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OK, so like nearly everyone else on this forum, I'll be first in line for an EVO. This is a beast of a phone, nothing like it (state-side anyway). How long do you think this will last?
What device will leave the EVO in the dust? How long will it's reign last?
Because of the required spec's, I would think that Windows Phone 7 devices will likely be the first to smoke it, specs-wise. However, it seems MS went all Apple-walled-garden with 7, so I don't see WP7 beating this anytime soon. Considering the state of the Windows Marketplace vs Android, I say no competition.
Apple's new iPhone will surely be amazing, software-wise. But again, the walled-garden approach will leave it behind.
Finally, AT&T and Verizon seem at least one year behind Sprint in 4g deployments.
Ideas?
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OK, so like nearly everyone else on this forum, I'll be first in line for an EVO. This is a beast of a phone, nothing like it (state-side anyway). How long do you think this will last?
What device will leave the EVO in the dust? How long will it's reign last?
Because of the required spec's, I would think that Windows Phone 7 devices will likely be the first to smoke it, specs-wise. However, it seems MS went all Apple-walled-garden with 7, so I don't see WP7 beating this anytime soon. Considering the state of the Windows Marketplace vs Android, I say no competition.
Apple's new iPhone will surely be amazing, software-wise. But again, the walled-garden approach will leave it behind.
Finally, AT&T and Verizon seem at least one year behind Sprint in 4g deployments.
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I say 6 months? At least before a significant development, like dualcore processors.
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I say 6 months? At least before a significant development, like dualcore processors.
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Dual core processors are extremely unlikely for at least a year or two. Not only would it make phones that much more expensive to produce, but today's battery technology simply hasn't caught up to the major advances in processor technology. Batteries are struggling to power a single core processor to this very day; said batteries couldn't dream of powering a dual-core phone for any reasonable length of time.
In any case, if the Evo is going to be beaten by another phone, it won't be for a while. The only things that could take it over are the new Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz and Intel Moorestown 1.5 Ghz processors coming later this year. There's absolutely no way a bigger screen size could be even considered, since the Evo is pushing it already. A 4.3 inch AMOLED screen would be quite nice, but not enough on its own to replace the Evo.
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Dual core processors are extremely unlikely for at least a year or two. Not only would it make phones that much more expensive to produce, but today's battery technology simply hasn't caught up to the major advances in processor technology. Batteries are struggling to power a single core processor to this very day; said batteries couldn't dream of powering a dual-core phone for any reasonable length of time.
In any case, if the Evo is going to be beaten by another phone, it won't be for a while. The only things that could take it over are the new Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz and Intel Moorestown 1.5 Ghz processors coming later this year. There's absolutely no way a bigger screen size could be even considered, since the Evo is pushing it already. A 4.3 inch AMOLED screen would be quite nice, but not enough on its own to replace the Evo.
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its actually a 4.3 TFT screen.
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its actually a 4.3 TFT screen.
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Which is why he wasn't talking about the EVO
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Which is why he wasn't talking about the EVO
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yep. very true. my mistake lol, i havent slept today yet.
nope, not CPU's
I agree with the above comments, dual-core CPU's won't become prevalent in mobile devices until batteries improve significantly.
My guess is devices with discrete graphics boards, like the iPhone (has had for years now!), will trump EVO, though only for gaming purposes. I'll stick with a PSP for mobile gaming.
Besides, a 1Ghz+ processor should easily handle any video you can toss at it. My TP2 with a 526 Mhz processor + CorePlayer handles movies saved on my SD card just fine, full-screen.
Maybe truly integrated video calling? Not through a third-party app like Qik, or even Skype (though Skype on the EVO would be awesome), but an actual native function/app on the device. Instead of dialing a username, just dial a number, and if the device is video-capable, you get an option on the screen to answer with voice or video.
It will depend on far to many factors to quantify.
Doo you dig the big display? For those that do perhaps the only devices they will look for in the future will be 4 inch plus in size. Depending on how the evo and hd2 sell we may see many more our we may see less.
Those that want a physical keyboard may not even feel the evo is a contender and may wait for a galaxy s pro to fill their super phone.
The integrated graphics are inferior to the ipwn so those that want 3d gaming will feel the draw of that device or wait for the rumored psp phone.
Processor speed will be trumped probably by the iphone hd and if not then shortly after. The difference will be miniscule but it will get trumped.
storage? Android had lagged most other device for a long time with it's reliance on sd cards hopefully froyo will get more onboard memory like the iphone.
So it will depend on peoples needs as to when the evo gets trumped. For many the evo is far from the best device for them. For many it is totally drool worthy.
Hardware wise, this phone will be hard to beat in the immediate future. From what I understand is that Sprint allows users to upgrade after 1 year (if applicable) so that could be nice.
Only thing I am worried about is getting root or getting 2.2 in a timely fashion. Being a G1 user I haven't had to worry about it since rooting came pretty fast which has allowed me to install pretty much any ROM out there, not having to worry about when I am going to get 1.5 or 1.6 or whatever. I have read on how the Droid or Hero took a couple of months to get 2.1, they get it and then 2.2 is announced. Gingerbread is confirmed to be released sometime Q4 2010, I would hate to get 2.2 right when Gingerbread is announced. I will rage.
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edit: I don't believe the A4 is faster than Snapdragon. I think the test results that are out there is due to the fact that Apple OS is a closed system, it also doesn't multitask. Because it can load pages faster, doesn't mean it is better technically. Until it can be tested on a neutral OS (which won't ever happen), it will never be a good benchmark to compare the two.
christmas some one will release a phone for the holiday rush. its gotta happen. my guess is at&t its probably there turn for the xmas phone of the year.
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I agree with the above comments, dual-core CPU's won't become prevalent in mobile devices until batteries improve significantly.
My guess is devices with discrete graphics boards, like the iPhone (has had for years now!), will trump EVO, though only for gaming purposes. I'll stick with a PSP for mobile gaming.
Besides, a 1Ghz+ processor should easily handle any video you can toss at it. My TP2 with a 526 Mhz processor + CorePlayer handles movies saved on my SD card just fine, full-screen.
Maybe truly integrated video calling? Not through a third-party app like Qik, or even Skype (though Skype on the EVO would be awesome), but an actual native function/app on the device. Instead of dialing a username, just dial a number, and if the device is video-capable, you get an option on the screen to answer with voice or video.
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the SnapDragon dual core processors are more efficient then their single core variants we use now since they use a smaller manufacturing process. find the source yourself, i'm not working that hard.
Hmmm...a source link for that info?
Doesn't matter though - most apps on PC's don't make very good use of multiple cores, and we've had those on desktops for many years now. Will mobile app developers make better use of them, once multi-core mobile devices become prevalent? Some might, others will ignore.
Think about it: what kind of cpu-intensive apps will we run on a mobile platform, that will benefit from multiple cores? No doubt mobile processors will continue to get faster, more cores, more cache, etc., but how much will we really do on a mobile device?
Question: why wouldn't mobile processors top-out the way desktop processors have? Folks can run the same basic apps on today's desktops (word processing, web browsing, email, etc.) as they can on desktops four years old.
Perhaps, as crazytalk states, the real developments in mobile processors will be focus more on efficiency than raw speed.
What say you?
Actually, I would say October, not Christmas. Christmas is usually too hectic for companies to release brand new flagship devices which is what would be needed to supercede the Evo. And I do see a dual core phone coming out around October. I think something is going to surprise everyone in October but that's expected. 6 months is sadly the shelf life for phones these days.
Lets be serious, now there are a lot of people who are going crazy over the iPhone 4..dude Apple releases iphones every year(and this year only being slightly more spec'd then my 6 month old nexus)....ANDROID HAS A WHOLE YEAR TO ADD EVEN MORE FEATURES..i say i feel sorry for apple..just my 2cents
..not to mention even gingerbread is going to be even bigger to me than when the smoke clear, and when even more android phones come out people will see the light...
I agree with you 100% but you got'a luv that video calling, c'mon who doesnt!? thats seriously the only ONE thing that would make me consider selling my Adrond and my hd2 for an iphone, but then I remeber its only on ATT, they haave the luxury of making their plans sooo expensive due to the demand on the iPhone, I dont like that!
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I agree with you 100% but you got'a luv that video calling, c'mon who doesnt!?
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I dont
It's only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and they both have to be on wifi?!
Sounds like crap to me
BTW if you really want video calling without restrictions... get the EVO 4g on sprint and you can call over 3g/4g.
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I agree with you 100% but you got'a luv that video calling, c'mon who doesnt!? thats seriously the only ONE thing that would make me consider selling my Adrond and my hd2 for an iphone, but then I remeber its only on ATT, they haave the luxury of making their plans sooo expensive due to the demand on the iPhone, I dont like that!
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Dude like the other person said its only over wifi for all that if you using your iphone over wifi at home might as well use a computer that's why they call it a "mobile" phone should be able to use that feature anywhere. And when skype release for android it will be amazing.
idk about u but im really getting this iphone 4 for sure....as my ipod/backup phone to my Sexy Nexy
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idk about u but im really getting this iphone 4 for sure....as my ipod/backup phone to my Sexy Nexy
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Heh, funny thing is, I could do the same if I wanted to get locked into a contract honestly. At least, if I wanted a subsidized price.
But honestly, what's the point? I'd rather have everything all on one device.
dont get me wrong, its a cool feature to have video calling, but i honestly dont talk on the phone that much....plus its another way for crazy girlfriends to be nosy ...lmao not that i have that problem
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Lets be serious, now there are a lot of people who are going crazy over the iPhone 4..dude Apple releases iphones every year(and this year only being slightly more spec'd then my 6 month old nexus)....ANDROID HAS A WHOLE YEAR TO ADD EVEN MORE FEATURES..i say i feel sorry for apple..just my 2cents
..not to mention even gingerbread is going to be even bigger to me than when the smoke clear, and when even more android phones come out people will see the light...
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As much as I hate apple, we can't ignore the hardware specs on iPhone 4. I do not see anyone trumping them anytime soon. Android is a good OS, but apple has very capable and quality hardware to go along with their OS and that's where they dominate.
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plus its another way for crazy girlfriends to be nosy ...lmao not that i have that problem
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I can make a gay joke (which may or may not even offend you depending on the team you're on), or a sad, lonely geek joke with this. Tell you what, think of one yourself and pretend I said it.
J/K of course.
arkavat said:
As much as I hate apple, we can't ignore the hardware specs on iPhone 4. I do not see anyone trumping them anytime soon. Android is a good OS, but apple has very capable and quality hardware to go along with their OS and that's where they dominate.
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I hate to say this.. but, by the time apple releases iphone..
Odds are it will only be a few MORE months until either dual core snap dragon OR 1.5 ghz processor.. Some rumors going around about both.
Htc has made phones that have video calln for years..... but honestly whos really gonna walk and talk while stair'n at ur phone lol
Snow_fox said:
I hate to say this.. but, by the time apple releases iphone..
Odds are it will only be a few MORE months until either dual core snap dragon OR 1.5 ghz processor.. Some rumors going around about both.
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First dual-core Snapdragon will be the MSM8260 (the HSPA part will likely lead the CDMA MSM8660). Aside from the modems, they're identical and clock in at 1.2GHz.
Just a bit of a guide:
MSM8x50: 1GHz single core (N1, Desire, Evo, Incredible, etc CPU). Only CPU in teh public now.
MSM8x50A: 1.3GHz single core. Die shrink (same CPU design, but literally shrunk via new technology reducing power consumption and heat output). Due late 2010
MSM8x60: 1.2GHz dual core. LTE support. 1080p decode. support for up to WXGA 1280 x 800 screen resolution. Due late 2010/Early 2011
MSM8x72: 1.5GHz dual core. Support for up to WSXGA screen resolution. (1440 x 9001080p encode/decode, full support for all Mobile TV solutions. MASSIVE overhaul of graphics unit, with it reportedly able to render 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec. Reports have suggested a late 2010 launch, but given that the unit has yet to be mass produced for OEM testing, I don't expect it before 2011.
I wouldn't give up hope that either of the dual-core parts will show up in smartphones. They seem targeted at tablets and smartbooks. It will probably be end of 2011 before we see enough improvements in power consumption to see that kind of performance in a mobile handset.
arkavat said:
As much as I hate apple, we can't ignore the hardware specs on iPhone 4. I do not see anyone trumping them anytime soon. Android is a good OS, but apple has very capable and quality hardware to go along with their OS and that's where they dominate.
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Hmm.. I smell someone who doesn't know what HW means. What HW specs?
Maybe A4 with unknown frequency that was already trashed in its fastest 1GHz form by either overclocked Droid or Nexus + JIT (and will be blown to bits by any future CPU, at least from Qualcomm's line, seeing that currently in its 1GHz form in iPad it's already below the 1.3GHz Snapdragon), and current Samsung CPUs (in Samsung phones) having x3 more powerful graphics (and later Qualcomm CPUs improving the GPU as well)?
Or maybe 5MP camera with LED flash and 720p video recording and front-facing VGA one, that are available in Evo for some time now, and the already-released dual Snapdragon below supporting 1080p encode/decode?
Ah, you mean the display resolution.. in 1/2 year that'll be pushed even further.
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I hate to say this.. but, by the time apple releases iphone..
Odds are it will only be a few MORE months until either dual core snap dragon OR 1.5 ghz processor.. Some rumors going around about both.
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What rumors? It's officially launched, both of them. Here's the dual core:
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-cpu-snapdragon-chipset
There are devices scheduled to appear with it until the end of the year (hoping that they'll actually make it on time). Can't say if there are any phones, though.
again, I had video calling since 2007 over 3g on my N80 and it was free on my 3 network. LoL and now Steve says "BOOM video calling" and all people going crazy about it. Go to Asia or Europe it´s just normal and something you rarely use.
I use that for my personal freedom:
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I dont
It's only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and they both have to be on wifi?!
Sounds like crap to me
BTW if you really want video calling without restrictions... get the EVO 4g on sprint and you can call over 3g/4g.
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Agree that Apples idea of video conferencing is far too limited. If they really wanted to do something right, they could have worked on a standard everyone could have shared, and enabled it regardless of how your are connected.
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Hmm.. I smell someone who doesn't know what HW means. What HW specs?
Maybe A4 with unknown frequency that was already trashed in its fastest 1GHz form by either overclocked Droid or Nexus + JIT (and will be blown to bits by any future CPU, at least from Qualcomm's line, seeing that currently in its 1GHz form in iPad it's already below the 1.3GHz Snapdragon), and current Samsung CPUs (in Samsung phones) having x3 more powerful graphics (and later Qualcomm CPUs improving the GPU as well)?
Or maybe 5MP camera with LED flash and 720p video recording and front-facing VGA one, that are available in Evo for some time now, and the already-released dual Snapdragon below supporting 1080p encode/decode?
Ah, you mean the display resolution.. in 1/2 year that'll be pushed even further.
What rumors? It's officially launched, both of them. Here's the dual core:
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-cpu-snapdragon-chipset
There are devices scheduled to appear with it until the end of the year (hoping that they'll actually make it on time). Can't say if there are any phones, though.
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I think your smell-o-scope is broken. I know a certain professor who can help you
Processor clock speed is just one of the performance parameter of a CPU and on its own means nothing. I will, actually, go further and say, CPU specs alone means nothing to me. It's the total package that counts. I will buy a 2.2GHz thinkpad over 2.6Ghz inspiron laptop and even pay few hundred dollars more. Because I am paying for the whole thing, the chassis, better hard drive, etc... Inspiron cheaps out and thinkpad does not.
Let's go back to phones,
Show me one SINGLE phone that has these specs ( or even any phone that will be launched within a year)
1) Processor capable of doing intense graphics (OpenGL 2.0, HD video)
2) Display with 326 pixel density (Note: resolution alone means nothing. It's pixel density that costs more money)
3) IPS panel. To give you an idea, 24" TN panel costs about $200, IPS $400
4) Tri-axial accelerometer.
5) Triaxial gyroscope
6) 720p video capable camera
7) front facing camera
8) Gorilla class glass
9) Noise canceling mic
10) Pentaband 3G. I travel and i know the importance of it.
11) Wireless n card
these all together are hardware. not just CPU
Let me reiterate my hate of steve jobs and company. However, apple has not cheaped out on this phone and let's appreciate that. I have always said, HTC cheaps out very regularly. I do not think I need to present any proofs of that, search on XDA.
Having said all this, I like my freedom and I will stay with Android. But i will not wear a fanboy hat to defend HTC or google nor will I post rants against them. But please, lets appreciate what other companies are doing good. that too in a socialized manner.
Im gonna move to the iphone 4 inspite losing flash support but getting a high res display nearly like the first webbooks AND hd video recording WITH A SOUND and not this ****y noise/crap audio the nexus one is recording on videos...
whatever guys, i get both!
hahaha
I have to admit the iphone4 is pretty impressive...but its not enough for me to buy one.
I still love my nexus and flash.
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Show me one SINGLE phone that has these specs ( or even any phone that will be launched within a year)
1) Processor capable of doing intense graphics (OpenGL 2.0, HD video)
2) Display with 326 pixel density (Note: resolution alone means nothing. It's pixel density that costs more money)
3) IPS panel. To give you an idea, 24" TN panel costs about $200, IPS $400
4) Tri-axial accelerometer.
5) Triaxial gyroscope
6) 720p video capable camera
7) front facing camera
8) Gorilla class glass
9) Noise canceling mic
10) Pentaband 3G. I travel and i know the importance of it.
11) Wireless n card
these all together are hardware. not just CPU.
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Hmm, I see your point. But I think it's not that simple.
I can show you phones that have subset of the features: 1, 6, 7, 9, 11.
Be surprised, Nexus supports OpenGL 2.0 and HD video (if you mean 720p). So does Evo.
Evo supports 720p and has front facing camera.
I'm sure you know Nexus also has noise canceling mic and wireless N. Evo lacks the mic.
Display DPI, another axle in accelerometer, gyroscope and glass (?) aside - they're advanced. Might be important, might be as needless as noise cancelling mic (the only thing it's good for, it seems, is not allowing people to speak to the phone from a distance). Pentaband is a function of antennas, which might be supported on current HW (need to ask RF people, don't have enough knowledge to tell).
On the other hand, how do you compare lacking features? For example, being so excited about DPI, how do you compare smaller or larger screen sizes - what counts as an advantage? OLED vs IPS paned LCD - for what reason do manufacturers need to go back, Samsung already proved that OLED can be made to work great in direct sunlight? How do you compare lack of HDMI out, weak camera, lack of WiMAX/LTE support, lack of removable battery (for as simple a reason as being capable to execute forced shutdown, for example)?
I'm far from being a fanboy for any technology. It's just technology.
P.S. And even if I dig into specs of future phones that aren't rumored on the net yet, I wouldn't disclose them on the forum, don't you think?
Now we know of HTC's lineup which handset appeals to you?
Lumia 920. As a photographer, I don't think you can beat the camera on the Nokia (judging from the samples shot from the Lumia)
Lumia 920.
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8X because of the screen size, and it might be the only one on my carrier. If the lumia ends up on my carrier it will be a harder decision.
Lumia 920
better screen by a long way
Better camera by a long way
Wireless charging - hope to see car mount with this making a great sat nah
More storage - 16gb of 8x is pathetic fir a flagship esp when the 8s has SD
Nokia apps - esp camera features
Gloves on use - not needed for me but pretty cool
Better battery
Yeah the 8x has beats but that's ruined by 16gb and what else? being .5 mm thinner isn't enough to win it back.
wait. ..for lumia 1000
I voted Lumia 920
If Lumia comes out on my carrier (sales person in Vodafone UK store basically said it wont be coming to them, but Phones4U UK should get it)
If not then HTC 8x
OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.
I don’t know…….. The Ativ has the largest display and appears to have the best specs. The “big 3” all seem to have the same CPU.
I’m partial to HTC devices and I’ve been very happy with my HTC Titan. I may have been spoiled, but I now believe that a 4.7 inch display is probably a minimum perfect size. When we first heard rumors of the new HTC WP8 devices there were to have been three of them, with the “Flagship Device” having a 4.7 inch display. I’m not interested in going smaller, and I assume other Titan users have similar thoughts.
Also, what happened to the hype over WP8 devices having Nokia Maps? Do these new devices even have the new app? There seems to be no mention of it now.
I’m afraid I’m in wait-and-see mode, leaning slightly towards the ATIV for display size.
Where are you HTC? Where’s my big-screen Titan replacement?
For anybody that still isn't decided, WPCentral put together a comparison chart on the different 'Hero' phones. Honestly, after looking at it I may find myself with the Ativ.
6 months ago .....if the boot loader was unlocked, and the drivers open sourced, the 920 that is awesome hardware, from the screen, to CPU, to graphics, to camera.
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OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.
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i dont think i can add to the poll when it is live.
Nokia or HTC for me. Who ever offers a combo deal of Surface and Phone first will get my money.
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None, because none will be available to Sprint. Even more, on Sprint, I'll have to pay the same monthly rate for any WP8 to iPhone 5, so...
unless the HTC one has no LTE
I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.
Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.
All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.
There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.
I really hope to see something bigger and better from HTC soon.
Q: Do the HTC and Samsung devices come with Nokia Maps?
Q: Is the big battery in the ATIV removable?
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I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.
Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.
All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.
There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.
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While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.
Samsung announced a new LPDDR3 which should be in phones next year. More storage less power consumption and faster!
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While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.
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Good point. I hadn't put the "X" thing together.
I'm really expecting more from HTC.
Thanks!
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wait. ..for lumia 1000
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I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.
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I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.
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Quad core is just not needed for this OS. It would be more of a battery drainer if anything. Am so glad they have only put two core CPUs.
I like the Nokia 920 the most out of all that we have seen so far.
The ativ s also looks good. I like the HTC designs but I'm not so sure about HTC devices anymore. They seem to always suffer from some sort of build quality issue.
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Although my eye is on the 1020, its July and other than the 925 and 1020 Lumias there isn't any other new wp8 hardware being announced, HTC has been particularly quiet, I am satisfied (and I use that term loosely) with my ativ s but am bored and have no other new coming hardware to research over or dream about SIGHS
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There was an unofficial announcement / leaked certification documents and photos / whatever about a new ATIV phone from Samsung... frankly though, I'm not sure that I can trust them to support these phones properly. My ATIV S definitely has firmware issues, and they've gone unpatched for over seven months now...
I would like to see more hardware from HTC, and ideally see LG get back into the game and possibly even Sony/Ericsson (not that I'd buy anything SOny, mind you, but competition is good). Motorola is basically a zero-chance, but there could still be a pretty good ecosystem without them.
Sigh as good as the ATIV S is, the lack of support really bites, but I am getting a lot of use with the removable battery and expandable storage, I am eyeing the 1020 but an international version so that I can continue with my unlimited data plan with at&t, I briefly had an unlocked HTC radar and they detected that as a smart phone after several months I was shocked! I do want a Nokia but are they ever going to release a premium phone with a larger than 4.5" screen removable battery and expandable storage? Come on already Nokia!
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here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/sprint-announc...tiv-s-neo-windows-phone-8-devices-7000017332/
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here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/sprint-announc...tiv-s-neo-windows-phone-8-devices-7000017332/
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Those two phones are really lackluster compared to what nokia brings to the table...
Lumia 820 blows them both out of the water...
@mcosmin222: Yeah, a 4.3" 800x480 screen totally "blows them both out of the water"... WHAT?!? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, aside from that (relatively) POS of a screen, the 820 is a good phone, but that display is damn-near minimum spec for WP7, never mind WP8. Its battery is also substantially smaller than that of the ATIV S and non-removable (wireless charging is a nice perk even if you have to pay extra for it, but when I'm home I plug my phone in all the time anyhow; it's faster anyhow).
I'm not quite sure where the ZDNet author gets "mid-range" and not a "flagship" out of those models... the 8X was the flagship WP8 device at its reveal, and the 8XT looks to be mostly an upgrade on that, while on many specs the ATIV S (including "Neo") is *still* the best-specced model: largest display, most storage (16GB + uSDXC vs. 8GB + uSDXC for the 820), largest battery (2300mAh, and yet it's both replaceable and in one of the thinnest WP8 models), 1.9MPx front-facing camera (Nokia does better rear cameras, but their front ones are an afterthought). I'll grant that these phones seem to have their clock speed slightly stepped down, and the 1020 pushed the bar for RAM (not that WP8 has a huge use for excess RAM...), but these are still decidedly high-end phones and if they don't count as "flagship" tier then nothing except the 1020 does.
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@mcosmin222: Yeah, a 4.3" 800x480 screen totally "blows them both out of the water"... WHAT?!? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, aside from that (relatively) POS of a screen, the 820 is a good phone, but that display is damn-near minimum spec for WP7, never mind WP8. Its battery is also substantially smaller than that of the ATIV S and non-removable (wireless charging is a nice perk even if you have to pay extra for it, but when I'm home I plug my phone in all the time anyhow; it's faster anyhow).
I'm not quite sure where the ZDNet author gets "mid-range" and not a "flagship" out of those models... the 8X was the flagship WP8 device at its reveal, and the 8XT looks to be mostly an upgrade on that, while on many specs the ATIV S (including "Neo") is *still* the best-specced model: largest display, most storage (16GB + uSDXC vs. 8GB + uSDXC for the 820), largest battery (2300mAh, and yet it's both replaceable and in one of the thinnest WP8 models), 1.9MPx front-facing camera (Nokia does better rear cameras, but their front ones are an afterthought). I'll grant that these phones seem to have their clock speed slightly stepped down, and the 1020 pushed the bar for RAM (not that WP8 has a huge use for excess RAM...), but these are still decidedly high-end phones and if they don't count as "flagship" tier then nothing except the 1020 does.
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Well, I wouldn't consider the Lumia 928 to be flagship either. The phone's screen is quite nice, but the storage is only 32GBs with only 20GBs usable, the battery is 2000 mAh with wireless charging (who is going to pay ~$80 USD for a wireless charging pad or $140? for the JBL speaker with wireless charging?) that isn't interchangeable, the cameras are quite exceptional (without looking at the 1020 being AT&T exclusive) and what exactly needs the extra ram? I haven't used any apps that have seemingly taken a long time to process or seem to stutter onscreen.
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@mcosmin222: Yeah, a 4.3" 800x480 screen totally "blows them both out of the water"... WHAT?!? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, aside from that (relatively) POS of a screen, the 820 is a good phone, but that display is damn-near minimum spec for WP7, never mind WP8. Its battery is also substantially smaller than that of the ATIV S and non-removable (wireless charging is a nice perk even if you have to pay extra for it, but when I'm home I plug my phone in all the time anyhow; it's faster anyhow).
I'm not quite sure where the ZDNet author gets "mid-range" and not a "flagship" out of those models... the 8X was the flagship WP8 device at its reveal, and the 8XT looks to be mostly an upgrade on that, while on many specs the ATIV S (including "Neo") is *still* the best-specced model: largest display, most storage (16GB + uSDXC vs. 8GB + uSDXC for the 820), largest battery (2300mAh, and yet it's both replaceable and in one of the thinnest WP8 models), 1.9MPx front-facing camera (Nokia does better rear cameras, but their front ones are an afterthought). I'll grant that these phones seem to have their clock speed slightly stepped down, and the 1020 pushed the bar for RAM (not that WP8 has a huge use for excess RAM...), but these are still decidedly high-end phones and if they don't count as "flagship" tier then nothing except the 1020 does.
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HTC 8XT has a dual core 1.4Ghz (compared to 1.5 from HTC 8x), has the same 480x800 resolution as lumia 820. The only upgrade it brings over htc 8x is the SD card slot.
HTX 8xT is made to compete directly with lumia 820.
Ativ S neo: same stuff, only it has a higher resolution screen, a bigger screen and ofc a bigger battery(to compensate for bigger screen with bigger resolution)
Lumia 820 will probably still look better because of infinite contrast thing and have better battery life because of lower screen size+res.
So yes, for the first time ever, I agree with Zdnet, they are mid range.
Ah - I didn't see that they'd stepped down the resolution on the 8XT; my bad. The 8x has 1280x720. On the other hand, the 8XT still has the better front-facing camera and speakers than the Lumia 820; I'll grant that they're both mid-range (because of that screen, mostly).
I'm really curious what you think qualifies the ATIV S (Neo or otherwise) as mid-range, though. It's not the display; larger viewable area and higher DPI than the mid-range phones is a definite upgrade, and "the infinite contrast thing" is just an attempt to make LCD do what AMOLED does naturally, so no, the 820 doesn't win there either (also, for those of us with actually good vision, the higher DPI really does matter). It is trivially lower resolution than the 920 or 1020, but I really do mean trivially. It's not the processor, unles shaving 0.1GHz off the CPU speed of the fastest phone for this OS drops it to "mid-range". It's not the RAM; the only reason the 1020 has that huge amount of RAM is so it can work with 41MPx images; most of the time it won't even be possible to use that much due to OS limitations, It's not the front-facing camera. It might be the rear camera, which is good but nothing special, I guess? (On the Neo), it just might be the battery; they put a slightly smaller battery in it than is in the ATIV S. Except, oh wait, it's still one of the highest-capacity batteries for WP8, tied with the Lumia 1020.
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Ah - I didn't see that they'd stepped down the resolution on the 8XT; my bad. The 8x has 1280x720. On the other hand, the 8XT still has the better front-facing camera and speakers than the Lumia 820; I'll grant that they're both mid-range (because of that screen, mostly).
I'm really curious what you think qualifies the ATIV S (Neo or otherwise) as mid-range, though. It's not the display; larger viewable area and higher DPI than the mid-range phones is a definite upgrade, and "the infinite contrast thing" is just an attempt to make LCD do what AMOLED does naturally, so no, the 820 doesn't win there either (also, for those of us with actually good vision, the higher DPI really does matter). It is trivially lower resolution than the 920 or 1020, but I really do mean trivially. It's not the processor, unles shaving 0.1GHz off the CPU speed of the fastest phone for this OS drops it to "mid-range". It's not the RAM; the only reason the 1020 has that huge amount of RAM is so it can work with 41MPx images; most of the time it won't even be possible to use that much due to OS limitations, It's not the front-facing camera. It might be the rear camera, which is good but nothing special, I guess? (On the Neo), it just might be the battery; they put a slightly smaller battery in it than is in the ATIV S. Except, oh wait, it's still one of the highest-capacity batteries for WP8, tied with the Lumia 1020.
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Oh well, we will call it even.
Ativ S neo is high end, the other mid end (it will probably still not have an equalizer)
and btw, the 820 has removable battery+ super-sensitive touchscreen (which comes in handier than higher res display imo)
Although im a windows phone fanboy I have been very bored by the lack of updates and hacks and new devices other than nokia
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Do the other Beatz Audio (or whatever it's called) phones not have equalizers? It was an option all the way back on the HD7 (Sound Enhancer app).
I tend to feel that the touchscreen on my phone is almost *too* sensitive, but I don't live in a part of the world where people need to wear gloves much (and ski gloves are too thick for the 920 and presumably also 820 anyhow).
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Do the other Beatz Audio (or whatever it's called) phones not have equalizers? It was an option all the way back on the HD7 (Sound Enhancer app).
I tend to feel that the touchscreen on my phone is almost *too* sensitive, but I don't live in a part of the world where people need to wear gloves much (and ski gloves are too thick for the 920 and presumably also 820 anyhow).
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Yeh HTC has equalizer. The ativ does not.
Where I come from, super sensitive touchscreen comes in very, very handy.
My Nokia 521 is all over both those phones! Jk
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My eye is on an international 1020 so I can keep my unlimited data plan with at&t, im also very concerned about losing my Microsoft YouTube app, I have the xap and a dev unlock account but so far no one has been able to de encrypt marketplace apps and any talk of that, people start freaking out about piracy, I just don't want to give this app up when I switch phones, I seriously use it all the time
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My eye is on an international 1020 so I can keep my unlimited data plan with at&t, im also very concerned about losing my Microsoft YouTube app, I have the xap and a dev unlock account but so far no one has been able to de encrypt marketplace apps and any talk of that, people start freaking out about piracy, I just don't want to give this app up when I switch phones, I seriously use it all the time
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Why would you lose your Microsoft Youtube app if you buy a windows phone?
Because the app is no longer available in the marketplace and the xap cannot be side loaded
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Because the app is no longer available in the marketplace and the xap cannot be side loaded
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You realize the official "youtube app" is just a web browser in disguise, which connects automatically to youtube?
No I am talking about the I'll fated Microsoft YouTube app that was pulled after google threw a hissy fit, it has a beautiful modern metro ui, NO ADS, and you can download videos as well as play videos not intended for mobile, its better than sliced bread
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No I am talking about the I'll fated Microsoft YouTube app that was pulled after google threw a hissy fit, it has a beautiful modern metro ui, NO ADS, and you can download videos as well as play videos not intended for mobile, its better than sliced bread
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I'll make ya one after im done with my curent project lol xD
This new release is coming at a good moment, knowing the fact that the holidays are around the corner.
Now, probably many customers forgot the last high-end phone from Microsoft. It was approximately two years ago when the tech company has released one of its greatest phones, but that device actually has a Nokia logo on. Now, Microsoft has decided to release a new phone that it hopes to have a huge success on the market.
The new Microsoft Lumia 950 will enter into a direct fight with iPhones and Android devices.
How is it going to do that?
With a powerful processor, capable camera, a high-resolution screen and many other interesting features that are also found on famous smartphones.
Moreover, another interesting fact is that this model is the first version that runs the latest Windows 10 operating system. The new Windows 10 is a solid competitor to all mobile operating systems, including iOS and Android.
Furthermore, this new operating system is one of the biggest achievement for Microsoft, as it will manage to gather all devices, like PCs, tablets and smartphones.
To be added that Microsoft developers are hoping that Windows 10 will finally attract the attention to their operating system. After all, this new operating system comes with some unique features that customers will not find on Google’s or Apple’s systems.
So, Microsoft has launched its new phone this is also the first device that comes with the new operating system.
Will customers be attracted by this new device?
They probably will, because it is not a bad phone and it also has some good features. But, even if it has an incredible hardware that will not be the main story, as Windows 10 will be the star here. As for design, the new Microsoft Lumia 950 has approximately the same design as any other Lumia model. It is made of plastic and feels a little bit bulky.
The new Microsoft Lumia 950 has the starting price of approximately 600 dollars, meaning that it is more expensive than Google’s Nexus 6P and costs approximately as much as iPhone 6S. It will be a hard mission for Microsoft Lumia 950 to stand out among all these high-end smartphones.
However, the new Microsoft phone comes with a powerful processor, Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 808, accompanied by 3GB of RAM and 32GB of internal storage and a microSD slot for users who want to expand the memory. As for the battery, the new Lumia 950 comes with a big battery, 3,000mAh, featuring wireless and quick charging features.
Users don’t have to worry about the 5.2-inch display, because it comes with a high number of pixels, Quad HD resolution. On the back there is a 20 megapixels camera, while on the front users will find a 5-megapixel wide-angle camera. Both cameras are very good, making fine photos.
I bought the 950XL. THough the phone specs is high, it is MISERABLY VERY SLOW in apps loading - 9/10 apps doesn't even load immediately
I retested installing the apps onto internal memory - the improvement is only slightly better
I would say overall app loading speed is even worse than my other 640XL ( on Windows 10 too)
A very big disappointment to me
Any of my other Android thrumps it flat in app loading and overall performance : Nexus 6P, LG V10
The devices were released before the OS is near finished. In effect, Windows 10 Insider Preview for Hardware.
This is no issue for me but might be for 'normal' users. I've been a happy 950XL beta tester since the first day of release.
It should only get better with time as the OS matures, hopefully more developers will get on board with the Universal apps.
I bought my Lumia 950 and bern using it for a couple of weeks now. I just love this phone -it's silky smooth and love the look and display. Windows 10 OS is still a work in progress, but no major issues so far.
Its so refreshing to use this phone coming from the boeing ios or android. I use my phone mainly for business. Talk txt email and browsing and it does these perfectly. Email Is brilliant - its as good as blackberry for emaila which is a major plus.
I'd recommend anyone to try this. If you don't like it u can always return it.
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I got given a 950 XL from work and well meh. for the price point it's pretty much pointless.
Sure it has spec but what good are they when no one can be bothered to write apps for the thing when they already have to keep up with iOS & Android as it is?
I tried to install google play services tonight so I could install my google apps off my OnePlus and found out that Astoria was pulled from the latest build of win10 mobile so i'm not even able to do that apparently.
Sad it's such a walled garden. I kinda feel bad that our company spent around £500 for each XL they had bought us.