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[Help]Rogers Magic not working in Japan/Korea

I have an unlocked Rogers Magic that I have been using for more than a year now. Everything was fine until I started travelling on work to Japan and Korea.
In those 2 countries I had never gotten a signal no matter what setting I tried to put it on. Even going into the band selection using *#*#4636#*#* it didnt work.
I saw something on the web about the Rogers Magic not having the same supported frequencies as what is used in Japan.
What bands does the Rogers Magic support? close
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900 MHz-Up to 7.2 Mbps down-link and 2 Mbps up-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(from HTC site)
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800 and 1700 for Japan (Docomo and Emobile)
(from wiki)
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Is there no way I can get it to work in those two countries?
Thank you for any help that can be offered.

cainester said:
I have an unlocked Rogers Magic that I have been using for more than a year now. Everything was fine until I started travelling on work to Japan and Korea.
In those 2 countries I had never gotten a signal no matter what setting I tried to put it on. Even going into the band selection using *#*#4636#*#* it didnt work.
I saw something on the web about the Rogers Magic not having the same supported frequencies as what is used in Japan.
Is there no way I can get it to work in those two countries?
Thank you for any help that can be offered.
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Nope. It has to have the same frenquency to get on those network. This model is designed for European and North American bands. Any country (in the 228) using GSM (tri or quad band) should work.
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Docomo (North America use UMTS1800(Band II) technology.)
Docomo provides 2G (mova) PDC cellular services in 800 MHz and 1.5 GHz bands (total 34 MHz bandwidth), and 3G FOMA W-CDMA services in the 2 GHz (UMTS2100) and 800 MHz(UMTS800(Band VI)) and 1800 MHz(UMTS1800(Band IX)) bands.
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Emobile is UMTS1700 only.

silvertag said:
Nope. It has to have the same frenquency to get on those network. This model is designed for European and North American bands. Any country (in the 228) using GSM (tri or quad band) should work.
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Docomo (North America use UMTS1800(Band II) technology.)
Emobile is UMTS1700 only.
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Thanks for the reply.
So with your information you mean Japanese Docomo should offer a UMTS1800 as well so my phone should work there?

cainester said:
Thanks for the reply.
So with your information you mean Japanese Docomo should offer a UMTS1800 as well so my phone should work there?
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No they have the 1800Mhz band but they use a different version. Rogers Magic is on UMTS1800 Band II (2). Docomo is using UMTS1800 Band IX (9). Since it is not the same technology (and probably not the same chip) it won't connect.
Docomo is prototyping a 8 band amplifier so it can range from the 700Mhz to 2.5Ghz but there is nothing mainstream for now. If it works and can be manufactured they could offer this in the future. For now you should look a basic phone working on their network.
http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2010/001466.html

silvertag said:
No they have the 1800Mhz band but they use a different version. Rogers Magic is on UMTS1800 Band II (2). Docomo is using UMTS1800 Band IX (9). Since it is not the same technology (and probably not the same chip) it won't connect.
Docomo is prototyping a 8 band amplifier so it can range from the 700Mhz to 2.5Ghz but there is nothing mainstream for now. If it works and can be manufactured they could offer this in the future. For now you should look a basic phone working on their network.
http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2010/001466.html
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Thanks a lot silvertag for the help.
At least now I know there's no hope for my Magic to work there...!

The only Magic you could find there that works is the HT-03A for the foma band.
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/foma/pro/ht03a/

[Q] Droid X for a european ...

Hello,
I'm wondering if it's possible to desimlock the droid x .
I know that the Droid is only available with a verizon plan, but on Amazon, I can buy one without contract plan ( but work only with a verizon sim )....
So, if I Do that, can I root the phone to be able to use it with my sim card in belgium?
thanks for your help !

I am certainly not an expert, but I don't think you can use any type of SIM card with Verizon. I don't have a SIM card at all on Verizon, as I did when I used at&t or t-mobile

Ok ! thx !
But I'm really stupid to ask this question... I Have not see before that the Droid X is Only CDMA ... And in europe we only use 3G xD ! ...
My thread is useless.... sorry

U may use 3g but it is likely GSM, even if it is CDMA is it likely different frequency. Not trying to be an ass. Just state the facts. Sorry.
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@ksizzle9
We use different freq in europe :
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
US for Droid X :
CDMA , EVDO rev. A
EVDO is only available in US...
Most of Europe uses GSM, which is not compatible with EVDO, so EVDO will NOT work overseas.
I just need to wait a european version of the droid X ... Seems like a dream ^^

Aoshi.be said:
@ksizzle9
We use different freq in europe :
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
US for Droid X :
CDMA , EVDO rev. A
EVDO is only available in US...
Most of Europe uses GSM, which is not compatible with EVDO, so EVDO will NOT work overseas.
I just need to wait a european version of the droid X ... Seems like a dream ^^
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Have you seen the Milestone XT720? I know it's gsm and it may be unlocked. It's a lot like the droid X.
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Yes, but it's ugly... I'm using a htc desire sinds april, and I really Want to change for the droid X... but unfortunatly it's only available for the US market ( for the moment)
Wait&see...
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[Q] Are the International and US versions the same?

So are we going to be lucky enough to have a consistent handset for both US and international customers? It would be awesome for the US community if the devs were able to pool their resources worldwide instead of having to split their efforts.

The carrier branded ones maybe a little different, but the unbranded ones purchased in the US should be like international ones. But still, radios for LTE should be different

HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz

g3rm3n said:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
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Someone said that all 32GB models will have LTE, irrespective of country

NiCk.JaY said:
The carrier branded ones maybe a little different, but the unbranded ones purchased in the US should be like international ones. But still, radios for LTE should be different
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Thanks for the reply! I knew that carriers used different slices of spectrum and it makes sense that the radios would be different because of that, but will that affect ROM development the way the different processors on the One X have? Like, will it brick your US One if you tried to load an International One custom ROM?

christophernftl said:
Thanks for the reply! I knew that carriers used different slices of spectrum and it makes sense that the radios would be different because of that, but will that affect ROM development the way the different processors on the One X have? Like, will it brick your US One if you tried to load an International One custom ROM?
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No it won't, but rooting and stuff isn't for average people. You and me and all others who take up the 'risk' and 'time' of rooting can enjoy such privileges. And for the last question, no it wont brick, but obviously you'll have to be rooted to do such stuff And the differences won't be as huge as One X and One XL have.

NiCk.JaY said:
No it won't, but rooting and stuff isn't for average people. You and me and all others who take up the 'risk' and 'time' of rooting can enjoy such privileges. And for the last question, no it wont brick, but obviously you'll have to be rooted to do such stuff And the differences won't be as huge as One X and One XL have.
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Thanks again, I really appreciate the information. It definitely encourages me to upgrade even more knowing that there will be an entire WORLD full of people modding the handset.

Developer Edition LTE + DC-HSPA ??

HTC has updated the frequencies spec sheet to reflect better what we can expect from global variations of the One :
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
Specifically , frequencies:
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: : 900/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
Canada/ Latin America: 850/1900/2100 MHz up to HSDPA 42 Mbps
T-Mobile (US): 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 21 Mbps
Sprint: 1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA:
800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - LTE:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 800/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 MHz
T-Mobile (US)/ AT&T/ Canada/ Latin America: 700 MHz and AWS band
Sprint: 1900 MHz
At HTC blog site the frequencies for the HTC Developers edition is listed as :
http://blog.htc.com/2013/03/htc-one-developer-edition/
"Multiple frequency compatibility:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)"
With the AT&T version you can see that AT&T only gets HSDPA up to 21Mbps whereas the Canada version with the same bands gets up to 42Mbps
Question : Based on the Dev edition bands it looks like it should get DC- HSPA at 42 Mbps....is that right ??
I'd love to know that when I'm in an area with poor LTE coverage I can at least expect to get DC-HSPA speeds up to 42Mbps.
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I would guess its dc 42 by default and att rom/ modem restritcs to 21
Its the same hardware but cant be 100% sure until we get the devices.

that's because ATTs hspa+ network maxes out at 21. So if you're on att thats max you can get. Regardless of radio. You're not going to pull speeds that aren't available.

xcesivemastub8ah said:
that's because ATTs hspa+ network maxes out at 21. So if you're on att thats max you can get. Regardless of radio. You're not going to pull speeds that aren't available.
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Hi wrong! The specs stated there is the maximum bandwidth not the network's maximum speed. It would be a bad marketing for HTC if they were to put 21 if the true maximum speed is up to 42mbps. Take note that the numbers game plays with marketing perfectly.
And also HSPA+ is different than DC-HSDPA.
DC-HSDPA is a next generation HSPA+ where the bandwidth was doubled. And HTC stating that AT&T version doesn't get DC-HSDPA only means that it has different modem chipset than the others since there's no way to limit or multiply a bandwidth through software means.
It's just like making a single core processor a dual core by modifying a software.

Wait, what the hell? So the developer edition works on T-Mobiles network? When was this updated?
Nevermind, for some reason I thought it also included the 1700 band.
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mouzaihem said:
Wait, what the hell? So the developer edition works on T-Mobiles network? When was this updated?
Nevermind, for some reason I thought it also included the 1700 band.
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I'm not sure about the developer edition but the specs page of HTC was updated likely 19 hours ago.

Riyal said:
Hi wrong! The specs stated there is the maximum bandwidth not the network's maximum speed. It would be bad marketing for HTC if they were to put 21 if the true maximum speed is up to 42mbps. Take note that the numbers game plays with marketing perfectly.
And also HSPA+ is different than DC-HSDPA.
DC-HSDPA is a next generation HSPA+ where the bandwidth was doubled. And HTC stating that AT&T version doesn't get DC-HSDPA only means that it has different modem chipset than the others since there's no way to limit or multiply a bandwidth through software means.
It's just like making a single core processor a dual core by modifying a software.
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Hi wrong. Yea I don't know what you're trying to say. He asked about the att variant so I assumed he was on att. Which doesnt do dc-hspa+ . So if he's thinking he can buy the dev version and pull down 42, which I assumed was the purpose of the post, on att its not going to happen. I'm not sure were you got your marketing degree but Bad marketing would be if HTC would to say on the att variant specs that you can get anything more than 21 with the phone locked down to atts network. Imagine all the upset people on att suing them when they cant pull down 42 they claim on specs because atts network isn't built for 42. Not good marketing. The phone is for att and that's the maximum speed att gives so HTC is going to post it as the maximum speed for the att one. Simple..

Riyal said:
Hi wrong! The specs stated there is the maximum bandwidth not the network's maximum speed. It would be a bad marketing for HTC if they were to put 21 if the true maximum speed is up to 42mbps. Take note that the numbers game plays with marketing perfectly.
And also HSPA+ is different than DC-HSDPA.
DC-HSDPA is a next generation HSPA+ where the bandwidth was doubled. And HTC stating that AT&T version doesn't get DC-HSDPA only means that it has different modem chipset than the others since there's no way to limit or multiply a bandwidth through software means.
It's just like making a single core processor a dual core by modifying a software.
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The qualcom mdm chipset is the same it supports dc hspa+ att only uses singlecarrier on there network.
Its all the ul version.

Hi! I don't have a marketing degree sorry I'm a programmer not a marketer
Anyways what if AT&T would somehow decide to upgrade their HSDPA speeds in the next 6 months? Or maybe announce tomorrow that they will upgrade it soon? Isn't it a big down for HTC? The specs made there are not specs of the network where the phone is to be used. It's the specs of the phone itself. You can't advertise a phone that it doesn't have LTE only just because the networks that will be used in it doesn't support it right?
xcesivemastub8ah said:
Hi wrong. Yea I don't know what you're trying to say. He asked about the att variant so I assumed he was on att. Which doesnt do dc-hspa+ . So if he's thinking he can buy the dev version and pull down 42, which I assumed was the purpose of the post, on att its not going to happen. I'm not sure were you got your marketing degree but Bad marketing would be if HTC would to say on the att variant specs that you can get anything more than 21 with the phone locked down to atts network. Imagine all the upset people on att suing them when they cant pull down 42 they claim on specs because atts network isn't built for 42. Not good marketing. The phone is for att and that's the maximum speed att gives so HTC is going to post it as the maximum speed for the att one. Simple..
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The qualcomm MDM chipset has different versions.
Anandtech alone confirmed that the Asian version & the UK version has different MDM chipsets used.
Receive diversity is mandatory for LTE, but even the UMTS/WCDMA only One includes it since is is again required in part to enable the all metal design. All of the One models are based on Qualcomm’s 28nm 2nd generation LTE baseband, the MDM9x15 platform we’ve seen a bunch of, and its DC-HSPA+/GSM-only (LTE blocks fused off) sibling, MDM8215 for the UMTS/WCDMA only model. This is a big step up from the international edition of the One X and One X+ which both shipped without receive diversity and were based on the aging Intel/Infineon XMM6260 platform.
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You guys are basing facts on assumptions that came from others while I am basing it on technicalities. So I guess I'll leave it out on others to decide which they think is correct.
And yeah AT&T isn't using UL version. You can go to this thread instead
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2223236
and see that it's a WL version.
Nyxagamemnon said:
The qualcom mdm chipset is the same it supports dc hspa+ att only uses singlecarrier on there network.
Its all the ul version.
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Riyal said:
Hi! I don't have a marketing degree sorry I'm a programmer not a marketer
Anyways what if AT&T would somehow decide to upgrade their HSDPA speeds in the next 6 months? Or maybe announce tomorrow that they will upgrade it soon? Isn't it a big down for HTC? The specs made there are not specs of the network where the phone is to be used. It's the specs of the phone itself. You can't advertise a phone that it doesn't have LTE only just because the networks that will be used in it doesn't support it right?
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I don't know how we got off topic but Yes. The specs ARE of the network that they are to be used on since a carrier variant is tied to a specific carrier. Listen, You can't advertise a phone being able to download 42mbps on a network that doesn't have it. Its false advertising to tell att customers that they can get 42mbps with this phone. Which is what they would be saying if att one specs said 42 instead of 21. And what I was trying to clarify to the OP that he's not going to get. It doesn't matter if it had a chip capable of 1 million mbps. Its a phone meant specifically to be used on att and att can only do 21 so that's all they're going to tell you the phone can do because that's all you(the general public) need to know. As for your last sentence, You can and they do. Just Look at the nexus 4. No LTE advertising but LTE capable. If att was deciding they wanted to upgrade their network it wouldn't be a big down for HTC. All they would have to do is change the Att one specs on their site.
And att variant and dev edition are the same. Both the UL version. WL is cdma. Sprint.

ATT is ul. Mile needs to update his op
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expertzero1 said:
ATT is ul. Mile needs to update his op
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ATT stopped working on hspa.
Its LTE right now and a bud of mine told me they are currently turning on LTE Advanced. In my area they already turned it on but no press release though. You just see a minor speed bump until lte advanced chips are supported
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WOW !
I didn't realise my post would cause such a kerfuffle...I'm in Canada and simply wanted to know based on official specs provided whether the Dev edition would pull in DC-HSDPA speeds on Telus network that supports this dual channel technology
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adsam3927 said:
WOW !
I didn't realise my post would cause such a kerfuffle...I'm in Canada and simply wanted to know based on official specs provided whether the Dev edition would pull in DC-HSDPA speeds on Telus network that supports this dual channel technology
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The reason why att variant advertises different speeds even though theyre the same m7-ul model was given in the first 2 responses. Unlocked models don't advertise speed because there's no carrier to advertise for. The thread took a turn for the worst when, for whatever reason, someone decided they were going to hijackand and fill the thread with "facts" based on misinformation.

adsam3927 said:
WOW !
I didn't realise my post would cause such a kerfuffle...I'm in Canada and simply wanted to know based on official specs provided whether the Dev edition would pull in DC-HSDPA speeds on Telus network that supports this dual channel technology
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In case no one answered the OP, the answer is NO. Unless the published specs are wrong, it will not operate on the 1700/2100 band. I believe that is the same technology used by T-Mobile?

Does anyone know if this would work on Verizon Wireless?
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I asked Brian Klug, the author of the Anandtech review, this exact question and here is my question and his response.
"Hey Brian I have a quick question for you. Will the unlocked editions support HSPA+ 42?"
"The developer unlocked edition is only 21.1 single carrier 64QAM from what I know (AT&T variant)."
Judging by his review he's a lot smarter than I am so I'll take his word until we have confirmation otherwise.

mouzaihem said:
Wait, what the hell? So the developer edition works on T-Mobiles network? When was this updated?
Nevermind, for some reason I thought it also included the 1700 band.
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It always has. You just had to be in the refarmed 1900 or the LTE areas to get better than 2G.
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Does anyone know if this would work on Verizon Wireless?
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No, it won't. No CDMA authorization for it to do so.

Du22ty said:
I asked Brian Klug, the author of the Anandtech review, this exact question and here is my question and his response.
"Hey Brian I have a quick question for you. Will the unlocked editions support HSPA+ 42?"
"The developer unlocked edition is only 21.1 single carrier 64QAM from what I know (AT&T variant)."
Judging by his review he's a lot smarter than I am so I'll take his word until we have confirmation otherwise.
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That's disappointing... I really was hoping to have the 2 current best speeds for the One...LTE and upto 42Mbps.
Im with Telus and beginning to wonder if I should sacrifice 32Gb of storage and go with a Telus LTE/42Mbps device
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I highly doubt its 21 hes speculating. I posted info from diffrent sources regardingthe dc42. The mdm9215 supports dchspa by default.

Nyxagamemnon said:
I highly doubt its 21 hes speculating. I posted info from diffrent sources regardingthe dc42. The mdm9215 supports dchspa by default.
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It is 21 if using AWS on the T-Mobile system. I don't know what it gets on ATT.

SAR value of Max Pro M2

Hi,
Could anyone post the SAR value of this phone? Unable to find it anywhere else.
Thanks.

Body Sar 1.46 W/Kg
Head Sar 0.347 W/Kg

zoya4u said:
Body Sar 1.46 W/Kg
Head Sar 0.347 W/Kg
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Is this for the Indian variant? Could you post a screenshot please.
Thanks.

zoya4u said:
Body Sar 1.46 W/Kg
Head Sar 0.347 W/Kg
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This seems to be according to EU standards (measured over 10g).
Reference: www.devicespecifications.com
A review on flipkart.com states:
SAR VALUE: 0.619 HEAD
SAR VALUE: 0.445 BODY
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Is this the correct value as per India/USA standards (measured over 1g)?

0.619 W/Kg (head)
0.445 W/Kg (body)
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The above has been reported by another user.
I think this is the correct value for the Indian variant.