I tried to get some help in the Q&A section, but it appears this is more technical/hardware seeking question than just generic "which phone" thread.
I have been suggested Samsung Galaxy Spica/i5700 by boofman (thank you), but the device is cost prohibitive.
I would very much appreciate anyone's suggestion.
I am planning a presentation to demonstrate the benefits of JTAG for data recovery on embedded systems. The audience has approx. 12th grade education, but higher than average computer understanding.
I have most of the equipment already, including a uLINK2, Bus Blaster, and Raspberry Pi for the UART-to-USB, and OpenOCD for the software.
What I am missing is the simplest cell phone (or other inexpensive embedded device) to make the demonstration.
I would like to connect to the device and list the devices on the JTAG chain, and recover the data from them.
What cell phone brand and model would work well for this presentation?
I would need to know the JTAG points, have access to the data sheets of the onboard chips, and since it is out of my own pocket, I hope to get the phones on eBay for a low price.
Any suggestions are welcome.
huperetes said:
I tried to get some help in the Q&A section, but it appears this is more technical/hardware seeking question than just generic "which phone" thread.
I have been suggested Samsung Galaxy Spica/i5700 by boofman (thank you), but the device is cost prohibitive.
I would very much appreciate anyone's suggestion.
I am planning a presentation to demonstrate the benefits of JTAG for data recovery on embedded systems. The audience has approx. 12th grade education, but higher than average computer understanding.
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You'd be surprised what kids know these days.
huperetes said:
I have most of the equipment already, including a uLINK2, Bus Blaster, and Raspberry Pi for the UART-to-USB, and OpenOCD for the software.
What I am missing is the simplest cell phone (or other inexpensive embedded device) to make the demonstration.
I would like to connect to the device and list the devices on the JTAG chain, and recover the data from them.
What cell phone brand and model would work well for this presentation?
I would need to know the JTAG points, have access to the data sheets of the onboard chips, and since it is out of my own pocket, I hope to get the phones on eBay for a low price.
Any suggestions are welcome.
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Check out gsm-forum, under the hardware repair section.
Googling for jtag pins and your phone model number usually works for me. I'd assume you might have to wait a little bit for brand new devices, unless you feel like scoping the pins to find out which is which or hope their labeled.
These individuals are not kids. :fingers-crossed:
Excellent resource at the other site. Thanks!
But, I think I do not think I made myself clear regarding what I am looking for:crying:. I am not looking for info on how to JTAG a specific phone.
I am looking for 3 or 4 of the same model of cell phone that
I can pick up on eBay or similar for reasonable price (<$30/phone),
the JTAG TAP is known on the motherboard, and
it would be a bonus if the JTAG command set was known (besides the basic requirement).
This would allow me to make test run on one of the phones, then demonstrate the use of JTAG on the others.
The Samsung Galaxy Spica is a good phone, but I do not have the budget at $100+/phone. I need to find something cheaper. It does not need to be fancy telephone, or even smart phone - just have sufficient JTAG documentation.
If anyone has any ideas on what to use for this demo, I am still in need of a good idea.
You can look into any of the older HTC phones for this. I think that would be your best bet. I've done plenty of hardware repair, disassembling, reassambling, flashing, etc... on Android, & non-Android phones, & from my experience, the older HTC phones are the best. Specifically, concentrate on the GSM ones, such as for T-Mobile. Look into HTC myTouch 3G Slide (awesome little thing) , HTC G2 (one of the best keyboard phones ever), myTouch 4g, myTouch 4G Slide (overheating, self-destructing piece of crap), even the HD2 & the HD7. These are all devices that you can get for around $30 or so with a cracked, but still working digitizer, or some other kind of problem. Screens & other parts for them are very cheap as well.
Also, these are all known to RIFF Box. Look it up. You can do JTAG repair with these, & RIFF Box have all the JTAG ports labeled & documented. They might have some of the documentation right on their site, but I'm not totally sure. Anyway, check it out & see. I think this will be exactly what you're looking for.
Excellent! Thank you very much.
I have looked at looked at many commercial products, including RIFF Box. I narrowed the selections down the RIFF and ORT, but they are both very expensive for demonstration purposes.
I do love the fact that one can buy "jigs", "clips" or "adapters" (names change depending on vendors) which removes the soldering requirements for some of the phones. Except, these are still very expensive. :cyclops:
Again, thanks. I will look into these.
3ndymion218 said:
You can look into any of the older HTC phones for this. I think that would be your best bet. I've done plenty of hardware repair, disassembling, reassambling, flashing, etc... on Android, & non-Android phones, & from my experience, the older HTC phones are the best. Specifically, concentrate on the GSM ones, such as for T-Mobile. Look into HTC myTouch 3G Slide (awesome little thing) , HTC G2 (one of the best keyboard phones ever), myTouch 4g, myTouch 4G Slide (overheating, self-destructing piece of crap), even the HD2 & the HD7. These are all devices that you can get for around $30 or so with a cracked, but still working digitizer, or some other kind of problem. Screens & other parts for them are very cheap as well.
Also, these are all known to RIFF Box. Look it up. You can do JTAG repair with these, & RIFF Box have all the JTAG ports labeled & documented. They might have some of the documentation right on their site, but I'm not totally sure. Anyway, check it out & see. I think this will be exactly what you're looking for.
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I'd go with Galaxy S 1 as it's really cool to work on and relatively well documented and demonstration on such stuff always looks well. But if you want something low-budget. I've seen JTAG pads on Nokia E50'ish stuff. Or try with some Samsung S3000's, these are pretty cheap. But I don't know how's JTAG there.
as @3ndymion218 told you , search old HTc .. also some Samsung that I think cheap could help too .
Samsung F480 , F490 , U700 , U900 etc ... some news Corby model also .. I think cheap .
I could help if you were near to me . I have 3 phones that I could offer you ...
Thank you for the further info.
Definitely will try to track down the HTC and Nokia information.
Samsung is a bit pricy as you said, but maybe down the road.
Again, thank you all!
Related
purchased motorola es400. truly happy with this device, do think it's the greatest wm6 device with fantastic usability.
pros:
1. qwerty keyboard is easy to press, even better than any blackberry keyboard
2. 3.0 VGA tft screen: high brightness, clear display
3. perfect size to fit your hands, rugged phone, rubber frame give you best feeling
4. 1500mah standard battery + 3000 mah extended battery, a gigantic power house. so no worry about battery
cons:
1. wm6.5(hope it'd be a android one)
2. system needs to be more optimized, it took 5 to 6 seconds to shoot a picture after you press camara button!!
came more pictures.
1 more cons: 2.5mm headset jack
more pictures....................
Looks like that came from the Symbol line of devices. Lots of retailers use the MC-70 and related devices for inventory work and more. Very good devices for that type of work, but way to big and bulky for average use.
When Motorola bought out Symbol they started make a line that was more slim and trim in the hopes of getting executives/manager to adopt them. They'd not only be able to perform the inventory type jobs but also work as the default cellphone for the individual.
They are very rugged and well built devices. They can take a LOT of abuse and still function. If I recall the OS has also been "ruggedized." What I mean is that they sort of strip out some of the more advance, high end stuff that is more likely to cause incompatibility and/or crashes. I know this is true of some of Symbol's earlier devices. I don't know if it's true with the Motorola stuff... especially if they wanted execs to use these I doubt they would have done too much to 'em.
Great devices for Field Work, but I don't know they're usually not cutting edge tech or the most feature packed machines.
You've got Windows EH 6.5 on this right ? What build number do you see on it ? Just curious
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Add me to this. Leo is already Legendary.
Can anybody with this device upload dumped ROM?
Hello
i need a german Rom for this device!
Can anybody help
Hi,
Try following link, it should offer you a download link with when you provide your device's SN
http://support.symbol.com/support/s...eId=&dialogID=216462608&stateId=1 0 216464033
As mentioned above, these devices are really designed for data capture work in the business arena. Just the job, for barcode reading, warehouse pick list instructions, utility company meter reading, in the field survey response capture, customer order capture, etc. etc, but for personal phone use, it is a bit of a heavyweight.
Having said that, if you make a habit of dropping your phone down the WC, quite a common method of trashing it by all accounts, such a purchase could be a very good investment. It will survive that sort of thing time after time. You will have to give it some really serious abuse in order to break it.
This is where Microsoft is taking the CE/Mobile/Embedded platform.
Windows Phone 7 is now purely a consumer product.
..if it had DPAD and wm6.1...
sigh.
what's the cost of this, btw?
any kitchens available?
Regarding the cost, they're not cheap, but then again you get what you pay for.
Here in the UK they start at just over £400.
thank you buddy, nice work
mrteii, have you tried to shoot a photo at night using the flashlight? the light is distributed also into lens, making an ugly white arc at the bottom of the picture. anyway, the PenTile display is very nice. i'm currently using this device alongside with mc75a, which i like much more
On Sprint in the USA, the Touch Pro 2 is the best Windows Mobile device. I would get a Leo/HD2 if I was on T-Mobile.
Anyone one could get this ES400 rom ?
orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
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go away..
sheesh.
I just received this device off ebay several days ago, brand new, unbranded and it came with the extended battery. I've added a PNY 32GB class 10 microsd card and activated it with an at&t gophone plan. I'm getting the H data symbol up top so it looks like I'm connecting at 3.5G speeds and so far so good! It's quite beastly in size but I love the display and the keyboard! I hope they release an updated model in Android/WP7 form, but I kinda like how it feels like a computer on a phone. It's my first WM phone, my previous phone was a Palm Pre.
Dear all,
at this moment I am trying to repair the micro-USB connector on my HTC HD2. At the moment it only charges when inserted in a certain angle, this is not very convenient and as I am willing to experiment, I want to replace the micro-USB by myself.
Therefore I've brought some soldering tools and such, I haven't opened my HTC HD2 yet, as I am doing preparations first. However I am stuck at what micro-USB female plug I should buy to replace the one on the HTC HD2 (european edition; 512 MB).
Can someone give me advice? I would like to replace the micro-USB port with one that is exactly the original model. I've found the following products on Farnell, please type micro USB female which one should I buy? Or does someone have any other recommandations?
I will try to keep you guys posted on my replacement procedures.
PS: I am unable to post links as I don't have a lot of posts, however I spend a lot of time reading posts here.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HTC-HD2-T...K_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item41582a72ca
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIGINAL-...K_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item4cf7d6215d
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIGINAL-...K_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item4cf7d6215d
Just a few options for you there
Hey, thanks for your response, however I'm not really comfortable with the price, it's even more expensive than my cable, as it is in pounds. However can anyone identify what kind of micro usb this is? (Type)
temp_tsun,
You didn't state where you're from, or in what country you'd prefer the vendor be located. But to answer your question:
It's considered a "standard" Micro-USB, or more precisely a 5-pin micro-USB "Type B" port. Google around for those keywords in conjunction with phrases like "HD2/Leo charging port", "...charging connector", etc, and you'll find some vendor candidates. Looking around for a minute or two and comparing prices I found this one: cellularpartsusa.com/htc-hd2-charging-connector.html. Cheap, but I don't know anything about the merchant or what their shipping rates are. Also, I remember reading somewhere that other OEM versions of this part may be compatible with the HD2, possibly the Blackberry Bold. So, expanding the search I found
sw-box.com/Usb-Charging-Connector-Port-For-Blackberry-Bold-9700-Curve-8520.html and
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203459666&hlp=false, but you better ascertain first that it's the same part since I can't be 100% sure.
Hope that helps. Good luck with your surgery...
I'm sorry, I'm from the Netherlands. I own an EU version of the HTC HD2. I'm currently delaying my surgery because the order of several soldering tools are delayed. I will try to make pictures and post them online to help others a) preventing the mistakes I made (and my phone will probably die ) b) showing others how I did it and hopefully more surgeries will succeed.
PS: I'm going to order this one, hopefully on monday I will have it =).
temp_tsun said:
I'm sorry, I'm from the Netherlands. I own an EU version of the HTC HD2. I'm currently delaying my surgery because the order of several soldering tools are delayed. I will try to make pictures and post them online to help others a) preventing the mistakes I made (and my phone will probably die ) b) showing others how I did it and hopefully more surgeries will succeed.
PS: I'm going to order this one, hopefully on monday I will have it =).
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Did you manage to repair this yourself ?
I also have a broken USB port, which I since found to now be detached from the circuit board when I disassembled the HD2. I don't think I am good enough to solder a replacement (as it is so small!), so am keen to hear how you went ?
i'd like to know too, as i foolishly returned the phone to HTC and had them break it completely for me. They offered a new motherboard for £215 or aboy $450 dollars outside of warranty. now i need a charging mat and am back on win mo 6.5.
Hi,
I am not sure how to ask this question yet i scribble a few words. Kindly ask questions if you are not clear. Thanks in advance.
We are doing a custom device for a industrial project. The project involves maintaining stock and functioning of electronic products using the USB API. The USB device(Our Product) and the android phone will be placed and provided to the end-user in an assembly. The end user sees the whole thing as a PDA/Device for use in industry.
I need suggestions for the following:
- The android Phone which we use must contain the following according to the Devs.
Android Version 2.2 or Higher.
Android Gingerbread 2.3 or higher is preferred.
- Touch Screen (Resistive or capacitive)
- Resolution 320 X 480 Pixels (Minimum)
- Screen-size 3 -4 Inches
- GPS or aGPS
- G-Sensor
- WiFi (any b/g/n or all)
- Internal Memory 512MB or higher
- RAM 384 MB or higher
- Processor 500 MHz or higher
- Battery 5 hrs or more usage time
- Partially assembled units with Display, Battery and Board.
- the outer case is not required (Optional)
- Bluetooth, GSM.. etc are necessarily required but if present can be used for any future projects.
Is there any board/ assembly unit or may be a mobile phone without the fancy housing or casing which we can buy for our project?
The BeagleBoard and AllGo boards already have android support but are on the expensive side.
Any help would be really appreciated.
Mods kindly help me to make this questions little more clear to the respected community.
Thank you.
As far as I can understand, you want something like DIY package for phone. I haven't heard about such thing, and even if it does exist - it's too expensive when compared to fully assembled phones. Basically what you described covers all functions of hi end PDA 3 years ago.
AFAIK you won't find resistive touchscreen phone with Android - it isn't really supported by AOSP.
I'd look for something like first Android HTCs, these were pretty good devices, aren't expensive now and meets your requirements I believe.
Unfortunately the cost to custom make something would be pretty high, and unless you are going to be selling these by the thousands, it will be cheaper to just buy a stock android phone.
The other problem is, Android devices have a specific set of requirements for both hardware and software before Google lets you put their os on it. (Not sure if that means they are "closed source" per-se, but I can't blame them for having minimum requirements, to at least keep up appearances.)
Have you considered using a Nexus S? It sounds like it would meet the requirements and could be modified if needed. Plus being a google dev phone android 2.3 was pretty much written for it.
DarthCaniac said:
The other problem is, Android devices have a specific set of requirements for both hardware and software before Google lets you put their os on it. (Not sure if that means they are "closed source" per-se, but I can't blame them for having minimum requirements, to at least keep up appearances.)
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You're thinking of the Google Apps, the OS is opensource and can be put on anything. You would just need their approval for the android market, gmail, g maps, etc.
If you're really serious about this, and it's really industry sized, I suggest you fork out a little more money and get the boards and whatnot.
Is the price in 125$ is high for devkit with ARM, I mean Beagleboard? You could view Freescale's devkit imx53qsb. The price is 149$ for board and 99$ for touchscreen. Freescale support Android 2.x (Gingerbread) BSP, Ubuntu 10 BSP, WinCE(if you pay) BSP.
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http://www.linaro.org/low-cost-development-boards/
The Samsung captivate has a 1ghz processor with 500 megs of ram. The device was sold for around $50 on contract. I've personally documented the heck out of it. All this boils down to a device which exceeds the specs you want. Has readily available parts, and is totally maintainable. I'd look at that device for a cheap platform. If you're looking for the development board you want the kit S5PC110... but I made that platform obsolete with UnBrickable Mod . I'd say reuse the available device boards and screens. Make a new case.
Rebellos said:
AFAIK you won't find resistive touchscreen phone with Android - it isn't really supported by AOSP.
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Right, on android-x86, we had to add tslib and hack framework/base to get resistive touchscreens to work.
http://git.android-x86.org/?p=platform/external/tslib.git;a=summary
http://git.android-x86.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/donut-x86
http://git.android-x86.org/?p=platf...it;h=ff896c717ffdf746d979bdd50348235724832db5
The last two links are for donut and froyo, but could be ported forward for gingerbread or ics.
Hope that is helpful.
AdamOutler said:
The Samsung captivate has a 1ghz processor with 500 megs of ram. The device was sold for around $50 on contract. I've personally documented the heck out of it. All this boils down to a device which exceeds the specs you want. Has readily available parts, and is totally maintainable. I'd look at that device for a cheap platform. If you're looking for the development board you want the kit S5PC110... but I made that platform obsolete with UnBrickable Mod . I'd say reuse the available device boards and screens. Make a new case.
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+1 on this. Off the shelf hardware is probably best in this case
Since the hardware specs are so low, price is important and it looks like Android is more the OS than a necessary ecosystem you might look at some of the Chinese mfg's who are building droves of cheap android phones and tablets.
This wont be premier hardware but it should be cheap and meet your needs while allowing whatever quantity you think you'll need.
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Rebellos said:
AFAIK you won't find resistive touchscreen phone with Android - it isn't really supported by AOSP.
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there have been several devices with resistive screens running android. They haven't been released from major OEM's and are fairly rare in the US but they are certainly supported. Unless you're shooting for a device that feels low end or just doesn't work all that well I'd recommend against them but they are an option.
Thank you... We finally settled for a 50$ phone.. It was cheap and has 3years service and replacement agreement with the manufacturer.. Without your suggestions I could have ordered those expensive development boards..
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using xda premium
anoopch said:
Thank you... We finally settled for a 50$ phone.. It was cheap and has 3years service and replacement agreement with the manufacturer..
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Hi, I am also looking for a similar device for an Industrial product. Need Blue Tooth and WifI but no battery. Can you share the source or help me get 2 pcs for trial and evaluation.
AdamOutler said:
The Samsung captivate has a 1ghz processor with 500 megs of ram. The device was sold for around $50 on contract. I've personally documented the heck out of it. All this boils down to a device which exceeds the specs you want. Has readily available parts, and is totally maintainable. I'd look at that device for a cheap platform. If you're looking for the development board you want the kit S5PC110... but I made that platform obsolete with UnBrickable Mod . I'd say reuse the available device boards and screens. Make a new case.
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Main problem with this for the stated purpose in the OP is that the Nexus S doesn't exactly have very strong USB HOST functionality. (Although while it mentions USB, it isn't in the explicit requirements???)
I think for the use described in question, a tablet is likely to be a better bet.
Another option would be Samsung's Galaxy Player series - They are basically Galaxy S devices minus the phone functionality.
However you might want to look into a ruggedized Android device...
Nice
Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus usando Tapatalk 2
Hello,
been digging in the "fun" world of buying a JTAG. Jeeez.... Loads and NOT cheap....
What do you guys and gals use?
I looked at so many different ones and I don't know really what to buy here to get some more insight in the hardware.
Saw there are USB-Jtags but does that work with the phones?
Google came with Segger? They had an "edu" price that was in the range of accessible.
Saw this one as well: "Riffbox - Best in the Galaxy!". Sounds...uhm... yeah right.
Or is it really good and they just have the worlds worst marketing director?
The Segger seemed more general purpose?
Saw there are some variants that doesn't need welding but I guess you must. Schematics?
Of course it would be great if it worked for a Raspberry as well so I could automate my house like the master of the world!
And I need one again. I think I found my golden road in life, but I don't want to throw away 1k Euro on something worthless but listen to you who
have experience.
Because I really want is to have a way to plug something into the phone and read out the secrets it possesses
I mean, E-Fuse data, doesn't that just sound like you HAVE to get?
Please. Can you give me some advice here? :fingers-crossed:
/Absie
I want to source an Android smart watch from China for a project am working on. I want to change the menu interface it comes with and replace with a custom interface specific for my purpose (means no custom control to intended audience).
Thoughts Needed
Does anyone here have a similar experience?
Are they good at customizing ROMs and interfaces according to requirements?
If not, how easy is it to hire somebody to build a custom ROM with custom interface (for say MTK6572)?
Any recommended suppliers you know?
Phase 1 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements - 100 Units Order
Android OS
GSM/GPS
Touch screen
Mic/Speaker
Charging points on the back side (no micro-usb slot on the side)
Shortlisted AK-S5 or AK-S7
Phase 2 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements
All from Phase 1
IP67 or IP68
Magnetic based charger point on the backside
Heart rate sensor at the backside
Shortlisted - None available yet
abuduri said:
I want to source an Android smart watch from China for a project am working on. I want to change the menu interface it comes with and replace with a custom interface specific for my purpose (means no custom control to intended audience).
Thoughts Needed
Does anyone here have a similar experience?
Are they good at customizing ROMs and interfaces according to requirements?
If not, how easy is it to hire somebody to build a custom ROM with custom interface (for say MTK6572)?
Any recommended suppliers you know?
Phase 1 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements - 100 Units Order
Android OS
GSM/GPS
Touch screen
Mic/Speaker
Charging points on the back side (no micro-usb slot on the side)
Shortlisted AK-S5 or AK-S7
Phase 2 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements
All from Phase 1
IP67 or IP68
Magnetic based charger point on the backside
Heart rate sensor at the backside
Shortlisted - None available yet
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Please note: to date no Chinese Android watches are IP67, even the ones that provide proof of IP certification, I've learned that the hard way
AK-55 is the Z01
The AK-S7 is or looks like ZGPAX S7
I'm sure you have experience dealing with Chinese sellers, but if you don't . .. . be extremely careful, even using Paypal, trust no one!
simple1i said:
Please note: to date no Chinese Android watches are IP67, even the ones that provide proof of IP certification, I've learned that the hard way
AK-55 is the Z01
The AK-S7 is or looks like ZGPAX S7
I'm sure you have experience dealing with Chinese sellers, but if you don't . .. . be extremely careful, even using Paypal, trust no one!
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Thanks a lot @simple1i.
I have a chicken-egg question ... Which came first - AK-S5 or Z01? Which of these (or among numerous others on Alibaba) is "original" (designed first)? If there is no traceback and everyone is using the same reference design, as long as it works as intended, does it matter? I did get this supplier to show me the watch on skype video (though it doesn't prove anything).
My main question is - if the supplier really has a "fully working version" of S5 or Z01, and is ready to supply - they also say they will do ODM - any experience on their skills to make a custom ROM and change the menu interface to my needs? If not, anyone here willing to build the ROM and interface (paid)?
x201 model
abuduri said:
Thanks a lot @simple1i.
I have a chicken-egg question ... Which came first - AK-S5 or Z01? Which of these (or among numerous others on Alibaba) is "original" (designed first)? If there is no traceback and everyone is using the same reference design, as long as it works as intended, does it matter? I did get this supplier to show me the watch on skype video (though it doesn't prove anything).
My main question is - if the supplier really has a "fully working version" of S5 or Z01, and is ready to supply - they also say they will do ODM - any experience on their skills to make a custom ROM and change the menu interface to my needs? If not, anyone here willing to build the ROM and interface (paid)?
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I started looking into smartwatches on XDA from Mar 2014, so my history before then is limited. For me it started with the Omate TrueSmart, their Kickstarter campaign that promised it all and delivered a lie. I could be wrong, but Omate made the watch first (x201) and the rest copied (or someShenzhen firm made it first and Omate copied ) @pizzaman77 - knows the full history of Omate clones x201. But yes, now it does not matter as long as it works.
As for the development, you might get lucky and find that someone is already doing what you want or similar on the Omate forum - search on the Android development threads. I'm not a dev, so I don't if the Chineses sellers have the skills, doubt it. But the Devs on XDA will have. Look at this Omate thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/oma...rom-omate-truesmart-ironman-firmware-t2998434 - lots of dev going on on the Omate and its clones.
@kuronosan - is a key dev, still active, he might be able to help with paid work. You should start with making a new thread in the Omate Dev forum with your request.
@Lokifish Marz - knows a loooot but is not too actives these days
Please keep me informed on your dev plans (if its not top secret ) - i really really want to also buy a bulk order (maybe only 5 to start with) from China and sell them in the UK, but i need to join someone who is ordering in bulk so that i CAN only buy 5 units to start with. The other issue is i would need to fix any software issues first then sell them and if they sell then buy more. Can PM me if you wish. Thanks.
simple1i said:
I started looking into smartwatches on XDA from Mar 2014, so my history before then is limited. For me it started with the Omate TrueSmart, their Kickstarter campaign that promised it all and delivered a lie. I could be wrong, but Omate made the watch first (x201) and the rest copied (or someShenzhen firm made it first and Omate copied ) @pizzaman77 - knows the full history of Omate clones x201. But yes, now it does not matter as long as it works.
As for the development, you might get lucky and find that someone is already doing what you want or similar on the Omate forum - search on the Android development threads. I'm not a dev, so I don't if the Chineses sellers have the skills, doubt it. But the Devs on XDA will have. Look at this Omate thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/oma...rom-omate-truesmart-ironman-firmware-t2998434 - lots of dev going on on the Omate and its clones.
@kuronosan - is a key dev, still active, he might be able to help with paid work. You should start with making a new thread in the Omate Dev forum with your request.
@Lokifish Marz - knows a loooot but is not too actives these days
Please keep me informed on your dev plans (if its not top secret ) - i really really want to also buy a bulk order (maybe only 5 to start with) from China and sell them in the UK, but i need to join someone who is ordering in bulk so that i CAN only buy 5 units to start with. The other issue is i would need to fix any software issues first then sell them and if they sell then buy more. Can PM me if you wish. Thanks.
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Thanks a ton @simple1i. I will start a thread there.
Do you know any Android watches that fit my Phase 2 requirements (couldn't find any on Alibaba or similar sites)?
I did find a few watches fitting my spec without Android (either Nucleus or similar). Is it advisable to build on those platforms given that Android is now into wearables Reason I chose Android is because I want to be able to easily change supplier and/or watch hardware (looks) later easily and just port the code/functionality rather than getting locked. Else it will become an EXPENSIVE affair later. Am I right in thinking so?
abuduri said:
Thanks a ton @simple1i. I will start a thread there.
Do you know any Android watches that fit my Phase 2 requirements (couldn't find any on Alibaba or similar sites)?
I did find a few watches fitting my spec without Android (either Nucleus or similar). Is it advisable to build on those platforms given that Android is now into wearables Reason I chose Android is because I want to be able to easily change supplier and/or watch hardware (looks) later easily and just port the code/functionality rather than getting locked. Else it will become an EXPENSIVE affair later. Am I right in thinking so?
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And yes @simple1i, I will definitely keep you in the loop on the bulk ordering.
abuduri said:
Thanks a ton @simple1i. I will start a thread there.
Do you know any Android watches that fit my Phase 2 requirements (couldn't find any on Alibaba or similar sites)?
I did find a few watches fitting my spec without Android (either Nucleus or similar). Is it advisable to build on those platforms given that Android is now into wearables Reason I chose Android is because I want to be able to easily change supplier and/or watch hardware (looks) later easily and just port the code/functionality rather than getting locked. Else it will become an EXPENSIVE affair later. Am I right in thinking so?
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Yes I'd stick with Android, lots of resources available, gives more flexibility. I don't think Nucleus OS is a viable option yet, it would be too expensive.
I take it SIM is a requirement too? I'll look around, the IP67 is not available yet, maybe the Ironman 3rd generation might be IP67, but the company (Unova) is full of liars, I was ripped off with the 2nd generation, I proved it's not IP67. Other then the IP67 the rest might be available, you'll need to search for it on AliExpress.
What country are you from?
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Yes I'd stick with Android, lots of resources available, gives more flexibility. I don't think Nucleus OS is a viable option yet, it would be too expensive.
I take it SIM is a requirement too? I'll look around, the IP67 is not available yet, maybe the Ironman 3rd generation might be IP67, but the company (Unova) is full of liars, I was ripped off with the 2nd generation, I proved it's not IP67. Other then the IP67 the rest might be available, you'll need to search for it on AliExpress.
What country are you from?
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Yes, with 2G. 3G really not needed but if it comes with it, cool. Couldn't find any with android and heart rate on back side, keeping IP67 on the side.
Am currently in Boston (originally from India).
simple1i said:
Yes I'd stick with Android, lots of resources available, gives more flexibility. I don't think Nucleus OS is a viable option yet, it would be too expensive.
I take it SIM is a requirement too? I'll look around, the IP67 is not available yet, maybe the Ironman 3rd generation might be IP67, but the company (Unova) is full of liars, I was ripped off with the 2nd generation, I proved it's not IP67. Other then the IP67 the rest might be available, you'll need to search for it on AliExpress.
What country are you from?
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@simple1i ... is Android Wear OS same as Android 4.4 etc running on Z01 (and others) etc?
abuduri said:
@simple1i ... is Android Wear OS same as Android 4.4 etc running on Z01 (and others) etc?
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Found the answer ... http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-operating-systems-do-wearable-devices-run-on/
Looks like Android Wear needs a compatible Android phone for it to work.
So, I'll stick with just Android.
General rules with Chinese Android smartwatches
Broken firmware
Major security holes
Little to no official support (this includes the phone side app)
English (or any other language other than Chinese) for the phone app is very rare
Incomplete source code (when you can even get it) that is a generic build pulled from a phone
Inconsistent battery life due to broken firmware
IP67 is more like IP54 if lucky
Poor build quality and QC by western standards
Not Lokifish supported (I've walked away from the industry as a whole until they get their collective heads out of their butts)
kuronosan's time is limited so fixes may be slow
Depending on your needs and goals. Talk to Ingenic. The HW is a little slow on the Newton (SmartQ Z uses it), not sure about the Newton 2. Either way they have source (Linux, Android, etc). The package is small enough that you could design and build a smartwatch that's about the same size as a real watch, but the display will need a new "crystal" to pull it off nicely. Find a compatible round display, and you should be able to use off the shelf watch cases with minor modifications giving you a 200m diver's smartwatch if you do it right.
*Side note
Even with a 1/2 million buy in for 3000 units we designed ourselves, Umeox still would not have provided source code, and little to no support. That's what the Chinese ODM's are like. kuronosan can verify this.
@abuduri - I'm not sure if my reply to your PM went thru? I can't see it in my sent folder. Did you get it?
I'm still working on stuff for the Omate. I just haven't actually had any free time as of late. I can't just take off of work to put work into a device that's difficult to troubleshoot. If I can be of any help let me know.
I've just started working with smartwatches, but I'm happy to help however I can. I'll be attempting some work on the s8, and I know my way around Android pretty well.
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I'm still working on stuff for the Omate. I just haven't actually had any free time as of late. I can't just take off of work to put work into a device that's difficult to troubleshoot. If I can be of any help let me know.
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@kuronosan @chainsol - thanks guys.
The thread for the new smartwatch is here, we have 5 people so far: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3115221 - including an electronic engineering. [emoji818]
firmware files of z01
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I want to source an Android smart watch from China for a project am working on. I want to change the menu interface it comes with and replace with a custom interface specific for my purpose (means no custom control to intended audience).
Thoughts Needed
Does anyone here have a similar experience?
Are they good at customizing ROMs and interfaces according to requirements?
If not, how easy is it to hire somebody to build a custom ROM with custom interface (for say MTK6572)?
Any recommended suppliers you know?
Phase 1 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements - 100 Units Order
Android OS
GSM/GPS
Touch screen
Mic/Speaker
Charging points on the back side (no micro-usb slot on the side)
Shortlisted AK-S5 or AK-S7
Phase 2 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements
All from Phase 1
IP67 or IP68
Magnetic based charger point on the backside
Heart rate sensor at the backside
Shortlisted - None available yet
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need firmware files for z01 (android 5.1)