Database Users

[13.05.2011][2.2+] CF3D :: NightMode v1.1 [BETA][ROOT][OpenGL ES 2.0+]

THIS APP HAS BEEN SUPERCEDED BY "Chainfire3D": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087427
It contains all the functionality present in NightMode and more.
.
.
.
.
.
.
DO NOT INSTALL ON HONEYCOMB (yet)
YOU WILL READ THE ENTIRE POST. YES YOU WILL. EVEN YOU, SUPERCURIO !
About
NightMode itself is an implementation of Jeff Sharkey's excellent power-saving and night-vision-preserving idea for surfaceflinger effects. Really, you should read that link.
The red mode is great in darkness as it does a good job preserving night-vision, for me the power-saving is secondary (power-saving is on OLED screens only)
Unlike Jeff's original article, NightMode is NOT based on surfaceflinger (or other) source modifications, the same effect (more or less) is achieved by using a proxy driver I call CF3D. NightMode serves as the first test of this driver, which will ultimately try to make games run on your device that normally do not.
If you are running CM, you have a similar option already in your settings (which uses the surfaceflinger method).
CF3D driver
The CF3D driver used in the app is a proof-of-concept proxy driver I'm building. It's ultimate purpose is to serve as a compatibility layer and to implement some extra features. Or in normal people English: make stuff work that doesn't, and add some cool.
CF3D is dangerous
The installation of the CF3D driver is not without risk. So far it has worked for everyone who has tried to install it, but you should definitely make a CWM backup before trying!
Successful tests of CF3D
- HTC Hero (not supported by this APK)
- HTC HD2 (MDJ on NAND, Adreno200)
- Samsung Galaxy S (2.3.3, PowerVR SGX540)
- Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" (2.3.3, PowerVR SGX540)
- Samsung Galaxy SII (2.3.3, Mali-400 MP)
- Motorola Atrix 4G (2.2.1 ?, Tegra2)
- Motorola Droid 2 (?, PowerVR SGX530)
- LG Optimus 2X (2.3.4, Tegra2)
More about NightMode !
The featureset is nowhere near what I wanted to release for this beta, but I ran into a lot of snags, and it's simply time to put it out there. For example, what I really wanted is automatic night mode in the dark. However after some testing it became obvious that the light sensors in the phones I used are simply not good enough to accomplish this. So there goes that feature For some reason, they appear to be unable to distinguish between house lighting at night, and pitch black
So the feature set has become really simple: you select which night mode color you want, and whether it should be on or off.
For your convenience, there is also the option to create a shortcut on your home screen to toggle night mode on and off. You can either create it by pressing the button in the app, or: tap-and-hold on the home screen -> shortcuts -> Toggle NightMode.
Requirements
NightMode requires:
- OpenGL ES 2.0 (every 1ghz+ phone has this)
- SuperUser / Root
- Writable /system (it will try to remount system as read/write when needed, but the changes need to stick between reboots)
- S-OFF ??
- Having root access from recovery is a big plus to solve problems if you run into them
Installation
If you have CWM or another recovery-based backup system, make a backup before proceeding !
Install the APK as you would any other. Open the program, and press the "Install" item under the "CF3D driver" heading. This will attempt to install the CF3D driver and reboot your device.
Please make sure you have USB debugging enabled, so you can logcat and potentionally fix problems manually in case of a no-boot.
When installation fails and your device doesn't boot
- If you can achieve root access through ADB shell while booting or in recovery, the fix is usually easy, just execute the /system/lib/cf3d_uninstall.sh script as root.
- Otherwise, if you have CWM, do an advanced restore of the /system partition
- If all else fails, reflash the /system partition or the entire firmware
Uninstallation
Open the app, and select "Uninstall" (if available), then uninstall the APK like you would any other.
Thanks!
Though the app itself may not be very interesting, feedback on devices it does and doesn't work on is most welcome (please include logcats of the boot process), just for the sake of progress with the CF3D proxy driver.
Screenshots / Video
Screenshots are attached below. Here is the video:
Download
Use the Thanks! button if you like it!
DOWNLOAD REMOVED, THIS APP HAS BEEN SUPERCEDED BY "Chainfire3D": http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087427 (441 original downloads)

*plants eyes onto screen*
*F5*
*F5*
*F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5*

That sure was the longest edit in history... got sidetracked by other stuff

Chainfire said:
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE THIS RIGHT NOW UNLESS YOU ARE EXPERT LEVEL AND/OR WILLING TO REFLASH YOUR FIRMWARE !
YOU WILL READ THE ENTIRE POST. YES YOU WILL. EVEN YOU, SUPERCURIO !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Guilty
Thanks to the entire reading session that was well worth it I understood it was not at all a Ripoff of the color effects that are in CyanogenMod, not even related.
Actually the concept is super powerful and I'm already flooded by ideas of new stuff possible with this approach.
Fantastic stuff Chainfire.

Short video added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okKArBstjwA

I really have been waiting for something like this since i got my first android device. Absolutely awesome.
Atrix.

Heehee, updated to v1.1 already... seems I left some debug code in there that disabled PowerVR textures

This sounds really cool . But all the technical stories behind it are completely unclear to me (because I am simply a user, not a maker, so I didn't really delve into this kind of stuff (yet?)).
The thing that matters to me is the battery saving part. Is the amount of battery saving (roughly) the same between these different methods (CF3D/CM7/surfaceflinger)?
And being sufficiently scared by your CF3D is dangerous warnings: did you receive any reports yet from SGS i9000 2.2.1 Users? (Or maybe even more specific, JS8 or Doc rom users, if you think that matters anything.)
I will keep my eye on this, quite interesting .

Tried and tested on Rooted UK Galaxy S2
PDA:XWKE1
PHONE: XXKDJ
CSC:XEUKD1 (XEU)
Install, reboot, Night Mode, all went without a hitch and work as expected.

THIS IS AWESOME (have not tried)

jjwa said:
This sounds really cool . But all the technical stories behind it are completely unclear to me (because I am simply a user, not a maker, so I didn't really delve into this kind of stuff (yet?)).
The thing that matters to me is the battery saving part. Is the amount of battery saving (roughly) the same between these different methods (CF3D/CM7/surfaceflinger)?
And being sufficiently scared by your CF3D is dangerous warnings: did you receive any reports yet from SGS i9000 2.2.1 Users? (Or maybe even more specific, JS8 or Doc rom users, if you think that matters anything.)
I will keep my eye on this, quite interesting .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The amount of battery saving should be exactly the same. The battery saving is a property of OLED screens, when not all colors are used. OLED only sends power to pixels that aren't black (for example in red mode, green and blue pixels will remain black, thus not use any power). It has nothing to do with the method used to get there.
There have been no 2.2.1 reports yet, btw.

It works perfectly on my Optimistic 2X
Great work dude!
EDIT: Btw, are you going to release the source at some point?
Sent from my Optimus 2X using XDA App

kiljacken said:
It works perfectly on my Optimistic 2X
Great work dude!
EDIT: Btw, are you going to release the source at some point?
Sent from my Optimus 2X using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks!
Source? I doubt it... I don't normally release source for anything.

Chainfire said:
Thanks!
Source? I doubt it... I don't normally release source for anything.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
D:
Btw it's running 2.3.4
Sent from my Optimus 2X using XDA App

Works perfectly on my sgs custom rom based on 2.3.3 jvh with touchwizz 4 and voodoo hack kernel. thank you sir !!!

Works on Droid 2 running Fission ROM.

Amazing!
Working on HD2 with TyphooN_CM7_v3.2.6.
Great stuff! Thank U for that!!!

*eyes glued to screen* when it says tested on HTC hero would that be the GSM version or CDMA
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

fowenati said:
*eyes glued to screen* when it says tested on HTC hero would that be the GSM version or CDMA
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Does the hero have open gl2?
Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk

I find a cool bug lol, i was in yellow mode before i reboot in my red recovery mode, convert my partition in ext 4 with voodoo hack kernel, the boot was in lovely yellow lol. After that u just need to use toggle and all works fine when ur in touchwizz or others home . No incidence for future boot.
Edit : sorry my english is not terrible :-(, hope you understand what i would like to say. See ya

First-Timer Rooting NST. Latest Status?

I've rooted my phones but haven't rooted my NST yet.
I'm interested in doing it mainly to get access to Dropbox and one of the Dropbox apps that let's you get feeds put onto your NST daily (I want to get my local paper there--which is available). I already have the paper portion working locally.
I have a few concerns:
1. What's the absolute latest/best way to root the NST? I'm on 1.1.
2. Will rooting suddenly drive my battery life down while the NST is sitting idle? I can go a week without touching it. I don't want to have to charge it every time I touch it.
3. Are the latest approaches problematic? I'm seeing threads about people having some pretty serious issues. Should I just wait at this point assuming there's serious thought to a near-bulletproof approach right around the corner?

All roots are pretty stable, there have been some methods that have had issues. TouchNooter for example had a major issue just yesterday because of a space in an Apps name. But it's been resolved and is stable.
Battery Life won't be affected so much depending on your wifi settings, if you keep wifi off you won't notice the difference between root and non-root. If you keep your wifi on though you may find yourself needing to recharge more often if you have your nook doing data updates too often.
Each version has it's advantages and disadvantages:
MinimalNooter - If you're willing to use CWM Minimal Nooter is available and is easily one of the most customizable of all the Nooters with different packages ranging from the most basic of roots "Minimal" to a full root package with Gapps XorZone's Mods etc.
Advantages
Clear Instructions, lots of information, can be a little confusing/overwhelming.
More Customizable with multiple packages
Lowest chance of FS corruption due to CWM use
No One Day Market Wait
No extra Apps to fix Market Search
Disadvantages
More steps to get to root through using CWM (Not just pop it in wait and done)
TouchNooter - TouchNooter was the original Nooter for Nook Simple Touch using the original Methods used on it's sibling the Nook Color. It installs a few mods and the basics to make it as customizable as a person needs you can drop apps in or remove them without having any real technical know how.
Advantages
Customizable with most extra apps in /data/app
Lower chance of FS corruption due to new TouchNooter methods
No extra Apps to fix Market Search
Clear Instructions that go step by step through each requirement
Disadvantages
One Day Wait to get Market Working

I would use TorimuNooter, because theCPU underclocking saves the most battery power.

I'd be very curious to know why Gabrial originally included TorimuNooter but then edited his post to remove mention of it.

[NST]MinimalTouch 1.1beta5 (+Index to manual rooting)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1346748
My favorite so far, easy install as long as you can follow directions.
Market works immediately, lightweight - only includes apps necessary for functionality and has had no problems since installing a few weeks ago.
Still waiting for XorZones NST launcher for my nook to be complete

Agrajag27 said:
I'd be very curious to know why Gabrial originally included TorimuNooter but then edited his post to remove mention of it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
After the update to 0.5 in which TorimuNooter is no longer really a derivative of TouchNooter, not even bothering to change bootloader images or disk names or a number of other things unique to TouchNooter, I feel that it no longer deserves to be recognized as it's own "Nooter"

GabrialDestruir said:
After the update to 0.5 in which TorimuNooter is no longer really a derivative of TouchNooter, not even bothering to change bootloader images or disk names or a number of other things unique to TouchNooter, I feel that it no longer deserves to be recognized as it's own "Nooter"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He's gonna freak about that...
*hides*

So do I take it that the "simple" act of rooting will drive my battery life down, possibly significantly?

Agrajag27 said:
So do I take it that the "simple" act of rooting will drive my battery life down, possibly significantly?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No.
Rooting just makes you gain root access, so you can modify your device.
It wont eat any battery just for rooting, but depends on what you do with your device, it will consume more or less battery.
On idle, except if some app is preventing your device to go to sleep, it should be the same.
If you read a lot of pdfs, play games, use web browsers, etc, the cpu will stay much more time active and there will be many more screen refreshes than when reading books.
Your battery will last less when doing more intensive tasks, the same when reading books, and the same when idle.
Just dont bloat it with trilions of apps you wont use, keep it minimal as more apps running, normally means more problems with battery.
If you wanted to lessen the cpu states, you could try SetCpu or follow this manual tuto http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20069231&postcount=4 (I preffer this type of tricks, instead of installing extra apps).
Don't forget to never leave the wifi on for long periods of time, as it dosn't let the device go to sleep.

Agrajag27 said:
So do I take it that the "simple" act of rooting will drive my battery life down, possibly significantly?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No.
If you have too many applications running the background such as email and twitter and weather updates and etc. Your battery life will be significantly less than if you have just email running. Your battery life is directly affected by what you put on your device and by which settings you use.
My nook is rooted and without underclocking my battery life hasn't changed that much, if I leave wifi off I can go weeks before I ever need to recharge, if I leave Wifi on I can go maybe a few days to a week. Which isn't abnormal or extreme battery difference from root to non-rooted.
It's very much like your android phone, when you rooted it the battery life didn't actually change, if you install new roms, or different kernels you risk a difference between non-root and root. However the only real difference between root and non root on this device is your ability to install apps on the device and do things that require root such as directly modify the filesystem, or use root ADB.
If you don't overload your device with bloat and lots of apps that want to run in the background you won't notice a difference. If you decide to bloat your device up with a bunch of excess apps that like to stick around in the background you risk the chance your battery life will suffer.
Googie2149 said:
He's gonna freak about that...
*hides*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm a dev, I don't care if he freaks, it's my honest opinion. To me there's a fine line between derivatives and non derivatives, if he can't even bother to change the things that mark the image he used as TouchNooter than to me that is theft and nothing else, regardless of the changes or additions he makes to it.

I had read elsewhere that an app or two that got installed as a by-product of the rooting process was taking up CPU that wasn't there prior.
That was the concern. For me I'd think about adding passive e-mail support, another keyboard, possibly another reading app and would be likely to read more PDF's though now it appears I can get my newspaper (which is the primary goal) in epub format daily.
On WiFi, I haven't touched the default other than setting up access and it's been a good three weeks since I last charged and just re-charged it at 10%. I guess I could do better than that turning that off.

GabrialDestruir said:
I'm a dev, I don't care if he freaks, it's my honest opinion. To me there's a fine line between derivatives and non derivatives, if he can't even bother to change the things that mark the image he used as TouchNooter than to me that is theft and nothing else, regardless of the changes or additions he makes to it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I understand that entirely, but Torimu will still be upset about it. He is kind of going around advertising his as the best nooter, and having it "insulted" (in his mind) will probably set him off. You know what, I should probably just leave this whole thing alone... :/

Agrajag27 said:
I had read elsewhere that an app or two that got installed as a by-product of the rooting process was taking up CPU that wasn't there prior.
That was the concern. For me I'd think about adding passive e-mail support, another keyboard, possibly another reading app and would be likely to read more PDF's though now it appears I can get my newspaper (which is the primary goal) in epub format daily.
On WiFi, I haven't touched the default other than setting up access and it's been a good three weeks since I last charged and just re-charged it at 10%. I guess I could do better than that turning that off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Gapps does get added in with some other apps to make it more usable. Gmail runs in the background but with the right settings it isn't an issue. The launcher I believe could also run in the background with some settings (I believe there's an option in ADW so it doesn't close completely) but I pretty much find battery life between root and non root is pretty much negligible.

I forgot about the disk names...
But I will change that. I'm just trying to improve upon others work.
Thanks for your opinion Gabreil......
I'll try to stop advertising.

Torimu.Joji said:
I forgot about the disk names...
But I will change that. I'm just trying to improve upon others work.
Thanks for your opinion Gabreil......
I'll try to stop advertising.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's more than just disk names there were other changes I made, big changes that would be rather noticeable if you bothered to test your work. Like for example the start up image which was left completely unchanged in both your most recent updates.

@Gabrial and the other nooters
While you're on the subject of images I just want to take the opportunity to emphasize the importance of you guys keeping your images within the size of the original NST boot partition.
Reason is, as said before, people regularly do the mistake of writing your image directly to the NST instead of writing it to the SD card.
Just this week I've had four cases where people have written "garbage" data outside the boundaries of the boot partition, and as you (should) know, the next one is the tiny /rom partition with the really important stuff.
Thank you
-Roger

ros87 said:
@Gabrial and the other nooters
While you're on the subject of images I just want to take the opportunity to emphasize the importance of you guys keeping your images within the size of the original NST boot partition.
Reason is, as said before, people regularly do the mistake of writing your image directly to the NST instead of writing it to the SD card.
Just this week I've had four cases where people have written "garbage" data outside the boundaries of the boot partition, and as you (should) know, the next one is the tiny /rom partition with the really important stuff.
Thank you
-Roger
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I often keep this in mind. It's even addressed as one of my "Before you Begin" pieces. The problem is there's only so much you can do before it just falls to the user to pay attention and not screw up their device. When "You must have an external microSDCard reader or this will not work. Do NOT use the Nook Simple Touch." is apart of the "Before you Begin" and a user ignores that, then it's unfortunately their fault if or when they screw up their device by not following directions.
I've always limited my images to 128 because it's big enough for people to add what they want or to expand Nooter as needed. I'll actually be switching over to the CWM method which would be safer but you're stuck with the same issues with CWM that you will see with using TouchNooter's current image based method and that is people not following instructions and screwing up their devices.
While limiting images and such to 70MB (I think that's right) would be ideal the issue is the majority of that space is already filled, meaning you're very much limiting what you can do with an "automatic" method.
Mind you I've heard of methods like noogie which is the exact size if I remember for the boot partition completely destroy a device because someone wasn't following the proper directions. So the issue isn't the size of the image but how the user uses them.

GabrialDestruir said:
Mind you I've heard of methods like noogie which is the exact size if I remember for the boot partition completely destroy a device because someone wasn't following the proper directions. So the issue isn't the size of the image but how the user uses them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True, but my experience is, and I get around three to four cases every week, is that they write it to the root device which means that 76MB (or 155648 sectors to be exact) is ok.
Beyond that you go into the next partition and the data there is only a couple of hundred kilobytes.
So you see, just 300KB beyond the size of /boot is enough to completely brick a NST forever :/
Yes, there's a backup zip in p3 (factory) but it's usually fragmented and I have only once succeeded in recovering it..
Let me end with a 2012 version of a famous (mis)quote:
"155648 sectors ought to be enough for anybody"
-Roger

ros87 said:
Let me end with a 2012 version of a famous (mis)quote:
"155648 sectors ought to be enough for anybody"
-Roger
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wish that were true, lol, but considering how much information we want to put on the device it's hard. Perhaps if CWM could grab zip files off of the internal media storage you could toss CWM on 155648 sectors then keep all update zips, etc on the internal storage partition

So i just squires an NST and already have a Fire and Sensation for most of my needs, i really only want to use this as a reader, but the restrictions blow. i really only care about fixing this partition silliness. Which is the best way for just getting that space available.

[GT-N5100]4.4.2 Kitkat Changes and Bugs!

Hello everyone! Today I will give you the changes of Android 4.4.2 Kitkat on the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100
So first of all, after flashing the update or updating via OTA you notice White Status Bar Icons and the UI is a bit darker.
The Multi Window lines are smoother and instead of having an arrow on the screen, you just swipe your finger from the right.
Toast messages also were changed. The "Recent Apps"(Long Press Home Button) Words are now bigger.There is also a new thing in "About Device" its called "SE for Android Status" and by default its "Enforcing".
The icons of some system apps also changed. The icons in the Settings also changed.
Instead of a Binary Counter which can be reset, we now have a Knox Counter which cannot.
Our Task Manager also changed, and UI Improvements. Driving Mode turned into "Hands-Free Mode".
There are also Battery Life Imrpovements, Performance Improvements and GPS turned into Location.
You can also record your screen without an app or root! Just use a PC via USB Cable. (No instructions sorry, this is just a changelog sort of thing.)
Accessibility issue fixed.
A few keyboard improvements, new S Note,a few bug fixes and when turn off and on your phone, theres a new effect!
When using a screen recorder you will get Internal Audio Recording.
New Setting! Its called "Default Applications" Below "Applications"
We also have new apps! (Music Hub,Video Hub, etc.)
BUGS:
-Reading Mode in Auto Brightness is dark.
-While updating to 4.4.2 all the apps in External SD are going to Force Close
-Sometimes while charging instead of the real percent of how much battery you have, it turns it into 100% (e.g. you have 82% and then suddenly its 100%)
-On some apps the new KitKat toast message is reverted back to the old Jellybean Toast Message.
a_sh_ said:
Another bug - OS crashes and force reboots when you press alt+tab on external bluetooth keyboard (seems like they have removed alternative "recents" panel). Also the layouts for external kbs are wrong - numbers row, for example, in Russian actually follows English standards (so you cannot get " of : symbols for example).
Had to switch to cm11 with less efficient and stable multiwindow solutions (xfloatingwindow + multiwindowsidebar)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What is SE for Android?
SE for Android is really a form of SELinux which enables administrators to control what other users can and cannot do with their account. History of SELinux, it was originally used by the Department of Defense to manage which users could access certain parts of the system. We didn't want someone without the proper clearance to have access to the same systems that control our missile defense system.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks Mattix724!
If I theres a missing feature/bug please post a comment down below to inform me.
Sorry guys I got no screenshots again. I dont know how to.
Wanna update? Go to my post!

Could you please confirm changes in reading mode described http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52931029?

hhrun88 said:
Could you please confirm changes in reading mode described http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52931029?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm on Civz 4.4.2 rom and Reading Mode still working for me, but when using auto brightness it is definitely much darker than before with 4.2.2. So I just untick auto brightness and adjust manually when using reading mode now. When I'm done I turn auto-brightness back on and turn off reading mode. Hope this helps.

4.2.2 auto brightness was to dark for my taste, I haven't looked yet but did the magazine ui make?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

There are now two binary counters, one for how many times the device has been flashed using Odin which can be reset using Triangle Away and Knox to indicate the device has been flashed at least once with unofficial firmware. Knox cannot be reset even if you flash the original firmware.
Sent from my GT-N5110 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
---------- Post added at 01:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:10 PM ----------
SE for Android is really a form of SELinux which enables administrators to control what other users can and cannot do with their account. History of SELinux, it was originally used by the Department of Defense to manage which users could access certain parts of the system. We didn't want someone without the proper clearance to have access to the same systems that control our missile defense system.
Do we really need SELinux for Android? In my opinion no, but for example Android is being used for educational purposes currently because it is much cheaper than buying hundreds of desktop computers that run Windows. In this situation you would need SELinux to manage what a student does or does not have access to. There are now apps for teachers and administrators to change these permissions on the fly and to launch a program on all devices at once.
Sent from my GT-N5110 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Thread Update
You cannot reset the Knox Counter, thanks for telling me!

Added bugs! Can anyone tell mw how to edit the name of the thread?

Is there anything worth to upgrade to KK?
As far as I read, there are some new problems and limitation(for example SD operations), and nothing new (except UI which is doesn't matter for me).
Are there real new features?

LomDiV said:
Is there anything worth to upgrade to KK?
As far as I read, there are some new problems and limitation(for example SD operations), and nothing new (except UI which is doesn't matter for me).
Are there real new features?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
S Note updated to SDK 3 and turning on/off effect changed, also performance and battery improvements

John Shenon Uy said:
S Note updated to SDK 3 and turning on/off effect changed, also performance and battery improvements
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for answer.
It looks like nothing usefull for me.
I'm completely satisfied with "performance and battery" on 4.2.2.
On the other hand I'm using SD a lot.
I'll keep 4.2.2 because I don't see any advantage of 4.4.2

LomDiV said:
Is there anything worth to upgrade to KK?
As far as I read, there are some new problems and limitation(for example SD operations), and nothing new (except UI which is doesn't matter for me).
Are there real new features?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
CivZ rom fixed the sd card issue, and battery life has improved with4.4.2.

sefrcoko said:
CivZ rom fixed the sd card issue, and battery life has improved with4.4.2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, but as I said I'm completely satisfied with "performance and battery" on 4.2.2. .
That is mean after upgrage, root and rom change I'll get the same as I have now.

LomDiV said:
Thank you, but as I said I'm completely satisfied with "performance and battery" on 4.2.2. .
That is mean after upgrage, root and rom change I'll get the same as I have now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Personal choice after all . Just letting you know what some of the improvements are.

sefrcoko said:
Personal choice after all . Just letting you know what some of the improvements are.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Any app out there that can fix it? (With root or without root)

John Shenon Uy said:
Any app out there that can fix it? (With root or without root)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There are many apps that can help the performance and battery life of this device with and without root. Obviously having root will allow certain apps to get down to the system level to make tweaks and changes to the way the system works and how it handles every day operations.
Some of my recommended apps that require root are...
SetCPU - The name says it all, it allows you to change to minimum and maximum clock speeds of the CPU. I leave the minimum at 200Mhz and the maximum at 1000Mhz which I could honestly get by with only 800Mhz since this has 4 cores.
Greenify - This app will allow you to "Greenify" any app that you do not need running in the background at all times. Similar to freezing an app but it can be launched at any time without defrosting. The app will hibernate again when you are not using it.
Xposed Framework - This will allow you to make changes/tweaks to your current setup without actually making any permanent changes. Modules can be enabled and disabled on the fly, simply toggle and reboot and the change is effective immediately. There are hundreds of modules for different things, some may do the same and more than others. Play with them, tweak to your liking. You can't mess anything up using Xposed.
Viper4Android - The best audio engine that I've ever used on any Android device. Want a simple equalizer this is the app for you, want a more complex audio engine this is also the app for you.
Titanium Backup - The number one backup/restore application on the market. Backup your apps and app data before flashing a new rom, restore after flashing. This allows you to save your current data while allowing you to perform a factory reset and doing a clean flash of the new rom to prevent any possible bugs due to old conflicting system data.
Triangle Away - Flash new firmware often? Want to clear your counter? This is a must have app from the great developer Chainfire and it is constantly updated when it needs to be updated.
Mobile Odin - Another must have app if you are flashing anything on your device when using a PC for Odin is just not an option. Flash kernels, recoveries, entire systems. Root the new system during the flashing process, wipe the cache, etc.
Root Explorer - Simply the best root file manager available for Android devices.
Busybox by stericson - If you're rooted you will need the latest busybox for your system.
I can name many more essential root applications but these are among my top must have apps for every rom I use.
Sent from my GT-N5110 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

S Note hasnt changed for me.....is the same SNote I had in 4.2.2
How did you do to update it?

titotito1983 said:
S Note hasnt changed for me.....is the same SNote I had in 4.2.2
How did you do to update it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
S Note Updated, try to take a screenshot using S Pen

[Q] KNOX Warraty Void
Hi guys!
I have one trouble, my N5100 has one Knox warraty void. How to reset it?

You forgot the s-pen offset (inaccuracy) it is like 2 mm from the point. Thanks!!!
Sent from my GT-N5110 using XDA Premium HD app

UltramanKing said:
Hi guys!
I have one trouble, my N5100 has one Knox warraty void. How to reset it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Until now you can not... This flag (i will remain at 1 once triggered) appear when you put a custom recovery, kernel or you root your device via CFAutoRoot.
More info at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
Regards.

[Q&A] No Root? Why? What do you miss about root? Let's find workarounds!

ROUNDUP OF NON-ROOT MODS/APPS/SOLUTIONS​
APPS
1. iFont
It uses the native Flipfont system present in the Note to change fonts. You can install any font from a very big list and if you buy the Donate version (which I highly recommend), you can make an installable apk for any font you want. I have already made and shared Roboto L fonts, Comic Sans and Comic Neue.
2. Adblock Plus
Works on WiFi and (if APN settings are edited) on mobile data, blocks apps on browsers and other apps. An excellent solution for ad-blocking on non-routed phones.
2b. An alternative solution that only works for browsing via WiFi networks is Adguard.
3. SMS Backup & Restore
A free app that can backup and restore your messages, no root required. Works flawlessly, I used to it to backup my SMS on my S4 and restore them to my Note 4.
4. Greenify
As mentioned in this thread, Greenify works without root as well. Automatic hibernation is even an option, albeit some issues with "talking calculator" have been mentioned.
5. My Backup
As mentioned here this app is a feature-rich backup solution for non-rooted phones.
6. SD Maid - System Cleaning Tool
This app attempts to make best possible use of its features without root present. It's a tool that cleans up unnecessary files from your phone that apps leave behind.
7. AutoStart - No root
As the name suggests, this app lets you select which applications you want to auto start after phone boot-up and it works on all phones/tablets without root permission. You can also choose one or multiple apps to auto-launch at boot with customisable delay values.
8. Busybox (No Root)
For advanced users who want to run busybox commands on their phones via the Android Terminal Emulator app.
9. Call Recorder
Call recording app that uses the Samsung standard API therefore does not require root access. It is a bit pricey but well worth the money for people who need that feature. There's a full-featured trial available from XDA so you can try before you buy.
9b. There is also a free alternative that has been reported to work well on the Note 4, AndroRec Free.
9c. Another great free alternative is Automatic Call Recorder, with the added bonus that it can record in better formats, like mp3 or wav, save on the SD card and the option for prompt to "Save or Delete" at the end of every call.
10. NoRoot Firewall
Firewall without root. Host name/domain name filtering, simple interface, fine-grained access control and no suspicious permissions on the app itself.
11. Better Wifi On/Off
A free, fully featured, ad-supported app that aims at giving you the control of the Wifi state, optimizing your battery life without losing on user experience. In theory, Wifi is less power hungry than 3G but some apps behave differently when Wifi is on (DropBox / Google+ uploads, Google Maps location caching) and the well known wlan_rx kernel wakelock is a symptom of wakeups caused by uncontrolled Wifi hotspots. The Wifi sleep policy is not working consistently and does not solve all the above problems, enter this app.
12. Helium - App Sync and Backup
Helium is the missing app sync and backup solution for Android and doe not require root. You can backup both your apps and their data to your SD card or cloud storage and sync them from your other Android devices. You need access to a computer for a brief USB connection and then you're good to go.
13. Desktop VisualizeR
Application that allows you to personalize your home screen by creating icons or widgets with your favorite photos or images, works on any launcher, even TW!
14. FREE screen recorder NO ROOT
Recordable is the easy way to create screen recordings without root. The free version adds a watermark on the recordings and limits frame rate to 8fps, but is otherwise fully functional. A Windows, Mac or Linux computer required to complete the installation (like with Helium Backup), but after this it's not needed to make screen recordings.
MODIFICATIONS
1. Full Screen Immersive Mode
Full screen immersive mode in any application or game, root is not required.
2.Enable AirView and AirGesture
2b. Instead of Nova Launcher, you can use the QuickShortcutMaker app to create any shortcut directly on the Touchwiz launcher.
3. MW-Pen App Enabler
This app that enables apps for multiwindow and/or pen window without rooted access. The only limitations are that it does not work for system apps and that enabled apps can not be updated. To update them, you need to uninstall the enabled app first, install the updated app and run it through the enabler app again.
4. Mont Blanc digital content
A guide on how to get the extra Mont blanc pens for the S Note and the two exclusive Mont Blanc wallpapers and unlock effect..
5. QuickClick
Start any action (flashlight, system toggles, media controls, etc) with a sequence of volume buttons clicks.
6. Spen Toolbox
A wonderful little app that extends the functionality of the S-Pen, by offering options for: turning the screen off when you attach the pen, changing the detach and attach sounds, creating a custom shortcut popup to appear on detach, and many more!
7. No root and want to modify your DPI? You can!
Thanks to PizzaSauce, we have a way to modify DPI without root. All you need is access to a Windows PC. Changes persist after reboot too.
If you don't want to install the whole Android SDK, you could use this tool to install ADB, which is all that is needed for this mod.
Hello all!
I recently got my Note 4 and it's by far the best device I've ever owned.
I started this thread because I decided not to root the phone -at least for now. Even though, I've been rooting and heavily modding all my phones in the past.
My reasons are:
1. Warranty.
I know that you can flash a stock firmware before handing it to service and that KNOX counter doesn't matter (I've had my Note 10.1 with a tripped counter repaired twice under warranty). However, I'd like for once to be able to just send my phone to service if need be, without the extra hassle of concealing the tweaking I've done.
2. S-Pen.
I know that rooting doesn't affect the S-Pen functionality, however, the use of the Pen makes custom ROMS such as AOSP and CM useless to me. I actually use the S-Pen heavily and it was one of the reasons I bought the phone. There are of course custom TW ROMS but to be honest, and with no intention to offend anyone, they are not my cup of tea.
3. Stability.
This one will seem weird to many, but it's my personal experience. This is the 4th Samsung device I own (SGS3, SGS4, Note 10.1, Note 4) and with the previous three I noticed that when I rooted and enthusiastically started "debloating", things started to turn unstable. And I have never, ever noticed any improvement in battery life. I know it sounds odd, but it is true to me. The Note 4 gives you the option to disable a lot of preinstalled apps anyway.
4. Lollipop.
I want to get the update that was meant for my region via OTA, no cables necessary. Plus I believe that all the annoyances I rectified with root (mainly theming, such as Tinted Statusbar) will be solved in Lollipop. Again, that's my opinion and personal taste.
Now do I miss root? Hell, yeah! Why?
1. ADS ADS ADS...
Ads everywhere! I have been paying for my apps and I am not using pirated software at all. And I gladly donate/pay for ads to be removed and premium features for apps I really love. However, there are apps that either don't offer an a ad-free option or they charge an insane amount for ad removal. I know developers need to make revenue, but there's nothing uglier than an ad banner. Seriously.
2. Tinted statusbar.
And generally Xposed.
3. Call recording.
I liked the native call recording function of the TW dialer, no app comes close from what I've seen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hope this thread will be used to discuss unrooted phones and ways to mod your device without root.
Kindly keep in mind that this is not a thread to persuade anyone to root or not -please respect other people's decisions.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

I decided not to root as well. I'm using the note 4 as my backup phone with the oneplus one as my DD. I don't want to root until an option to root without tripping knox is available. I'm very curious to know what options are avaailable to non rooted phones. Thanks for starting this thread. Great idea.

3. Call recording.
I liked the native call recording function of the TW dialer, no app comes close from what I've seen.
Try this app, by an actual XDA dev, it works great. Its very polished, very native looking/behaving app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skvalex.callrecorder
Tested and working great without root.

My reason not to root note4 is lollipop upgrade from ota too
I think this note4 is good enough for me except ads like you said

For me I need root to
- Change the very bad Arabic font
- Use proxy applications
- Be able to stop WifiKill which they use heavily over here
- Use Wanam Xposed mostly for Long press back button to kill App
- Freeze all the useless pre-installed apps I never use eating memory and battery, I need maximum memory for multitasking
- Stop auto startup of other un needed apps
well I guess these may not be important to you

deathshead said:
3. Call recording.
I liked the native call recording function of the TW dialer, no app comes close from what I've seen.
Try this app, by an actual XDA dev, it works great. Its very polished, very native looking/behaving app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skvalex.callrecorder
Tested and working great without root.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, I'll have to try this!
khaeid said:
For me I need root to
- Change the very bad Arabic font
- Use proxy applications
- Be able to stop WifiKill which they use heavily over here
- Use Wanam Xposed mostly for Long press back button to kill App
- Freeze all the useless pre-installed apps I never use eating memory and battery, I need maximum memory for multitasking
- Stop auto startup of other un needed apps
well I guess these may not be important to you
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The font is something I also miss, Roboto has been vastly improved for Lollipop. So I'm waiting for the big update.
EDIT: I figured out a way to change font that doesn't require root, it uses the native Flipfont system present in the Note!
Using the iFont app you can install any font from a very big list and if you buy the Donate version, you can make an installable apk for any font you want! Marvellous!

Nice Thread... main thing i miss in the Adaway..other den that the phone is perfect for me...no lag ..good battery life ..

Teardrop45 said:
Nice Thread... main thing i miss in the Adaway..other den that the phone is perfect for me...no lag ..good battery life ..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is a way for non-rooted phones to block ads only on WiFi though on both WiFi and mobile data connections, using an app called Adblock Plus.
iR¡[email protected]!* from i9505 via Tapatalk 4

Hi guys,
It is my first post although I had been lurking for a while now. Interesting thread, I didn't root my Note 4 as well for all the reasons mentioned above. What I miss most is App Opps or XPrivacy. I find it hard to install all the applications I want to try because of the ridiculous amount of permissions required. Other than that I don't miss much. The phone is pretty awesome.

I was forced to root because I had app data on another device that couldn't be moved, even through ADB.
But, Xposed,Titanium Backup, Adaway , greenify and a few others make rooting well worth the risk (once you know your devices hardware is good ).
Sent from my SM-N910U

Not rooting mine too, my first ever android device to remain stock.
Sent from my SM-N910G using XDA Free mobile app

I would like to stay without root but i really miss viper... Is there any non root way stay get that type of sound improvement?

monkley said:
I would like to stay without root but i really miss viper... Is there any non root way stay get that type of sound improvement?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you tried installing Viper and see if it works? Because a quick Google search gave me these:
If you're using a Samsung device, you're lucky because you actually don't need root to install the Viper4Android! Only thing you need to do is to install the app as usual and change the sound effect in*settings > sound > music effect*to Viper4Android. Be sure you don't use the TouchWiz stock player because it may not work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
...And from the official XDA thread:
Setup your Device
For Samsung devices,
1. Try install V4A as user app instead of system app if the latter failed doesn't work.
2. Use Normal Mode and select V4A FX in Settings>Sound>Music Effects.
3. If don't work, use another player rather than Samsung stock Music.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
iR¡[email protected]!* from i9505 via Tapatalk 4

Jumping on the band wagon here too... I've had many android devices, all rooted; most recently an S4 running CM. The reason I bought the Note was for the stylus and note taking abilities. Very happy with the speed and stability so far in stock form although the battery life sucks. Dropbox was a major drainer so killed that. I need to selective disable some of the other stock apps but so far not really missing much requiring root other than titanium backup...
Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk

sawy3r said:
Jumping on the band wagon here too... I've had many android devices, all rooted; most recently an S4 running CM. The reason I bought the Note was for the stylus and note taking abilities. Very happy with the speed and stability so far in stock form although the battery life sucks. Dropbox was a major drainer so killed that. I need to selective disable some of the other stock apps but so far not really missing much requiring root other than titanium backup...
Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had an S4 running a GPE edition ROM too. I only miss aesthetic modifications, like Tinted Statusbar and other theming elements.
Titanium Backup is also high on my list, however, I found SMS Backup & Restore works perfectly for messages (see OP). That's something!

Thanks for this lovely thread. Getting Adblock without root feels like an early Christmas. Would like to add that "My Backup" backs up SMS and much more without root. It also now backs up to Dropbox which is lovely (at least the Pro version does).

ozaghloul said:
Thanks for this lovely thread. Getting Adblock without root feels like an early Christmas. Would like to add that "My Backup" backs up SMS and much more without root. It also now backs up to Dropbox which is lovely (at least the Pro version does).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I added your suggestion to the OP, thank you very much! :good:
Keep them coming!
Also, if anyone needs any specific installable font, post the .ttf file here and I'll make an apk.

Coming from rooted and heavy used Nexus. Really not missing anything in Notes Not planning to root.
Sent from my SM-N910C using Tapatalk

bat0nas said:
Coming from rooted and heavy used Nexus. Really not missing anything in Notes Not planning to root.
Sent from my SM-N910C using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sometimes heavily modding your phone can become too much and it's nice to let things be once in a while!
I added SD Maid and AutoStart - No root in the OP.

iridaki said:
Titanium Backup is also high on my list, however, I found SMS Backup & Restore works perfectly for messages (see OP). That's something!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out! [emoji2]

Regarding Moto G's battery life and saving tips

My previously phone was just a low budget Xperia X8 but I was used to only have to charge it each 2/3 days with normal usage.
So, after buying the Moto G 2nd Gen and having to charge it twice a day in the first days of usage (heavy usage I must say), I started to try to find ways how I could optimize the battery of my new phone.
I started reading about how what changed with newer versions of Android, the issues lollipop has and the impact services and apps have on the battery life in current versions of Android with the technologies our phone has.
I started looking into tasker and many other apps, and thinking in rooting my phone to have even more control over the battery usage, but even without rooting, I manage to make it last 3 days with normal usage (more than 7 hours on screen time heavy usage).
At that time I was like "Great! Now I only have to charge it once every 3 days just like my old Xperia X8". But then it came to me, my smartphone wasn't actually that smart after all the tweaks I had to make to save its battery.
At that point I started to do lots of tests to check what's really draining the battery and after all those tests now I have a battery that lasts 2/3 days with normal usage while having a true smartphone!
This is what you should do:
Note: I have the model XT1068 and I'm using two sim cards with it, and you'll need the app tasker for a crucial step but you will NOT need root.
_______________________________________________________________________
WHAT YOU SHOULD DISABLE:​
- Disable "Ok Google" detection -> big battery drainer
- Disable the following apps:
Assist
Motorola Alert
Motorola Contextual Services
Motorola Migration
Motorola One Time Init
Motorola Notification
HP print service (you already have google cloud print service)
Motorola Init Services
Help
Motorola One Time Init
You should also disable all the google apps you don't want to use.
- Disable Wifi always on network search
- Disable Wifi every time you are not using it
- Disable Auto-Sync (you'll have auto-sync back in a more smart and efficient way using tasker)
- Disable Ambient Notifications (you already have the notification led to warn you about incoming notifications)
- Disable Audio Effects
- Temporarily enable auto-sync so you could manually disable all the apps you don't need to be synced (ex.: Google Plus, Drive, etc). Disable auto-sync after you are done with the changes.
- Disable all those reports being automatically sent (sorry developers, but that really adds up to the battery usage with multiple apps doing it)
_______________________________________________________________________
WHAT YOU SHOULD ENABLE TO KEEP YOUR PHONE SMART
(Unless you don't ever use it)​
- Enable Bluetooth (Bluetooth 4.0 consumes nearly 0 battery while not paired to a device, even paired it consumes little power with newer devices)
- Enable Mobile Data
- Enable location in high precision mode (it will activate GPS when an app needs it)
- Enable Auto- Brightness (adjust the brightness slider to 60% or less after that, the lower the better)
- Enable notification light
_______________________________________________________________________
SETTINGS AND TIPS​
- If you don't have a really strong 3g sinal switch to 2g mode
- Set the screen to go off after 30 second or 1 minute
- Use a magnetic flip cover so it automatically awakes your device and also automatically makes the screen go off when you close it
- Do not use apps known for their heavy impact on battery !VERY IMPORTANT! ( Use Chrome to access facebook, don't let your online messaging apps be always on, etc.)
- Don't use wifi with a bad signal, well, better said don't use any network with a low signal or else your battery will drain fast. Enable Air plain mode if your network signal is really low.
- Keep your internal storage with >600MB of free storage
- Use only simple methods of unlocking your phone (Don't use anything that uses location services, camera, microphone, etc.)
- Do not let apps being always on using network services like GPS (adjust the app setting so it only uses when you use the app)
- Get rid of any app you installed but don't need
_______________________________________________________________________
Tasker: Making your phone more efficient​
- Create a profile that goes on while you have AC power connected and when it goes on it enables Wi-fi and Auto-Sync, when it goes off it disables those features.
- Create another profile that repeats from the time you wake up until the average time you go to bed, and make it repeat every 2 or more hours (depends on your sync needs). What it should do is enable auto.sync, wait 3 minutes, then disable auto-sync
_______________________________________________________________________
Congratulations now you have a true smartphone with a good battery life!
​
I think I didn't forget about anything, but if I did I will edit this post.

Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.

ksuuk said:
Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone

rbmaster said:
For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ksuuk said:
Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
*Duplicate Thread*
The guide how to get the best possible battery life on your moto g deals with all this and goes into advanced and root methods to reduce battery consumption on your device
Sent from my Moto G XT1068 using Tapatalk

Duck86 said:
*Duplicate Thread*
The guide how to get the best possible battery life on your moto g deals with all this and goes into advanced and root methods to reduce battery consumption on your device
Sent from my Moto G XT1068 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not a duplicate thread. In your guide the goal is to have the best battery life possible but for that it compromises a lot of the features that makes the phone smart, it compromises convenience of use for every 0.01% of battery life possible.
I read it and it's a well written guide but with a very different goal. The goal of this guide is to have a good battery life while having most of the smart features available.

Sorry, you have too much conflicting info in this guide. Having auto brightness enabled certainly doesn't make it a smart phone and definitely not set at 60%. Suggesting having data always on isn't always a good move, especially for those with limited data.
Sent from my GT-P5210 using Tapatalk

Tel864 said:
Sorry, you have too much conflicting info in this guide. Having auto brightness enabled certainly doesn't make it a smart phone and definitely not set at 60%. Suggesting having data always on isn't always a good move, especially for those with limited data.
Sent from my GT-P5210 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Auto = automatically, that's a smart feature, it adjusts the brightness of the screen automatically. Nowadays, the way it is programmed makes it way more battery efficient than before. Adjusting it at a maximum of 60% is just a guideline, but 60% auto brightness is not 60% brightness., the value is just a guideline for the auto brightness algorithm.
About the data always on, having data on doesn't require that much extra power, it only drains more power IF some application requests data. While not the most efficient solution, in Android Lollipop there's no better way to keep feature like auto.sync on without having the data always on, unless you have root access. If you have root access you can set up tasker to automatically enable and disable mobile data when the phone tries to auto.sync and/or when the screen is on.
As I said previously, this is a guide for everyone, no root access required, and the goal is to have the phone with as many smart features on as possible while retaining a good enough battery life. You can have all those features on and still have a good battery life, is it worth to disable most of the features of our phones just to gain a little extra battery life? I mean, if you really want to make your phone's battery last weeks just turn it off ^^'. Now seriously, I have auto-sync for all the features I need, I have location services apps all running fine, I can pair my Bluetooth devices just by turning them on, I can simply open the gps app in my car and it will get signal without me doing anything else, I can take a picture and immediately send to someone over the internet without having to do anything else, and many many other features I have that I wouldn't if I just turned everything off to get a little extra battery. Not worth for me, I want a smartphone, I want to take it out of my pocket and having it ready to use.
Follow this guide and check the difference in battery life it makes, than tell me if it is not worth. Well, for certain profiles I can see it not being worth, I mean if you use your phone primarily for gaming or if you don't use almost any of the feature a smartphone has, I can totally see the point in having them turned off.
Edit: Forgot to talk about the limited data plans. I have a very limited data plan, 500MB per month but communication apps don't have a limit on my data plan (facebook, skype, what's app, snapshot, etc). I never used the 500MB of the mobile data, when wi fi is available I use it and only transfer large files over wifi, so as you can see even 500MB is enough to browse the web and sync my services. If you don't have a data plan or yours not enough for you then you have to choices: 1- Get a data plan suitable for your needs; 2- Disable Mobile Data. Back to the guide, there's people too with limited data plans in their home connections, using wifi, should I tell everyone to have wi fi always turned off because of those people?
If your data plan has limitations, that's something you have to take in mind but has nothing to do with the phone itself. If I have no money for a vehicle, I have to travel by foot, should I tell everyone to travel by foot? I hope you get my point and sorry for the wall of text.

rbmaster said:
It's not a duplicate thread. In your guide the goal is to have the best battery life possible but for that it compromises a lot of the features that makes the phone smart, it compromises convenience of use for every 0.01% of battery life possible.
I read it and it's a well written guide but with a very different goal. The goal of this guide is to have a good battery life while having most of the smart features available.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude, not trying to argue with you here, I'm just saying that everything you've mentioned here is also in my guide. People can pick and choose what they want from it.
rbmaster said:
I have auto-sync for all the features I need, I have location services apps all running fine, I can pair my Bluetooth devices just by turning them on, I can simply open the gps app in my car and it will get signal without me doing anything else, I can take a picture and immediately send to someone over the internet without having to do anything else, and many many other features I have that I wouldn't if I just turned everything off to get a little extra battery. Not worth for me, I want a smartphone, I want to take it out of my pocket and having it ready to use.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can do everything you just said on my phone. I haven't sacrificed any smart capabilities, but I also get 3 days usage from my phone In fact, with tasker, I don't have to do any switching on or off. It does it all for me. That's the point of it, and why it is such a good battery saver.
Sent from my Moto G XT1068 using Tapatalk

Duck86 said:
Dude, not trying to argue with you here, I'm just saying that everything you've mentioned here is also in my guide. People can pick and choose what they want from it.
I can do everything you just said on my phone. I haven't sacrificed any smart capabilities, but I also get 3 days usage from my phone In fact, with tasker, I don't have to do any switching on or off. It does it all for me. That's the point of it, and why it is such a good battery saver.
Sent from my Moto G XT1068 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Following your guide you get: No no bluetooth, no network connection during the night, no location services, no auto-brightness, no possibility to download files over wifi while the screen is off, etc. Of course people could read it and chose only what they want, but then they wouldn't be following your guide.
What I suggest in this guide is a very different approach from yours. In this guide, the goal is to have the most features on as possible, while having a good battery life. The goal of your guide is to have the maximum battery life while the phone is on while maintaining basic functionality.
Different approach, different goal, I don't see how this can be seen as a duplicate.
Edit: Oh, and to follow your guide there's the need to have root access.

rbmaster said:
Following your guide you get: No no bluetooth, no network connection during the night, no location services, no auto-brightness, no possibility to download files over wifi while the screen is off, etc. Of course people could read it and chose only what they want, but then they wouldn't be following your guide.
What I suggest in this guide is a very different approach from yours. In this guide, the goal is to have the most features on as possible, while having a good battery life. The goal of your guide is to have the maximum battery life while the phone is on while maintaining basic functionality.
Different approach, different goal, I don't see how this can be seen as a duplicate.
Edit: Oh, and to follow your guide there's the need to have root access.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why do you need network services when you are asleep? Bluetooth is available whenever you want, just use tasker to automate it. Similarly, use tasker to automate location services. I clearly say in the guide that if you *need* auto brightness you can adjust it to your own specification using gravitybox. Its perfectly easy to download files when the screen is off, just change the the threshold in tasker. Admittedly, I didn't mention that, but If that's the only problem, I can add that into the tutorial
You don't need root access for all of the tutorial. I have a whole section devoted to basic ROM settings, which has everything you have in your op. Plus tasker and greenify sections that don't necessarily need root for everything.
But whatever, you know best.
Sent from my Moto G XT1068 using Tapatalk

Duck86 said:
Why do you need network services when you are asleep? Bluetooth is available whenever you want, just use tasker to automate it. Similarly, use tasker to automate location services. I clearly say in the guide that if you *need* auto brightness you can adjust it to your own specification using gravitybox. Its perfectly easy to download files when the screen is off, just change the the threshold in tasker. Admittedly, I didn't mention that, but If that's the only problem, I can add that into the tutorial
You don't need root access for all of the tutorial. I have a whole section devoted to basic ROM settings, which has everything you have in your op. Plus tasker and greenify sections that don't necessarily need root for everything.
But whatever, you know best.
Sent from my Moto G XT1068 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't understand what's your point. You go into another thread (this thread) and start to make comparisons between your guide and this guide. They are two different guides and in no point I refer to your guide. This is just another guide, and the goal of the guide is clearly explained in the OP. This is not a contest to see who's guide is better as far as I know.
And I'll repeat one more time, to make more advanced automation tasks using tasker (like enabling and disabling network access) you need root access, specially in Android Lollipop. You also need root access for greenify and similar apps. This guide is for everyone, no root required for anything. People see it, and follow if they like. After following they check how their phone is performing. If it's performing to their expectations great, if not they will probably check other guides until they find something they like..
About Bluetooth, I suggest you to read first on how Bluetooth 4.0 works first before arguing about it. You can start here, in the good old Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy

rbmaster said:
For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't have rooted phone and I'm using manually Greenify & Greenify shortcut hibernate & lock to shut down apps, which sometimes automatically starts. As I don't play games, listen music and chat, phone is quite usable with this setup. With KitKat (I think most is the same with LolliPop) I made a list of the disabled apps:
android live wallpapers
aonlt
assist
audio effects
basic daydreams
bowsermessage
bubbles
chrome (using boat browser)
com.android.provider.partber
com.android.wallpaper.holospirit
com.motorola.mesh
com.motorola.multisimsettings
com.motorola.interfaceperm
com.qualcomm.qcom_qmi
configupdates
cqatest
devicemanagement
email (using profimail)
echange services
face unlock
fm radio
gallery (using quickpick)
gmail
google korean keyboard
google launcher config (using apex launcher)
google one time init
google partner setup
google play movies
google play kiosk
google play music
google play games
google play books
google hindy input
google keyboard (using multiling)
google voice
google pinyin input
goole ++
hangouts
help
hp print service plugin
html viewer
iwnn ime
iwnn keyboard
magic smoke wallpapers
market feedback agent
motorola alert
motorola boot services
motorola checkin
motorola contextual services
motorola migrate
motorola notification
motorola one time init
music visulaization wallpapers
oma client provisioning
phasebeam
photo screensavers
picasa uploader
cloudprinting
preset
print spooler
setupwizard
setup
talkback
trusted devices
youtube

I tried this guide and I can confirm that there's is a noticeable increase in battery life. My phone isn't rooted, and all my attempts to keep battery consumption as low as possible in the past resulted in having a phone by far less "smart" than it is now. Many thanks rbmaster .

I really couldn't follow that other guide there were too many applications it was too lengthy, this one really seems to the best, disabled everything I was told + going to download the app tasker.