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Hello I have just recently began looking into the idea of a UMPC. I look at the stats on these and they seem decent at least some of them with 1 gig of ram and what not. Can these devices function as a laptop/desktop/pda replacement or have they not made it that far yet?

Device is intresting but it is no voice capable and no built GPS
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/26/htc-shift-the-cellphone-company-finally-goes-umpc/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsItEPFEn8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK3VAAm1GrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuNOV2StRog

if you want an UMPC and you want voice, then you may like the HTC X9500 (AKA "Shangri-la")

pbocsak said:
if you want an UMPC and you want voice, then you may like the HTC X9500 (AKA "Shangri-la")
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It has now been confirmed that the shift can make voice calls.
See the thread in the Athena forum for a link to a new video showing the phone pad on the shift.

ive seen a UMPC with the built in GPS and the voice functionality. Im just asking if this can run all the programs that a pc can. Like will i be able to active snyc a PPC. I have stumbled upon an interesting site that has quite a bit of affordable UMPCs...
http://www.dynamism.com/htc-shift/pricing.shtml
Shift is a bit pricey on this site.

Hell no!
It's a glorified comms device - that's all.
If you think even a little bit that it can replace even a fraction of your PC usage, you're gonna be very dissapointed and waste a ton of cash.
Office apps are extremely limited, and non-PPC software is simply a no-no.
This was much covered in the days of the Universal, and things have not improved much I'm afraid.
Forget it! Can't be clearer.

"Office apps are extremely limited, and non-PPC software is simply a no-no."
if it's running vista non ppc software should be no prob
of cause aero would not work nor any apps which required any kind of directx stuff

HELLO
Rudegar said:
"Office apps are extremely limited, and non-PPC software is simply a no-no."
if it's running vista non ppc software should be no prob
of cause aero would not work nor any apps which required any kind of directx stuff
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yes it does run areo and will be able to hack a full wm6 not me but other developers will be able to it will be a great device full vista wm6 phone and maybe gps no one has confired that or not yet !!

spzero said:
yes it does run areo and will be able to hack a full wm6 not me but other developers will be able to it will be a great device full vista wm6 phone and maybe gps no one has confired that or not yet !!
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do you really think it will make WM6 and phone working ? I'm so sad to see that there is no ability to receive and give calls... and no ability to have WM applications .. it's so sad that the "fake WM6" is just like a wallpaper and a mail reader and nothing more

koala996 said:
do you really think it will make WM6 and phone working ? I'm so sad to see that there is no ability to receive and give calls... and no ability to have WM applications .. it's so sad that the "fake WM6" is just like a wallpaper and a mail reader and nothing more
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just check out the athena upgrading forums and read the thread on shift making phone calls

Even if it does not make phone calls out of the box, It will probably be hackable after a few weeks.
If HTC decided to put SnapVue because of marketing reason, there should be a full rom floating somewhere. It's impossible they didn't try one at first stage of development.
If it's for technical reason, then the problem certainly lie in the component sharing between the PPC part and vista. These component are:
Wifi: Must be shared and will probably be a problem to activate on both side. We must find a way to alternate it's switch.
Bluetooth: Same as wifi, but may support dual access as bluetooth can set up multiple connections
GPS: If it's desactivated, there will be the same work as for the artemys hopefully
SnapVue is a WM6 system trying to limit itself. It's not a real operating system build from ground. I'm sure it is crying to go back to normal WM6 state once we add the necessary system files.

thaihugo said:
Even if it does not make phone calls out of the box, It will probably be hackable after a few weeks.
If HTC decided to put SnapVue because of marketing reason, there should be a full rom floating somewhere. It's impossible they didn't try one at first stage of development.
If it's for technical reason, then the problem certainly lie in the component sharing between the PPC part and vista. These component are:
Wifi: Must be shared and will probably be a problem to activate on both side. We must find a way to alternate it's switch.
Bluetooth: Same as wifi, but may support dual access as bluetooth can set up multiple connections
GPS: If it's desactivated, there will be the same work as for the artemys hopefully
SnapVue is a WM6 system trying to limit itself. It's not a real operating system build from ground. I'm sure it is crying to go back to normal WM6 state once we add the necessary system files.
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wow u guys are living under rocks or something? the athena's snapvue is like the htc home plugin. go into the athena mobile 6 forum. i have it included as a addon for the athena. the athena will have a phone AND gps. yes me and oli have access to the rom. has been mentioned before. no you can't have it. it can go back to normal wm6. disable the plugin in settings and change the tsk. you can also get the menu back and stuff. this can be done by i guess running the cab for athena. the original cab we made during development had the startmenu and all gone. it was built into the dlls to hide softkeys and start menu. if u run the cab i believe all will be back. if u guys want a rom for shift. u know where to find me.

pbocsak said:
if you want an UMPC and you want voice, then you may like the HTC X9500 (AKA "Shangri-la")
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aka shift

Pawel062 said:
wow u guys are living under rocks or something? the athena's snapvue is like the htc home plugin. go into the athena mobile 6 forum. i have it included as a addon for the athena. the athena will have a phone AND gps. yes me and oli have access to the rom. has been mentioned before. no you can't have it. it can go back to normal wm6. disable the plugin in settings and change the tsk. you can also get the menu back and stuff. this can be done by i guess running the cab for athena. the original cab we made during development had the startmenu and all gone. it was built into the dlls to hide softkeys and start menu. if u run the cab i believe all will be back. if u guys want a rom for shift. u know where to find me.
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well..... I'm not 100% convinced by everything .. the Shift I have used does not show anything in the SnapVue ... no IE, no explorer, ... nothing to be able to download a cab or to install a cab... maybe synchronizing ? but I think that it can't be synchronized ...... so how? .. I have seen 2 shifts and both were not able of reading SMS and receiving or giving a call.
I will keep tune in this thread since the phone is out this month .. and will see how it works for others... I hope we will be able to put a phone on it and GPS and anything else.... but I think even without that the HTC SHIFT issss the best choice for a small notebook and it is clearly THE BEST CHOICE for an umpc.

koala996 said:
well..... I'm not 100% convinced by everything .. the Shift I have used does not show anything in the SnapVue ... no IE, no explorer, ... nothing to be able to download a cab or to install a cab... maybe synchronizing ? but I think that it can't be synchronized ...... so how? .. I have seen 2 shifts and both were not able of reading SMS and receiving or giving a call.
I will keep tune in this thread since the phone is out this month .. and will see how it works for others... I hope we will be able to put a phone on it and GPS and anything else.... but I think even without that the HTC SHIFT issss the best choice for a small notebook and it is clearly THE BEST CHOICE for an umpc.
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idk are u reading what i said correctly? I dont need to put phone or gps on it. IT HAS IT!! like i said if u run the cab it should open the windows up to have a start menu and all that. internet explorer and all that are in the phone. maybe they want u though to only have in wm6 what isnt in vista. if u think about it vista has ie and all that.

Pawel062 said:
idk are u reading what i said correctly? I dont need to put phone or gps on it. IT HAS IT!! like i said if u run the cab it should open the windows up to have a start menu and all that. internet explorer and all that are in the phone. maybe they want u though to only have in wm6 what isnt in vista. if u think about it vista has ie and all that.
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i'm not talking about ADDING a phone or a gps ... but about downloading "THE" cab you are talking about... and installing this cab.. I have used the Shift a little .. and it seems that there is no way to access the SnapVue ... just use the snapvue.. but impossible to see something behind it ... no explorer, no I.E. ... and I think that it can't be synchronized with a computer.

surely it would be possible to hard reset the snapview side and before customizations take place and install sbnap view soft reset then use total commander to get any other cabs from the extended rom that we need ??? (but ive not seen even a sample unit in the flesh i assume this is do_able?)

spzero said:
surely it would be possible to hard reset the snapview side and before customizations take place and install sbnap view soft reset then use total commander to get any other cabs from the extended rom that we need ??? (but ive not seen even a sample unit in the flesh i assume this is do_able?)
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Sorry to bust your bubble but SnapVue is a part of the ROM... but so long as the device will happily sync away with Activesync, we should be in business.

Olipro said:
Sorry to bust your bubble but SnapVue is a part of the ROM... but so long as the device will happily sync away with Activesync, we should be in business.
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Hey no problem just hope it can be cracked and hacked away at till we get a usable device

I want to buy one... is it avalible yet. i saw something about it being released in europe already...

N1 using as Webcam

Hi,
on my Wm Phone I could use the phonecam as a webcam over BT or USB Cable does this work with my n1?

audino said:
Hi,
on my Wm Phone I could use the phonecam as a webcam over BT or USB Cable does this work with my n1?
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ORB Live will do that and than some for $9.99

oklahomatulsa said:
ORB Live will do that and than some for $9.99
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there is no word about be able to do webcamera on a windows pc with the phone... sorry orb live wont do it
i would like to use the nexus one as a webcamera for my laptop and viewing webcams on the n1...

I've done it with orb... no problem.
Make sure you set up their latest edition and use it through the web browser. Their app sucks... through the browser its free

I can see how you can use a PC Webcam and bring it to the N1 using this software, but I really don't see how to do the opposite.
How do I use the N1 as the webcam that's viewable on a PC?

qik anybody?

aad4321 said:
google it. i know there is a dev out there who has a working on on 1.6. He hasent done 2.1 yet because he does not have a N1 to test with. currently i do not believe their is an app or way to do this yet
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I have "googled it". What search terms would you suggest to get some relavent results? When I do searches I typically end up with two hits that at first seem like they might be useful. The first goes to google's forum and is worthless... the next one links to this very thread.
Two different people here have said they've done it with orb... it's pretty reasonable to ask them how they did it since doing searches on orb's site don't give anything fruitful.

audino said:
there is no word about be able to do webcamera on a windows pc with the phone... sorry orb live wont do it
i would like to use the nexus one as a webcamera for my laptop and viewing webcams on the n1...
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http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/02/orb-live-app-review/

oklahomatulsa said:
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/02/orb-live-app-review/
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Why do you keep posting off topic?
Let's start over and read the question being asked and see if there's a solution.
We all know that Orb will let you stream a webcam that's connected TO YOUR PC to your phone.
That is NOT what we're trying to accomplish.
We'd like to be able to (as the thread states) "N1 using as a webcam" Use the N1's built in camera to stream live video to another place.
I would like to be able to set the phone down, aim it's camera at something and then have someone else... PC across the planet... whatever... be able to see what the phone is aimed at.
Does anyone know how to do that?

mikebeatrice said:
Why do you keep posting off topic?
Let's start over and read the question being asked and see if there's a solution.
We all know that Orb will let you stream a webcam that's connected TO YOUR PC to your phone.
That is NOT what we're trying to accomplish.
We'd like to be able to (as the thread states) "N1 using as a webcam" Use the N1's built in camera to stream live video to another place.
I would like to be able to set the phone down, aim it's camera at something and then have someone else... PC across the planet... whatever... be able to see what the phone is aimed at.
Does anyone know how to do that?
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Look at what I found on the market yesterday:
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.usbwebcam-application-wCCC.aspx
Haven't tested. Enjoy

tokyomonster said:
Look at what I found on the market yesterday:
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.usbwebcam-application-wCCC.aspx
Haven't tested. Enjoy
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Now that's what I'm talkin about. Good find. Will try out and report back.
*edit* This must have been removed from the market. I even went to the publisher's page on the phone and clicked the market link they have there and it takes you to a "no matches" page... boo...
do you still have the 0.4 apk?

mikebeatrice said:
Now that's what I'm talkin about. Good find. Will try out and report back.
*edit* This must have been removed from the market. I even went to the publisher's page on the phone and clicked the market link they have there and it takes you to a "no matches" page... boo...
do you still have the 0.4 apk?
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I do. I'll rip it when I get home if I remember, but you'll also need a software client on the PC side which I do not have.
Looks like it's still here though: http://www.placaware.com/?page_id=6

tokyomonster said:
I do. I'll rip it when I get home if I remember, but you'll also need a software client on the PC side which I do not have.
Looks like it's still here though: http://www.placaware.com/?page_id=6
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Yea, that's the point I'm at... I wonder why they took it down.
The only issue I'm seeing is that they say it only gets 3fps... that ... kinda sucks.
*edit* and thanks for grabbin the apk off your phone later.. I appreciate it.

Another issue I'm having, and maybe it's just because I don't have it attached to a computer yet, but everything is rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise on my n1 and a portion of the bottom mirrors the image.

[B]Running Windows 7 ( for pc) on HD2 [/B]

hello guys,
could someone explain me this?
youtube.com/watch?v=pUK4rnQk9lY
i can't find any programs/emulators/rom to run this..
i really want to put this on my HD2
regards,

If had to guess I would say its Remote Desktop.. but VNC does not allow video streaming that clear..

world705 said:
If had to guess I would say its Remote Desktop.. but VNC does not allow video streaming that clear..
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its running through usb, maybe that speeds it up? (the charging light is on)

samsamuel said:
its running through usb, maybe that speeds it up? (the charging light is on)
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That would make sense.

rp-x1 said:
That would make sense.
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but how he did it?
like an secondary screen and he puts hid HD2 as number 1?

Idea for a cool Winmo App: Trackpad

Hey guys,
I don't know if this has been tried or thought of. My mouse just died, and am waiting for it to charge, and I thought, hmm, it would be great if I could use my HD2 touch screen as a giant trackpad for my PC. The idea would be that you connect your HD2 to the computer via bluetooth or usb, and then launch this trackpad app which would really just give you a screen like what I have attached and then you have a trackpad! I know the app will be pretty useless for most cases, but it could be a cool replacement for some people.
Just a thought...

program called gremote lets you do just that . ....

watcher64 said:
program called gremote lets you do just that . ....
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Awesome! Thanks for the info

No problem, Gremote , there is a older free version, works over wifi, and bluetooth, very nice fun to play with ...
It really does work nice ...
Be sure to google it and find the home page, there are some cabs floating around but they only have the phone part not the part that needs to run on the PC ...

wifii?? are u sure?,................i thought it only works by bluetooth

pakure said:
wifii?? are u sure?,................i thought it only works by bluetooth
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Nope I have the older free version and it uses wifi.. You have to install a client on the PC.

Screen Sharing for Honeycomb

Hello,
Does anyone no of any way to do screensharing on a device that has honeycomb?
thanks
Jason

what exactly do you mean by screen sharing? Do you mean having two or more apps on the screen at once? If so, then no, that is not currently possible.

No, I mean I have someone that has problems with their device and I want to troubleshoot from a distance through some remote access program.
They exist for PC/MAC. Trying to find solution for Android

oh, I see. that would be nice.. haven't heard of anything like this yet though

You mean remote desktop connection? I know you can sideload TeamViewer which allows you to control Mac OSX or Windows 7 computer from your Android device, don't know if its tablet optimized yet or not.

See if WebKey works on honeycomb. I don't have a Tab yet, but use it all the time for demoing apps/giving presentations from my android.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I thought someone was deving a VNC for Android. The current beta has a lot of problems and doesn't work really well..but I think it'll get there eventually.
Until then there's no easy way to remote to a Android "desktop" yet.

LogMeIn
LogMeIn works great (logmein.com)

tjmehta said:
LogMeIn works great (logmein.com)
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yea but I think they want to remote access another android device.....not a computer

jvalal said:
No, I mean I have someone that has problems with their device and I want to troubleshoot from a distance through some remote access program.
They exist for PC/MAC. Trying to find solution for Android
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if you want to view someone else's screen, i'd definitely recommend the join.me app.
i'm actually looking for the opposite... how to share my android screen with others

jvalal said:
Trying to find solution for Android
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How deep are your pockets????
https://secure.logmeinrescue.com/
https://secure.logmeinrescue.com/HelpDesk/MobileSupport.aspx?wt.ac=RescueHomepage-Mobile

smaskell said:
what exactly do you mean by screen sharing? Do you mean having two or more apps on the screen at once? If so, then no, that is not currently possible.
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Its coming...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqBAfMwCAc&feature=player_embedded

Googler_1976 said:
Its coming...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqBAfMwCAc&feature=player_embedded
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that looks awesome.. I want it.