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Town Hall Meeting: Finished. See last post for Summary

Date: Monday May 24th, 2010
Time: From 9:00 am to 4:00 pm (EST)
Questions? pm me.
Thanks and hope to see you then.
This thread will remain closed until the specified time.

First of all, I wanted to welcome all of you and thank you for taking the time to put all the remaining issues to rest. As with anything on this site, please be courteous to others, don't flame, don't curse, and try to make your comments as meaningful as possible (in other words, don't troll )
This is a floor for discussion and debate, so whoever feels like speaking up, please do so. I believe that the first order of business is the fixxxer issue. Cbarlan (aka Papa_Smurf) already put me up to speed on that issue but I would like to have some more input from you all.

The only thing i will add to this is im tired of being accused and followed around here because im new, same goes for other newbies as well. This smixxxer guy is obviously a banned member and keeps signing up to stir up trouble. I know i accused neb of being him and i talked to a few members who told me it was not, so for that i humbly apologize. I firmly believe once someone is banned from here, they should stay banned. Id just like to see people start getting along more. In my mind fixxxer is talked about than the hero itself, he's not here anymore and the subject needs to end already.
Thats all id like to add to this as i have to go.

For me, personally, most of what I had issue with has been resolved, both through a bit more leniency from the mods (thanks you guys!), and the creation of the off-topic thread for us to blow off steam in.
Re: fixxer/nebs situation, I am prolly too biased on this to give much of an objective opinion. That being said, if nebs and fixxer are both willing to cool the vitriol a bit, I see no reason to keep the bans up. Others may feel differently, but that is where I stand.

Ban his IP. /End Game
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I'll edit this by saying I know the IP thing is useless. Not much you can do other than watch out for the trolls.

Kcarpenter said:
Ban his IP. /End Game
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which his? smixxer?

I think it's just unfortunate there are such easy ways to get around a ban.
FYI and FWIW- I have not created any identities on this site other than this one and phenicks.
I am done with fixxxer even though he is obviously still here. I hope he can begin to grow up a little and stop fueling "the fire".
Without the ability to reliably ban someone from simply making a new login ID I would like to suggest the following as food for thought:
To help cut down on banned members coming right back to start more crap:
-2 to 4 week period before new members can post AND/OR
-2 to 4 week post (not read) restriction to general/q&a sections for new members
To help cut down on redundant and misplaced threads by noobs:
-20/30 post minimum before new members can make a new thread
To help clarify who is actually a senior member:
-500 posts to earn senior member status
(It can be confusing for a noob who to direct questions to, also I have seen as high as 32 posts/day counts.. senior member in 3-4 days?)
-neb

PS.
Thank you for the off topic lounge, that one is a home-run
And thank you to Egz and Ryan and other mods for your involvement lately. I for one am delighted to see the member side of you guys rather than just the moderator side.

nebenezer said:
I think it's just unfortunate there are such easy ways to get around a ban.
FYI and FWIW- I have not created any identities on this site other than this one and phenicks.
I am done with fixxxer even though he is obviously still here. I hope he can begin to grow up a little and stop fueling "the fire".
Without the ability to reliably ban someone from simply making a new login ID I would like to suggest the following as food for thought:
To help cut down on banned members coming right back to start more crap:
-2 to 4 week period before new members can post AND/OR
-2 to 4 week post (not read) restriction to general/q&a sections for new members
To help cut down on redundant and misplaced threads by noobs:
-20/30 post minimum before new members can make a new thread
To help clarify who is actually a senior member:
-500 posts to earn senior member status
(It can be confusing for a noob who to direct questions to, also I have seen as high as 32 posts/day counts.. senior member in 3-4 days?)
-neb
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Neb buddy, are you refering to me?
I agree completely here. On several forums I have been on in the past there is a minimum reply number to current posts before you can start a new thread. This would stop the "Im new and don't wanna read" and also would prevent people from being banned and being able to go start a new account and have just as much going as they did before.

Kcarpenter said:
Neb buddy, are you refering to me?
I agree completely here. On several forums I have been on in the past there is a minimum reply number to current posts before you can start a new thread. This would stop the "Im new and don't wanna read" and also would prevent people from being banned and being able to go start a new account and have just as much going as they did before.
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^WORST-OFFENDER-EVER
Hahaha, J/K of course
Also, I think its great that this place is such a fantastic resource and I think it's great that many of the senior members have the patience to answer questions that come in the form of brand new threads in the wrong sections.
I'd like to see people (senior members) get more comfortable with prefacing their responses to these threads with "This should have gone <here>". I am not suggesting we don't answer these questions, I would just like to see some diligence guiding new people to post in the appropriate section. Lots of these kinds of threads get answered and it's not until half way down the page until someone acknowledges the thread was posted is in the wrong section. Not that its a heinous offense or anything but I think most would agree new threads in the wrong sections are inconvenient and happen A LOT.

tejasrichard said:
For me, personally, most of what I had issue with has been resolved, both through a bit more leniency from the mods (thanks you guys!), and the creation of the off-topic thread for us to blow off steam in.
Re: fixxer/nebs situation, I am prolly too biased on this to give much of an objective opinion. That being said, if nebs and fixxer are both willing to cool the vitriol a bit, I see no reason to keep the bans up. Others may feel differently, but that is where I stand.
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I believe the creation of the off subject lounge and leniency of the mods have made a huge difference. With that being said I believe that being respectful by both mods and users will greatly help. Yeah I know things get out of hand at times and that the mods get tired of hearing a million reports on this section. But commingle in here with an iron fist and then trying to sweep it under the rug hoping it will go away will never work. Getting to the root of the issue is a lot more effective and trying to resolve the problem out weighs bannings. I've said this in the past banning is almost a joke. Anyone can make a sock puppet account and keep causing problems. So what doea is solve.
To the users who r act like natzis...the mods will decide if a subject goes into a different section. Either contribute to the thread or shut up. I'm so tired of someone ask a question or post a thread and watch the wave of senior members (a select few all the time) say this should go to this section. Is it that hard to answer the question or post a link to the answer (this goes for the whole use the search button also). Sometimes when u search for an answer there r so many results and it shows all result including from first day forum started and some of those are way out of date and a noob isn't as experienced enough to sort through what newer and what's older.

nebenezer said:
I think it's just unfortunate there are such easy ways to get around a ban.
FYI and FWIW- I have not created any identities on this site other than this one and phenicks.
I am done with fixxxer even though he is obviously still here. I hope he can begin to grow up a little and stop fueling "the fire".
Without the ability to reliably ban someone from simply making a new login ID I would like to suggest the following as food for thought:
To help cut down on banned members coming right back to start more crap:
-2 to 4 week period before new members can post AND/OR
-2 to 4 week post (not read) restriction to general/q&a sections for new members
To help cut down on redundant and misplaced threads by noobs:
-20/30 post minimum before new members can make a new thread
To help clarify who is actually a senior member:
-500 posts to earn senior member status
(It can be confusing for a noob who to direct questions to, also I have seen as high as 32 posts/day counts.. senior member in 3-4 days?)
-neb
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Hey neb,
For once, welcome back! I am glad that you guys are putting this whole thing behind. For the last few days, I have felt that things have really began to calm down in here (particularly because we don't see that many reported posts/threads from here anymore). I will take your suggestions to the site admin and the other mods and see what they think. Some of them can be a bit hard to implement (particularly the first two), but the other ones, I couldn't agree more (especially on the Senior Member threshold, I agree that 100 posts is just way too little). In fact, I invited the other mods and admin over here as well, so they might up in during the day as well. This thread is guaranteed to have exposure to everyone that needs to see it

Papa Smurf151 said:
To the users who r act like natzis...the mods will decide if a subject goes into a different section. Either contribute to the thread or shut up. I'm so tired of someone ask a question or post a thread and watch the wave of senior members (a select few all the time) say this should go to this section. Is it that hard to answer the question or post a link to the answer (this goes for the whole use the search button also). Sometimes when u search for an answer there r so many results and it shows all result including from first day forum started and some of those are way out of date and a noob isn't as experienced enough to sort through what newer and what's older.
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Agreed that searching can easily and often be a fruitless PITA.
As far as the response.. "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" (right?, lol)
I am not one to bust someones head for posting in the wrong section. I will sooner ignore the question.
I don't see any harm in telling someone they have posted in the wrong section but I think it would be great to see those types of comments accompanied by some sort of helpful reply.
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Hey neb,
For once, welcome back!
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Thanks Egz, Nice to meet ya!

egzthunder1 said:
Hey neb,
For once, welcome back! I am glad that you guys are putting this whole thing behind. For the last few days, I have felt that things have really began to calm down in here (particularly because we don't see that many reported posts/threads from here anymore). I will take your suggestions to the site admin and the other mods and see what they think. Some of them can be a bit hard to implement (particularly the first two), but the other ones, I couldn't agree more (especially on the Senior Member threshold, I agree that 100 posts is just way too little). In fact, I invited the other mods and admin over here as well, so they might up in during the day as well. This thread is guaranteed to have exposure to everyone that needs to see it
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Ya know, I woud like to see guys from other devices in here as well. These changes being propsed aren't just relevant to CDMA Hero's. Post Count and status should effect the whole site.
To make XDA better as a whole and to maintain it's "Developers" status so to speak, you have to quiet the people asking basic questions some times.
Personally I am not good at training, I don't want to have to teach someone how to dial there phone

egzthunder1 said:
Hey neb,
For once, welcome back! I am glad that you guys are putting this whole thing behind. For the last few days, I have felt that things have really began to calm down in here (particularly because we don't see that many reported posts/threads from here anymore). I will take your suggestions to the site admin and the other mods and see what they think. Some of them can be a bit hard to implement (particularly the first two), but the other ones, I couldn't agree more (especially on the Senior Member threshold, I agree that 100 posts is just way too little). In fact, I invited the other mods and admin over here as well, so they might up in during the day as well. This thread is guaranteed to have exposure to everyone that needs to see it
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yeah, it took me no time at all to hit senior member status, and I don't post nearly as often as some (some of you may have a hard time believing this, but i'm still averaging less than a post a day. I like to think mine are just....memorable ). Though it might add more work, it might be useful to have 3 membership types instead of 2. I mean, I can TOTALLY see needing to be around for a while before you get your senior badge, I don't think it is necessary to make a dude wait till he has 500 posts to put up a link, you know what I mean?
EDIT: w00t! I lied! I just hit avg 1.05 posts per day!

Papa Smurf151 said:
To the users who r act like natzis...the mods will decide if a subject goes into a different section. Either contribute to the thread or shut up. I'm so tired of someone ask a question or post a thread and watch the wave of senior members (a select few all the time) say this should go to this section. Is it that hard to answer the question or post a link to the answer (this goes for the whole use the search button also). Sometimes when u search for an answer there r so many results and it shows all result including from first day forum started and some of those are way out of date and a noob isn't as experienced enough to sort through what newer and what's older.
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Hey cb, I mean Papa
Love the new avatar... I guess now I understand why you wanted your name changed . Moving threads for us is a bit of a nuisance, but it has to be done so that important sub forums don't get flooded by a bunch of "asking for help" or "what do you guys think its better x or y" threads, none of which are exclusive to noobs, but some seniors as well.
The way I usually handle (or at least I used to handle when I was a regular member) the out of place threads, was normally to direct towards a solution and used the "Report" icon on the thread/post to get a mod to either move it or delete it, if needed be. People who just flat out burst into flaming or insulting the member asking the question are simply out of place and should not do that. However, I have learned over the years that many people on the internet (not only here) would much rather write a long rant on how someone should google before asking questions, than to simply say "here is the link" and pressing the report button saying "please move to x y z section"... I guess it is a culture thing...

nebenezer said:
Agreed that searching can easily and often be a fruitless PITA.
As far as the response.. "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" (right?, lol)
I am not one to bust someones head for posting in the wrong section. I will sooner ignore the question.
I don't see any harm in telling someone they have posted in the wrong section but I think it would be great to see those types of comments accompanied by some sort of helpful reply.
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I can agree with that but there are a select few that r like section police. Every thread that's in the wrong section they r there to let them know and that's all they contribute. I find myself reading them say that going douche just answer the question or ignore it. That's just ne though

I like LMGTFY, it gets the point across, but is helpful at the same time. Some folks get offended, but most get the point and say thanks.
edit: not to derail the thread, but a lot of people don't know HOW to search properly. It ain't enough to just plug a bunch of words in the text box and hit the button. A lot of us grew up in the pregooglenet dark ages, when searching wasn't nearly as easy, and have skills that these young whippersnappers do not posess.

tejasrichard said:
yeah, it took me no time at all to hit senior member status, and I don't post nearly as often as some (some of you may have a hard time believing this, but i'm still averaging less than a post a day. I like to think mine are just....memorable ). Though it might add more work, it might be useful to have 3 membership types instead of 2. I mean, I can TOTALLY see needing to be around for a while before you get your senior badge, I don't think it is necessary to make a dude wait till he has 500 posts to put up a link, you know what I mean?
EDIT: w00t! I lied! I just hit avg 1.05 posts per day!
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The fact that your post are memorable rather than "fillers" is a good thing (I wish more people would do that)
We have 3 levels of membership:
Junior member (up to 10 or 30 posts, I cannot remember this one)
Member (up to 100 posts)
Senior member (anything over 100 posts)
I will ask the admin about moving senior and junior levels up, because I honestly think that those are the important ones.

egzthunder1 said:
The fact that your post are memorable rather than "fillers" is a good thing (I wish more people would do that)
We have 3 levels of membership:
Junior member (up to 10 or 30 posts, I cannot remember this one)
Member (up to 100 posts)
Senior member (anything over 100 posts)
I will ask the admin about moving senior and junior levels up, because I honestly think that those are the important ones.
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Well slap me silly! I never noticed the middle designation at all.

thats enough for me PiLOT

After i see a couple of threats closed and after this words i must say somethig, and if you want you may delete or do whatever yoy want!
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I must said That I'm tyred of you position and presumption over people.
If this is supously a forum for discuss ideas and point of views than i think You're not beave as you should.
If This isnt a forum to discuss ideas and pointsman of viewdata, than, congratulations for your beavement.
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With this behavior you remind me a presitent of my country since 30's to 75. Salasar. If you don't know who he was search Wikipedia. National fascism. Who try to silence others.
That's what you are doing here with You're commentary and behaviors.
finaly.
Since and unfortunately anybody until now can crack the bootloader we must discuss something EVEN ANGEL's SEX. but i think you won't admirer. RIGHT?!
Sorry for my enghish. If it wasn't good enough for you to read you can delete this.
i think this is the thing you like best. Being superior.
Thks. And until someday.
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Very trigger happy mods here. I mod on various forums too and you need to let people talk. Like someone else said, it's not a news group and we're not communicating through carrier pigeons or anything.

Well I pm'd PiLoT and he says he will open up the 2.1 thread once it has been released so that we can discuss it. So just wait a bit guys...

I was not refering ONLY to 2.1 threat.
Just check how many threats he had closed.
Long live censured sociaties and threats.
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rendeiro2005 said:
I was not refering ONLY to 2.1 threat.
Just check how many threats he had closed.
Long live censured sociaties and threats.
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Yup I pm'd him with exactly the same stuff that you were talking about, and his reply seems reasonable (to an extent)

I've had posts deleted too. When things go pear shaped I jump in with something light hearted. I admin'd my own forum a few years a go and only deleted slanderous posts which could get you or the forum in trouble. Food for thought when there's mass SE slandering going on but a 2.1 gets removed instead..... hmmmmm....
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There should be a bit more organising of threads imo. I'd create a few new threads of some of the more common problems we are having so when a thread is closed you can be referred to the thread created by the mods.
But I do understand why some of the threads have been closed. If I'm having Market issues, I wouldn't dream of starting a new thread because there is just so many already, and that goes for most of the topics/questions that keep geting asked over and over.

Everyone needs to have thick skin on the internet. I am a genuine, caring person in real life but I'm not afraid to be a bit of a **** from time to time. I don't troll people and I'll drop it after a post or two. Most people are like that too.
The big problem makers just need to be banned. We don't need to nanny everyone and close all the threads.

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I've had posts deleted too. When things go pear shaped I jump in with something light hearted. I admin'd my own forum a few years a go and only deleted slanderous posts which could get you or the forum in trouble. Food for thought when there's mass SE slandering going on but a 2.1 gets removed instead..... hmmmmm....
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I personaly dont bother if we had or not 2.1
What bothets to me is JUST because someone gtes a "little"
pissoff dicided to close something
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Personally I agree with him with most - not all - the threads he closed, all of them would end in trash talk and trolling, look at this forum and other phone forums, the xda forum should be full of guides and index threads, FAQ, etc..
Instead here we have.. well, you can see yourself, if someone said he killed a mosquito with number 2.1 printed on its back we will a make 10 page thread for it,
Another thing, mods use their free time to clean our trash instead of having sex with their gfs so you should be thankful about it,
One more thing, I live in Egypt, Google "president of Egypt" and you will see what it is that you are talking about.
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You are all lucky you do not post on the wind forums ( Orascoms carrier in canada ) Say just 1 thing thats not pro wind and you are deleted.. Not just that but dare to complain about the handset choices or coverage and you are attacked by the pro right wing wind lackies. I think ladies and gentlemen we have it good here.

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One more thing, I live in Egypt, Google "president of Egypt" and you will see what it is that you are talking about.
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On that note google Orascom ! i hear what you are saying my friend loud and clear!

ok
firstly i want to point out the reasons behind deleting posts
A. If someone want to voice an opinion over a matter, then they need to do so in a thread that already exists for that purpose otherwise we have, for instance, multi touch debates on the first page, if someone opens a new thread to discuss a topic thats already being discussed then its called post redundancy, and im entitled to close it.
B."Ive had it with SE, X10" or "I've Sold me X10 for whatever reason"
I Close these thread as they contribute nothing to the forum in anyway shape or form
C, 2.1 Release updates
I admit im being overbearing as far as deleting these threads go, but the reason is simple. People broke the rules. there were two threads previous to the current one that got filled with hate and arguing so the current one was opened with rules stating post only news in here, no discussion or opinions, and i got 5 pages of posts to delete, therefore i locked it as we still need to news but i want PMs
then i get 4 or more of the same thread with info we all already know and will go into the news thread as soon as i get my pms, also bear in mind because of the monumental time that the updates has taken this is by far one of the most hostile sub-forums on xda and it cant continue. therefore ive had to take a necessary measure in order to keep the piece including banning three members as they couldn't stop arguing
D, Threads posted by iHIM or his sock-puppets
This one should be self explanatory
as for the comparison to António de Oliveira Salazar well im offended ive never visited Portugal nor do i intend taking over parts of Africa
also i don't believe in deleting thread if they threaten my beliefs on behaviour and moderation there fore this is being left undeleted so you can see my point of view
also youll see from some of my deleted threads im less dictator like as i let them know they can reach me via pm for discussion if they disagree with my decision
I hope you can see my points of view and come around to agreeing with my opinion XDA shouldn't ever have a forum full of nasty comments

XperiaX10iUser said:
There should be a bit more organising of threads imo. I'd create a few new threads of some of the more common problems we are having so when a thread is closed you can be referred to the thread created by the mods.
But I do understand why some of the threads have been closed. If I'm having Market issues, I wouldn't dream of starting a new thread because there is just so many already, and that goes for most of the topics/questions that keep geting asked over and over.
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your refering to this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=678156
no illadmit the mod who made that is never seen here so if you want to make a replacement and want it stickied and you believe it will be read then creat it post it then pm me and i will delete the moderators one
there fore u can be responsible for updating

This is the first time I've ever entered the X10 forums, at -PiLoT-'s request, and I have reviewed the deletions and thread closures, and all are in line with the way other forums and mods work on other sections of XDA.
Threads are constantly going off-topic, there is flaming in about every thread I have opened, and threads supposed to be used for news and announcements are being filled with off-topic flaming, abuse and attacks against other members.
There is more trolling in this forum than in any of the others combined, and the number of duplicate threads is significant. There is only a need for one thread on something. If it's the 2.1 update, then there is an existing thread for it. If all you've come to do is flame or attack someone else on this matter, then don't.
If you are in any doubt as to the purposes of this site, please take a read of both the forum rules and the XDA mantra (in my signature). XDA was set up as a community of developers to improve their devices as much as they could. Over time it has expanded to cover more devices, but the aim remains the same.
Multiple threads on the same matter are counter-productive, and make it harder for new users to find information, so those threads may be closed for that reason. Additionally, if a new thread is made to announce "old news", it is right that it be deleted.
As I said, I have reviewed deletions, and all I have found deleted are flames, personal attacks, rude posts, off-topic nonsense or a combination of the above. The forum rules are located at http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=615 and I would encourage anyone who feels this kind of behaviour to be acceptable on XDA to read them carefully, particularly rule 2.
With regard to closing threads, this is a step taken when a thread has derailed sufficiently (and been cleaned) that allowing posting to continue would result in more flaming/off topic/abuse/junk. Closing a thread permits everyone to see the information discussed previously, and is preferable to deletion in cases such as this. Deletion is used where the contents of a thread or post are duplicates of existing material, and discussion has not developed, or containing abusive content.
As such, I can see no complaint here, as everything done is in the interests of XDA users. Nothing has been removed which is of any value (which was not duplicated in more detail elsewhere), and closed threads had either become permanent flame-wars, or were duplicates of questions or information that has been posted numerous times (thus needing closed to allow people to find the answers via search without coming across pages of flame wars over asking a question).
Again, take a read of the forum rules if you can't see anything wrong with the threads/posts that got deleted, and take a read of the XDA mantra ("What is XDA about?" in my signature)...

Honestly I don't know why you guys are complaining, if you've been following the X10 thread since the device's release back at the end of March you'll know that the problems described above by the mods were getting WAY out of hand without a proper moderator here and we all complained we needed one. Now finally we have that and people are complaining about that! I don't get it
Use the search button, then use it again...then again....then one more time. Then decide if you really need to start a new thread, more than likely you don't.
If you read any other threads on XDA they're absolutely right about this one being the worst for hostility and trolling, it was horrible for a while and I for one and very happy to see someone finally cleaning up all the **** on here and enforcing proper etiquette. Think about how much time you waste sifting through crap and ignorant opinions on here while you're looking for some legit information. The best thread here is the "Custom rom development : Devs only" and why do you think that is?

I totally agree with the MODS. Its bad enough trying to find anything in this forum without having to troll through hundreds of useless and pointless posts.
Keep up the good work Mods........

come on now, i own many previous phones before! i never seen so many threads closed, it' getting ridiculous! i used to own HTC Tytn, then HTC HD2, and now Samsung Captivate, and my gf has X10. go check out Tytn, HD2, or Captivate forums, closed thread rarely happens. isnt forum is for discussion?
update: oh, i forgot, i also used to own sony X1. haha

Just to back this up, I just moved 10 threads out of development for being questions. That's 50% of the threads visible on the first page to me...
And once I moved those 10 threads, another 10 threads came onto the front page, and every one of them was a question, complete with question tag.

Well, after some comments by moderators, I admit that:
1 - Maybe (and just maybe) have exaggerated the words, however, does not invalidate my opinion at all.
2 - I understand and agree in part (and thank) the explanations given.
3 - I admit it is not permissible certain kind of feedback from users of this forum, so obviously these comments will be deleted, however, does not seem right to close a forum discussion because of those comments even more heated (up rude). Perhaps it is more correct to call attention to certain kinds of behaviors and the consequences if they aren`t changed.
4 - I think it is preferable to "delete" comments that closing a topic (of course repeated topics obviously have to be deleted, do not argue that)
5 - is evident to me that this "call" clutter the forum X10 has to do with the fact that the devs so far failed to crack the bootloader for our X10 and the delay on the part of the SE to release a new version of Android , which leads to discussions, arguments, theories, etc. on our part.
5 - it is true and obvious that users of this sub-forum are lazier than they should and in fact should look more carefully before opening useless topics.
6 - continuo a pensar que, embora tudo o que foi explicado anteriormente seja válido, existem demasiados tópicos fechados para meu gosto. pois este e qualquer outro forum existente, serve para discussão. pois é da discussão que o mundo avança.
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translate still think that even though everything was explained earlier is valid, there are too many threads closed for my taste. for this and any other existing forum serves for discussion. because the discussion is that the world progresses.
7 - For me the issue is closed

Where are the moderators for this forum?

Alot of good information can be found in this forum - if you dig deep enough and have huge amount of time to spend on it. Because most of the posts are just crap. People saying "Yes, dito that. Will install tomorrow" or, nonsense as "thanks, appreciate that".
For Christ sake. Posts with private messages should not be public. That's why we have a private message function in most forums. Who's in charge in this forum? Keep all private information as private messages, and keep it OFF the forum. People who needs some important info on something involving mobile devices have to browse for hours before finding it - and it's mostly due to all nonsense crap within.
Normally, moderators do their job and clean up the forums from crap, but not here however. I don't know why though. Maybe there are no moderators in here
Believe me, no one really cares if some special person "will install it later" or whatever. IF the masses would care - a poll would is posted. In that case, all opinions are wanted and collected in a thread. That's OK since answers are wanted then. But if someone just wants to say "thanks" - please keep it as a private message, please please, so that all the poor readers don't have to browse through all the sh*t when looking to find some important info.
If there are moderators here - why aren't they doing their job?
If there ain't no moderators - please get some. I think this forum needs 10 or more, but then it could increase in quality tenfold or more.
Clean this up for Christ sake. Delete the nonsense. Increase quality. Make it worthy a visit, or even better, a search.

TBH, the search page is kinda useless as it's missing information on how to properly search the forums. in standard way, if you enter more than one word as search query, it will list all the forum entries where at least one word was found - utterly useless in most cases... making the search page easier for new users would probably help alot to get rid of double posts.

I think you partly make a valid point, but you just sound bitter and your poll is VERY biased. Why could it not just say "Yes" and "No"?
For that reason, I'm out of here and not taking part.

You know, I wanted to say the same thing for a long time. I'm also sad how low moderation we have here on SGS2 forums, it really makes me not want to take part of discussion. Like for example the arguing about forum manners in 2.3.4 leak root being available topic, it really should not be tolerated
I guess the main reason is simply lack of moderator staff - but I feel that sometimes none of the moderators even takes a look in general section for a whole day.
I'm not sure about their area of responsibility, but there are mods in our dev section...
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The moderators on xda are not paid, so I for one don't expect them to sit at a computer all day and read every single post in every thread in every forum. There's a button on every single post for reporting inappropriate behaviour, so we, as the community, have a responsibility to let them know when something's wrong.
I've reported all sorts of things including spam, rascism, foul language, warez links and just general rude behaviour. Every single time I've done that, without fail, it has been dealt with in the best way possible.
I think you underestimate how much goes on in these forums, and the SGS2 forum is quiet compared to some of the others!
I think the mods deserve our thanks, not our disdain. If you want a better community then you do something about it.

I think this forum is normal. It has all the typical groups of posters. Undoubtedly, the newest most awesomest smartphone is gonna attract a ton of people and it will be almost impossible to stop all their threads and posts. I think the other members do a good job modertating the serious transgressions.
I would have liked to come here and instantly found the answers to all my questions, but I realize this is a complicated subject matter and the answers I seek might not even exist. There aren't definitive answers to a lot of questions. A lot is unknown or opinion based. And if there is an answer, there are usually multiple answers.
Personally, I don't mind the dynamic that leads to multiple threads on the same subject within the same hour. You can't stop the noob onslaught. Come back after it's not cool to be here and you'll find a completely different forum.
By the way, what were you searching for?

You can apply to be a moderator if you wish to .. Nice to start your first post of with a Bang
The way I see with the amount of posting that goes in XDA with thousands of members and hundreds of post it really will be hard to moderate, especially as SGS2 is the hottest selling phone right now and lot of activity going around it.
The search function is good but still sometimes its hard to find specific answers and then its much more easier just to create a post.
Unless of course If there is a wiki or something with all things related to the SGS2

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the SGS2 forum is quiet compared to some of the others!
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tfn said:
You can apply to be a moderator if you wish to .. Nice to start your first post of with a Bang
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Seriously? With 1 post and 0 thanks that means you've contributed nothing. And you first post is a ***** that its too hard for you to find things. A bit selfish, no? Forums aren't designed to be your personal wiki. Something tells me you're not going to make a lot of friends here.

Stop eta and noob questions!!

First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
Sorry MODs for posting this thread, I'm pissed at all the noobs which are chasing away my favourite dev's
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naresh9876 said:
First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
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a good example would probably be the dev that left yesterday or the day before and had their thread closed over pretty much this same thing.....
the sense of entitlement has gotten way out of hand.... and the lack of appreciation...

Looks more to me like XDA is a victim of it's own success, and of the success of smartphones in general over the last 2 years. This is no longer a pure dev-forum.
There are 10 devs for every 10.000 yelling noobs. Who would'nt start pulling out their hair ? And if you try to educate them, you get yelled at, for flaming them lol.
Maybe Xda should reconsider their setup, and allow dev-threads where the dev can add or revoke users the right to post in HIS thread.
that's my 5 cents on the subject.
You cannot fight 9999999999999 noobs anyway, so better ignore them, or leave.

Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.

...and you forgot mr g.levarne, he also suffers from the same disease, it is a very sad situation
i wanted to add a little of my philosophy here, but i will be totally useless, questions about ETA will continue to exist

azzledazzle said:
Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.
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Well said just head over to eybees rr threat winthin minutes of announceing jbv3 the maggots were out spamming like mad where's the upload can you include this....quite sickening especially when he'd updated his op stating how long upload would be and what would be included with no extras...I can see how this would certainly drive any sensible human to go nuts. .so unless somthing new is done I can only see decent devs disappearing from here which is a REAL SHAME... (
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Hi everybody, for a best forum, i think moderator must ban all children crying for ota or the same question without read previous post, and we dont lost in the future dev as eybee !
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Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!

so true. people need to start respect others who giving things for free. not clinging behind their back like monkey.

Ban hammers should be given more liberally.
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answered, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole thread or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answers, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole theard or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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I lurk here on XDA for a long time and agreed that the number of noobs wanting candy has been really overwhelming. I basically just come to see discussion and to wait for my favorite developer to update their ROM and if there is no such update I just sit tight and wait. Why can't everyone else do the same?
We need more common sense and a little revision for the noob video I think. If you can't think to consider yours and others position and feelings during a discussion just shut up and wait.
It's a great loss to the community if at the end every devs feels uncomfortable in this forum.

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Just read your questions and posts.......
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And you forgot to mention the hoards of personal messages that developers get. Sure we can block messaging altogether, but that also means closing doors to a genuine discussion.
The moment a developer updates a build - 200 questions are whether one needs to wipe before flashing or not , 300 questions are whether an unreleased Android feature would work or not (e.g - 4.2), and the other 500 questions are variations of the prior two.

Deva should be able to wipe the garbage. Sometimes I've to go thru 40 pole telling me they are flashing....?,or their DL has taken a week to find what I need. Let them wipe it all.
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Maybe the solution is a read/post ratio lol. for every 2000 posts read, you may post 3

Its like with most things...
Once it gets to popular, it gets ruined, the average human being is a complete piece if garbage this is the natural order of things
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banning system should be more strict.
its the devs that need to be cared and protect not some noobs...
they are the one that spicy things up in xda..

banning should help
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Someone could give a ETA for this "Stop Eta"?
Public/open forums you can't expect anything, except that people will try to have the easiest sollution for them, because they cba , can't, don't want, don't know, lazy, no time, too (use) search.
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What happened to tytung

i have been off from xda lately due to my admission process.logged in some time ago and saw that tytung has stopped support on xda and all his threads closed.why did this happen.can someone shed a light on this.
I am not offending anybody's decision. Just curious
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Whats happened to tytung

Ah that's a real shame. He put out some great ROMs but that's what happens when you don't obey the rules I guess. It's also nice to see that the mods are completely unbiased and won't give members preferential treatment due to their titles.

Oddly, tytung's threads were all closed apparently because he stated that he would not support them (although he did update). That is the reason given in @kinfauns closing post(s). This is the first time that I am aware of, of threads being closed due to lack of support by the dev. And I can see no rule which states that a dev MUST provide support.
In fact (some) support for these threads was being provided by members, and that is the case for many threads in which the developer/OP is no longer contributing to xda for whatever reason.
People using tytung's roms and needing support on xda, have no choice now but to seek support from "another place". Is it the intention of xda to force people to use a rival site? Or is it to stop people from promoting a rival site and therefore breaking xda rules?
I am just a bit confused as to why these threads were closed, any clarification would be appreciated.

I agree with Robbie p that the threads should be kept open for the users to help each other. Still if the mods are against it we can have a support thread in the general section.
Feels to lose a great dev
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It more looks like few moderators are simply emotionally hurt(you know what I mean) because Tytung's left.
No seriously, this is dumb. I can't post and provide ANY support for Tytungs ROM's(as many other people who got knowledge) because someone closed threads.
Even if there's no Tytung's, WE can provide basic support, for older iterations of ROM. There's much magic still to be done with HD2 android.
This is abusive. Mod responsible for this kind of damage should be punished.

Robbie P said:
Oddly, tytung's threads were all closed apparently because he stated that he would not support them (although he did update). That is the reason given in @kinfauns closing post(s). This is the first time that I am aware of, of threads being closed due to lack of support by the dev. And I can see no rule which states that a dev MUST provide support.
In fact (some) support for these threads was being provided by members, and that is the case for many threads in which the developer/OP is no longer contributing to xda for whatever reason.
People using tytung's roms and needing support on xda, have no choice now but to seek support from "another place". Is it the intention of xda to force people to use a rival site? Or is it to stop people from promoting a rival site and therefore breaking xda rules?
I am just a bit confused as to why these threads were closed, any clarification would be appreciated.
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disclaimer ....the following reply is only my opinions
i agree with you ..there are many threads in the hd2 android dev section that should also be closed for no dev support ..in fact 98 percent of them shold be closed for lack of dev support
but what i think was the underlying problem was his links for roms went to links that generated money for him..
and i know if i was a dev that had 3 or 4 different rom threads i wouldnt wanna have to monitor 3 or 4 different q/a&t threads for those roms either that would make 6 or 8 threads a dev would have to monitor ,most dont have the time for that
hell you can see the activity in both sections has almost ground to a crawl ..its as if xda is slowly trying to fade out the hd2 android section
dont be surprised if you see some of the few remaining devs stop making roms and move on to something else
and those posts about about this being a dev thread please post in the q&a section blah blah blah are not helpfull to anyone and just clutter up the dev threads even more then offtopic posts do ..xda is trying to do much to late .ive been on xda since 2010 and there was never a problem with how the threads were maintained and handled ..
hell if the wanna do something good for the forum ..then they should change the signup rules and stop all the lazy people from just coming in new and immediatly posting about something that they couldve searched and read about but are to lazy to and want it all handed to them on a silver plate .....also they could remove people like abumaha who has never posted a single post about how good a rom is ..but always post how do i do this and why doesnt this rom work
ok im off my soapbox now

^ Still don't believe that abumaha is somehow still here :') But yeah I agree with Kam, things haven't been done completely correctly IMO.
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+1 to kameirus i agree 143%
and abuhama.. just lol
on off topic on topic, if you want to find tytung , just google "forum tytung android" and you should find his forums

Everyone knows the mod's in question were just looking for an excuse they could give. He had dropped a new hd2 rom about 2 or 3 weeks prior. He had instructions on how to install it in post 1. Exactly how much "support" does a dev have to provide the users anyway? It was bs plain and simple....oh and if you looked at his status later they knocked him down to a "Senior Member"......I haven't seen any of the OTHER idle dev's getting their status pulled for being "idle".
As mentioned..they've done an excellent job of killing off the hd2 forum....there is almost no active development going on and the closest rom to tytungs still has a long list of things marked "not working". Tytung was also the only one producing recent jelly bean kernels with hd2 specific fixes so everything worked.

famewolf said:
1. Exactly how much "support" does a dev have to provide the users anyway? It was bs plain and simple....oh and if you looked at his status later they knocked him down to a "Senior Member"......I haven't seen any of the OTHER idle dev's getting their status pulled for being "idle".
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As mentioned..they've done an excellent job of killing off the hd2 forum....there is almost no active development going on and the closest rom to tytungs still has a long list of things marked "not working". Tytung was also the only one producing recent jelly bean kernels with hd2 specific fixes so everything worked.
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That's right. all they're doing is killing the HD2 forums ...
i had reported all the "thread closed" posts by that mod, and i got:
tytung was not being picked on. This action was not taken lightly, or by kinfauns alone. tytung left us no choices.
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but in addition to close his threads, they also lowered him to senior member???
sorry if this is rude, but kinda reminds me of when a kid has his candy bar stoled, and he does everything to take revenge and take it back. enough for me

I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.

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I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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It does feel like some immature revenge.
It's not like only Tytung's got punished, but XDA users who were using his ROM's
I got unnerving thought, that this whole action is to bury HD2 development and make it Low legacy. While it's still in it's strenght despite old age
Shame on you XDA

MarkAtHome said:
I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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yeah! i just bet anyone who made this decision to port android and then build it from source and support a device that was never intended to run android in the first place!

Some of you may remember me from back in the "glory days" of Android on the HD2 when Cotulla and Darkstone were making the very first ROMs. I was here daily loading new builds, even when you could not turn the screen off one time or you'd get the SOD. That was when you could only do it through haret.
Fast forward a bit and we had magldr and cLK and where we really had a million options. Personally after a while I would pretty much stick with ACA on SD dual booted with WP7, but there were some really cool things out there to do. I spent many hours trying to troubleshoot people to flash hspl 2.08 or the right radio or to NOT flash certain radios etc. to get things going right.
Tytung was one of the greats as far as ROM and kernel development, and I am not prevaricating when I tell you that there is no XDA Staff on this site who does not respect what Tytung brought to the table. To put it in very simple yet eloquent terms: Dude had skill...
But our standing policy at XDA has always been that we do not keep open development threads with no support. Due to the fact that we just don't talk about individual dealings in public at XDA for privacy concerns we cannot get into specifics. But I can tell you that XDA has zero to gain from a developer such as that no longer supporting development threads here.
When something like this happens, there is no "victory" and no winner. sometimes things just don't work out for various reasons, and then sometimes things work out just fine in the end.
I can respect the disappointment and ambivalence on this matter, and believe me when I say that the HD2 is still a mighty device worthy of respect. I still own an HD2 along with all of the other devices I use, and it can still do some cool stuff. I wouldn't consider it a Legacy Device just yet!

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We understand all of this, but why close the threads? If you check the second or third page of the development forum and further, you can see many, and I mean MANY threads of ROMs which are either discontinued or whose developers moved onto other things, other devices. Yet, they are still open, and from time to time you see people bringing them back to surface and getting help. Just because the developer ceased support, it doesn't mean the threads should be closed. Delete his links, remove his other websites, just keep the threads open for members' discussion.
If the developer haven't requested a closure, I don't see a reason why they should be closed.

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We understand all of this, but why close the threads? If you check the second or third page of the development forum and further, you can see many, and I mean MANY threads of ROMs which are either discontinued or whose developers moved onto other things, other devices. Yet, they are still open, and from time to time you see people bringing them back to surface and getting help. Just because the developer ceased support, it doesn't mean the threads should be closed. Delete his links, remove his other websites, just keep the threads open for members' discussion.
If the developer haven't requested a closure, I don't see a reason why they should be closed.
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When a developer publicly announces he will no longer follow the rules, no longer support his work posted here, and is actively trying to recruit members away from XDA to his new site, what do you really expect us to do? Cooperate with this effort? Seriously? Sure there are lots of other threads that have been effectively abandoned by their dev/OP when they moved on to a new device, but we simply do not have the luxury of time to go sift through thousands of threads to find them. When they are reported, we evaluate the situation and then act on it according to our guidelines.
Decisions like this are never made quickly, lightly, or on the fly by a single mod here. Now, I am closing this thread and I would appreciate it if no further threads were opened on this topic as it won't help to resolve the situation but will only make it worse.
You all do not know all of the facts in this situation, nor will you as we must respect tytung's privacy in his communications with us so we will not divulge them publicly. tytung is not banned or blacklisted, and is welcome to return here should he change his mind about following the rules. If he does not want to do that, it is entirely up to him.
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