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Telus HTC P4000 = CDMA Hermes?

Hey everyone,
I've decided to start a post on this cuz i haven't been about to find much on this recently released phone from telus (a canadian carrier). I currently have an HTC TyTN. However, the touchscreen is completely dead. Since this phone isn't sold by any canadian carriers, it's virtually impossible to get it repaired let alone replaced.
I've recently come across the Telus HTC P4000 which was officially launced by telus in april. I noticed the specs are very similar to that of the TyTN except for the following:
-A CDMA phone without a sim card slot.
-256 mb rom vs 128 mb rom
-64 mb sdram vs 64 mb ram? (**i dunno if the hermes ram is SD)
-a QUALCOMM MSM7500, 384 MHz CPU vs a Samsung 400 MHz CPU.
I'm thinking of selling my X01HT and signing up with telus and grabbing that phone. I could really use some feedback on this idea from my fellow Hermes owners. And could use some help measuring the pros and cons.
So far the major CON of going to this phone would be that it's slightly slower and looks to have ZERO upgradability in terms of OS, RADIO, or any type of rom flashing. Meaning no sweet WM6 upgrades from custel or jasjamming or any of the other cool chefs...
Here are some links:
http://www.telusmobility.com/content/clientcare/pcs_east/guides/htc_p4000/htc_p4000.pdf
-user manual (specs can be found here as well)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/04/17/the-htc-p4000-for-telus-in-the-flesh/
-engadgetmobile article on this phone
Any feedback or thoughts would be great. Thanks guys...

I din't know how much money you want to spend, but expansys do a good range of phones - including the dopod 838 pro (http://www.expansys.ca/)
I think most of these are phone only, without contract etc but I'm sure you can shop around for something with a contract.
Personally for my style of useage I'd spend out on one of the Hermes varieties.
You could also try ebay - maybe pick up a bargain 8525 or an old hermes to repair yours with.
Good luck

I just bought 2 HTC P4000 for some of our work phones. One has been activated so far, and it is working great. It is allot slimmer than the PPC-6700, which I had last year. I am a newbie when it comes to upgrading these things or doing hacks etc, but I am quite happy with the phone so far. If you have any specific questions please feel free to ask me and I will try to answer them for you.

thanks guys,
I passed by a telus store today to check it out. The lady was nice enough to take a brand new phone out of its box and run it for me. I got to play around with it for a while and here are my impressions which are mostly positive:
-the slid out keyboard seems to have some kind of power assist feature (not exactly but you know what i mean, think hiptop) which makes it pretty cool and easier to slid out as oppose to having to manually push up the screen till you hear it lock into place (X01HT)
-The HTC P4000 is virtually the same size except just as twelveca stated, it is slightly thinner.
-same white default htc bootscreen + a telus logo screen and wm5 setup. I doubt the possibility of any kind of upgrade unless there are some crazy chefs out there that get their hands on this phone.
-has FN and CAPS lights just like a computer keyboard!
-black keyboard, dark gray screen housing, and a bumpy pattern on the back for added grip.
-I checked out the device info screen and to my surprise, it said it has a !400! MHz CPU as oppose to the 384 MHz stated in the specs. 64 MB RAM, 256 MB Onboard Flash memory confirmed.
-From the few minutes playing with it, it seems to perform at the same level (if not better) as the HERMES.
-Doesn't show any signs of screen alignment problems.
-EVDO High speed wireless capable.
There ya have it, looks like i'm leaning towards buying it. Just have to get over the idea that i won't be able to upgrade roms (for now at least) or use sim cards...But other than that, it seems like a great phone.

Oh i just found a link to a "Complete" review of the P4000 on HF
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1153541
It includes points i forgot to mention as well as ones i didn't even know of...
Here are some of them (note these are compared to the ut starcom 6700):
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-dual core processor??
- REV A compatible (with software upgrade which Telus has officially announce they will do)
-more buttons on face and sides
-better one-handedoperation
-bigger battery
-better battery life
-better brighter screen
-better 2mp camera with improved software and settings
-AKU 3.3 which brings with it A2DP among other things
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P4000
Just recently picked one of these up and have had a couple of days to play with it. I upgraded from an Imate PPC (original 2003 edition) and could not be happier.
This is a rock solid PPC, only wish my GPS hardware was compatable, sigh.
I was a little unsure of Telus but after my fiascos with Rogers, i dont expect them to give me half the grief.

cool, i'll be picking one up probably some time next week...just gotta figure out how i'm gunna cancel my plan with fido and transfer the number over...
...maybe we can start a new forum for this phone when more people have it...

Who that knows as to unlock Telus or P4000 ?

HTC TYTN
ji1386, how much do you want for your broken TYTN?

TYTN
ji1386, if you want to sell your broken TYTN, I could use it for parts if unable to fix it. Send me a PM with your offer. Thanks

I have this phone basically since it came out from Telus, and I must say I am quite enjoyikng it. Best Pocket PC phone out, IMO.
This phone is upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.....however, there is no confirmed release date on when this will be. Also, checking the HTC site will most likely get you nowhere as Telus will need to configure this upgrade to have Telus aspects on there, for instance, The Telsus bootscreen, the today themes, etc.

GPS in HTC P4000
The GPS in this phone someone post what u gotta do to get GPS working on this phone in Stand Alone GPS Mode with No A-GPS.

Replacement for Titan?

Well, my Titan (Telus P4000) went for a swim last night and is now dead. Telus no longer carries this model, but is offering me a $300 credit toward a new phone.
I've been fairly happy with my P4000, so I wouldn't mind a similar replacement... but the only HTC models they carry now are the Touch, Touch Diamond, and Touch Pro. Of those, only the Pro has the slide-out QWERTY keyboard, but it lists for $650 ($350 after my credit). The Diamond lists at $299 (free with my credit), and the original Touch at $399.
So here's my question to the group: any thoughts on these other phones and whether I'll find them a "suitable" replacement? I can look at the specs, but those won't tell me how well any of them are going to compare functionally with the Titan (like, if they have sh*tty graphics acceleration, lousy bluetooth support, or no internal GPS).
The hardware keyboard would be ideal, but I can survive without it if necessary. The only other two features I'm concerned about are the "real" GPS, and a spot for my 8GB SD card (according to Telus, the Diamond doesn't have a card slot, but does have 4GB of onboard memory).
And of course, the ability to upgrade the ROM with something like dcd's fantastic Titan ROMs is highly desirable - is there lots of development being done for these other three phones?
TIA for any and all input.
Edit: Oh yeah, they have the Samsung "Omnia" as well, looks pretty nice - really big screen, really thin. No hard keyboard tho. That'll run me about $200 after my credit.

DCD makes roms for the touch pro now.

Good to know, although budget will probably keep me away from that one.

I'm switching to the touch from my titan
i found finger keyboard 2.1 and i love it so it helped me decide to loose the clunky slide out qwerty
plus the touch is only 50 dollars from verizon
here's that keyboard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501434

StupidCid said:
i found finger keyboard 2.1 and i love it so it helped me decide to loose the clunky slide out qwerty
plus the touch is only 50 dollars from verizon
here's that keyboard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501434
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Just downloaded it... gotta fly out the door, but I'll be checking this out! Thanks!

Thinking of upgrading...

Hello all,
I bought a Rogers HTC Dream a couple of weeks back but stupidly performed the E911 update. The whole thing has me pretty bitter knowing that I can't get anything past Android 1.5 on there (for now) and I was thinking of selling it while I can still get a decent price. What would you recommend if I were to upgrade without paying too much of a premium. Here's what I have so far:
1. Stick with the Dream, wait for exploit to root/flash new roms
2. HTC Magic - newer Android, but still Rogers (they blow), and no QWERTY
3. LG Eve- QWERTY, but resistive screen and unknown build quality
Ideally, I'd want to stick with Android as I love the OS, but would also like a QWERTY if possible. Milestone is a bit out of my price range. Any suggestions?
Cheers

The G1 without Rogers. nuff said lol

Haha I was thinking of that as well. I was also weighing up selling both the Dream and my 32GB Zune HD which could fetch a pretty penny up here in the Great White North and getting the Milestone....hmmmmm

This is why we buy the T-Mobile G1 and use the rogers sim card =) Pretty sure the Rogers G1 was only out there to attract kids with the keyboard

My QWERTY replacement suggestions for the G2

Hello everyone,
I have been using the g2 for many years, probably used around 3 of them, however its hardware is aging and I have moved onto other devices, though I still keep my G2 as a backup phone. I am sure many of you here are die hard qwerty fans like me, and would apprecaite an upgrade, as such I decided to list a few phones that could be upgrades to your g2 below.
Phones I have personally used:
T-Mobile mytouch 4g slide
Specifications
Dev support for this device is pretty much dead, as the last active dev for it spoilt his phone, however there's still a 99% functional cm11(4.4.0) rom for it. This device feels really fast compared to the g2 and it is an overclock monster. Its keyboard doesnt feel as comfortable as the G2's, but it is still decent. You can easily unlock it and use it on any GSM network, it takes a mini sim and supports much higher 3g speed than the g2. It also has a removeable battery and sdcard slot.
Verizon Droid 4
Specifications
It has official cm11 support and an actively developed kernel. It is very fast thanks to its 1gb of ram, apps no longer get killed due to low ram. It has the best keyboard on the market, and once you've used it, there's no going back. It takes a micro sim and you can use it on any GSM network outside the US, with a few exceptions though. Unfortunately its battery is not removeable, however it does come with a sdcard slot and has 8gb internal storage. Used ones are dirt cheap on eBay.
You can choose the Droid 3 if removeable battery is a must for you, everything is the same as the Droid 4 except no ffc and a slower clocked cpu, and no LTE if you're using it on Verizon. It takes a mini sim
Blackberry Q10
Specifications
You are reading it right, yes, Blackberry. First of all, it has the fastest hardware among all the phones here, its OS is pretty much stock android with an overlay, and you can install just about any android app directly onto it (play store doesnt't work, so only sideload), so essentially it can be classifed as an android phone. It has a really good keyboard which is expected of a Blackberry, removeable battery and sdcard slot. If you want LTE you can just get the variant which works with your carrier's frequency.
Phone which I have not used myself
T-Mobile LG Optimus F3Q
Specifications
I can't comment much on this phone as I have not used it myself, it is currently only available through T-Mobile. It has the largest battery among all the phones here. As at the time of this post, it does not have a forum on xda, however, someone has managed to root this phone already (with a few hicups), you can read more about it here
I hope you guys will find this guide useful, it shall serve as my contribution to this forum as being on it for so long.

I didn't realize you can use the droid4 with most carriers, I take it you must unlock the sim though. Good to know thanks
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T-Mobile MyTouch Q (LG c800)
T-Mobile MyTouch Q (Huawei u8730)
Samsung galaxy s relay 4G
Sony Ericson Xperia Mini Pro
Sony Ericson Xperia Pro
T-Mobile mytouch 3g slide

demkantor said:
I didn't realize you can use the droid4 with most carriers, I take it you must unlock the sim though. Good to know thanks
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You do not need to perform any unlocking as long as your sim is not from a US carrier.

Ah but it is, T-Mobile
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The Motorola Photon Q looks good as well, pretty good development as it has official PacMan and an AOSP ROM. Unfortunately I can't have any of these phones as I'd have to import them from America for lots of money. I'm might just be a traitor and get a non qwerty phone next as long as the screen is so big that typing isn't a problem. It'd be cool to get my hands on a HD2.

HTCDreamOn said:
The Motorola Photon Q looks good as well, pretty good development as it has official PacMan and an AOSP ROM. Unfortunately I can't have any of these phones as I'd have to import them from America for lots of money. I'm might just be a traitor and get a non qwerty phone next as long as the screen is so big that typing isn't a problem. It'd be cool to get my hands on a HD2.
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The Photon Q does not have a sim card slot, you'll have to perform a hardware mod and it is quite tedious, however it is dirt cheap. A brand new in box one can be had for less than 90 usd. Personally I would suggest the droid 4 (or droid 3 if you want removable battery), a used one can be had for around 60 usd.

I was also forced to retire my G2 as it no longer charges right nor does it hold it charges even new batteries are being put in, plus it's getting so dangerously hot that I can no longer feel safe using it.
I am happy to say though that the LG Optimus F3Q by T-Mobile is a good replacement for the G2.
It's not the perfect replacement but it is certainly an improvement.
The keyboard layout is not as nice as the G2 as there is only one Caps key on the left instead on both side like on the G2.
The keypress feedback is also not as nice as the keyboard on the G2.
But everything else is almost an improvement. The Android run much smoother with 1gb of ram and the better processor.
However, like the G2, the F3Q is only useable if you root it and have Link2SD running on it plus the 2gb ext2 partition on the SD card as the internal memory is simply not enough for a practical android user.
Yes, for the same price of the F3Q, you can get a much faster phone with much bigger and better screen with double the rams and better looking phone like the Nexus5. That would be my choice of phone to get if I can give up the keyboard.
However if you need a GSM android phone with physical keyboard, the F3Q is really the only choice left for you.

I will be receiving a Droid 4 in a couple of days now. It is super cheap on ebay for a mint condition unit with a clean ESN, charger, battery, and back cover. I already purchased and transferred my number over to a MicroSIM that is currently in its non-punched SIM state, and when the Droid 4 is unlocked and I get SafeStrap running on it, I'll be just popping out the MicroSIM cutout and transferring it over to the new phone. I don't care if it runs the same version as the Desire Z, I just want a bit more ram, because the 384 or whatever is in the Desire Z is just not having it with 4.X ROMS. The 1GB on the Droid 4 should be plenty for testing new roms and whatnot.
Couldn't care less about the screen, to be honest.
The F3Q looks like the one to get because it's a SnapDragon processor, as opposed to an unsupported OMAP, but for the price, I went with the Droid 4, and will be trying that one out. Worst case, I just pop the sim card back into regular SIM punch-out, and tape the back of it so it doesn't move, then transfer it to the Desire Z again.

since the thread was brought back...
I have been looking for a replacement for my Desire-Z (AT&T sim) as well. running CM11 with little problems, but the phone is getting old. And im about out of memory no matter what i punt to SD.
got an XT860 (Droid 3), but its stuck at Android 2.3.4, so that was a no-go
using a Samsung Glide i927 right now.
- downsides:
stuck at Android 4.0.4. using anything else looks like it kills Bluetooth, camera and a few wifi issues.
no spell check/correction when using physical keyboard.
no physical notification lights (email/text/call)
no App to control "permissions" of other Apps (using AVG Tuner on DesireZ does this, need > Android 4.1 to get another App to do same)
that said it works well, but im not so sure I wont go back to desireZ do to stated limitations.
I had hopes the Droid 4 would get cracked for US/ AT&T but i dont see that happening.
a physical keyboard is not critical, but HUGELY important to me. I dont have feeling enough in my fingers most of the time to work the digital keyboard.

I went from the G2 to the Samsung Galaxy Relay 4G. As far as I am aware, it is the best QWERTY option available for T Mobile users.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s-relay-4g
We have our own forum, CM11 milestone release, somewhat working Lollipop ROMs available.

No way. The Droid 4 is a way better phone, specs wise. And after installing Lollipop today, I am a believer. It's the perfect replacement.
Snappy. Pretty good screen. Good Camera. Lots more ram. Accepts 64gb SDCard, and works on virtually all networks.
Safestrap is relatively easy to use, and with the Razr Utility, flashing to 4.1, rooting, and then installing safestrap 3.75 to install a loli rom is super easy.
Annnnnnd the one I got was 50 USD, and it was listed as MINT condition. When I got it, it was exactly as described. MINT. not a scratch on it.
Easily the best G2 replacement.
My only gripe is that the keyboard is a bit more tactile (I liked the subtle desire z keyboard), but it is larger and more roomy. the layout is also different, so it will take some getting used to. but it's waaaay brighter than the DZ keyboard anyways. which is a plus!

I've just realised that none of them is offered by my net provider in Poland.

Very happy with my Mi Max 2

Got the 64gb international version from gearbest last week to replace my Nexus 6 ( previously phones Sony Z Ultra, Huawei Mate 7, Galaxy Mega previously, Dell Streak). Best phone so far by a long shot. 4G Telstra works fine here in Australia with this model.
Build quality is great and got an OTA update this morning which was a surprise, wasn't expecting much from a Chinese phone after my experience with Huawei. Put Google Now launcher on because its what I am use to which works fine.
Only complaints are the lack of Australia in the region list which means I get an American accent on Google Maps. Screen is a bit washed out compared to the OLED Nexus 6 but that sucked in the day light where as the Mi Mix 2 is heaps better out doors. I need a good out door screen for my drone flying and the Mi Max does a great job.
Honestly thought I would have more issues with this phone but its great and cheap too.

thanks for the review. Can you kindly confirm if the sd card when inserted is working nicely?

sd card work great as well as battery

I too ordered the international 64gb version, just unpacked it and damn... A worthy replacement for my Nexus 6. Prior to that, I checked the wiki and contacted my mobile operator just in case and two out of three bands for LTE work with this phone in Estonia (Northern EU).

Ok a week in now and oh boy is this a great phone, battery is phenomenal!!! Not sure about the SD card, I don't need one with 64gb on board.
Navigation bar button lights were irritating when reading using the Kindle app at night but just disabled them for the kindle Kindle app in the settings, too easy.
10/10 so far for me, a Xiaomi convert.

bazzanaja said:
thanks for the review. Can you kindly confirm if the sd card when inserted is working nicely?
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I actually did have a problem with the SD card. It worked fine on my old phone (Sony C5 Ultra), and my computer could read the data too. But the Xiaomi told me it was corrupt. Switched it back to the Sony and it was fine, so whatever the issue was, was with Xiaomi. I copied all of the data to my PC, let Xiaomi re-format and then copied the data back. A little bit annoying, but had no issues with it since then. Maybe the phone cannot read some format types (ExFAT etc)?

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I actually did have a problem with the SD card. It worked fine on my old phone (Sony C5 Ultra), and my computer could read the data too. But the Xiaomi told me it was corrupt. Switched it back to the Sony and it was fine, so whatever the issue was, was with Xiaomi. I copied all of the data to my PC, let Xiaomi re-format and then copied the data back. A little bit annoying, but had no issues with it since then. Maybe the phone cannot read some format types (ExFAT etc)?
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Same with me, I think the phone can only read FAT32 or whatever, SD card works fine but only after phone re-formats.

Versi38 said:
I actually did have a problem with the SD card. It worked fine on my old phone (Sony C5 Ultra), and my computer could read the data too. But the Xiaomi told me it was corrupt. Switched it back to the Sony and it was fine, so whatever the issue was, was with Xiaomi. I copied all of the data to my PC, let Xiaomi re-format and then copied the data back. A little bit annoying, but had no issues with it since then. Maybe the phone cannot read some format types (ExFAT etc)?
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adampa1006 said:
Same with me, I think the phone can only read FAT32 or whatever, SD card works fine but only after phone re-formats.
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global rom causes this. Use xiaomi.eu ROM and you won't have this issue.

I bought the 4gb/64gb Indian model. Looks and performs like any premium phone.

mingonn said:
Got the 64gb international version from gearbest last week to replace my Nexus 6 ( previously phones Sony Z Ultra, Huawei Mate 7, Galaxy Mega previously, Dell Streak). Best phone so far by a long shot. 4G Telstra works fine here in Australia with this model.
Build quality is great and got an OTA update this morning which was a surprise, wasn't expecting much from a Chinese phone after my experience with Huawei. Put Google Now launcher on because its what I am use to which works fine.
Only complaints are the lack of Australia in the region list which means I get an American accent on Google Maps. Screen is a bit washed out compared to the OLED Nexus 6 but that sucked in the day light where as the Mi Mix 2 is heaps better out doors. I need a good out door screen for my drone flying and the Mi Max does a great job.
Honestly thought I would have more issues with this phone but its great and cheap too.
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Hey mate, we have similar taste in phone. I can't agree more with what you said. I don't think that region option affect much to your phone functionality besides the bookmarks on the built-in browser, you can change the Google TTS voice from the language and input settings and change your voice to Australian or UK English.
Just got this baby to replace my Mi Max 1. I love huge phone, and this by far the best phone I've owned so far (Mi Max 1, Nexus 6, Z Ultra, LG V10, Samsung Note 4, Mediapad X2, Honor Note 8) the best thing is it's so cheap, 300 AUD shipped from Ali.
Black global, 64GB, Aldi mobile (Telstra), Vodafone Dual standby, and 128GB micro SD card altogether with the extension thingy.
Also, you're right, stay away from Huawei as far as possible. Total crap. (Honor Note 8 & Mediapad X2 owner here)