Calling all audiophiles.
What do you think of the quality of the digital analogue converter (DAC) on the Note 2? Is it good enough to justify buying an expensive high end set of headphones? I've been burned before by HTC's supposed focus on audio and the deal with Beats, only to find the sound quality utter garbage.
I'm not an audiophile, but a crystal clear sound is a must for me. I'm pretty happy with Note's 2 performance, but i think you might need to just check for yourself cause this is very subjective. But i completely agree on HTC Beats audio - garbage sound with ridiculously high amounts of enchancements and low boosts does not mean good audio quality ( beats fans, dont eat me alive pls, its just my opinion )
I think that most true audiophiles would not be caught dead listening to music using a Samsung phone. To me, that word means people who are willing to spend thousands of dollars on cables. Some audiophiles have cables at home that cost more than my car.
The definition of the word audiophile may of course vary...
With that said, I work full-time as a musician and audio quality is very important to me although I would never call myself an audiophile. My Note II with the PlayerPro player listening to FLAC files has been a truly pleasant surprise. I don't even use an EQ anymore because I love the sound of the hardware a lot.
What is a high end set of headphones to you? My Note II sounds fantastic with my Sennheiser HD-25-1 II cans. Sounds really great! I also have a pair of Beyerdynamic DT1350 and they also sound great with my Note II, but the comfort isn't quite to my liking so I usually keep the Beyerdynamics on my nightstand and use them when I watch videos or listen to music in bed for short periods of time. The HD-25-1 II is what I carry around with me on the go and I am more than pleased with this as my portable listening rig. Actually I'm incredibly satisfied. I had my Note II for a month before I even tried listening to music with it, so I wasn't aiming on using it as a portable player when I bought it. Since the day I finally tried it though I have been using it to listen to music nearly every day. I sold my iPod video 5.5 gen and Sansa clip zip. I still have my Cowon J3, not going to sell that.
I also have a pair of Shure SRH940 that I use in my home recording studio, they are amazing with the Note II also, but I only use the Shures at my desk, I don't take them out of the house.
ozaghloul said:
Calling all audiophiles.
What do you think of the quality of the digital analogue converter (DAC) on the Note 2? Is it good enough to justify buying an expensive high end set of headphones? I've been burned before by HTC's supposed focus on audio and the deal with Beats, only to find the sound quality utter garbage.
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It's more or less the same as the chip in the I9300. Just make sure you use a kernel that supports Voodoo Sound aka Scooby Doo aka Eargasm, such as RedPill or Perseus.
Sound without it is pretty flat, but once you turn it on you will be pleasantly surprised! I use Sennheiser HD439
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It's more or less the same as the chip in the I9300. Just make sure you use a kernel that supports Voodoo Sound aka Scooby Doo aka Eargasm, such as RedPill or Perseus.
Sound without it is pretty flat, but once you turn it on you will be pleasantly surprised! I use Sennheiser HD439
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It is not the same chip like in I9300. Note2 uses Yamaha sound chip, while S3 has Wolfson. The difference is hearable between those two devices. S3 wins with deeper bass and clarity of high frequencies. I own Note2 and S3, and I like listening to music on my S3 more.
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It is not the same chip like in I9300. Note2 uses Yamaha sound chip, while S3 has Wolfson. The difference is hearable between those two devices. S3 wins with deeper bass and clarity of high frequencies. I own Note2 and S3, and I like listening to music on my S3 more.
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Nope. The Note II has a Wolfson DAC. See here, straight from the horses mouth.
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/media_c...dio_to_samsung_galaxy_note_10.1_and_samsung_/
Audio output with my Creative Labs Aurvana In-Ear3's is absolutely top notch with Perseus kernel eargasm setting.
tehaerpl said:
It is not the same chip like in I9300. Note2 uses Yamaha sound chip, while S3 has Wolfson. The difference is hearable between those two devices. S3 wins with deeper bass and clarity of high frequencies. I own Note2 and S3, and I like listening to music on my S3 more.
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Dude, where are you getting your news from ? The note 2 has a wolfson chip
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Dude, where are you getting your news from ? The note 2 has a wolfson chip
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Well, that's strange, as I work at Samsung's R&D and every engineer says it is Yamaha in N2
If you work at Samsung do you know if they are working on a fix for the audio skipping, ect. When the Note 2's screen is off.
I've tried different players and it keeps happening. I've heard others talking about this and saying the same thing.
I'm just wondering about it as it really is a major issue if you ask me.
Thanks.
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tehaerpl said:
It is not the same chip like in I9300. Note2 uses Yamaha sound chip, while S3 has Wolfson. The difference is hearable between those two devices. S3 wins with deeper bass and clarity of high frequencies. I own Note2 and S3, and I like listening to music on my S3 more.
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Well, that's strange, as I work at Samsung's R&D and every engineer says it is Yamaha in N2
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It's definitely got a Wolfson WM1811 Audio Hub. STweaks and Voodoo apps both pick up and can configure the chip. Also mentioned on iFixit tear down. Added to the above posted Wolfson news bulletin, this is kind of overwhelming evidence
Onemoa said:
If you work at Samsung do you know if they are working on a fix for the audio skipping, ect. When the Note 2's screen is off.
I've tried different players and it keeps happening. I've heard others talking about this and saying the same thing.
I'm just wondering about it as it really is a major issue if you ask me.
Thanks.
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I work at European R&D, we request only international projects (N7100 for example) so I cannot answer your question.
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It's definitely got a Wolfson WM1811 Audio Hub. STweaks and Voodoo apps both pick up and can configure the chip. Also mentioned on iFixit tear down. Added to the above posted Wolfson news bulletin, this is kind of overwhelming evidence
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Yeah, I just googled it. Well, maybe the engineers were referring to old H/W version. There's a lot of hardware changes when the project is in "ongoing" phase. Sorry for my mistake.
Well its all cool as long as the final result is the right answer
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I keep mi iPhone and my Bose Mie2i sounds much better on iPhone. But SGN2 still have an amazing audio quality, just keep away the stock earphone also the Monster are a myth, best experience on Sennheiser ie80 or Bose Mie2 (w/o "i").
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The galaxy note 2 sound output is more than enough for me
Sound alive + scoobydoo sound = best sound ever
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Thanks for all the replies. I didn't really think about the definition of audiophile before, and I guess it varies greatly. I am not a musician, nor do I know how to play any instrument. I can however tune many instruments only using my ear. My current music setup is the newest ipod with a set of Sennheiser IE60. However my cat chewed through those, so I was considering buying the IE80, but didn't want to do it if the Note 2 didn't have a good DAC. It seems from all the replies that the DAC is good enough to justify the $460 for the IE80.
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It's more or less the same as the chip in the I9300. Just make sure you use a kernel that supports Voodoo Sound aka Scooby Doo aka Eargasm, such as RedPill or Perseus.
Sound without it is pretty flat, but once you turn it on you will be pleasantly surprised! I use Sennheiser HD439
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Sorry for sounding noobish, do I need to root to use those kernels? Do they come with a rom? I'd really rather not have to root and risk voiding warranty, and from previous experience with a One X the custom roms didn't add much to my experience. Is it possible to get Voodoo Sound or Sound Alive without rooting?
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t seems from all the replies that the DAC is good enough to justify the $460 for the IE80.
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Not $460 USD I hope! They can be had from Amazon for sub $300.
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Not $460 USD I hope! They can be had from Amazon for sub $300.
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You're RIGHT! I was checking the price on the Sennheiser website.
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Is it possible to get Voodoo Sound or Sound Alive without rooting?
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Sound Alive comes in the stock ROM. Check out the settings in the Music Player app.
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You're RIGHT! I was checking the price on the Sennheiser website.
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Blimey, that's a mark up and a half! You have $160 to spend on something else now
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Sorry for sounding noobish, do I need to root to use those kernels? Do they come with a rom? I'd really rather not have to root and risk voiding warranty, and from previous experience with a One X the custom roms didn't add much to my experience. Is it possible to get Voodoo Sound or Sound Alive without rooting?
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sound alive is Stock music player enchantments
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and forget about one x cuz Rooting and installing kernels - Roms are so easy on Samsung devices
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Hi guys,
I'm new to xda developers and its my first post,i need help to determined which better in sound quality (specially in calls) galaxy s4 or htc one i'm not a fanboy to any company and i'm little afraid from samsung because i have samsung s2 and it's with my respect extremely bad with below average sound level many time in noisy enviroments i can't hear the caller even with my handfree is on !!!
sound quality is my biggest concern and factor if will i buy galaxy s4 or not because i do a lot of calls and listen to music for hours can any body help me to decide please?
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Hi guys,
I'm new to xda developers and its my first post,i need help to determined which better in sound quality (specially in calls) galaxy s4 or htc one i'm not a fanboy to any company and i'm little afraid from samsung because i have samsung s2 and it's with my respect extremely bad with below average sound level many time in noisy enviroments i can't hear the caller even with my handfree is on !!!
sound quality is my biggest concern and factor if will i buy galaxy s4 or not because i do a lot of calls and listen to music for hours can any body help me to decide please?
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As far as external sound quality conserned...htc one is ahead..but in internal sound (headphones) wether its call sound or music ...s4 is more impressive than one
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This is based upon many reviews I read.
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ipsuvedi said:
As far as external sound quality conserned...htc one is ahead..but in internal sound (headphones) wether its call sound or music ...s4 is more impressive than one
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This is based upon many reviews I read.
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thank you for your opinion,can put some reviews you read that discuss this matter.
dude u r posting in the wrong place :silly:
and i've never ever had any call quality issue on my GS2 in more than 1,6 years nor on my Note2
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ipsuvedi said:
As far as external sound quality conserned...htc one is ahead..but in internal sound (headphones) wether its call sound or music ...s4 is more impressive than one
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This is based upon many reviews I read.
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but stereo speakers will give nicer sound but not louder
Nah, the sgs2 is fairly low with the max call volume compared to some other phones I've had and the popularity of the increased caller volume mod seems to imply that a lot of people wanted somewhat more. The sgs3 was better and no one seems to be complaining about in call volume in the reviews for the sgs4. IMO if it is a strong consideration wait for the phone to hit the shelf and try one out at a local shop. You wont have to wait much longer and will have a definitive answer.
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Nah, the sgs2 is fairly low with the max call volume compared to some other phones I've had and the popularity of the increased caller volume mod seems to imply that a lot of people wanted somewhat more. The sgs3 was better and no one seems to be complaining about in call volume in the reviews for the sgs4. IMO if it is a strong consideration wait for the phone to hit the shelf and try one out at a local shop. You wont have to wait much longer and will have a definitive answer.
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thank you sir, but in egypt there is no phone trying and that's a shame every local shop there is one rule take it or leave it just like that.
krabman said:
Nah, the sgs2 is fairly low with the max call volume compared to some other phones I've had and the popularity of the increased caller volume mod seems to imply that a lot of people wanted somewhat more. The sgs3 was better and no one seems to be complaining about in call volume in the reviews for the sgs4. IMO if it is a strong consideration wait for the phone to hit the shelf and try one out at a local shop. You wont have to wait much longer and will have a definitive answer.
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maybe ur phone has somthing wrong !!!
All my Samsung phones have great call quality
yahyoh said:
maybe ur phone has somthing wrong !!!
All my Samsung phones have great call quality
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I never said anything about sound quality, I said sound volume which is a different thing. The sgs2 had easily the lowest max call volume of any phone I have recently owned and the increased call volume mod was popular with it and included in most roms for a reason. The OP does not appear to be a native English speaker and my impression is that it is max call volume he is referring to rather than the actual call quality even though he did use those words. Perhaps I am mistaken and he really was referring to call quality?
Either way if this is a make or break issue IMO getting a hold of a handset and trying it out is the only way to know for sure that something subjective like sound is going to be acceptable. The OP indicated this is not possible in his local at least from a shop but perhaps he has an acquaintance that is purchasing the phone that might let him try it out?
yahyoh said:
maybe ur phone has somthing wrong !!!
All my Samsung phones have great call quality
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I'm not saying the sound is bad all i'm saying is the sound level is not so great and the volume is below average specially in noisy places and i want to sure that galaxy s4 is better because i'm really love to have one.
yahyoh said:
dude u r posting in the wrong place :silly:
and i've never ever had any call quality issue on my GS2 in more than 1,6 years nor on my Note2
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not really
but stereo speakers will give nicer sound but not louder
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I said sound quality and...
Sound quality doesnt mean only loudness...
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The best, safest bet on headphone quality now (incl S4) is still I9300 or Note2 (or iPhone if you are so inclined). Supercurio reported there are frequency conversion issues with even the Wolfson S4 = noise. And no Qualcomm chip phone has equaled Wolfson to date in S/N.
My transition from GS2 to GS3 I9300 was mind-blowing. It is also a simple hack to turn up the volume to a reasonable level for demanding IEMs.
I was craving HTC One when it came out, but the headphone/camera risk is too great.
Why am here to boost sound quality lol......check my rom......
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BaronInkjet said:
The best, safest bet on headphone quality now (incl S4) is still I9300 or Note2 (or iPhone if you are so inclined). Supercurio reported there are frequency conversion issues with even the Wolfson S4 = noise. And no Qualcomm chip phone has equaled Wolfson to date in S/N.
My transition from GS2 to GS3 I9300 was mind-blowing. It is also a simple hack to turn up the volume to a reasonable level for demanding IEMs.
I was craving HTC One when it came out, but the headphone/camera risk is too great.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one-review-912p7.php
The one seems to have much better audio quality then the most other qualcomm devices.
BaronInkjet said:
The best, safest bet on headphone quality now (incl S4) is still I9300 or Note2 (or iPhone if you are so inclined). Supercurio reported there are frequency conversion issues with even the Wolfson S4 = noise. And no Qualcomm chip phone has equaled Wolfson to date in S/N.
My transition from GS2 to GS3 I9300 was mind-blowing. It is also a simple hack to turn up the volume to a reasonable level for demanding IEMs.
I was craving HTC One when it came out, but the headphone/camera risk is too great.
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I don't like iphone so much with apple price tag and closed ios and i think about galaxy s3 & not 2 but it's old now & updates will run out very soon on both devices so really i'm very confused!!
egyptian86 said:
I don't like iphone so much with apple price tag and closed ios and i think about galaxy s3 & not 2 but it's old now & updates will run out very soon on both devices so really i'm very confused!!
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get the Exynos Octa version which will have Wolfson WM5102 which is wayyyyyyyyy better than the piece of junk Qualcomm DAC
gsmarena has updated their readings. It seems that dac in qualcomm version is amazing.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914p8.php
Nik0la said:
gsmarena has updated their readings. It seems that dac in qualcomm version is amazing.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914p8.php
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WOW great improvement
Dont go into the tests too much..these minor differences cannot be noticed by most of the users..In simple words if the S4 has a wolfson DAC, your ears are in for a treat. Simple. I have a nexus 10 which has a wolfson DAC and nexus 4 which I guess doesn't and I can tell the differences when I listen to music on each of these devices.
Sound quality or call quality? Sound quality depends on your media, the DAC's S/N ratio, bit depth/sampling rate, your headphones, etc.
Call quality depends on your cell network
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ARPwizard said:
Sound quality or call quality? Sound quality depends on your media, the DAC's S/N ratio, bit depth/sampling rate, your headphones, etc.
Call quality depends on your cell network
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:good::good:
It seems that we have a winner for audiophile headphones listeners...gsm arena has confirmed in audio quality test that S6 is better than last year htc m8. One drawback is the volume levels ( this is samsung registered trademark) but this is easely resolved by adding an external amplifier or by rooting and modify the volume levels.
I'm waiting for real world reviewers!!
P.S. exynox + wolfston was always a winner in this category and it seems that this time Samsung has a winner...
calinormy said:
It seems that we have a winner for audiophile headphones listeners...gsm arena has confirmed in audio quality test that S6 is better than last year htc m8. One drawback is the volume levels ( this is samsung registered trademark) but this is easely resolved by adding an external amplifier or by rooting and modify the volume levels.
I'm waiting for real world reviewers!!
P.S. exynox + wolfston was always a winner in this category and it seems that this time Samsung has a winner...
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This time I agree with them, but what they writes better not to read. Look only tests results.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56587777&postcount=17
Dynamic range (higher is better)
htc one m8 93.9
galaxy s6 91.9
Noise level (higher is better)
htc one m8 -94.9
galaxy s6 -92.6
Stereo Crosstalk (higher is better)
galaxy s6 -83.4
htc one (m8) -79.7
Smoother green line is better
galaxy s6
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htc one m8
2 points difference in dinamic range or noise level means for me nothing considering that stereo crosstalk is now the best for any phone.
Samsung with snapdragon had prapund -55 and now we have -83. The days with the sound delivered in the center of our head ar gone, now we have space in music!
So happy to see this. I still don't understand for the life in me why Samsung devices always have low volume output through headphones. Its very annoying in the gym.
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I was going to post the same.
Just for reference, dB is more like a logarithmic scale. It means 70 dB intensity is 10x more than 60 dB. Similarly 80 dB intensity is 10x more than 70 dB.
The difference here is 5.4 dB. This means that the actual sound intensity is increased by 3.46 times. For quick calculation of difference in sound intensity from dB:
- Find the difference (which is 75.9 - 70.5 = 5.4)
- Divide this by 10 (5.4/10 = 0.54)
- Find the base 10 antilog of 0.54 (use this antilog calculator link, which is 3.46 times)
And somehow GSMArena found S6 to be quieter than S5
The loudspeaker is average in loudness and quieter than the Galaxy S5
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So happy to see this. I still don't understand for the life in me why Samsung devices always have low volume output through headphones. Its very annoying in the gym.
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maybe cheap earbuds or possibly need some ear cleaning?
my S4 i rarely go past 60-70% while at the gym and it's more than loud for me. i don't like taking my earbuds off and hearing my ears ring afterwards.. it's no wonder people seem to be going deaf these days..
Gsmarena has found that speaker loudness is worst than s5, not the headphone volume...
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Gsmarena has found that speaker loudness is worst than s5, not the headphone volume...
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And they have already been proven wrong a few times. Their review sucked
calinormy said:
It seems that we have a winner for audiophile headphones listeners...gsm arena has confirmed in audio quality test that S6 is better than last year htc m8. One drawback is the volume levels ( this is samsung registered trademark) but this is easely resolved by adding an external amplifier or by rooting and modify the volume levels.
I'm waiting for real world reviewers!!
P.S. exynox + wolfston was always a winner in this category and it seems that this time Samsung has a winner...
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do u still listen to music from ur phone with the built in audio jack? like seriously? -_-
there are quite affordable audio AMPs and DACs combos available these days, and they DO make a difference. why not get the portable ones and use them to power ur music?
thats the dilemma, people are ready to spend like US $800 on a phone but cant buy a US $50 audio device to power their music and call them selves, "AUDIOPHILE"....
*SMH*
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do u still listen to music from ur phone with the built in audio jack? like seriously? -_-
there are quite affordable audio AMPs and DACs combos available these days, and they DO make a difference. why not get the portable ones and use them to power ur music?
thats the dilemma, people are ready to spend like US $800 on a phone but cant buy a US $50 audio device to power their music and call them selves, "AUDIOPHILE"....
*SMH*
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Oh gawd...one of those...
Do you really play games on your phone? That's what a PC is for..
Do you really take pictures with your phone? Buy a real camera!
Do you really watch movies? That's what a TV is for.
A smartphone is a jack of all trades master of non. So yes..I listen to music on my phone. And I expect it to do well.
Think the same. Yes, I listen music on my mobile phone, and, for me, it's something important.
If you rely on the USB DAC for audio you will lose the ability to pick up calls handsfree while listening to music, and more importantly stress the USB connector if you are listening on the go. My only concern with the headphone audio is a comment made by François Simond ( Supercurio ) about his listening to the S6, possible artifacts in resampling 44.1 to 48k on the device.
any idea if its better than the note 4?
its my current music device, carrying 15gbs of music (mp3 and under 320)
GreeleyXda said:
any idea if its better than the note 4?
its my current music device, carrying 15gbs of music (mp3 and under 320)
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It's almost guaranteed to be better. The Note 4 uses the built in DAC on the Snapdragon 805 chip which is considered to be fairly poor. The S6 on the other hand will use a Wolfson DAC which will sound great stock and even better when developers begin tuning the sound output.
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This is the main reason I'm getting the s6 (don't know if I'll get the edge or the regular. Depends on pricing t-mobile gives). Last phone with a dedicated dac was the galaxy note 2 for tmobile with the exynos chip. The dac and everything sound a great and a custom kernel by boeffla taped into the dac to unleash it's full potential. I'm not an audiophile but I do like my music to sound good on mobile. Converted all my flacs to m4a and have the vmoda m100 and that's plenty for me. Have looked at USB dac but I don't want to have to worry about anything else. Also Samsung pay has me drooling a little but. Hopefully tripping KNOX by rooting the thing doesn't Disable Samsung pay
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It's almost guaranteed to be better. The Note 4 uses the built in DAC on the Snapdragon 805 chip which is considered to be fairly poor. The S6 on the other hand will use a Wolfson DAC which will sound great stock and even better when developers begin tuning the sound output.
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I brought my mrs note 4 down to the samsung experience store with me when I tried out the s6 in headphones. The s6 is cleaner sounding but the note 4 is louder.
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I brought my mrs note 4 down to the samsung experience store with me when I tried out the s6. The s6 is cleaner sounding but the note 4 is louder.
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I'm not sure if you tested headphone output or speaker quality but the DAC will have most of an effect on the headphone output. A great DAC can't make up for crappy speakers.
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I'm not sure if you tested headphone output or speaker quality but the DAC will have most of an effect on the headphone output. A great DAC can't make up for crappy speakers.
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Note 4 is louder in Headphones. I personally couldn't care about speakers that much, as long as its loud enough to hear my callas and texts thats good enough for me and the note 4 is louder than the s6 in speaker too.
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It's almost guaranteed to be better. The Note 4 uses the built in DAC on the Snapdragon 805 chip which is considered to be fairly poor. The S6 on the other hand will use a Wolfson DAC which will sound great stock and even better when developers begin tuning the sound output.
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How do you know this? Do you have any reviews that back this up?
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Could U compare Mate 7 sound output on earphones to Galaxy note 2 or Xiaomi Mi4? The first one had very good sound quality but Mi4 has disappointed me in this field.
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Could U compare Mate 7 sound output on earphones to Galaxy note 2 or Xiaomi Mi4? The first one had very good sound quality but Mi4 has disappointed me in this field.
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Oh god yeah when I heard Mi 4 video on youtube, recorded sound I almost vomited ...
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Oh god yeah when I heard Mi 4 video on youtube, recorded sound I almost vomited ...
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I use Beyerdynamic DT1350, and I am not at all impressed with the sound of M7...it is one of the weakest things about this device..
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I use Beyerdynamic DT1350, and I am not at all impressed with the sound of M7...it is one of the weakest things about this device..
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Try turn DTS on
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Try turn DTS on
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I do.. it just sound fake...
my old Galaxy note sounded better..
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I use Beyerdynamic DT1350, and I am not at all impressed with the sound of M7...it is one of the weakest things about this device..
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no phone will push headphones that good buy 1 of these will sound ALOT better http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiophile-...794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae79a6f22
The sound is not good at all and its not very loud.
Im using Hidizs AP100
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no phone will push headphones that good buy 1 of these will sound ALOT better http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiophile-...794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae79a6f22
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I have plugged in my headphones to many other devices and phones without an extermal headphone amp.
I can say for instance, I was quite impressed with the sound of my LG G2.
Mate 7 compared to my LG G2 is big difference...
My DT1350 headphones sounds very well without a headamp of course.. I have plans to buy a good USB DAC for my phone when I get the money
Like this one http://www.headstage.com/Arrow-5TX/....html?XTCsid=d99628f16e91ce69c9d50b1b0173b532
It is small enough to have in my backpocket in my jeans.
Further I try to avoid listening to headphones as much as possible since it will cause a big strain on your ears due added sound pressure (I have mild tinitus)
But when I am on vacation or travel to a different city and not at home it can be nice to have a good portable sound.
At Home I have an Antelope Eclipse AD/DA converter and Trident HG3 speakers.
But yes... this DTS "bull****" Mate 7 is just a marketing term just like this braindead "retina sound" for people who do not know or care much about audio..
DTS have a good effect on the Phone speakers since it adds more bottom and richness to the sound but with headphones it just adds "fake sound"
it is not a sound I would "trust" . With that said I bought this phone knowing it was not perfect, I drop my Lg G2 in the floor..I was desperate to get a new phone was and I did refuse to buy the Note 4 because of the insane price, plus I admire good screen to body ratio, a big smart phone today is NOT smartphone if there has been no focus to slim down the dead area, I want as much screen area as possible otherwise it's simply and idiotic construction, Huawei and LG are one of the few who understand screen to body ratio is important.
Blackinfinity, you only THINK your Headphones sound good with other phones, TRUST ME, i got into audio and i for instance was using these http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-...id=1428598957&sr=8-2&keywords=beyer+dt+770+80 which are 80 ohm,s like yours and i thought the headphones sounded OK, then i got a headphone amp, and it became VERY apparent that the headphones want alot more current to sound good then what comes out of your phone,seriously when i plugged em into the amp, i thought i had seriously upgraded my headphones, sounded ALOT better
I have the d880 too... They are hard to drive and react to amplification a lot more..
Dt1350 are made to sound good unamplified since that his how most people use headphones these days... However I still want a good portable headphone amp.
your headphones are 80 ohms they will improve with a amp
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guys.. i was on OPPO find 7a till few weeks ago..
trust me audio on opo find7a was so so much better than mate 7 !
I'm not an expert in audio/sound.. but even my ears could tell the big difference! I'm not talking just about the LOUDNESS.. but the richness of the quality of the sound!!
I don't use smartphone essentially for music but.. it's such a pity that this nice mat 7 lack in the audio so much :-/
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Blackinfinity, you only THINK your Headphones sound good with other phones, TRUST ME, i got into audio and i for instance was using these http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-...id=1428598957&sr=8-2&keywords=beyer+dt+770+80 which are 80 ohm,s like yours and i thought the headphones sounded OK, then i got a headphone amp, and it became VERY apparent that the headphones want alot more current to sound good then what comes out of your phone,seriously when i plugged em into the amp, i thought i had seriously upgraded my headphones, sounded ALOT better
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Whos gonna carry bloody amp it is like have brick in pocket then...
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guys.. i was on OPPO find 7a till few weeks ago..
trust me audio on opo find7a was so so much better than mate 7 !
I'm not an expert in audio/sound.. but even my ears could tell the big difference! I'm not talking just about the LOUDNESS.. but the richness of the quality of the sound!!
I don't use smartphone essentially for music but.. it's such a pity that this nice mat 7 lack in the audio so much :-/
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Audio is not as easy as you say, impedance synergy pairing and headphone / IEM play a large role in the perception you have, for me with my IEM's collection the Mate 7 sound realy good, better than my old Wolfson Note2 using Viper4Android or Boeffla kernel.
Here the audio test part on GSMARENA to compare between both:
Find 7
The Oppo Find 7 put in a stellar performance in the first part of our audio quality test. It had excellently high volume levels to go with its very clean output. Barring for the slightly high IMD reading this is one of the best score sets we've seen lately.
However, the smartphone faltered quite a bit when we plugged in a pair of headphones. Its frequency response started missing the mark now and then, the IMD rose further and the stereo crosstalk hiked quite a bit. It's not as bad as the stereo crosstalk disaster that was the 7a, but elsewhere the more premium member of the pair lagged behind its stablemate. Volume level dropped as well, adding up to what was a good, but not quite flagship-worthy performance here.
Find 7a
The Oppo Find 7a audio output is certainly among the cleanest we have seen when the smartphone is connected to an active external amplifier. Posting excellent scores top to bottom in the first part of our test, the Find 7a was also nicely loud, producing one of the best performances out there.
Plugging in a pair of headphones tells a different story, however. The stereo crosstalk increases way beyond the point where it can be considered as good, or even acceptable. The other readings remain great, but the high cross-channel leakage has the potential of damaging the whole audio experience for more exacting users and put the Oppo Find 7a below the current crop of flagships as far as audio output is concerned.
Mate 7
The Huawei Ascend Mate7 did excellently in the active external audio test, posting great scores and showing no weaknesses to its performance. The only thing to potentially frown at is its sub-par volume, but quality-wise it's right up with there with the best.
Impressively enough, plugging in a pair of headphones causes a very minor increase in stereo crosstalk - in this scenario the Ascend Mate7 ranks even better compared to the competition, which often see more degradation. Alas, the volume is below average here too, so we can't really say it's the best phablet for audio playback, but we can certainly promise you it will play every track the way its authors meant it to sound.
With my sensitive InEar SD3 I have plenty of volume, I listening beetween 3-5 most of the time, I dont want to end up deaf
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Whos gonna carry bloody amp it is like have brick in pocket then...
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The sound quality for me on headphones is the best I have ever heard from the Mate 7.
Thoroughly impressed.
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I am a bit of audiofile but NOT crazy one..
But guyyzz if u want TRULLY amazing audio quality FROM smartphone I'll tell you which phone to get ..
It is called Vivo X5 ..
There is studio version u probably NEVER seen packaging like this !
The phone uses audio chip
Yamaha YSS205X-CZE2,
Cirrus Logic CS4398 DAC
and headphone amplifier Maxim Integrated MAX97220
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^ lol, now that is packaging
Better than any Smartphone I have ever used.
I have tested the S6 Edge with lossless FLAC music purchased from an online store (24 bit 96 khz). I played back using the Onkyo HF app over aptx to my Hi Fi. I am astonished at the quality of reproduction. You can also try ripping a CD in FLAC lossless format and the playback quality is great over wired or BT audiophile headphones.
Thanks for your opinion! ! This mobile is really great
Great review which also covers audio aspects in detail http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/04/27/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-the-review/
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Better than any Smartphone I have ever used.
I have tested the S6 Edge with lossless FLAC music purchased from an online store (24 bit 96 khz). I played back using the Onkyo HF app over aptx to my Hi Fi. I am astonished at the quality of reproduction. You can also try ripping a CD in FLAC lossless format and the playback quality is great over wired or BT audiophile headphones.
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do u have any technical detail about S6E audio outputs? (speaker/s and headphone jack)
if i remember correctly it doesn't have stereo speaker! can u make video for comparison of S6E sound?
Thanks
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do u have any technical detail about S6E audio outputs? (speaker/s and headphone jack)
if i remember correctly it doesn't have stereo speaker! can u make video for comparison of S6E sound?
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Please read the review I linked to above. The audio assessment is not about the speaker but the ability to reproduce audiophile level of quality for headphones and aptx devices.
I'm a bit of an audiophile myself and the S6 really is amazing. Using the Shure se846 it sounds as good as through my Macbook Pro. No amp or external DAC necessary.
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I'm a bit of an audiophile myself and the S6 really is amazing. Using the Shure se846 it sounds as good as through my Macbook Pro. No amp or external DAC necessary.
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I also use the S6 Edge with my custom in-ears ( not UE Personal Reference, but it was tuned to my ears by a friend - I'm FOH engineer and also work in studio as well ). It sound as good as iphone's output. Pretty much un-colored signal. I remember there are threads about S6 Edge somewhere in this forum about audio quality with lots of debations of S6 Edge audio. Totally not true. Listen to Natalie Cole - Yo Lo Amo (And I Love Him) [feat. Chris Botti] on the S6 Edge was as enjoyable as on iphone 6 ( i owned both iphone 6 and 6 plus + ipad Air ). My S6E was rooted, no ViperFX ( ViperFX is good, but it is way too colored and not real, at least to my ears) , played with PowerAmp, Flat setting with no Samsung crappy audio FXs as well.
S6 Edge Speakers are loud but they are crappy in comparison to iphone 6...but headphone output is pretty much on par
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I also use the S6 Edge with my custom in-ears ( not UE Personal Reference, but it was tuned to my ears by a friend - I'm FOH engineer and also work in studio as well ). It sound as good as iphone's output. Pretty much un-colored signal. I remember there are threads about S6 Edge somewhere in this forum about audio quality with lots of debations of S6 Edge audio. Totally not true. Listen to Natalie Cole - Yo Lo Amo (And I Love Him) [feat. Chris Botti] on the S6 Edge was as enjoyable as on iphone 6 ( i owned both iphone 6 and 6 plus + ipad Air ). My S6E was rooted, no ViperFX ( ViperFX is good, but it is way too colored and not real, at least to my ears) , played with PowerAmp, Flat setting with no Samsung crappy audio FXs as well.
S6 Edge Speakers are loud but they are crappy in comparison to iphone 6...but headphone output is pretty much on par
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Fellow engineer here, also UE10 pro custom user for 9 years before the Logitech acquisition. Anyhow, I'll have to check this out!
I'll definitely check out some of my personal reference recordings.
I've yet to take the phone to a live gig and see how it handles transients and kick drums at 120dB! SEC in the past has been major fail. Although the camera on the Note 4 handled Ace Frehley fairly decently, right on the edge of the stage, quite loud, over 123dB! The iPhone 6 had about the same amount of distortion at that gig, FWIW. Most ALCs on these devices hard clip well before that level. The S3 was really bad, could not handle FOH levels in most venues.
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Fellow engineer here, also UE10 pro custom user for 9 years before the Logitech acquisition. Anyhow, I'll have to check this out!
I'll definitely check out some of my personal reference recordings.
I've yet to take the phone to a live gig and see how it handles transients and kick drums at 120dB! SEC in the past has been major fail. Although the camera on the Note 4 handled Ace Frehley fairly decently, right on the edge of the stage, quite loud, over 123dB! The iPhone 6 had about the same amount of distortion at that gig, FWIW. Most ALCs on these devices hard clip well before that level. The S3 was really bad, could not handle FOH levels in most venues.
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Hmmm, the phone to a live gig to record u mean ? Pretty sure it wont stand. I mix variable genres of music. My in-ears were tuned to matched with the UE PErsonal Reference response but with less boost at 10k. I found those peaks of UE Capitol version are way too bright.
Anyway, S6 edge handles quite well even with a very loud commercial Rock track with loud RMS , eg: I'm A River - FooFighter. Its a very busy track with lots of things going on, even with string ensemble at the end but my IEM wasnt distorted, which is a good thing. I think the output on S6E was a bit low in compare to ip6 but loud enough for low impedance high sensitive headphone or IEM. My IEM impedance is around 50 Ohm but it seems to be fine with S6E. Quite transparent.
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Hmmm, the phone to a live gig to record u mean ? Pretty sure it wont stand. I mix variable genres of music. My in-ears were tuned to matched with the UE PErsonal Reference response but with less boost at 10k. I found those peaks of UE Capitol version are way too bright.
Anyway, S6 edge handles quite well even with a very loud commercial Rock track with loud RMS , eg: I'm A River - FooFighter. Its a very busy track with lots of things going on, even with string ensemble at the end but my IEM wasnt distorted, which is a good thing. I think the output on S6E was a bit low in compare to ip6 but loud enough for low impedance high sensitive headphone or IEM. My IEM impedance is around 50 Ohm but it seems to be fine with S6E. Quite transparent.
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Yes, the camera one has with them is the best camera as the saying goes.
So with that in mind I like to test these devices under all sorts of conditions.
If a device can capture the crack of a stun gun's arc without distorting, I'd be impressed.
Then again, most equipment struggles with that, it's like trying to get a speaker to reproduce a square wave.
I'm definitely not into loud (as in compressed, no crest factor) recordings. Those will fry your ears, might as well stand next to a kiloton Frick chiller running at WOT.
For rock I'm more of a Robert Fripp guy.
I am using customs Lime Ears Aether and s6 edge sounds really good but to be frank this is still thin compared to Ibasso DX90 [emoji9]
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What surprised me the most with this device is how powerful the speaker is. Quality is there too ...
But when you listen to music with your headset it's very impressive. Sound is very clear and deep. It's so cool to have many toggles to improve quality. Samsung has already been the best I think regarding sound (not talking about speaker ... HTC boomsound remains above all).
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Nice IEM man. Looks like Noble custom IEM to me i also use a pair of Westone UM Pro 50 + AKG K812 Pro. They also sound as they are supposed to be on S6E.
DX90 bass is a bit colored dont u think ? I love tight and uncolored low end. Kinda punchy.
S6E speakers ? Bleh!
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Yes, the camera one has with them is the best camera as the saying goes.
So with that in mind I like to test these devices under all sorts of conditions.
If a device can capture the crack of a stun gun's arc without distorting, I'd be impressed.
Then again, most equipment struggles with that, it's like trying to get a speaker to reproduce a square wave.
I'm definitely not into loud (as in compressed, no crest factor) recordings. Those will fry your ears, might as well stand next to a kiloton Frick chiller running at WOT.
For rock I'm more of a Robert Fripp guy.
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Pretty sure S6e wont keep up with high SPL IMO. Lemme know your result. My previous ip6 wont keep up but with Sony Z3, sound was fantastic after recording full HD ( Z3 allows u to choose high or low mic recording volume ).
Another year, another round of Nexus' (Nexii?) without this great technology.
Is there a reason why Google continues to leave it out of their phones? One would think it is a very Nexus-appropriate feature.
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Another year, another round of Nexus' (Nexii?) without this great technology.
Is there a reason why Google continues to leave it out of their phones? One would think it is a very Nexus-appropriate feature.
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Cuz it's useless for them.... Quite honest I don't even know what it is.... Most don't....
Why'd they leave it out? probably the power penalty and licensing fees, plus nobody cares about apt-x.
Most likely the licensing fee. Also, how many headphones actually support apt-X? Do beats headphone support it?
I haven't heard a single Bluetooth device, aptx or no, that sounds as good as wired cans or IEMs, and I've bought the high end Parrot, Sennheiser, Bose models and returned each one. For me, that's the aptx killer. The source can be stellar, but if you play it back on stuff that sounds like crap, you're still left with crap.
Well you need aptx compatability on both ends for it to work. Otherwise your stream will default to the ****ty SBC.
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Just wondering why the Nexus line avoids this when LG/Samsung/HTC/Sony all have it. I'd really like to pair my 6P up with my headunit in the car and get some decent sq without cables.
Probably because most people who care a lot about sound quality don't use Bluetooth. Also
Android Auto
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Wow, I didn't even realize the 6p didn't have apt-x
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I would love for it to have APT-X but it's not a deal killer for me.
Here's Google's response to your question in a Reddit AMA yesterday:
"DB> No but aptx support for Android in general is something we’re thinking about."
Fingers crossed, it might actually happen!
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Most likely the licensing fee. Also, how many headphones actually support apt-X? Do beats headphone support it?
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Beats aren't exactly high end headphones despite their high price so I doubt they do. I have a few sets of Bose headphones but my hearing is pretty bad so I doubt I would notice the difference with APT-X anyway
Not a deal breaker, but I would love to have it. The Moto X sounded really good with me Sony BT headphones using Apt-X. I originally was using Viper but I quickly realized that my music quality went down hill. Disabled it, and my music quality went back to normal.
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Well you need aptx compatability on both ends for it to work. Otherwise your stream will default to the ****ty SBC.
Just wondering why the Nexus line avoids this when LG/Samsung/HTC/Sony all have it. I'd really like to pair my 6P up with my headunit in the car and get some decent sq without cables.
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70.5bps? That doesn't even make sense. It appears the max bitrate for SBC is 345kbps. I use a OnePlus One in my car for BT audio with spotify 320kbps, and it doesn't sound much different than plugging my iPhone 5 via USB for audio with the same source.
Here's a quote from an article at bringsound.com. I don't know how credible this source is, but it seems to mirror my experience without apt-x.
"Many recent devices implement SBC at a high enough bit rate that aptX doesn’t appear to make a noticeable difference in sound quality. "
The main difference between SBC and apt-x appears to be lower latency (something I don't care about for my situation) and fewer artifacts. This isn't really something to be up in arms about, IMO.
coming off of devices that support the Apt-X protocol to see this left off is really really disappointing. So much so that it's keeping me from placing an order as I contemplate it.
Once you hear the difference, and there is a huge difference, you never want to go back to a2dp aka normal bluetooth quality again.
Is the support strictly a software limitation - meaning could it be added by an app or custom ROM?
To some this is a non-issue, but for others its huge. I don't consider myself an audiophile, nor do I think you need to be to hear the difference.
Me too. I really like Aptx and sound quality is important to me. I believe it's just a licensing issue, ie. Google has to pay CSR to include the protocol.
Very sad no Apt-X. I use it for car and headset. It's really easy to tell when Apt-X is turned off. I see what it sounds like when my 6P arrives and go from there.
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Very sad no Apt-X. I use it for car and headset. It's really easy to tell when Apt-X is turned off. I see what it sounds like when my 6P arrives and go from there.
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Probably because most people who care a lot about sound quality don't use Bluetooth. Also
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Wow, good counter argument to people who whine about using bluetooth speakers over built in Stereo speakers!
BURN
lol Kidding, but seriously I am shocked at how low the quality of BT music is... I'll be using USB audio soon so oh well.
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Well you need aptx compatability on both ends for it to work. Otherwise your stream will default to the ****ty SBC.
Just wondering why the Nexus line avoids this when LG/Samsung/HTC/Sony all have it. I'd really like to pair my 6P up with my headunit in the car and get some decent sq without cables.
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You realize that "CD Quality Sound" is garbage right? 24bit 192khz or go home. Also...the dynamic range compression... Ugh.
Does android auto not use bluetooth to transfer the audio? If it truely does pass through with usb thats a possitive for sure. However i hope the auto makers make the port you plug it into be quick charge at a high amp rate or its all for naught.
For other devices such as small bluetooth speakers or headphones my ears would not forgive me
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Very sad no Apt-X. I use it for car and headset. It's really easy to tell when Apt-X is turned off. I see what it sounds like when my 6P arrives and go from there.
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I finally got my 6p and can give you my experience without Apt-X. Sorry this is long. Hopefully helpful.
My Setup:
Headphones: Sony MDR-10RBT
Phone #1: Galaxy Note 4 (Apt-X)
Phone #2: Nexus 6p
Source: Google Music (Audio set to High on Wifi)
Headphones:
Showing 3 blue flashes for both phones (means SBC (high quality), AAC or aptX selected automatically)
http://helpguide.sony.net/mdr/10rbt/v1/en/contents/04/01/04/04.html
"Subjective" Part:
Sorry to say that the 6p does not sound as good. I can easily hear the difference. Sorry I'm not good at describing it (I'm an engineer and not an audiophile sound reviewer), but here goes. With Apt-X and the Note 4, bass notes sound lower and the high notes sound more transparent and crisp than with the same songs on the 6p. Music sounds punchier and just more clear. Definitely not my imagination. If I had someone in the room here, I could have them randomly connect the headphones up to one of the phones and I'm certain I could bet my life on picking which phone I was connected to with 100% accuracy.
So does the 6p sound bad?? If I never heard the Apt-X version over these headphones, I would not know any better and the music would (and does) sound great. I almost wish I had not compared them side by side and I would have been happy with the 6p sound. Ignorance is bliss. But now that I know and have heard, it will make me a little crazy (I'm a bit OCC that way), but I'll live.
If this is the very small price I pay getting off that crap locked buggy Verizon Note 4, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.