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Question regarding ROOT

Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?

If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?

Eclair~ said:
If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?
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Did you even read my question?
What does my Sig have to do with my question?
I have a Nexus One and I don't want to miss future updates, such as "Adobe Flash" which is a proprietary app and I don't want to miss out.

If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.

Eclair~ said:
If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.
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kthanx. I think.

BookCase said:
Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?

I am wondering this as well. I installed the bacon addon from cyanogen and don't want to screw myself out of the ota updates.
Thanks.

You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.

seraph1024 said:
You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.
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Sorry, I'm not referring to running a custom ROM. I just want to know if i unlock and ROOT but, keep the original ROM, will I still get the OTA updates or no? So, if anyone knows, I'd gratefully appreciate it.

As far as I understand, as long as you're using the stock, signed Nexus One ROM, nothing would change that would prevent you from receiving OTA updates.
I'm not positive.

The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.

pjcforpres said:
The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.
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Thank you.

flomid said:
i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?
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If you do root and want your wifi to work you have to flash a rom i think, i rooted and didnt plan on flashing a rom but had to to get the wifi working.

did u root with superboot over a modaco, as i had no probs with wifi, after i rooted.

BookCase said:
Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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Why does this matter??????????????
If you rooted, you'd get the OTA updates faster than OTA people!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 100% stock, un-rooted N1. I didn't get the OTA update within the first day, so I did it manually anyway.
What is the point of fearing that you'll miss out on OTA updates??? With root, that should be your *LAST* concern.
BTW guaranteed you will get Flash sooner with a rooted phone than without!
These threads make no sense whatsoever.

[Q] Temporary root galaxy note?

so if the official ICS arrives i wont have problem updating it.

I don't think rooting will affect your ability to the update

Realy. Im just afraid because when i rooted my htc sensation there was a 14 mb update when i install it i always vet boot loob or stock. Im scared when i root galaxy note. I will still get the ICS with no problem. Can you confirm this? Sorry for noob.

well....if you follow the steps in the following thread...you can always unroot after you root your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329360
but to my limited noobie knowledge...if you don't flash you phone to a custom rom and just simply root...you should be fine.
rooting is to just give you special access to your phone.....

DMax99 said:
but to my limited noobie knowledge...if you don't flash you phone to a custom rom and just simply root...you should be fine.
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Not necessarily!
Often, updates are provided in the form of patch files, rather than as complete ROMs. If you've rooted, chances are you have made some changes to the system partition which will render the patch file useless as it is generally expecting the files in the system partition of have been untouched.
My advice is not to worry about updates too much - when the official updates do drop, within a few hours there will be custom ROMs that include the updates suitable for flashing via CWM etc. In addition, if you do accept an official update, you may find yourself unable to root as the exploits used to gain root may well have been patched.
Regards,
Dave

Thanks for your help.
Im asking this because i have htc sensation and i root it and made a nandroid backup. When the 14mb update arrive when i install it my phone just got stock on htc logo.
If i root using the zergrush is it much safe?
Im affraid when i root my note i wont able to get the official ICS.
(I only root just to install the onhere maps by brute because my country is still not activated the google navigation)
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Help Newbie with Nexus One

Hi All, I just got my Nexus one off ebay and it appears its not rooted as i do not see the padlock icon and i also cannot run the nexus torch.
What im looking to do is revert back to the stock software and than do all the OTA updates myself.
Can someone help me with this ? Im not looking to root though.
Im running the ATT version of the Nexus one.
Thanks all for your help.

To be root or not
if you do not see the padlock, then you are root!!

hi, yes i know and i do not see the pad lock so i have a unrooted phone. Im trying to find out how i can install the stock software this way i can do the OTA updates myself.
Thanks

If there's no padlock and you're sure it's not rooted... why do you think it's not already stock?

Well its running gingerbread and i wanted to go back to froyo and than OTA the updates myself

If its not rooted, root it! What version you on currently?
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Im on the Nexus one ATT version, running the most recent gingerbread OS.

2.3.6???
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If it is, try root using this... http://apachejava.blogspot.com/2011/06/root-nexus-one-gingerbread-234.html
My dad using my nexus one, so i dunno much... So, is your bootloader unlock, if it is, then go ahead with the link above... Then S-OFF using BlackRose...
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Check this!!
Might help you.
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/56512/downgrading-google-nexus-one-from-android-gingerbr.html

If you don't see the padlock it means the bootloader is still locked. If you don't have the SuperUser app then you are more than likely NOT rooted. Sounds like a stock phone if you ask me. Why do you want to roll back to Froyo then update? Sounds like you are already where you want to be. It sounds like a case of reaching around your ass to scratch your elbow. Heh. If you try to OTA update it and it says you are up to date, I would suggest leaving it alone or just root it! Good luck!
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zinner526 said:
Well its running gingerbread and i wanted to go back to froyo and than OTA the updates myself
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Why? Is there a problem with what is currently installed? If it's working fine, then I would expect downgrading to a previous version and applying the updates would just get you back to where you are now. I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand what you're looking to achieve
If you mean stock as in "original" that isn't Froyo either. The Nexus One originally came with Eclair (2.1). If you don't have root, I'm not sure if you can downgrade or how safe it would be. I've seen mixed results with downgrading. The only way to do a complete flash would be with an unlocked bootloader or root + custom recovery.
If you don't want to root or unlock the bootloader, why not just do a full wipe and use the version you have on it? You could also root it temporarily to restore to an unrooted Eclair or Froyo, then apply the updates.

Thanks Narbir, I'm going to try this. Does it matter I have AT&T ?

I hope So. I m usng Voda uk. Don't really brother me by that.

Well the phone reboots often for no reason so i thought if i started from the factory installed software and go forward it would help.
How hard is it to root to install enclar and than go forward ? Unless someone has another idea for the reboot issue ?

Install the latest stock ROM in PASSIMG format (complete ROM, all the partitions). No need to go back to Eclair or Froyo.
Prepare for the possibility of it not helping at all, and your phone HW being faulty. If you have ADB set up - you can run "adb bugreport" after the crash, and look for "ARM9 has crashed" line in the log dump that comes. If you'll see them - no amount of ROM switching will help.

Not to sound pedantic, but you seem a little confused (OP). Why don't you start by reading the FAQs regarding rooting and unlocking the bootloader, and understanding the ROM installation processes.
Couple of fundamentals to get you started:
1. The padlock (or absence of) is no indication of whether you are rooted or not. It merely indicates whether your 'bootloader' is unlocked or not, which is a completely separate concept from rooting.
2. Easiest method of seeing whether you are rooted is to see if you have the 'SuperUser' app in your app drawer.
If your objective is to install a stock/default ROM, search for a 'PASSIMG' for the latest available firmware for your device. Search these forums or Google it. The procedure is fairly straightforward and only involves putting the file on your SD card - and will restore your phone to a stock usable state.
If you're interested in custom ROMs, the fastest way to get started is to use SuperOneClick to root (Google, please). Then go to the market and download ROM Manager and just follow the instructions!

Nexus 7 rooted and unlocked but wants OTA updates

Hi all,
im new to this game so please be kind. i have a nexus 7,rooted it and unlocked it,main reason for that was so that i could install stuff from blackmarket alpha that a friend showed me. just heard of the 4.1.2 update and as of yet havent recieved the prompt for OTA. will i still recieve it or will i have to do it manually because i have no clue how to do that and am worried of loosing my root and/or data.
i used this method to root and unlock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh5vawUTJrg&feature=g-hist
i live in australia if that makes any difference
thanks in advance

Ask in the toolkit thread, and don't ask questions in the General section next time.
Beamed from my Grouper.

well where is this toolkit thread?
can you please post a link

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ice_cold17 said:
Hi all,
im new to this game so please be kind. i have a nexus 7,rooted it and unlocked it,main reason for that was so that i could install stuff from blackmarket alpha that a friend showed me. just heard of the 4.1.2 update and as of yet havent recieved the prompt for OTA. will i still recieve it or will i have to do it manually because i have no clue how to do that and am worried of loosing my root and/or data.
i used this method to root and unlock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh5vawUTJrg&feature=g-hist
i live in australia if that makes any difference
thanks in advance
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I just got it OTA. When you get OTA updates, you lose root. To restore root, use VooDoo OTA RootKeeper from the play store. It worked for me

Saturny said:
I just got it OTA. When you get OTA updates, you lose root. To restore root, use VooDoo OTA RootKeeper from the play store. It worked for me
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ok so you are rooted and unlocked and you recieved the update by OTA without having to install it manually or anything? im still waiting for it,it hasnt come through yet

ice_cold17 said:
well where is this toolkit thread?
can you please post a link
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Google.

Mach3.2 said:
Google.
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Such an arse.
here you go mate:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929424
Follow it carefully, ya can't go wrong. I used this method, I kept root and have had NO ISSUES what so ever,

awesome thats great,i think i might try that, does this mean i will have to do this everytime there is a new update out?

Wilks3y said:
Such an arse.
here you go mate:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929424
Follow it carefully, ya can't go wrong. I used this method, I kept root and have had NO ISSUES what so ever,
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Does it take an arm and limb for OP to use a search engine or the search function in this forum?
Beamed from my Grouper.

I've just got OTA too, last night .. to 4.1.2 .. (and yes, my tablet is rooted, and bootloader opened, but with Stock Rom)
.. but after installing the OTA, nothing happened, still 4.1.1 .. and still have root, didn't lose it .. basicly the tablet tried to update, but it wasn't successfully .. any idea? .. do i have to unroot before OTA update? .. and, when i try to search for update in "Settings - About Tablet" it saying "Up to Date.. ." .. strange :/
p.s. sorry for my weak English

Did you modify the build.prop or install a custom recovery?

On the Asus TF201, once you unlock the bootloader, installing an OTA update would brick the tablet.
I'm wondering: why it is okay to receive OTA updates on a rooted Nexus 7 with an unlocked bootloader when doing this on the Asus TF201 would brick it?
Right now, my Nexus 7 is running the latest OTA 4.2. It's rooted and unlocked. I want to make sure that when I try to install the next OTA update, I won't brick my Nexus 7.

How did you update your nexus 7, mine failed for both 4.1.2 and 4.2, I'm stocked in 4.1.1. I got the updates OTA on the n7 but when it restarted and try to update it failed.
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When I received my update, I was rooted with a locked bootloader. I received a notification that an update was ready to install, and I installed the OTA update. I forgot to use the rootkeeper app, so I lost root. I used Wug's tool to unlock the bootloader and re-root. Wug's toolkit didn't have an option to re-lock the bootloader like a previous toolkit that I had used, so I'm left wondering about the significance of leaving the bootloader unlocked with respect to being able to receive OTA updates. I don't have a desire to flash a custom recovery or custom ROMs on my Nexus 7. I do that on my Galaxy Nexus and Asus TF201, but I just like receiving the stock OTA updates quickly and easily on my Nexus 7.
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How did you update your nexus 7, mine failed for both 4.1.2 and 4.2, I'm stocked in 4.1.1. I got the updates OTA on the n7 but when it restarted and try to update it failed.
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the implications of ROOT

hello!
i just got my N4 a few days ago...
didnt even change a ringtone yet... just downloaded some apps, and costumized the phone a-bit.
i do want to root, because some advanced actions such as recording calls (legal in my country) require root.
i was about to root using the Nexus 4 ToolKit posted here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688
but when i run it it always says its tookit ver v1.3.0, and a 1.6.0 is avilable, i update but when i re-run it, it says its 1.3 again...
and even if i go past this step and get to the "What build do you have?
the only answer i can pic is 4.2 (JOP24C)
and i own JOP24D (2.4.1) - will this be an issue?
and also - if i root my phone, and lets say androud 4.2.2 comes out a day later, does the phone still update? or do i stop getting updates as soon as im rooted?
TY!

Caniv said:
hello!
i just got my N4 a few days ago...
didnt even change a ringtone yet... just downloaded some apps, and costumized the phone a-bit.
i do want to root, because some advanced actions such as recording calls (legal in my country) require root.
i was about to root using the Nexus 4 ToolKit posted here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688
but when i run it it always says its tookit ver v1.3.0, and a 1.6.0 is avilable, i update but when i re-run it, it says its 1.3 again...
and even if i go past this step and get to the "What build do you have?
the only answer i can pic is 4.2 (JOP24C)
and i own JOP24D (2.4.1) - will this be an issue?
and also - if i root my phone, and lets say androud 4.2.2 comes out a day later, does the phone still update? or do i stop getting updates as soon as im rooted?
TY!
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If you get the donate version it will update it so that you can do the 4.2.1 build. I think it was like $5. Well worth supporting the dev

ctowne said:
If you get the donate version it will update it so that you can do the 4.2.1 build. I think it was like $5. Well worth supporting the dev
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alright cool i don't mind paying 5USD...
but what about the most important things?
does rooting 100% erase evetyhing?
Do i keep getting updates to my phone? or when a new version comes out i have to re-root or something?

It will erase EVERYTHING and you would have to go back to stock to get the OTA or wait for a build to be flashable
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If the ROM got OTA (over the air) you can update i guess, not really populair with OTA, but you can download 4.2.2 stock ROM or custom ROM when it comes out.
Sent From My Rooted Samsung Galaxy S2 JB 4.1.2 (GT-I9100)

Why don't you unlock and root using fastboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
Check my signature for my reasons why.
You might even learn something!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

El Daddy said:
Why don't you unlock and root using fastboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
Check my signature for my reasons why.
You might even learn something!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
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might? i bet ill learn ALOT!
i just have one more question - that i didnt understand.
as of now, unrooted, if 4.3(lets say) comes out tommorow, my device updates, bam.. im 4.3
if i root now, at 4.2.1, the above will not happen? meaning in order to update to 4.3 i will have to lose all my data again?
ty!

Caniv said:
might? i bet ill learn ALOT!
i just have one more question - that i didnt understand.
as of now, unrooted, if 4.3(lets say) comes out tommorow, my device updates, bam.. im 4.3
if i root now, at 4.2.1, the above will not happen? meaning in order to update to 4.3 i will have to lose all my data again?
ty!
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If you are only rooted and having modified any system files you can OTA successfully.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

El Daddy said:
If you are only rooted and having modified any system files you can OTA successfully.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
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ashamed to say i didnt really get it.. lol.
you said OTA is "Over the Air", right?
so if i rooted at 4.2.1 (just rooted, no rom or anything), and 4.3 came out do i
1. Have to delete everything AGAIN and re-root on 4.3 to get the update
2. have to find the 4.3 file online and install it somehow
3. do nothing, the phone automatically gets updated
ty =)

Caniv said:
ashamed to say i didnt really get it.. lol.
you said OTA is "Over the Air", right?
so if i rooted at 4.2.1 (just rooted, no rom or anything), and 4.3 came out do i
1. Have to delete everything AGAIN and re-root on 4.3 to get the update
2. have to find the 4.3 file online and install it somehow
3. do nothing, the phone automatically gets updated
ty =)
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Getting root on your device does not delete anything. What deletes everything is unlocking the bootloader (which, at the present time, is required to obtain root). You only have to unlock the bootloader once. Once it is unlocked, getting root is trivial.
Every time you receive an over-the-air update, it will remove your root access, BUT, as I mentioned earlier, getting it back is trivial when your bootloader is unlocked.

efrant said:
Getting root on your device does not delete anything. What deletes everything is unlocking the bootloader (which, at the present time, is required to obtain root). You only have to unlock the bootloader once. Once it is unlocked, getting root is trivial.
Every time you receive an over-the-air update, it will remove your root access, BUT, as I mentioned earlier, getting it back is trivial when your bootloader is unlocked.
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i should pay you for toleraring my silly questions... many thanks
since i think i saw u said u do not recommend tool kits to root..
can u direct me to a step by step instruction thread to root, in a way you support? i totally trust your opinion

Caniv said:
i should pay you for toleraring my silly questions... many thanks
since i think i saw u said u do not recommend tool kits to root..
can u direct me to a step by step instruction thread to root, in a way you support? i totally trust your opinion
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Have you read the stickies in the General and Q&A sections? There is a couple of stickies by me in the General section (the "Basics" and "Root" links in my signature), and there is also a sticky by Jubakuba in the Q&A section.

efrant said:
Have you read the stickies in the General and Q&A sections? There is a couple of stickies by me in the General section (the "Basics" and "Root" links in my signature), and there is also a sticky by Jubakuba in the Q&A section.
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I did not!
I will do so as soon as I'm done with work.
Will prolly open a thread titled "rooted 4.2, how do i update to 4.2.1" unless its in the stickies..

Caniv said:
I did not!
I will do so as soon as I'm done with work.
Will prolly open a thread titled "rooted 4.2, how do i update to 4.2.1" unless its in the stickies..
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The easiest way is to wait for the OTA notification to appear on your device. Then just accept it, and then root again.
I've written up something for the Galaxy Nexus (sticky in the GNex General section), but nothing yet for the N4. The basic premise (and most of the commands) are the same. You can browse through it for some background info.