Hi there, I have attached or will link to a photo of my app list, now is it me or should I not have a different calendary icon, chrome, and more googley stuff?
Just wondering as i have flashed gapps 20121212, which i thought was latest but it doesnt look like it is?
Thanks
Did you think about checking the Play Store for updates to your apps? holy smokes.
Just because CM lists their gapps package as 121212 doesn't mean the apps are fully updated in it.
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Did you think about checking the Play Store for updates to your apps? holy smokes.
Just because CM lists their gapps package as 121212 doesn't mean the apps are fully updated in it.
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God your right! I completely forgot to check for updates! Here i was looking for a reason why my apps arent updating, and all along I forgot to check for updates!
Lol. Joking aside, I have no updates. Do you think that stock comes with G+, magazines, etc because thats stock? And Gapps just doesnt contain the less essential ones?
Just because there is a CM "gapps" package doesn't mean it'll include everything that stock does. Custom ROM makers create their own gapps with whatever apps they want. You can download most of them via the play store anyway so you don't really need a gapps package to include G+, magazines, etc.
You'd be surprised at how stupid people can be on this site when it comes to obvious things like checking for app updates.
kieronboz said:
God your right! I completely forgot to check for updates! Here i was looking for a reason why my apps arent updating, and all along I forgot to check for updates!
Lol. Joking aside, I have no updates. Do you think that stock comes with G+, magazines, etc because thats stock? And Gapps just doesnt contain the less essential ones?
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i think they consider those bloatware. and dont include them. calendar and chrome should have been in there though. if i could remember i would tell ya, but each time i try a new rom i end up hating it and go straight back to my back up image of aokp. so i dont remember what apps i had to get from the play store to complete my google lineup.
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i think they consider those bloatware. and dont include them. calendar and chrome should have been in there though. if i could remember i would tell ya, but each time i try a new rom i end up hating it and go straight back to my back up image of aokp. so i dont remember what apps i had to get from the play store to complete my google lineup.
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No. The reasoning behind not including it is because you can get it from the play store and those apps updates frequently so there isn't any point in including them because it makes the gapps size bigger as well as causing them to update the gapps more frequently
Gmail, maps etc are not bloat ware man.....
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No. The reasoning behind not including it is because you can get it from the play store and those apps updates frequently so there isn't any point in including them because it makes the gapps size bigger as well as causing them to update the gapps more frequently
Gmail, maps etc are not bloat ware man.....
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that makes perfect sense.
i was referring to play books, magazines, g+, currents, etc.
phermey said:
that makes perfect sense.
i was referring to play books, magazines, g+, currents, etc.
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Those tend not to be included. G+ has been updated twice in the last week or so, for example. But they're obviously all available in the Play Store.
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that makes perfect sense.
i was referring to play books, magazines, g+, currents, etc.
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Depends on what kind of person you are but yeah they are bloatware. I don't use any of those apps. At least they're minimal bloatware and can be removed and aren't silly promotional apps where they're game trials that can't be removed.
I'm guessing Googles justification for including them with the phone is because when you bought your Nexus 4 it included free magazines, books, and a free movie of transformers the dark moon. So if you didn't know that, check it out
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Hey Everyone,
I haven't seen anything on the Epic forums about this yet... so here is my piece.
I got the Amazon app store the other day, and I'm pretty impressed. The most impressive feature, to me, isn't the free app a day... it is the fact that it remembers your purchases/downloads. I've wiped my phone yesterday to start from scratch, and as soon as I reinstalled the Amazon App Store, it asked me if I wanted to view my purchased apps. I clicked each one, they downloaded and installed.
The part I don't get, is why can't the Android Market do the same thing? You are required to put in a user/pass (just like amazon app store)... so what prevents them from at least remembering what apps you've downloaded and provide the links to re-download them? I've used Titanium Backup to back up and restore, but I'm not convinced that it doesn't create problems (phone runs much smoother and with less problems when I don't use Titanium Backup to restore).
I know this was long, and you've probably lost interest already... but if anyone has any info or knowledge on the subject, please chime in!
That is all.
Actually my nexus one does auto restore from android market, so it might be a feature in gingerbread.
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The market does remember your purchese apps. When I had the moment then switched to the epic all the apps I bought came up on this phone when I loged in on to my gmail acc
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Ok, maybe I need to clarify a bit...
I haven't "purchased" any apps from the Android Market or the Amazon App Store. I've downloaded numerous free apps.
I would imagine paid apps get re-linked... but what about the free apps you've purchased?
I've been playing around with ROMS... so after every wipe, I go in to the market... and nothing is there.
If this is a feature in Gingerbread, it will be awesome. I would never worry or hesitate to wipe my phone if I had an issue. It isn't downloading the apps that bother me, it's searching for each one individually.
For some reason the epic doesnt have the back up data thing that aosp phones do.
When you sign in, it automatically redownloads and installs everyapp you had installed.
Also, on market.android.com you can see everything youve downloaded and install it by hand.
I agree that its stupid the epic is missing that feature. My hero running cm6 has it
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DK28 had the app restore feature, not sure why it was removed since.
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For some reason the epic doesnt have the back up data thing that aosp phones do.
When you sign in, it automatically redownloads and installs everyapp you had installed.
Also, on market.android.com you can see everything youve downloaded and install it by hand.
I agree that its stupid the epic is missing that feature. My hero running cm6 has it
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Wow, never knew about this. So if I wipe my phone, I can log into market.android.com and it will redownload all of my apps for me? As nice as it would be to have it all on the device, logging in to the website isn't bad at all!
A lot of the reviews of the Amazon Appstore never seem to mention what I personally think is a killer feature: sorting and filtering.
At any step of the way, you can choose to only view 3+/4+/5+ star apps, among other options. As soon as I heard about the new store, before it even came out, I had high hopes for sorting, knowing it's one of the great features of Amazon.com.
Google tends to shun sorting/filtering in favor of typed search queries. You can see this in the almost religious devotion to search in gmail, where sorting by anything but date is impossible without using a third party client--and this limitation is vehemently defended by Gmail supporters.
In this regard, I think Amazon will remain on top. I just don't see Google backpeddling on this philosophy, and the Android Market will remain dominated by algorithms and search queries.
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Wow, never knew about this. So if I wipe my phone, I can log into market.android.com and it will redownload all of my apps for me? As nice as it would be to have it all on the device, logging in to the website isn't bad at all!
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A little off topic but Sense 2.0 ROMS do that also. I've been running Myn's and Mik's Desire Z ports on my Evo and whenever you log back in with your Gmail account all of your apps, paid and free, automatically start downloading to the phone. Pretty neat feature.
Yep, got a Wifi Xoom today, and sure enough about 90% of my installed apps came over...all of my purchased apps are available for redownload.
Same thing happened when I switched from HeroC to Epic.
This re-download was a new feature of 2.2, and you have to have 2.2 and be going to 2.2+ to restore.
I've always been a diehard google fanatic & evangelist, but some of the recent bad press has left me disillusioned with the company and eager to break off all possible ties. To that end, is there a custom ROM for the Nexus 7 that would allow me to uninstall all or most google products - and preferably block all traffic to google's servers?
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I've always been a diehard google fanatic & evangelist, but some of the recent bad press has left me disillusioned with the company and eager to break off all possible ties. To that end, is there a custom ROM for the Nexus 7 that would allow me to uninstall all or most google products - and preferably block all traffic to google's servers?
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sure. just build it from scratch, from aosp. dont add anything google, no google apps, no market, no sync, none of googles services.. kinda odd getting a nexus device and not wanting googles services. what bad press btw?
Tax
simms22 said:
sure. just build it from scratch, from aosp. dont add anything google, no google apps, no market, no sync, none of googles services.. kinda odd getting a nexus device and not wanting googles services. what bad press btw?
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I'm English and its tax arrangements (which were revealed after I bought the Nexus 7) disgust me.
Building from AOSP is too complex for a non-developer like me. Is there not a ROM that makes it possible to pare back google services to a minimum? If not, which ROM carries the fewest google services?
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It's more straightforward to flash any ROM that suggests a Google Apps package, but without flashing it. I think rebuilding it from source sounds a little extreme. (Considering the long download times.)
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I'm confused. How would I flash a ROM without flashing it?
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I'm English and its tax arrangements (which were revealed after I bought the Nexus 7) disgust me.
Building from AOSP is too complex for a non-developer like me. Is there not a ROM that makes it possible to pare back google services to a minimum? If not, which ROM carries the fewest google services?
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Get over yourself and get a grip on reality.
EVERY company, big and small, uses tax loopholes. I can't believe you're taking a moral stand and denying yourself full functionality of a device you have already paid for, you are the only loser in this scenario, Google don't lose anything.
If you don't want Google services then don't log in with your Google account, or any email account.
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Get over yourself and get a grip on reality.
EVERY company, big and small, uses tax loopholes. I can't believe you're taking a moral stand and denying yourself full functionality of a device you have already paid for, you are the only loser in this scenario, Google don't lose anything.
If you don't want Google services then don't log in with your Google account, or any email account.
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Are you mad? I briefly answered a simple question. Is there any particular reason for your itch to harangue me about a consumer decision? I'm well aware of how corporations operate. Are you ignorant of how consumption and markets work?
lol @ this thread.
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lol @ this thread.
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I should have known better than to give any background info. My question should have been:
"Is there any ROM with no or minimal google services?"
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It's more straightforward to flash any ROM that suggests a Google Apps package, but without flashing it. I think rebuilding it from source sounds a little extreme. (Considering the long download times.)
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I'm English and its tax arrangements (which were revealed after I bought the Nexus 7) disgust me.
Building from AOSP is too complex for a non-developer like me. Is there not a ROM that makes it possible to pare back google services to a minimum? If not, which ROM carries the fewest google services?
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what Brian is saying is that many roms have a separate flashable package of google apps. you can flash one of these roms(like rasbean jelly, or cm) and not flash the separate gapps(google apps package). then you can go into your file system, /system/app/, and remove more google services(some might be needed, so it would be a trial and error of what you can remove). the end results might be rather unusable as a mobile device.
but nodstuff was right, you would be the only loser in this scenario. if you dont want anything to do with google, you should sell your device and buy something else. you would be better off. after all, arent you the most important in this scenario?
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what Brian is saying is that many roms have a separate flashable package of google apps. you can flash one of these roms(like rasbean jelly, or cm) and not flash the separate gapps(google apps package). then you can go into your file system, /system/app/, and remove more google services(some might be needed, so it would be a trial and error of what you can remove). the end results might be rather unusable as a mobile device.
but nodstuff was right, you would be the only loser in this scenario. if you dont want anything to do with google, you should sell your device and buy something else. you would be better off. after all, arent you the most important in this scenario?
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I see it differently, while wanting to hang onto a device whose format and build I'm fond of. But as I've suggested, I've not come here to debate the issue - just to seek out a ROM that suits my needs.
Thanks for your clarification over the flashing process. I'll see how far I can get.
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I see it differently, while wanting to hang onto a device whose format and build I'm fond of. But as I've suggested, I've not come here to debate the issue - just to seek out a ROM that suits my needs.
Thanks for your clarification over the flashing process. I'll see how far I can get.
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no problem with that, its your device
anyways, if you do delete something that youre not supposed to out of /sytem/app/ and your device wont work, you can always reflash the rom to get it up again. or you can make a backup in your recovery, then restore it if things go wrong.
Righteous. Right.
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Don't feed the trolls!
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Don't feed the trolls!
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Amen brother.....
.....I'm hungry.
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Wouldn't webOS do that when/if it's finally released?
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You could try the buggy Ubuntu that would be Google free but I just don't understand what Google could have done, to make you hinder your own device by choice
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rcarnes911 said:
You could try the buggy Ubuntu that would be Google free but I just don't understand what Google could have done, to make you hinder your own device by choice
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Exactly.
Bit if you dont want any google services just flash a custom rom (like cyanogenmod por something) and dont flash the gapps. Than you dont login with your google account and maybe delete or freeze the google services with titanium backup. This seems me the easiest way to do it.
JanJansen024 said:
Exactly.
Bit if you dont want any google services just flash a custom rom (like cyanogenmod por something) and dont flash the gapps. Than you dont login with your google account and maybe delete or freeze the google services with titanium backup. This seems me the easiest way to do it.
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Without playstore.....installing titanium backup or anything will be painful! Lol
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Return it and buy an ipad. Hopefully Apple is not as gross as Goggle on the tax issues you have recently learned about.
ProblemChyld said:
Return it and buy an ipad. Hopefully Apple is not as gross as Goggle on the tax issues you have recently learned about.
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Lol every company hides money off shore Google just had some one write an article about it
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I got a new Nexus 4, from my girl actually :good: But I want to clean as much space as possiable by rooting it. But when I rooted my old LG P990 the thing got slow. I don't want this to happen to this phone becuase it is such a nice phone and very fast now.
If I do root, can I delete these apps without any problems to the phone: (ex. slow, other apps not working, etc..)
Currents
Earth
email
google+
hangouts
local
messenger
movie studio
news/weather
youtube
Basic daydreams
android live wallpapers
bubbles
google korean keyboard (can I install Chinese? I am living in china studying Chinese)
Phase Beam
Quick Office
live wallpaper picker
music visualization wallpapers
Thank you. I am loving this new phone. I swear i would never touch anything LG after the P990. But the girl got it for me and I fell in love. But after this phone I still won't buy another LG. Sumsong 4 is my dream still...
It won't make a difference in speed but when a OTA update comes out it will not install
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Rooting your phone doesn't make it slow. You might as well just flash a custom ROM over it because when a new OTA comes and your girl accepts the OTA, it'll probably fail with you deleting apps from the /system/app/ folder. I recommend Carbon Rom with Franco Kernel (kernel matters more than the ROM in terms of speediness)
If you want to keep it stock... then yes removing those apps are fine.
If you want the Chinese Keyboard then just download https://play.google.com/store/apps/...29nbGUuYW5kcm9pZC5pbnB1dG1ldGhvZC5waW55aW4iXQ..
Why remove YouTube? YouTube is awesome and takes rarely any space.
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Rooting your phone doesn't make it slow. You might as well just flash a custom ROM over it because when a new OTA comes and your girl accepts the OTA, it'll probably fail with you deleting apps from the /system/app/ folder. I recommend Carbon Rom with Franco Kernel (kernel matters more than the ROM in terms of speediness)
If you want to keep it stock... then yes removing those apps are fine.
If you want the Chinese Keyboard then just download https://play.google.com/store/apps/...29nbGUuYW5kcm9pZC5pbnB1dG1ldGhvZC5waW55aW4iXQ..
Why remove YouTube? YouTube is awesome and takes rarely any space.
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Thanks for the help.
How can I delete them if I don't root? I am guessing I can't as I couldn't on my P990.
Also, about the OTA. So if I root, I will lost the abilty to update over the air?! Wow, didn't know that. That is a nice feature as I don't have a computer, I have the Surface RT and whenever I want to update or re-root my P990 I have to borrow a friends laptop. Its a PETA!
I don't watch contant on my phone or stream anything as I can't afford big data plans. If I am around wifi and need youtube, I go to my Surface RT, easier to search, etc. I don't consume content with phones. They are a tool for business for me. Plus youtube is blocked in China...
Thank you!
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Thanks for the help.
How can I delete them if I don't root? I am guessing I can't as I couldn't on my P990.
Also, about the OTA. So if I root, I will lost the abilty to update over the air?! Wow, didn't know that. That is a nice feature as I don't have a computer, I have the Surface RT and whenever I want to update or re-root my P990 I have to borrow a friends laptop. Its a PETA!
I don't watch contant on my phone or stream anything as I can't afford big data plans. If I am around wifi and need youtube, I go to my Surface RT, easier to search, etc. I don't consume content with phones. They are a tool for business for me. Plus youtube is blocked in China...
Thank you!
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It isn't root that will not allow you to flash the OTA. Its the removal of stock apps.
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You can also always revert the root, without loosing anything...
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El Daddy said:
It isn't root that will not allow you to flash the OTA. Its the removal of stock apps.
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ok. I was looking at the apps tab under settings and I noticed you can disable the stock apps. Do many people do this? I assume this will stop the app from working and not allow it to use the internet, correct?
Also, if I disable the ones listed above would that screw up other google apps? Will it make the phone a little faster? Maybe not noticable, but possiable?
Yeah disabling them means just that. Disabling Google apps may break things. I doubt disabling apps will make the phone faster. Its pretty fast the way it is.
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Yeah disabling them means just that. Disabling Google apps may break things. I doubt disabling apps will make the phone faster. Its pretty fast the way it is.
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Yeah, the N4 is not a Samsung device packed with bloatware. There is very less gain in wiping system apps.
gee2012 said:
Yeah, the N4 is not a Samsung device packed with bloatware. There is very less gain in wiping system apps.
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Agreed although I do disagree with the bloatware part to a certain extent. Google does bloat their phones with Google apps such as: Google+ etc. I personally don't use it but it comes shipped. But yeah when compared to the other devices it doesn't have carrier apps or any Samsung app store or whatever.
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Back when I had the HTC T-Mobile G2/Desire Z I did a youtube rom showcase kind of thing, if you want to see what it would be like I have a link to the thread here on XDA in my signature. Of course since it was a few years ago I now have better equipment in the works for better videos. I know there are only 2 roms out right now, CM 13 and CM 14.1, however since the phone is still relatively new I have a feeling development might pick up in the next few months. Would anyone be interested in seeing something like that? I've always liked putting out videos that you don't really see, as I know it can be mildly frustrating sometimes while looking for something.
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First video is in progress with writing and all that stuff. No ETA just yet, as I have some college stuff to finish up the next few days. I'll open a dedicated thread once the first video is uploaded
id watch it just like a "try before i buy" type thing
I would like to see how the phone lives rooted/with cm on board, etc, before trying myself. As a noob, don't wanna mess up my new phone. However, want get rid of google bloatware (yeah, i'm among the paranoid cavemen, who doesn't trust google now, etc)
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I would like to see how the phone lives rooted/with cm on board, etc, before trying myself. As a noob, don't wanna mess up my new phone. However, want get rid of google bloatware (yeah, i'm among the paranoid cavemen, who doesn't trust google now, etc)
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Hey I get you on that one. I have CM13 installed, no GAPPS installed whatsoever and I'm using MicroG, F-Droid, and some third party APK sites instead. Takes a bit to get MicroG set up but honestly, I don't miss Google whatsoever other than the seamless contact and calendar sync.
Plus the battery life is insane without Gapps. Only charged up 10-15% once in two days.
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Hey I get you on that one. I have CM13 installed, no GAPPS installed whatsoever and I'm using MicroG, F-Droid, and some third party APK sites instead. Takes a bit to get MicroG set up but honestly, I don't miss Google whatsoever other than the seamless contact and calendar sync.
Plus the battery life is insane without Gapps. Only charged up 10-15% once in two days.
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I also want to install microG u face any issues from use of microg
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I also want to install microG u face any issues from use of microg
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I haven't had any problems with it personally. Took me a good 30 minutes to get it fully set up, but it was my first time attempting to go 100% google free for a change and dealing with it.
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I haven't had any problems with it personally. Took me a good 30 minutes to get it fully set up, but it was my first time attempting to go 100% google free for a change and dealing with it.
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Can u tell me which setup we need ?
fireball0093 said:
Hey I get you on that one. I have CM13 installed, no GAPPS installed whatsoever and I'm using MicroG, F-Droid, and some third party APK sites instead. Takes a bit to get MicroG set up but honestly, I don't miss Google whatsoever other than the seamless contact and calendar sync.
Plus the battery life is insane without Gapps. Only charged up 10-15% once in two days.
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MicroG? And how did you remove gapps? 0-o what is this sorcery!
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MicroG? And how did you remove gapps? 0-o what is this sorcery!
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I flashed CM 13, and only that. MicroG, correct me anyone if I am wrong as I just recently rediscovered it, is essentially a replacement for Google Play Services and a few other things, allowing push notifications for apps such as FB Messenger, Instagram, Twitter, etc. If you want to check out the thread here on XDA, here it is
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Can u tell me which setup we need ?
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Head over to the thread here. To my knowledge it works best on any non-stock rom. I don't think/know if it can be used on a stock rom
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I flashed CM 13, and only that. MicroG, correct me anyone if I am wrong as I just recently rediscovered it, is essentially a replacement for Google Play Services and a few other things, allowing push notifications for apps such as FB Messenger, Instagram, Twitter, etc. If you want to check out the thread here on XDA, here it is
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Oh thats cool. Is battery performance better than regularr Google apps too? Cuz if it is... :good:
Is there any installations quirks I should know tho? Only works for CM?
zeeBomb said:
Oh thats cool. Is battery performance better than regularr Google apps too? Cuz if it is... :good:
Is there any installations quirks I should know tho? Only works for CM?
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I got about 7+ hours of screen on time over 2 days, and only had to charge it up 10% or so once. Ended the day with about 35-40% battery left. It should work for any custom rom where you are required to also flash the google apps. I personally didn't run into any installation problems with it
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I got about 7+ hours of screen on time over 2 days, and only had to charge it up 10% or so once. Ended the day with about 35-40% battery left. It should work for any custom rom where you are required to also flash the google apps. I personally didn't I run into any installation problems with it
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Do any apps with MicroG have problems woking? Cuz I read some parts of it don't work on certain apps
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Do any apps with MicroG have problems woking? Cuz I read some parts of it don't work on certain apps
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The regular apps I use I didn't run into any issues other than Yahoo Weather, wouldn't display the radar.
I generally hate these types of threads, but I'm looking for a specific bit of information and a ROM recommendation.
Which ROMs offer the most compete and fullest experience without GApps? I'm seriously considering doing an install with no GApps, and seeing if I can get by with just microG. I'd like the ROM I go with then to come with a nice, full-featured and up-to-date suite of open source apps built in, without feeling like I'm using a bunch of old apps from AOSP that haven't been updated since Holo.
I'm guessing LineageOS and OmniROM are the top choices, but do most microG users prefer one over the other?
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I generally hate these types of threads, but I'm looking for a specific bit of information and a ROM recommendation.
Which ROMs offer the most compete and fullest experience without GApps? I'm seriously considering doing an install with no GApps, and seeing if I can get by with just microG. I'd like the ROM I go with then to come with a nice, full-featured and up-to-date suite of open source apps built in, without feeling like I'm using a bunch of old apps from AOSP that haven't been updated since Holo.
I'm guessing LineageOS and OmniROM are the top choices, but do most microG users prefer one over the other?
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I'd use Chads uber. That rom is more powerful than any other rom and comes with gapps and not many apps. Also you can just use titanium backup to freeze apps
wrkerr said:
I generally hate these types of threads, but I'm looking for a specific bit of information and a ROM recommendation.
Which ROMs offer the most compete and fullest experience without GApps? I'm seriously considering doing an install with no GApps, and seeing if I can get by with just microG. I'd like the ROM I go with then to come with a nice, full-featured and up-to-date suite of open source apps built in, without feeling like I'm using a bunch of old apps from AOSP that haven't been updated since Holo.
I'm guessing LineageOS and OmniROM are the top choices, but do most microG users prefer one over the other?
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Depends what you need from the google apps. Some work with microg some not.
I only keep google apps because of Google Photos which doesn't fully work under microg.
I've found open source alternatives for all other apps that I use, sometimes working even better.
Yeah would be nice 2 go googleless.
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Depends what you need from the google apps. Some work with microg some not.
I only keep google apps because of Google Photos which doesn't fully work under microg.
I've found open source alternatives for all other apps that I use, sometimes working even better.
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Can you please share these alternatives? I'm quite satisfied by now, but it's always nice to have options
Interesting. This is the first I've heard of MicroG. I've been reducing my Google footproot for about 6 months now. I have been running with all of my google activity paused for several months. It's actually a pain in the a$$, when I need to use maps, and no data from my locations or area is there, but that's also a good thing, and why I do it. Maps is probably the biggest hassle. If I were smarter, I'd just get another navigation app that I trust more than the Mothership, ha ha.
So, their site says that their version of the playstore doesn't work? So you can't download aps from it? Why do they offer it, is it needed for certain apps maybe? I could live with apk mirror if I needed to. It would just be much more inconvenient.
What's the reason for you guys to reduce the google stuff then?
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What's the reason for you guys to reduce the google stuff then?
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There are probably a handful of reasons, but I'll give you my top 2.
First, I am generally trying to avoid closed source software, where the software's inner workings are hidden from the users. If it's going to run on my hardware, and I'm going to trust it with my personal information, I'd prefer that the developer(s) to be transparent enough to let us know what their software is doing on my systems, and with my information. Most all of Google's core apps are now closed source.
Second, I don't like Google's logging policy. They retain as much data as they can, and I think that should give any thoughtful user reason for concern. Google may or may not be doing malicious things with the data they are retaining now, but even if I'm trusting them with my traffic today, knowingly participating while they log activity requires that I also trust that Google will continue to be benevolent with that data in 10, 20, and 30 years into the future, since that data is likely not being lost (particularly as data storage continues to get cheaper and cheaper). Not only that, using their services also requires placing confidence in them that their databases will not be breached at any point in the future, with leaked data falling into malicious hands. To me, it seems to be a virtual certainty that the data integrity will be breached at some point, it's just a matter of time.
Therefore, it seems like an unnecessary risk to take when and where there are good alternatives to Google products and services. Some risks are worth it. Others are not. Let each man judge for himself.
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Interesting. This is the first I've heard of MicroG. I've been reducing my Google footproot for about 6 months now. I have been running with all of my google activity paused for several months. It's actually a pain in the a$$, when I need to use maps, and no data from my locations or area is there, but that's also a good thing, and why I do it. Maps is probably the biggest hassle. If I were smarter, I'd just get another navigation app that I trust more than the Mothership, ha ha.
So, their site says that their version of the playstore doesn't work? So you can't download aps from it? Why do they offer it, is it needed for certain apps maybe? I could live with apk mirror if I needed to. It would just be much more inconvenient.
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OsmAnd is the open source navigation app many people use.
Similarly, F-Droid is an open source app store.
wrkerr said:
There are probably a handful of reasons, but I'll give you my top 2.
First, I am generally trying to avoid closed source software, where the software's inner workings are hidden from the users. If it's going to run on my hardware, and I'm going to trust it with my personal information, I'd prefer that the developer(s) to be transparent enough to let us know what their software is doing on my systems, and with my information. Most all of Google's core apps are now closed source.
Second, I don't like Google's logging policy. They retain as much data as they can, and I think that should give any thoughtful user reason for concern. Google may or may not be doing malicious things with the data they are retaining now, but even if I'm trusting them with my traffic today, knowingly participating while they log activity requires that I also trust that Google will continue to be benevolent with that data in 10, 20, and 30 years into the future, since that data is likely not being lost (particularly as data storage continues to get cheaper and cheaper). Not only that, using their services also requires placing confidence in them that their databases will not be breached at any point in the future, with leaked data falling into malicious hands. To me, it seems to be a virtual certainty that the data integrity will be breached at some point, it's just a matter of time.
Therefore, it seems like an unnecessary risk to take when and where there are good alternatives to Google products and services. Some risks are worth it. Others are not. Let each man judge for himself.
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Thanks for stating your point. I can get in to that.
Always nice to hear peoples reasons for doing things the way they do. Interresting.
I'll study this some more.
I tried to de-google the other night, but couldn't get everything implemented properly. I could use titanium backup pro, but I couldn't get Ex Kernel Manager to work (it needed to check it's license), and other apps like Google play music etc.
I think I need signature spoofing. Is that only availab if it's built into the ROM, or can I add that functionality on my own?
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OsmAnd is the open source navigation app many people use.
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What device do you have? I can't get OmsAnd to work on my 6P. It can't locate me it says, but it has proper permission.
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HikingMoose said:
What device do you have? I can't get OmsAnd to work on my 6P. It can't locate me it says, but it has proper permission.
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Are you using GApps or microG? If you're using microG, I believe you also should install their UnifiedNlp and a location provider plugin for it.
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Are you using GApps or microG? If you're using microG, I believe you also should install their UnifiedNlp and a location provider plugin for it.
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Gapps for now. My ROM doesn't have signature spoofing, so I can't use microG ?
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HikingMoose said:
Gapps for now. My ROM doesn't have signature spoofing, so I can't use microG
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Hmm, idk then. On my 6P with GApps on OmniROM, OSMAnd just works out of the box. I installed it from F-Droid.
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Hmm, idk then. On my 6P with GApps on OmniROM, OSMAnd just works out of the box. I installed it from F-Droid.
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I could be doing something wrong. It's very, very feature rich, and I'm 100% new to it, so maybe there's a setting somewhere that needs to be turned on for it to be able to find me?
I don't have Google maps installed, just play services and whatnot. I installed from the play store.
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Gapps for now. My ROM doesn't have signature spoofing, so I can't use microG
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To add signature spoofing you can use one of these three tools: Tingle, Needle or Haystack.