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My X has been running slow and a little funny. I have froyo 2.3.15, with FlyX Rom, Revolution Themes, LauncherPro Plus, and Beautiful Widgets all running. Revolution was the last thing I added about a week ago and ever since then, it seems to be running different. Its slower to react, doesn't change from portrait to landscape very fast, whenever I unlock the screen, if I'm holding it straight up and down, it always opens into landscape mode. This seems like a pretty standard setup to a lot of people on here. Any advice and info on this topic would be appreciated, or just conversation about what others are running similar or different. Thanks a lot!
(also, I ran quadrant benchmark with scores between 1440 and 1495)
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My X has been running slow and a little funny. I have froyo 2.3.15, with FlyX Rom, Revolution Themes, LauncherPro Plus, and Beautiful Widgets all running. Revolution was the last thing I added about a week ago and ever since then, it seems to be running different. Its slower to react, doesn't change from portrait to landscape very fast, whenever I unlock the screen, if I'm holding it straight up and down, it always opens into landscape mode. This seems like a pretty standard setup to a lot of people on here. Any advice and info on this topic would be appreciated, or just conversation about what others are running similar or different. Thanks a lot!
(also, I ran quadrant benchmark with scores between 1440 and 1495)
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I cannot recall whether or not FlyX includes the build.prop modifications or not, if not you would definitely want to make those. Other than that the only other thing I would recommend is giving MinFreeManager a shot, it changes the "low memory" requirements for the built in memory manager (task manager) of android. If configured properly it can really make a difference in both battery life and performance (not speed, but responsiveness). It does not do it for you, it lets you set the fields, so learn how to do it first, it varies depending on your use of your phone, I don't run any facebook or other streaming applications so my settings are 6,8,16,60,60,150 but this could vary greatly, and may adversely affect others, so read up on the app in the market.
Again that app will improve responsiveness, in that it will give you less delay when swyping the screen in the UI and such, in that your phone does not have to kill a task to free up memory to complete the next task, it will not improve benchmarks, at the same time, poor memory management will give you poor performance in real world use but may not affect your benchmarks, another reason that benchmarks are poor ways of measuring performance.
Outside of that, what it really comes down to is our Android systems need hardware acceleration... Google really needs to get of there... well... you know... and get with the game here, based off the recent discussion and their advisement to manufacturers to hold of the release of tablets until the next android release, I am hoping they are currently implementing it, but without GPU hardware acceleration in the UI and web browser, we will constantly have the appearance of choppiness and the illusion of poor performance even on our overqualified phones... it is one area where I am sad to say the iPhone has us beat... very sad to say... as a matter of fact, I just washed my mouth out with a bit of soap...
EDIT: a good example of how well that application worked for me over actual "tasks killers" on the market such as task killer and such... before having this app installed and configured, a quick investigation of "settings, applications, running services" and viewing the available memory, it would display "Avail:16MB+98MB in ##" after having this app and having it configured it displays "Avail:72MB+116MB in 26" I am assuming my poor UI responsiveness was due to the first of the two numbers...
Yeah I always hate to say that about iPhones too but they do seem to keep the same speed and responsiveness ALL the time... Oh well, they've been around a little longer so Android will just have to keep working on it. I believe it'll be there soon. I will try that app you recommended. I appreciate the speedy response.
brandon2x said:
Yeah I always hate to say that about iPhones too but they do seem to keep the same speed and responsiveness ALL the time... Oh well, they've been around a little longer so Android will just have to keep working on it. I believe it'll be there soon. I will try that app you recommended. I appreciate the speedy response.
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no problem, yeah, the iPhone has had GPU hardware acceleration in the UI since it came out, they structured their OS around it, Google chose otherwise, and I can only hope they regret that decision now... but hopefully they will make amends for that...
just make sure you read the post referenced in the app itself. It is written for the HTC Hero which only has 288MB of Ram as opposed to our 512MB Ram, but it still basically applies.
Keep in mind:
It does not automatically set on reboot until you tell it to, do not tell it to until you are sure the settings you have set do not mess with anything.
You probably will not notice a difference for about an hour... at least that's how long it took for me to truly notice a difference... I'm not really sure why, it apparently took that long for the priorities to take affect, and get the right processes killed, etc., etc. After that, especially later that day I was truly noticing a difference, especially in typing... I have always had a delay when typing on this phone, and that seems to be gone now...
yeah i was guessing that. i read an article at androidcentral.com about it and just set it to aggressive for now. applied it, but the specs under "running services" haven't changed so i'll give it an hour or so. i'll let you know how it turns out. thanks again!
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yeah i was guessing that. i read an article at androidcentral.com about it and just set it to aggressive for now. applied it, but the specs under "running services" haven't changed so i'll give it an hour or so. i'll let you know how it turns out. thanks again!
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Sounds good, your welcome and good luck!
If those settings work out for you without any problems, you'll probably want to up them a bit, it might say aggressive, but they are only so aggressive... If it makes a big difference for you then stick with them, if you still have slow down, and you are running what you described before, you can probably get away running settings similar to what I posted, just don't have them set on boot just in case, if they don't work out you can always set them lower or back to a preset. It is definitely something you can expiriment with, if worst comes to worst, you can always reboot, but as long as you don't touch the first 4 values, you won't mess anything up, the worst that you will do with the last 2 is temporarly screw up facebook sync. or something similar, and really you can get away with changing the 4th value to, it just has a chance of affecting more things, but I doubt you'll end up affecting anything with values around 50 anyway. Like I said, experimenting never hurts, slow phones do... Just keep an eye on it ;-) good luck again.
To add a little correction.if you are running fly x then you are not running 2.3.15 you are running the earlier related release it Is based on. Even if you did have2.3.15 before installing it fly x over writes the system to the files it uses. All roms do. Do you actually have like 2.3.9 I think
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It does say 2.3.9. I inquired about this before because I used teamblackhat to get .15 and the system never seemed to change to .15 every time I tried to download it... I guess that's why, because of flyx...
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After reading Captian Taco's post I was eager to try it out, and its actually making a big difference =D thanks!
Yes it is... its been running much smoother and more responsive all day. Thanks again captaintaco... (boy thats kinda funny to type...)
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Thanks CaptainTaco! Installed MFM to clear up my "lag" issues that are usually experienced in the evenings after a reset first thing in the a.m. each day. Before MFM it wasn't a huge deal to do a reset to clear up the issue, but I much prefer it to just work right all the time.
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Thanks CaptainTaco! Installed MFM to clear up my "lag" issues that are usually experienced in the evenings after a reset first thing in the a.m. each day. Before MFM it wasn't a huge deal to do a reset to clear up the issue, but I much prefer it to just work right all the time.
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Hey don't thank me, thank the creator of MFM, I'm pretty sure he was one of the first to discover the power of Androids integrated minimum memory management, if not the first. Just glad to share my discovery of his discovery haha. But yea, to be honest I don't even use a custom Rom anymore, it runs so quick just having that (thought it works even better in conjunction with your standard simplistic task killer such as "advanced task killer" just to kill apps in the foreground after you are done with them, since many apps don't include a way of closing themselves out...
I still try the custom Roms out and play around with them for the hell of it, but as for right now, I rely heavily on corporate integration, and most of the good blurless Roms remove features required for true and proper corporate sync, such as calender sync and the like... and I just don't like touchdown pro... So this helps me out greatly... remove some bloat, throw launcher pro on there, and get this fix fired up, phone runs like a dream... now if only they could get exchange active sync running like it was on Sense... best implementation I have seen of Exchange active sync so far... I do miss that...
Well after all the advice I ended up installing the zapx rom last night. Wow! It is sooo fast... everything just responds and reacts so much faster than before. I suggest installing zapx to anyone. Best rom so far I think...
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Just decided to use my Nexus 10 after about a day or two of inactivity, and I noticed it was real sluggish. Went over to Running apps, everything shown there is Restarting, and there is only about 77MB of RAM free.
I've had this happen a few times I believe.
Is this scenario avoidable in any way?
espionage724 said:
Just decided to use my Nexus 10 after about a day or two of inactivity, and I noticed it was real sluggish. Went over to Running apps, everything shown there is Restarting, and there is only about 77MB of RAM free.
I've had this happen a few times I believe.
Is this scenario avoidable in any way?
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Free RAM isn't usually a problem: Android will cache things in memory to help them load faster, so normally seeing <100mb of free RAM isn't anything to be concerned about, and will not affect performance at all.
The sluggishness and "restarting" services sound like something bad, though.
First, make sure you aren't running any kind of automatic task manager/killer. Next, after restarting your device, keep an eye on that running services tab in Android settings: apps. See if any of them seem to be growing in RAM use disproportionately to the others. It may take a few hours to show up.
I suspect you have one bad app with a leak causing low memory to force the other services out of memory.
Even after caching and such this tablet should normally have 400-600MB of free RAM though. The low amounts definitely come from a memory leak. Right now the general consensus is that it cannot be avoided because it is a problem with the GPU driver. How much truth there is to this I dont know. I do know that I myself did not have performance issues or memory leaks when I was back on 4.2.1 running CM10.1, so I still feel like something in 4.2.2 introduced a memory leak.
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Even after caching and such this tablet should normally have 400-600MB of free RAM though. The low amounts definitely come from a memory leak.
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It is normal and expected for free memory to dip lower than that during normal operation. It is simply inaccurate to tell people otherwise.
I would caution against claiming something is "definitely" anything with so little solid information.
It might be that there is a memory leak, but it is much more likely to be a user app than a kernel memory leak until there is hard data saying otherwise. As of now there is only one highly subjective user report.
During operation yes, but when you pick it up after days of the tablet idling with nothing running?
There is plenty of solid information if you have looked around the development threads with all the activity trying to pin down the memory leaks everyone is having, to say one doesnt exist just shows how little you have been getting around the threads.
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Free RAM isn't usually a problem: Android will cache things in memory to help them load faster, so normally seeing <100mb of free RAM isn't anything to be concerned about, and will not affect performance at all.
The sluggishness and "restarting" services sound like something bad, though.
First, make sure you aren't running any kind of automatic task manager/killer. Next, after restarting your device, keep an eye on that running services tab in Android settings: apps. See if any of them seem to be growing in RAM use disproportionately to the others. It may take a few hours to show up.
I suspect you have one bad app with a leak causing low memory to force the other services out of memory.
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Nothing in Recent apps, I had all my usual apps installed. Most of the time when I'm doing nothing I have hundreds of MB of RAM available as free space.
No Task Killers either. Couldn't even open a game I had (would instantly go back to launcher, no FC message) or take a screenshot even.
Just my personal experience, but I have owned my N10 since December and frequently let mine idle for days and have never come across this issue yet. Memory on mine is usually above 600MB everytime I check it in the Apps setting, I don't think I've ever seen it go under 100 since I've owned it, and I do go in there a lot to force stop certain things that autostart. I am leaning more towards what ZanshinG1 said that its a rogue app installed thats eating it
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During operation yes, but when you pick it up after days of the tablet idling with nothing running?
There is plenty of solid information if you have looked around the development threads with all the activity trying to pin down the memory leaks everyone is having, to say one doesnt exist just shows how little you have been getting around the threads.
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I suspect we have different standards for what qualifies as useful information. Let's just leave it at that.
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Nothing in Recent apps, I had all my usual apps installed. Most of the time when I'm doing nothing I have hundreds of MB of RAM available as free space.
No Task Killers either. Couldn't even open a game I had (would instantly go back to launcher, no FC message) or take a screenshot even.
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Do you have any apps which use OpenGL ES running? Games and live wallpapers are the usual suspects.
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Do you have any apps which use OpenGL ES running? Games and live wallpapers are the usual suspects.
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Nope, nothing was open at the time, and had a normal wallpaper (non-Live).
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I suspect we have different standards for what qualifies as useful information. Let's just leave it at that.
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For the record surfaceflinger will eat about 100 megs per hour of video when you watch YouTube through chrome. I've duplicated this on stock, CM, mrrobinson AOKP, and raspbean. At about 600 megs the tablet will start misbehaving, closing apps, being sluggish, keyboard won't come up in chrome when you go to the address bar, etc. If you can stand to wait it will eventually reboot usually when idle in my case. Oddly enough the YouTube app doesn't produce the same results on the same video.
The usefulness is debatable. The facts are not.
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Hopefully ROM dev's will add some newer AOSP commits to their ROMs too, such as:
Fix a minor leak in dvmCreateInlineSubsTable (commit to aosp)
minor leaks caused by failed initialization in JNI_CreateJavaVM (commit to aosp)
Fix a minor bug in dvmCreateInterpThread (commit to aosp)
Fix some leaks in VfyBasicBlock & BitVector (commit to aosp)
But it is probably a rogue app.
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But it is probably a rogue app.
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Chrome?
So for s&gs I installed naked browser and I'm not seeing the climb like I did with chrome. After about 4 hours of YouTube it went up 4 megs instead of 400 megs. I just saw another user seem to confirm this too.
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rxnelson said:
Chrome?
So for s&gs I installed naked browser and I'm not seeing the climb like I did with chrome. After about 4 hours of YouTube it went up 4 megs instead of 400 megs. I just saw another user seem to confirm this too.
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I don't watch videos from Chrome, and it wasn't open at the time either (I may of opened it earlier before I noticed the memory leak, but I know I swiped it away from Recents when I was done with it). I didn't use the YouTube app either.
Had it occur again, although it wasn't "as" severe since I was able to load a game and take screenshots this time; performance was definitely slower though...
Running Apps:
Cached Apps:
Maybe run PS in terminal the next time and grab a screenshot. Then after reboot or return to normal do it again and compare usage?
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I have my tablet reboot every night at 4am with Tasker-Secure Settings plugin. Maybe not a fix for the issue at hand, but enough to make this problem go away permanently and reliably.
Easy fix: don't use trash roms like aokp or cm
I personally use team eos and ktmanta and the system runs super smooth with no memory leaks what so ever. After 32 hours if I clean all apps I got 600 or 700 mb free.
lvnatic said:
Easy fix: don't use trash roms like aokp or cm
I personally use team eos and ktmanta and the system runs super smooth with no memory leaks what so ever. After 32 hours if I clean all apps I got 600 or 700 mb free.
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Wow. Talk about trash talk.
I've never ahd this issue on AOKP or CM, have on PA... I did enjoy Eos when I used it but found RootBox had the features I needed. Then again... I reboot every few nights typically. My mom leaves her Nexus 7 on for weeks on end with no issue, but its not a 10.
lvnatic said:
Easy fix: don't use trash roms like aokp or cm
I personally use team eos and ktmanta and the system runs super smooth with no memory leaks what so ever. After 32 hours if I clean all apps I got 600 or 700 mb free.
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I don't consider rasbeanjelly trash...
I think I've run into this bug once, after a couple days of usage, likely mostly inactive without charging. I noticed that everything I tried to do was really sluggish and once I saw all the apps restarting in the built-in task manager, I figured something was seriously borked, so I rebooted the tablet and it was back to normal. Given all the other stability problems others have reported with this tablet, I'm glad just a very occasional reboot like this is the worst of my problems. :victory: I'm running stock Android 4.2.2, with only a handful of apps installed, probably more default apps uninstalled than apps added.
I'm just wondering what the general consensus was regarding the speed, the "snappiness" if you wil, of our rooted devices? I'm running the "unofficial" build of Carbon Rom on my HD+ and I think it runs pretty well. Def not as fast as a dedicated tablet but for a glorified e-reader, its not too shabby either.
I do need to be proactive with my usage of the unit of course, but I'm sure most of us here are. What I mean by that is that I do make sure I have as little as possible in terms of startup items (daemons) and run the occasional "fix permissions" or "clear cache"...
I've never tried a different rom besides Carbon, it was the first one I tried and I liked it enough that I kept it. For those that have tried others, do any run faster or smoother then Carbon rom? How is the state of the latest builds of Cyanogen 10.1?
Performance is sporadic. It is like something is in semi sleep mode at random points and the device has to wake up to get going again (this does not happen while using apps). Touch response is fine and the awful stutter (due in part to the constant library syncing) that the stock rom has is gone.
In spite of the lag, still works great. I am running into games that do not work that do on my other three Android devices, but again- we are probably using this device beyond the scope of its intent. The 4470 is a capable chipset, but something that goes beyond the 1080p display bottlenecks the device.
Perhaps the low ram (about 250 is allocated to the gpu) and the 1080p combine to be an issue that occasionally chokes the device- hence the lag. The T700 has a Tegra 3 that also has issues, but the increased the clock for both chipset and gpu to help offset the chipset limitations with 1080p.
Both the 4470 and Tegra 3 work fine with most 1080p video media, but pushing data to that many pixels is a much heavier resource issue.
Honestly I'm struggling with this quite a bit. I have an iPad 3 which is amazingly snappy on everything I throw at it, but I really prefer Android to iOS (I recently switched my handset from an iPhone 5 to a Galaxy S4 also) and the form factor of the HD+. However, I'm getting really frustrated with the intermittent lag on the HD+ with every ROM I've tried. It would almost be better if it lagged all the time because at least then I'd give up on it, but when it's not lagging, it's really an enjoyable device. But then it just starts lagging all of a sudden and I either reboot or go grab the iPad.
I understand that this device is resource constrained on both memory and GPU, but that still doesn't explain to me why it performs so smoothly sometimes and then lags other times until I restart it. I still think that there's some kind of resource leak or other type of bug that causes it to degrade into a bad state over time and that, once identified, will allow this device to be closer to what we're all wanting! Of course, that's also probably hopeful thinking...
My point exactly. The only common issue is the intermittent lag. I also have issues where it will freeze for over a minute and sometimes needs to have the power button held down to shut down and restart.
Becoming more a love hate relationship. Frankly were it not for the lovely display, I would have already returned it. I have the lag and occasional freeze is issues, regardless if a few apps or a lot of apps on the device. There is something apparently funky going on that causes the bottlenecks and occasional freezes.
Added: So far, more love than hate As far as the display, that is why I got the device in the first place, so would have not bought it without it.
I was having to many reboots and lag issues with CM10.1. then I flashed tweaked carbon rom and haven't had any issues at all. I have only had this tablet for about 4 days. This is day 2 with tweaked carbon rom. Love this tablet.
I had a Nook HD that was nearly flawless on CM 10.1. Two weeks ago, once the fire sale was on, I bought this HD+. I'm running CM 10.1 on emmc. I haven't tried Carbon yet! I haven't seen a lag issue but I do get the occasional soft reboot. I use my HD+ mainly for reading, and some light games. The HD is a little smoother, but I like the HD+'s size better. Besides, the display is great for reading. It is fast enough for what I use it for. The HD+ is an amazing deal for the price now. If speed was my ultimate concern, I'd be checking out that new Nexus 7.
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I don't have an issue with lag myself. An occasional stutter if I have been using a CPU and memory intensive game and then switch to something else but that is it. Try Carbon it is pretty smooth.
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Maybe android 4.3 will improve nook speeds with trim support. But I don't know if it just applies to nexus devices...
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/yet-another-reason-to-update-to-android-4-3-trim-support/
When I first started with my nook hd plus, the tablet was reasonably fast and had little lag. Now after 3-4 weeks it seems to be slowing down and lagging. I'm running the 7/19 cm 10.1 rom. Maybe a newer rom will help out. I haven't tried any other roms.
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You guys might want to try lagfix https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
I ran it and my nook seems to be a bit snappier.
When comparing benchmarks using Androbench https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromeda.androbench2 before and after it showed slightly better results too so it definitely does something.
This does the same thing as 4.3 when it comes to TRIM so its a good test to see what we can expect.
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You guys might want to try lagfix https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
I ran it and my nook seems to be a bit snappier.
When comparing benchmarks using Androbench https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromeda.androbench2 before and after it showed slightly better results too so it definitely does something.
This does the same thing as 4.3 when it comes to TRIM so its a good test to see what we can expect.
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I can attest that this makes a BIG difference! I'd actually stopped using some apps because they now lagged so badly, Flipboard being a key example, but also Chrome (I'd gone back to the original Browser app). Immediately after having this run an fstrim, both of those apps are smooth again! I went ahead and bought the full version for $0.99 so that I can schedule this to run at 3AM every morning. As snargledorf mentions, this will be part of 4.3 so, assuming we do end up with a 4.3 ROM for the HD+, I'll be able to uninstall this app, but in the interim it seems to make a fairly significant difference along with some of the other tweaks I've picked up from the forums (disable zRam completely being a key one, perhaps also limiting the number of running apps to three).
Thanks much for the tip!
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I can attest that this makes a BIG difference! I'd actually stopped using some apps because they now lagged so badly, Flipboard being a key example, but also Chrome (I'd gone back to the original Browser app). Immediately after having this run an fstrim, both of those apps are smooth again! I went ahead and bought the full version for $0.99 so that I can schedule this to run at 3AM every morning. As snargledorf mentions, this will be part of 4.3 so, assuming we do end up with a 4.3 ROM for the HD+, I'll be able to uninstall this app, but in the interim it seems to make a fairly significant difference along with some of the other tweaks I've picked up from the forums (disable zRam completely being a key one, perhaps also limiting the number of running apps to three).
Thanks much for the tip!
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I downloaded this zram settings. How are you configuring it? If it makes the Nook HD+ better, I am all for it. So trying to follow some of the things you are doing.
Also I noticed that when I change the background process limit to 3, it changes back to standard limit when I reboot the tablet. Can I select the dont keep activities so it kills the app every time I close out?
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I downloaded this zram settings. How are you configuring it? If it makes the Nook HD+ better, I am all for it. So trying to follow some of the things you are doing.
Also I noticed that when I change the background process limit to 3, it changes back to standard limit when I reboot the tablet. Can I select the dont keep activities so it kills the app every time I close out?
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I have zRam completely disabled. That definitely helped quite a bit. I haven't seen the background processes setting revert.
SCWells72 said:
I can attest that this makes a BIG difference! I'd actually stopped using some apps because they now lagged so badly, Flipboard being a key example, but also Chrome (I'd gone back to the original Browser app). Immediately after having this run an fstrim, both of those apps are smooth again! I went ahead and bought the full version for $0.99 so that I can schedule this to run at 3AM every morning. As snargledorf mentions, this will be part of 4.3 so, assuming we do end up with a 4.3 ROM for the HD+, I'll be able to uninstall this app, but in the interim it seems to make a fairly significant difference along with some of the other tweaks I've picked up from the forums (disable zRam completely being a key one, perhaps also limiting the number of running apps to three).
Thanks much for the tip!
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I have zRam completely disabled. That definitely helped quite a bit. I haven't seen the background processes setting revert.
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Ok, disabled the Zram. Do you need to do anything else with the program once you select that?
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Honestly I'm struggling with this quite a bit. I have an iPad 3 which is amazingly snappy on everything I throw at it, but I really prefer Android to iOS (I recently switched my handset from an iPhone 5 to a Galaxy S4 also) and the form factor of the HD+. However, I'm getting really frustrated with the intermittent lag on the HD+ with every ROM I've tried. It would almost be better if it lagged all the time because at least then I'd give up on it, but when it's not lagging, it's really an enjoyable device. But then it just starts lagging all of a sudden and I either reboot or go grab the iPad.
I understand that this device is resource constrained on both memory and GPU, but that still doesn't explain to me why it performs so smoothly sometimes and then lags other times until I restart it. I still think that there's some kind of resource leak or other type of bug that causes it to degrade into a bad state over time and that, once identified, will allow this device to be closer to what we're all wanting! Of course, that's also probably hopeful thinking...
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Funny, I just bought an iPad 3. With it jailbroken, it's pretty awesome and a lot of the tweaks feel native. I'm still holding onto my Nook HD+, though, for some kind of breakthrough that'll make it perform just as well as my Nexus 7.
Okay, here's how I have CM10.1 (8/1/13 build) on my HD+ configured now and I'm actually quite happy with the resulting experience:
LagFix – I set this to run automatically at 3AM every morning, and it has made the single biggest difference so far IMO.
Settings>Developer Options>Window Animation Scale/Transition Animation Scale/Animator Duration Scale – Either Off or .5x; I use .5x.
Settings>Performance>Processor>CPU Governor – Hotplug or interactive; I use hotplug. Make sure you check Set on boot.
Settings>Performance>I/O Scheduler>I/O Scheduler – Deadline or cfq; I use deadline. Again, make sure you check Set on boot.
Settings>Performance>Memory Management>zRam – Disabled.
Settings>Performance>16bit Transparency – Checked.
Settings>Performance>Surface Improvement – Fix color banding and blur effect.
I also set the LCD Density to 260 DPI since the screen’s physical density is 256 DPI. I use Build Prop Editor to change that setting and therefore have to change it every time I flash a new ROM. I've tried to put it into /data/local.prop and have it survive across flashes, but I haven’t yet had success doing so. Anyone have tips on how to do that successfully?
I'm curious to know if others are doing anything else to get an even better experience, and I'm also curious to know if these settings work well for others who are struggling with the lag issue.
SCWells72 said:
I also set the LCD Density to 260 DPI since the screen’s physical density is 256 DPI. I use Build Prop Editor to change that setting and therefore have to change it every time I flash a new ROM. I've tried to put it into /data/local.prop and have it survive across flashes, but I haven’t yet had success doing so. Anyone have tips on how to do that successfully?
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To make the density in /data work, you need to use this command in local.prop:
qemu.sf.lcd_density=260
And the permissions on the local.prop file need to be set right. Make them the same as the build.prop file.
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SCWells72 said:
Okay, here's how I have CM10.1 (8/1/13 build) on my HD+ configured now and I'm actually quite happy with the resulting experience:
LagFix – I set this to run automatically at 3AM every morning, and it has made the single biggest difference so far IMO.
Settings>Developer Options>Window Animation Scale/Transition Animation Scale/Animator Duration Scale – Either Off or .5x; I use .5x.
Settings>Performance>Processor>CPU Governor – Hotplug or interactive; I use hotplug. Make sure you check Set on boot.
Settings>Performance>I/O Scheduler>I/O Scheduler – Deadline or cfq; I use deadline. Again, make sure you check Set on boot.
Settings>Performance>Memory Management>zRam – Disabled.
Settings>Performance>16bit Transparency – Checked.
Settings>Performance>Surface Improvement – Fix color banding and blur effect.
I also set the LCD Density to 260 DPI since the screen’s physical density is 256 DPI. I use Build Prop Editor to change that setting and therefore have to change it every time I flash a new ROM. I've tried to put it into /data/local.prop and have it survive across flashes, but I haven’t yet had success doing so. Anyone have tips on how to do that successfully?
I'm curious to know if others are doing anything else to get an even better experience, and I'm also curious to know if these settings work well for others who are struggling with the lag issue.
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I have the same settings.
The one that made the major change is the Lagfix which transformed the general snappiness.
Though now i am worried by the warnings about potential bricking so am not doing it daily.
perhaps once a week.
Not at all sure if the other changes did anything.
Also what would be the advantage of changing lcd density (which I havent done)?
thank you for the suggestions in this thread. my Nook had become so slow as to be barely usable. I'll give these ideas a shot.
Tried Lagfix. Got my 1stCM stuck at bootanim. Scary. Luckily a 2nd boot worked...
ive been using the apps from this guy
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...terprise&hl=en
ram booster and cache apps to sd booster
significant performance increase. im talking about no slowdowns and easy multitasking
after unlocking, installing lollipop and rooting
pretty significant increases. cannot complain at all.
dont have any slowdowns on my other 2 devices (n7 2013 and n6 on vzw) so cant compare to those but this fixed my shield lollipop issues
he has a lot of other products as well but i havent used them.
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myrcgarage said:
Link is broken. Please re-post. Thanks
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Woops Sorry. Here's a link to the ram Booster app then just click more apps by gejos
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gejos.android.rambooster
I remember the good old days of Eclair when these things used to be commonplace.
tl;dr if you're actually running one of these things and you're seeing a large and measurable change... something's not quite right.
Yes. Lollipop update. Tried factory reset, deleting certain apps. Nothing seems to help until I tried the ram Booster.
Ermm. Sounds like placebo. This isn't android gingerbread anymore and these types of tweaks are largely useless... On our high end device anyways.
If you do a search on xda, I am not the first person to mention these apps specifically. I agree that these things are mostly garbage but this one is different. I urge whoever is having performance issues with lollipop to try this.
Are you using the donate version with more options? I think I tried this app before and it didn't fix my slowdowns, but I will try again. I don't have SD card so I can't try the other cache to SD-app.
The slow downs and memory leak are so frustrating, I have to restart a couple of times every day to be able to play for an example Simpsons Tapped out. I use the same apps on my ASUS Tegra 4 tablet with 4.4.2 and it feels so much faster and there is no need to restart it every day.
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Are you using the donate version with more options? I think I tried this app before and it didn't fix my slowdowns, but I will try again. I don't have SD card so I can't try the other cache to SD-app.
The slow downs and memory leak are so frustrating, I have to restart a couple of times every day to be able to play for an example Simpsons Tapped out. I use the same apps on my ASUS Tegra 4 tablet with 4.4.2 and it feels so much faster and there is no need to restart it every day.
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nope, regular free version. i didnt even know the donate one had more options
Neither the donate or free version should provide any noticeable difference besides maybe more battery drain.
Thanks for the helpful feedback. Please try the app first and then you can comment.
I have been running the app for 5 days now, can't say I see any difference, I still have the memory leak (or what it is that causes the need to restart once or twice a day). Still have the UI slowdowns too.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
I'm just going to venture a guess that any task killer that is significantly improving your battery life is probably rooting out apps that are falling into Lollipops memory holes. So the battery savings are accidental...
This is not how Android is supposed to run. This hasn't been the way Android has run since 2.2 or before, the last time task killers were all the rage.
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Anybody know of a fix for the ridiculous amount of lag on Pie? Between that and the sad excuse of video recording, I'm really debating on going back to my buttery smooth Z2force. The only problem is this phone is pure eye candy, comfortable to hold, and my hands have betrayed my eyes recognition of the lag and fell in love this phone. . The performance is more like snapdragon 620 than 835. Any help regarding this situation would be highly appreciated
I have no lag on Pie, beta 3 or official. Sounds like your due for a full wipe
Well now that sucks considering I just moved about 90gigs to the device and thought I did a full wipe but just notice Alexa still installed. The funny thing is I had very little late lag on Beta 3.
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Well now that sucks considering I just moved about 90gigs to the device and thought I did a full wipe but just notice Alexa still installed. The funny thing is I had very little late lag on Beta 3.
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I discovered this a month ago and it helps.just go to root/system/buildprop. Add the following to right under additional build settings.then reboot. That's the default setting, but u can mess with the value to get it to your liking
You're only saying there is lag, you're not describing where you are seeing this lag?
The only thing I can say is I thought apps would open faster on this, I have a phone with a SD625, and between this and the Essential, opening and closing apps seems like the same speed. But the startup on the Essential is faster...
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You're only saying there is lag, you're not describing where you are seeing this lag?
The only thing I can say is I thought apps would open faster on this, I have a phone with an SD625, and between this and the Essential, opening and closing apps seems like the same speed. But the startup on the Essential is faster...
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Scrolling in-app, swiping in-app and launcher, and also scrolling cards in recents. I have a z2force with SD835 and comparing this phone to the z2 this phone feels like an SD626
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Scrolling in-app, swiping in-app and launcher, and also scrolling cards in recents. I have a z2force with SD835 and comparing this phone to the z2 this phone feels like an SD626
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If I were you, I'd wipe everything, and then fastboot the full official pie update. Just to fully eliminate software.
Hi there I am the same boat like you . I got lag typing on keyboard scroll is not smooth at all .I tried reinstalling the latest build and factory full reset pus wipe all data .I can't resolve the lag I think they rush to get it in the same date like the pixel but is not optimised for this device for example get an icon and hold it and get it to place it in another location you will find out that the icon is behind when you move it
The only and I think temporary fix is by doing this
Go and click 5 times on build number and go in developer settings you will find there touch sensitivity set it to 10 let say default is 4 I think . You will improve touch latency a bit .
I just bought the device I don't know how it was on Oreo but I can say on this pie build official is not smooth
@mookiexl got to the Developer Options;
Windows animation scale - off
Transition animation scale - off or .5x
Animator duration scale - off or .5x
Also increasing the 'Touch Sensitivity' increases the scrolling speed.
Play with these and watch it fly! LOL
It would be great if someone can take a video so we can actually see this lag with our own eyes.
I just got my phone and it turned out bad, sending it back, new one on the way. It makes me wonder now if all the stories about bad hardware is true on these phones, since I've never had a bad phone ever in my life, then my first Essential turns out bad.
Wifi problems connecting
Statusbar icons appearing in white, turn all black
Phone speaker, bad quality, can't even turn it up, or it gets distorted
Head speaker, is low, volume isn't loud enough
Adaptive brightness doesn't work
Volume got stuck at one point when it was set as all the way down, no sound, then I wasn't able turn the sound back on, nothing would happen on either buttons...
So hopefully new phone arriving will be better, and from this experience, I think I'll keep it on Oreo for a long time, until people start raving over Pie.
And between a SD625 and this SD835, can't say I saw a big speed difference too... hmm
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@mookiexl got to the Developer Options;
Windows animation scale - off
Transition animation scale - off or .5x
Animator duration scale - off or .5x
Also increasing the 'Touch Sensitivity' increases the scrolling speed.
Play with these and watch it fly! LOL
It would be great if someone can take a video so we can actually see this lag with our own eyes.
I just got my phone and it turned out bad, sending it back, new one on the way. It makes me wonder now if all the stories about bad hardware is true on these phones, since I've never had a bad phone ever in my life, then my first Essential turns out bad.
Wifi problems connecting
Statusbar icons appearing in white, turn all black
Phone speaker, bad quality, can't even turn it up, or it gets distorted
Head speaker, is low, volume isn't loud enough
Adaptive brightness doesn't work
Volume got stuck at one point when it was set as all the way down, no sound, then I wasn't able turn the sound back on, nothing would happen on either buttons...
So hopefully new phone arriving will be better, and from this experience, I think I'll keep it on Oreo for a long time, until people start raving over Pie.
And between a SD625 and this SD835, can't say I saw a big speed difference too... hmm
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I hear ya brother. To be fair I haven't had any of those other problems I heard about before buying the phone besides what's mentioned in this thread. 3rd party camera apps with full manual control drastically improved camera quality for my device. If you want to see the lag I'm taking about just YouTube it.
As far as SD625 and Sd835, there's a huge difference for me being a power user. Lots of gaming, editing videos, download big files, or even just transferring data from internal to external sd you will definitely see a big difference in performance during any memory extensive task.
@mookiexl
Do you know any YouTube videos with the same issues you're having, you can show us?
I only found one for Camera Portrait Lag.
Fastboot install of 9.0 over the official July 8.1. Magisk root.
No device lag or issues with WiFi, volume or any of the things above. The only lag I see is my own getting to grips with the UI changes.
USOpen device used in the UK.
It sounds like you're both having some kind of install/integrity issue. Did you test the checksum?
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@mookiexl
Do you know any YouTube videos with the same issues you're having, you can show us?
I only found one for Camera Portrait Lag.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbw_TUnfXuU
kboya said:
Fastboot install of 9.0 over the official July 8.1. Magisk root.
No device lag or issues with WiFi, volume or any of the things above. The only lag I see is my own getting to grips with the UI changes.
USOpen device used in the UK.
It sounds like you're both having some kind of install/integrity issue. Did you test the checksum?
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All I've done since receiving the device is take all system updates and then unlocked bootloader which in turn wipe data. See the video I posted for details. If you have another SD835 device to compare it too try tha,t or better yet don't because it will make the lag very bothersome once you know its there.
That video is a year old. I have no discernible lag even with upward of 20 apps in the background, but I'm not saying that you don't.
Also, I had this and a Google PXL at the same time up until a few weeks ago. If anything, the PH1 was better, smoother and faster.
I've got serious lag... Keyoress lag, stuttering during scrolling. Could it be because of RAM usage? The stats in developer options say that I using 3.4 out of 3.9 gb on average....
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I have no lag on Pie, beta 3 or official. Sounds like your due for a full wipe
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Can you explain how I dod a full wipe?
Since the Dec update much less ram.locked up
autosurgeon said:
Since the Dec update much less ram.locked up
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I'm on November and ram management Is fine for me.
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