockable and rootable as N1, with support from custom ROMs nowhere near stopping.
If your friend doesn't want a carrier-subsidized phone, then his best bet would be waiting a few months until the next generation of dual-core handsets start showing up en masse. Yes, they will be almost twice the price of a used N1 at that point, but that would be money well spent.
Dual cores are fine and dandy, but I would not jump on the first available models.
Nobody knows how is the battery usage or is there are any other esotheric bugs introduced by the new SMP platform.
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Dual cores are fine and dandy, but I would not jump on the first available models.
Nobody knows how is the battery usage or is there are any other esotheric bugs introduced by the new SMP platform.
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Good point. It's always a good idea to wait until the early adopters report in with issues. Power savings of dual-core processors is a fact on laptops and nettops, but yet remains to be proven on the mobile chip architectures. It's good to see manufacturers shipping larger batteries too (1930 mAh on Atrix), but only time will tell.
I bought a N1 right when it came out and loved it, then I got an hd2 and its the best phone I've ever had period, but the nexus one is definitely one amazing phone
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Good point. It's always a good idea to wait until the early adopters report in with issues. Power savings of dual-core processors is a fact on laptops and nettops, but yet remains to be proven on the mobile chip architectures. It's good to see manufacturers shipping larger batteries too (1930 mAh on Atrix), but only time will tell.
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Well, there is a concept of saving power by going multi-core and undervoting/underclocking at the same time. In theory you get more mips per watt.
But it has several relatively major ifs and buts.
First, you need to have something significant to process. The smartphone apps ten to be quite lean on processing anyway. Nobody uses their phones for prolonged number crunching sessions, the processing demand comes in short "spikes".
Second, those spikes should be parallelizable. Which is far from granted.
Third, you need to save more power than you burn on second chip. It is not only CPU itself, but also all this common glue logic around it which gets more complicated than in single core case.
Which altogether does not look like a sure deal to me. It can easily happen, that such dualcore device will greatly improve on video decoding battery life, but get even more miserable than usual standby times. Huge Attrix battery somehow does not look like a good sign to me.
In my opinion the hottest candidate for the second core would be a garbage collector. Which (if properly implemented) could dramatically improve the overall "smoothness" of the phone.
But something similar to the hyperthreading would do the trick too.
As of N1: I bought it when my Magic was starting going slooooow on recent versions of Android. My Nexus One is still highly responsive, and this is what I personally need for my daily usage. And I love to program tools on it: the screen is not small nor too big, it's just "perfect".
I think it depends on what you really want. In fact, I also thought the price of N1 is a little expense. But I still bought it since I really like it, no matter the appearance or the hardware configuration. For me, it's not too old, but your friend need make the decision by himself~~~
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Well, there is a concept of saving power by going multi-core and undervoting/underclocking at the same time. In theory you get more mips per watt.
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There is another feature of these new dual-core chips, is that one of the cores can be toggled on demand. No sense in burning both cores if you're just checking e-mail or syncing calendars/social statuses, but a resource-hungry media app or a 3D game for example would spin up that 2nd core.
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Huge Attrix battery somehow does not look like a good sign to me.
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I'm feeling the exact opposite. Manufacturers are starting to realize that people actually use their phones for longer periods of time, and no matter how power-efficient you make them, a larger battery is always a good idea.
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I love my N1, but wouldn't pay $300 for it right now. It's nice to hear that the resale value is still up there (speaks volumes for HTC's build quality) but honestly, there are much better options out there right now.
If your friend is out of contract, he can pick up a G2 for free from T-Mobile with a 2-year contract. Other than the flimsy keyboard hinge, it beats the Nexus One in almost every category spec-wise. If you're worried about updates - G2 is just as unlockable and rootable as N1, with support from custom ROMs nowhere near stopping.
If your friend doesn't want a carrier-subsidized phone, then his best bet would be waiting a few months until the next generation of dual-core handsets start showing up en masse. Yes, they will be almost twice the price of a used N1 at that point, but that would be money well spent.
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i dunno nexus vs g2 i take the nexus still, g2 is bulky and laggy compared to N1 plus with tzones/web2go its a no brainer... N1 son!
Bought the desire hd a few months back but still im on my n1... dhd cant match the speed n pure google experience... luv the n1 sooo much i'll go so far as to say its the best phone i have ever owned...
Anyone feel tempted?
Please vote in the poll, and post your reason why
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hopefully when they will start selling it in Israel for a reasonable price i will move to it
After 5 android devices and fiddling with different companies and their inhouse mods, I think it's time for real google experience for me... I always go back to Cyanogen for all my devices anyway!
I'll have to stick with s II for at least a year. Hopefully by the time nexus 5 (or whatever it's called) is released, play devices will be available here so I can get it in it's actual retail price.
Yeah I'm definitely thinking about it ... at that price and with those specs how can you really say no. Although it feels a little too good to be true ... will have to wait for the reviews :fingers-crossed:
What more can the N4 do that your S2 can't?
Obviously apart from lastest updates..
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not for now,,,,,after a year or so maybe
and i'm definitely buying the next Nexus phone
i'm done with Samsung
i won't be buying a non-Nexus phone again
lesson learned
My phone is acting really weird and keeps shutting down when I try to use it. Cant even fix it by flashing stock with .pit and repartition. Hopfully the nexus will be my next device
For 299 iam very tempted, but my sgs2 contract lasts until aug13. I can resolve it an time though, then again there is no really need to. I always viewed the sgs2 as a landmark for perfomance, screen and community and it still holds up very well. Improvements on current devices seem not so much a step ahead for me (at last they dont justify the costs for getting a new device) Guess iam waiting for the first A15 phones with Lte and samoled. But i also might Chance my mind soon wether Samsung decides to release documentation or not(and more developers start to leave). Iam also very excited how Samsung/HTC and others will react on this aggressive price tag, because if i were to buy an Android phone for the first time now it would be a Nexus4.
Definitely getting the Nexus 4, The price is unbelievable. It has specs that should last to mid to late 2013 (Exynos is dual core Cortex A15), the nexus has two more cores than the upcoming Exynos 5 with extremely similar architectures (A15). And also this is the first nexus with hardware that is not only high end but possibly the best in the smartphone android space. Ohh and 2GB RAM.
Definetlly not. I thing SGS2 still can last. For me the biggest issue is the lack of space. I can not believe they will be releasing the 8 GB version. Who is living with 8 GB of space now? This is crazy. Nevertheless having pure Google out of the box is good choice for the future. So maybe next time then.
No because i buyd s2 three weeks ago and nexus 4 is too expensive for me
I'm thinking about selling my SGSII and getting N4. First of all S2 is getting old... Future support .... No one knows.... ;( Still good value
LG Nexus 4 as everything else have prons and cons but after all is a winner to me!! Limited storage and locked battery (2100 Li-Pol) is a bit disappointing but I can live with that Online storage is an alternative.. On the other hand we have a 2GB RAM!! (no LTE on-board so all of it go for system!!) Superb 1.5GHz quad-core Snapdragon S4 Pro, awesome GPU and lovely screen.. That's only few things MUCH better than SGS2. Should be supported by CM & AOKP Teams as well.
My main point is DC-HSPA+ (up to 42Mbps!!!) I'm on UK THREE and have unlimited data. They upgraded network and DC-HSPA is up and running!!! Ppl from London getting DL speeds up to 20Mbps!!! Faster than new EE 4GEE!!!
For as little as £279 (16GB) you can't go wrong.. I'll wait for tests and than decide...
Thanks for voting and expressing opinions. Myself, if in a dilemma between yes and maybe.
Look how close the poll results are nearly everyone is split
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I will definitely make the switch, fed up with Samsung crap. Not saying the S2 is bad, but I need a change.
My only dilemma is, if I should order the 16GB or wait until (if) a 32 GB comes out
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I will definitely make the switch, fed up with Samsung crap. Not saying the S2 is bad, but I need a change.
My only dilemma is, if I should order the 16GB or wait until (if) a 32 GB comes out
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all it needed was a simple sd slot, and id have been all over it.
Me. I know there's a lot of downsides. Here goes my complaints:
- No global LTE? Ok fine I guess not many people use LTE worldwide yet, but I'm in the US. Was hoping for maybe including AT&T bands. You can still do that while going unlocked, but of course Google wouldn't upset a fellow US company.
- Capacity. Come on. HTC learned with its One X that 16gb isn't enough. 32/64gb looks like a good spec. Even if Google wanted to be conservative, 16/32gb would've been nice. 8/16 gb? Come on. The iPhone 3G had that combination at launch.
- Why the hell is the notification LED on the bottom? Ugly. But beats BLN.
- I hate on screen buttons. That 4.7" screen becomes a 4.45" screen effectively.
- No microSD: builds on the capacity issue. 16gb + 32gb on my SGS2 is really nice.
Don't want to move too far OT, but if they succeed in unlocking or getting an unlocked bootloader exploit for the LG Optimus G, wouldn't it make more sens to jump on that phone instead of the Nexus 4? This is assuming development work can be leveraged for the Optimus G.
Very tempting, since I have been running CM9 & CM10 on my S2 for a while now however there is no full native support for the latest and future versions of android.
Best option is to wait until christmas, and if Samsung don't release JB update/sources then I will get the Nexus 4!
I voted maybe. I'm fine with Touchwiz as it gets out of it's own way. Apex Launcher, Beautiful Widget, and APW Calendar, and I'm happy. Having "Android" out of date by 1-2 versions is fine as Touchwiz offers some features not found in vanilla Android.
However, I prefer to treat my phone as a PC. On my desktop, I have a Core2Quad Q6600, and I planned for awhile to wait until Haswell, which comes out this upcoming summer. Same concept on my mobile computer, my phone. I wanted to wait until a quad-core A15-based CPU, and I will continue to wait. Those will be out soon. Not a fan of Snapdragon. Nice performance but Qualcomm tends to sacrifice in some key areas. Don't get me wrong, it's a definite upgrade. I'm going to list my SGS2 for sale, and if I can get $300+, then I'll do the upgrade for $50. But if I can't get that, I'll wait. In either case, SGS2 or Nexus 4, I'll ditch it in a heartbeat when A15 quad-core is out, depending on device of course. Not going for the first quad from a manufacturer known for abandoning their devices after launch. My next device will likely be the Galaxy S4 (if Exynos 5450), or the "Nexus 5."
Would love to, looks sweet, but I still have a year left on my s2 contract. Regardless, still think my s2 has a lot of life in it so I am not too bothered!
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I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are?
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Simple... If certain things cause you not to like a phone then don't buy it
The review units didn't ship with widgets on the lock screen feature and multi-user login feature. Those will be in the final builds before shipment. That final build should address those issues. I think Google made a foolish mistake to release unfinished software for review.
But to answer your question, those will never be permanent so your question just doesn't make sense. The LG Optimus G, which has the exact same specs, scored well in benchmarks and battery tests. The issue with the Nexus 4 is definitely the software. And if it's software, Google will take care.
If you really want an answer, well then this is a terrible device, I guess?
Remember, people thought ICS was crappy and laggy when it was first released on the GNex
I hope for everyone's sake that these issues are only temporary.
That said along with my other concerns (LTE and storage are a pretty big deal for me, HATERS: NO MAYBE NOT FOR YOU I DON'T CARE) I am already on the fence between buying this before the holidays and waiting to see what comes next year. If there are quality or performance issues then that will push me over the edge to riding out a few more months with my i9000.
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I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Hero_Guy said:
Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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That's what forums are for
Hero_Guy said:
According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Awesome news. Source?
Honestly, even if.. so what? I sell my gnex 200$ buy that phone for 300$ so effectively pay 100$ for a phone that the current benchmarks are 10 times better than the gnex... I'd gladly pay 100$ a year for that kind of upgrade.
Wow. Okay. I really didn't think I'd have to say this again, but: I am not saying that the complaints are going to stick. I'm not asking for the probability that they will; other people have discussed that ad nauseam elsewhere. I'm just asking, honestly: if the worst happens, and it isn't a pre-production/software issue, and the phone only gets 5.5 hours battery life, and is beaten half the time on benchmarks by last-gen phones, what's the call? What would you guys do, in that situation? I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm trying to honestly attempt to consider a possible situation.
Its simple: N4 got same hardware as Optimus G, which means hardware cant be a reason for scoring lower on benchmarks. Since hardware cant be a reason, it can be software. Those Nexus 4 on tests doesnt have some 4.2 features yet, so you can clearly see that this isnt final software yet.
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The battery definitely should be a software issue. I have a feeling that something is causing the CPU or GPU to not be able to fully downclock on idle which is causing both the battery and heat issues. Though really, the phone should be designed so that it doesn't overheat even when it's running at 100%.
N4 got same hardware as Optimus G,
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What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
MarkusL81 said:
What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
I'm on the GN LTE. It sucks but I can live with it until I figure out the situation with the N4. I rushed into the GN when it first came out without waiting for critical review. Huge mistake.
I won't repeat that with the N4. I'll wait at least a few weeks after the release to see how the reviews play out.
I really hope the N4 can be my next phone. The price is just right. I don't see any good alternative other than paying nearly double for a Note II or S III.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
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And there could be different versions of the SoC. Was any model confirmed beyond it being a S4 Pro? There could very will be multiple versions of the the S4 Pro.
The chips have been confirmed to be the same.
Hi folks,
I was planing to buy the N4, but, seriously, after almost 6 months of the launch date, I don't know if it still is a great buy or if I should wait for the next wave of cellphones coming this spring (and if there are good phones upcoming).
Any clues on a better cellphone than N4 ? (I was also thinking about the Optimus, the one with the best hardware specs, but I have the same doubt, is it worth right now?)
Thanks!
I say if price is a concern then the N4 is the most bang for your buck.
I honestly did not need this thing but I am glad that I got it (coming from G2X running CM7).
Running stock unrooted (for now) and still happy (odd, I know)
Naa...
The Google I/O Come In May so wait two monthes for the X Phone or next nexus ...
From the phone that I have, I shouldn't even think and buy it right away (I'm using an old HTC Diamond touch, was using a BB but a thief robbed me 2 months ago...), but I'm not really sure if I buy it today, tomorrow I won't be sad due to a launch of a new version or really better phone, I mean, it's been around 6 months since the current generation of smartphones started (quad-cores @1.5Ghz [S4] 2GB ram), I wonder if the next gen (either 8-core or @2.5 or S5 or more ram, or even better video processors) will be launched really soon or will take at last more 6 months or so..
Anyone that has more information and is more into it, know something or have any hint on what to do ?
@Omer, that is my biggest concern, I wonder if they will really launch the next X Phone there (since they said that it isn't time yet for a new Nexus) and since I saw some news saying that the X-Phone won't be topmost hardware but will be the better price/hardware equivalency, I wonder if it will be really better than the upcoming Samsung S4 or perpahps the next gen upcoming HTC phone.
AW: [Q] Is it worth ?
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From the phone that I have, I shouldn't even think and buy it right away (I'm using an old HTC Diamond touch, was using a BB but a thief robbed me 2 months ago...), but I'm not really sure if I buy it today, tomorrow I won't be sad due to a launch of a new version or really better phone, I mean, it's been around 6 months since the current generation of smartphones started (quad-cores @1.5Ghz [S4] 2GB ram), I wonder if the next gen (either 8-core or @2.5 or S5 or more ram, or even better video processors) will be launched really soon or will take at last more 6 months or so..
Anyone that has more information and is more into it, know something or have any hint on what to do ?
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And what do you want to do with an 8 core processor and more than 2 gigs of RAM? Dude, seriously. I can't even imagine how to use the Nexus while 2 gigs of RAM or all four cores at max frequency except for weird games with, for a phone, great graphics but generally bad controls.
That said I think the manufacturers should start focussing on other things than processors and RAM. Today's generation of phones got enough resources. It seems that in the future we will see big improvements in the phones displays. See 1080p and flexible displays. Especially flexible displays could really change the way we use smart phones but I doubt we will see that in 2013.
Just wait what manufacturers show on MWC. Then think about if you really need the ridiciulous specs shown there and furthermore think about the fact that the N4 will be supported by Google for at least two years.
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First of all, it's been exactly 4 months since the release, not 6.
If you keep the mentality of "waiting for the next best thing" you'll never buy anything because there's always a next best thing around the corner. Whatever phone you decide to buy, it's not gonna be the greatest thing for more than a few months and you'll just have to live with that.
There's already the wave of 5", 1080p, 13MP phones coming out, but the reason why the N4 is still attractive is all those new phones will still cost 600+ off contract.
No one's stopping you from waiting another 6 months, but that's 6 months you could've been enjoying a good phone. I had one before and that HTC Diamond is some hot garbage.
Yep I was thinking about this 2 things too, what will be the upgrade in Phone X / next Nexus ?
Google usually do have major differences between the releases, so I'm really curious about the next phone, I'm wondering if the features that this new one gonna have will be amazing (it doens't really need to be better proc. or ram, as you said, we currently don't even use it all), but will be the next "awesome feature", and I'm worried to buy now beucase there seems to be so little time left for the next wave that really holds me back of buying it today.
Btw, @100eyes that is another concern, the price, from the leaks, and news and blabla, it seems that Phone X will be coming with a lower price basis.
The mistery on it is holding me more than anything, if I already knew some of the new features, probably I would buy today the N4 as it seem to be more than good enough for me (I have a N7 and I love the proc and all the things, and it is slower than the N4 LG)
Btw, about the release date, the wide release was 4 months agora (end of october) but the first release to a restricted public and testing public was 6 months ago, I'm talking about knowing what you gonna get and not what I'll really have my hands on in 1 or 2 months, I was planning on a max 4 months from now timegap.
Anyway, those 2 answers were pretty good, this topic is more to make a discussion of the real value than to make me decide hehe
Get the Nexus 4, you won't regret!
I say pull the trigger. coming from a G2x as well I couldnt be happier with rooted stock. All of the threads you see around here with people complaining are either
a) legitimate issues that can only be resolved by RMA. Its very possible to receive a faulty unit.
b) complete and utter retardation.
The threads complaining about "washed" out colors and other things such as that are completely bias and you really shouldnt let that effect your decision. Hope that helps!
I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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This is one of the main reasons why I am returning mine, what's the point? It'll be quite some time before we see full support for 64 bit processors. We're paying this high of a price NOW for a tablet that the OS isn't even optimized for. That's the difference between apple and google, iOS is built around the hardware and for a limited amount of products; whereas android is built for a large variety of devices so it never really can be optimized for a specific tablet or phone because it has to cater to so many different devices with different specs.
Android should be flawless on a nexus device, after all a nexus device is supposed to set the tone and be an example of what android is.....too bad, because that is not the case with the n9.
Fwiw, I think the n9 is nice and all, got a lot of love for it but for what I paid for my 32gb n9 I expected more. I could live with a lil light bleeding and some recessed buttons but the lack of optimization and the battery life is unforgiving at this price. I bought the n9 to find out that maybe down the line at some point it will become the product I though that I was purchasing in the first place, if that makes any sense.
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^^^ this ^^^^
Yeah I'm debating the return myself.. It does not perform the way it should. Question is will they ever optimize the OS for it...?
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May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
When playing music or YouTube the tablet stutters and exhibits pops and clicks in the audio. It may just be the software is not optimized.. But for $600 it damm well should be. Given the way google handles things they could very well move on to the next thing and were left holding the bag.
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Chyeo1979 said:
May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Agreed with what you said, except my battery life is only about 5hrs as I mostly surf on browser. Coming from an old iPad 2, this is one of my biggest disappointment. No tablet should have <8hrs SOT for normal usage to me. And as if not bad enough, the battery charging rate is almost the same or slower than the draining rate. What's Google doing!!
I'm ok with no SD card, but feel Google should give 64gb storage and 3g ram too.
Only things that's keeping me are lollipop, the tablet size/design and my refusal to go back to iOS.
64gb storage, 3gb ram, Qi charging by default and OPTIMIZE LOLLIPOP FOR 64BIT ARCHITECTURE.!
As it stands now this thing is not optimized for the hardware.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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Hmm, how can it not be Google's choice. Google can't be telling HTC "Make me a tablet any way you like" right?
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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522 in NYC after taxes, that's iPad money, I expect an iPad like experience. I'm not about putting up with bs at this price point, I shouldn't have to wait for optimization. Its acceptable to you and I understand that but it isn't to me, these companies want to let out inefficient devices and or products and we are the ones who have to deal with it? Negative, not this time.
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HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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Cant wait for a review on this.
The 2GB RAM is most likely because nvidia wouldn't provide them with a TK1 SoC variant with more ram than that.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are leaving out one important thing and that is that HTC is in no position of power, they are declining across the board. They need google more than Goole needs them so to think that google had no say in the hardware is absolutely asinine. HTC told Google we're making it like this or kick rocks....PLEASE! You proved my point in stating that it is a compromise, meaning google had to make a decision and they obviously did. I agree with that statement but you made it seem like htc tells google what they are doing point blank and google says yes HTC. HTC can't build the n9 without google signing off on the product as I'm sure you are aware of so google had the final say.
I'm done.
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I want to believe this.. I was telling myself things are not optimized for the chip and architecture and it will get better. They only thing left is the light bleed I see.
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AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7, then Google Engineers worked with HTC engineers to design the Nexus 9. But at the end the Nexus is a Google product and they are the ones with the final say in how the hardware is designed.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mo...ned-the-google-nexus-7-in-four-months-1089680
So will this rumored 5.1 update slated to hit first quarter 2015 be some TLC for this tablet..?
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