Hello guys . I have been using my S2 for more than a year but never felt of overclocking it where as in many HTC phones thread on XDA i have seen people talking of overclocking their phone . Like Sensation many of its custom rom thread has written 1.7 or 1.5 Ghz oced . I have been noticing it for more than a year when I got S2 while at the S2 threads i rarely see people talk about Overclocking. What's your take on it ?
2 words - Exynos and Mali
Beats the hell out of competition without any sort of OC
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anshmiester78900 said:
Hello guys . I have been using my S2 for more than a year but never felt of overclocking it where as in many HTC phones thread on XDA i have seen people talking of overclocking their phone . Like Sensation many of its custom rom thread has written 1.7 or 1.5 Ghz oced . I have been noticing it for more than a year when I got S2 while at the S2 threads i rarely see people talk about Overclocking. What's your take on it ?
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yup there is no need to OC. It will only consume more battery and heat up the phone. S2 has a powerful processor
anshmiester78900 said:
Hello guys . I have been using my S2 for more than a year but never felt of overclocking it where as in many HTC phones thread on XDA i have seen people talking of overclocking their phone . Like Sensation many of its custom rom thread has written 1.7 or 1.5 Ghz oced . I have been noticing it for more than a year when I got S2 while at the S2 threads i rarely see people talk about Overclocking. What's your take on it ?
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I've owned both S2 n Sensation I had Sensation XE so it was clocked at 1.5Ghz by default. That's why it was recommended and now 1.7Ghz coz One S Indians version has same chipset but clocked at 1.7Ghz. So that chipset can be OC'd without damaging. And on S2, everything's so smooth even with broken stuff on exynos that one simply does not talk about OCing
Yup, S2 isn't necessary to OC. Never felt like it's working too slow, even thinked about selling my S2 and buy worse LG G2x and save money, but saving it the other way, not buying new phone and holding S2 for longer. Really I don't get why people need to use quadcore CPU when IMO dual is efficient enough. I always flash different kernel/software just to save battery, even was working on CPU with UC to 600MHz per core.
HTC One S interests me most, but I don't have time for any deals and swapping. And this need to be said: Sense is awesome UI and all developers working on HTC phones, because they always try to port latest version unlike S2, which had very low interest in getting JB from S3 port or w/e other softwares except miui, aosp etc. (haven't said features ported like multiwindow now or note gallery are for nothing, they are also cool and thank for this). Liked it more than TW, but just thinking now, TW is user-friendly and not like first impression when it sucked for me, got familiar with it pretty fast.
I had previously Galaxy ACE which was clocked at 800 MHz which i felt was not efficient in running ICS ROMS so overclocked it to 900Mhz.. symptoms like overheating started to crawl in.. But in S2 i never OC'd I never felt it as slow sloth.. In jelly Bean i feel it lags sometimes, ICS and GB never lagged.. I dunno abt HTC but they made ICS run flawlessly on Desire C with 600Mhz proc!! So then i thought OC s for gamers, for normal calls, msging i think OC is useless...
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2 words - Exynos and Mali
Beats the hell out of competition without any sort of OC
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yes true that
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yup there is no need to OC. It will only consume more battery and heat up the phone. S2 has a powerful processor
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Yes even i never felt like over clocking , a friend of mine has HTC Sensation and its always oced to 1.7
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Yup, S2 isn't necessary to OC. Never felt like it's working too slow, even thinked about selling my S2 and buy worse LG G2x and save money, but saving it the other way, not buying new phone and holding S2 for longer. Really I don't get why people need to use quadcore CPU when IMO dual is efficient enough. I always flash different kernel/software just to save battery, even was working on CPU with UC to 600MHz per core.
HTC One S interests me most, but I don't have time for any deals and swapping. And this need to be said: Sense is awesome UI and all developers working on HTC phones, because they always try to port latest version unlike S2, which had very low interest in getting JB from S3 port or w/e other softwares except miui, aosp etc. (haven't said features ported like multiwindow now or note gallery are for nothing, they are also cool and thank for this). Liked it more than TW, but just thinking now, TW is user-friendly and not like first impression when it sucked for me, got familiar with it pretty fast.
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Yes totally agreed
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I had previously Galaxy ACE which was clocked at 800 MHz which i felt was not efficient in running ICS ROMS so overclocked it to 900Mhz.. symptoms like overheating started to crawl in.. But in S2 i never OC'd I never felt it as slow sloth.. In jelly Bean i feel it lags sometimes, ICS and GB never lagged.. I dunno abt HTC but they made ICS run flawlessly on Desire C with 600Mhz proc!! So then i thought OC s for gamers, for normal calls, msging i think OC is useless...
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hmm I think even after more than a year (actually its going to be 2 years) S2 is still performing great with no lags and problems and the Exynous 4 is doing a great job .!
Some quick points here.
The CPUs used in the SGS2 (Cortex-A9) and the HTC Sensation (Qualcomm Scorpion) are vastly different beasts. One of the most consistent ways to measure a CPU's performance is in DMIPS. An A9 puts out 2.5DMIPS per clock cycle. A Scorpion puts out 2.1. So, at 1.2ghz, an A9 puts out 3000 DMIPS per core. At 1.5ghz, a Scorpion puts out 3150 DMIPS per core. However, A9 does true symetrical multi-processing whereas Scorpion does not. This means that in single threaded applications, a 1.5ghz Scorpion will be about 5% faster than a 1.2ghz A9. But, in multi-threaded applications, or in multi-tasking environments, the A9-based SOC (Exynos) pulls ahead. That's why HTC users tend to need to overclock more often. They were behind right off the bat and needed to compensate. In most cases, the A9-based Exynos at 1.2ghz is as fast as or faster than the 1.5ghz Scorpion-based Snapdragon S3. And, that doesn't even count the GPUs in these phones.
Also, someone mentioned that HTC has better developer support, having developers port newer versions of Sense to older phones. There's a reason for that. When Samsung updates their older phones, they include many/most aspects of the newer TW UI (such as the SGS2 now getting the Nature UX). HTC rarely does this, so WE have to do it for them. Hell, my old Droid Incredible had Sense 1.0. The slower Desire Z (and variants, like the Merge) got Sense 2.0, but we didn't. The next lineup of phones got Sense 3.0, and we didn't. Our Android 2.3 looked and acted the same as 2.2 and even 2.1, just smoother. So the community has to backport these features. With Samsung, they do it for us in many cases.
oc is not worth it, with this kind of powerful chipset. i even tried it (1,5 ghz) but i only realized a higher battery drain and just minor speed improvements.
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Some quick points here.
The CPUs used in the SGS2 (Cortex-A9) and the HTC Sensation (Qualcomm Scorpion) are vastly different beasts. One of the most consistent ways to measure a CPU's performance is in DMIPS. An A9 puts out 2.5DMIPS per clock cycle. A Scorpion puts out 2.1. So, at 1.2ghz, an A9 puts out 3000 DMIPS per core. At 1.5ghz, a Scorpion puts out 3150 DMIPS per core. However, A9 does true symetrical multi-processing whereas Scorpion does not. This means that in single threaded applications, a 1.5ghz Scorpion will be about 5% faster than a 1.2ghz A9. But, in multi-threaded applications, or in multi-tasking environments, the A9-based SOC (Exynos) pulls ahead. That's why HTC users tend to need to overclock more often. They were behind right off the bat and needed to compensate. In most cases, the A9-based Exynos at 1.2ghz is as fast as or faster than the 1.5ghz Scorpion-based Snapdragon S3. And, that doesn't even count the GPUs in these phones.
Also, someone mentioned that HTC has better developer support, having developers port newer versions of Sense to older phones. There's a reason for that. When Samsung updates their older phones, they include many/most aspects of the newer TW UI (such as the SGS2 now getting the Nature UX). HTC rarely does this, so WE have to do it for them. Hell, my old Droid Incredible had Sense 1.0. The slower Desire Z (and variants, like the Merge) got Sense 2.0, but we didn't. The next lineup of phones got Sense 3.0, and we didn't. Our Android 2.3 looked and acted the same as 2.2 and even 2.1, just smoother. So the community has to backport these features. With Samsung, they do it for us in many cases.
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Very well said mate .
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oc is not worth it, with this kind of powerful chipset. i even tried it (1,5 ghz) but i only realized a higher battery drain and just minor speed improvements.
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Agree with you bro .
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Is anyone aware of over clocking on the hummingbird? 45nm process cpu should be an advantage.
Posted from a T-mobile G1 cyanogen ROM. This platform has reached its limits, my contract has reached its end, t-mo and HTC have failed to produce a suitable replacement. Epic here I come!
5years+ with t-mo.
Overclocking a 1GHz processor is hardly worth it, unless its used with underclocking for battery life.
I'm really sad there won't be any Cyanogenmod for any of the Samsung phones. I'm hoping he has a change of heart.... Otherwise I'm just looking for a good rom.
T-Mobile has horrible coverage in my area. Need me some epic!
We can go from 1000 MHz to 1300 MHz with 65nm CPU.Since its a 45nm CPU we should be able to get 300 to 1000 more MHz with a kernel with voltage increase. The galaxy s 2 has 2000 MHz CPU with 45nm processor.
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Is it confirmed that cyanogen won't do samsung? This seems to be the most widely distributed Android superphone ever.
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I'm really sad there won't be any Cyanogenmod for any of the Samsung phones. I'm hoping he has a change of heart.... Otherwise I'm just looking for a good rom.
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Where did you get this? You should post a source link if you're going to make such statements.
There are already developers working on CM6 for the Vibrant and the Captivate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729364
Once a member of the team has an Epic, we'll have a port also.
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We can go from 1000 MHz to 1300 MHz with 65nm CPU.Since its a 45nm CPU we should be able to get 300 to 1000 more MHz with a kernel with voltage increase. The galaxy s 2 has 2000 MHz CPU with 45nm processor.
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Are we going to be able to get past 1.6 ghz ?
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I bet we will pretty easily, but nobody really knows at this point. The only similar processors are in the iPad, iPhone 4 and DROID X, and all those devices are locked down pretty hard. I think the Galaxy is going to show whether or not this chip can actually be overclocked.
I wouldn't be too suprised to see 2ghz, although I think the most anybody would actually want on their phone is about 1.6.
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Where did you get this? You should post a source link if you're going to make such statements.
There are already developers working on CM6 for the Vibrant and the Captivate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729364
Once a member of the team has an Epic, we'll have a port also.
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Argh. Made me have to go searching through his twitter timeline.... -__-;;;
Everyone is asking about CM on new Samsung phones.. I don't have any plans for it myself, but I'd love to see it.
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http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/18500141823
Now, I know that doesn't mean CM WON'T be on the Epic, (Which i'm glad some devs are taking on porting it to the Galaxy lineup) but what I said, was referring to when he stated he "didn't have any plans for it".
Maybe I took that statement too literally, but if that is untrue, having CM on the Epic would make it just about perfect!
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Are we going to be able to get past 1.6 ghz ?
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Seems like 1.6 might be pushing the limits.
I for one will attempt to fork CM my self for the Epic once we have root and recovery.
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Seems like 1.6 might be pushing the limits.
I for one will attempt to fork CM my self for the Epic once we have root and recovery.
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Why is 1.6 ghz pushing the limit? I did some research and it seems the Motorola droid can go to 1.3 or 1.5 ghz without issues and is potentially going to be OCed to 1.8ghz in the not too distant future, if it hasn't been already. Now if you take into account that the Droid uses the old TI OMAP 3430 processor, which is a Cortex A8 architecture processor made on the 65nm process and the Hummingbird processor in the Galaxy S phones is also a cortex A8 but made at the 45nm process, it sounds like 1.6ghz is definitely doable, maybe on the high end for reasonable every day use, but 2 ghz definitely sounds feasible to me at this point. However only time will tell. This definitely justifies the idea of a 2 ghz phone being released before the end of the year though. It will just require high binned processors.
Cyanogen strikes me as the type of guy where if the phone was sitting in front of him he would be helpless to resist tinkering with it.
We may want to start a pool to buy him one.
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Why is 1.6 ghz pushing the limit? I did some research and it seems the Motorola droid can go to 1.3 or 1.5 ghz without issues and is potentially going to be OCed to 1.8ghz in the not too distant future, if it hasn't been already. Now if you take into account that the Droid uses the old TI OMAP 3430 processor, which is a Cortex A8 architecture processor made on the 65nm process and the Hummingbird processor in the Galaxy S phones is also a cortex A8 but made at the 45nm process, it sounds like 1.6ghz is definitely doable, maybe on the high end for reasonable every day use, but 2 ghz definitely sounds feasible to me at this point. However only time will tell. This definitely justifies the idea of a 2 ghz phone being released before the end of the year though. It will just require high binned processors.
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I think 2 ghz is feasible as well since the are already pushing the new cpu to 2 ghz in the galaxy s 2. It really all depends on the cooling system in the epic 4g. If it can cool the cpu enough i see no reason why we cant hit 2 ghz. I just hope they didnt screw up the cooling with the added keyboard. It would suck to see all galaxy s lines running at 2 ghz but the epic held back by the changes for the keyboard.
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Argh. Made me have to go searching through his twitter timeline.... -__-;;;
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/18500141823
Now, I know that doesn't mean CM WON'T be on the Epic, (Which i'm glad some devs are taking on porting it to the Galaxy lineup) but what I said, was referring to when he stated he "didn't have any plans for it".
Maybe I took that statement too literally, but if that is untrue, having CM on the Epic would make it just about perfect!
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Ha, no worries. I saw that tweet too and came away thinking, "he's not going to rush out and buy the phone, but he's more than willing to help another developer port CM to it."
I don't think there should be any concern about whether or not CM will be ported. The big question will be what complications arise from the extra features of the Epic, like the keyboard, 4G radio, LED, etc.
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Ha, no worries. I saw that tweet too and came away thinking, "he's not going to rush out and buy the phone, but he's more than willing to help another developer port CM to it."
I don't think there should be any concern about whether or not CM will be ported. The big question will be what complications arise from the extra features of the Epic, like the keyboard, 4G radio, LED, etc.
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There is cm6 for the evo so there should be no issue with 4g by the time the epic is out. cm6 for the evo is in beta but runs good on my evo.
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Cyanogen strikes me as the type of guy where if the phone was sitting in front of him he would be helpless to resist tinkering with it.
We may want to start a pool to buy him one.
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Thats a good idea. I am going to ask him if we got him a epic if he would work on cm6 for us. I can pitch in $50 or more.
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Thats a good idea. I am going to ask him if we got him a epic if he would work on cm6 for us. I can pitch in $50 or more.
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Yeah! I was actually thinking this too awhile ago.
If we got a donation up and running, I could donate maybe 20-30 bucks toward getting him a Epic IF he promises to make a super awesome rom for it!
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Why is 1.6 ghz pushing the limit? I did some research and it seems the Motorola droid can go to 1.3 or 1.5 ghz without issues and is potentially going to be OCed to 1.8ghz in the not too distant future, if it hasn't been already. Now if you take into account that the Droid uses the old TI OMAP 3430 processor, which is a Cortex A8 architecture processor made on the 65nm process and the Hummingbird processor in the Galaxy S phones is also a cortex A8 but made at the 45nm process, it sounds like 1.6ghz is definitely doable, maybe on the high end for reasonable every day use, but 2 ghz definitely sounds feasible to me at this point. However only time will tell. This definitely justifies the idea of a 2 ghz phone being released before the end of the year though. It will just require high binned processors.
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Well put.
THere will not be 2ghz phones for a very long time. Apple choose to clock the iPhone 4 at around 700mhz even though it is fully capable of doing 1GHz. There are going to be power consumption concerns, the galaxy and droid x cna get away with 1ghz because of the large batteries but smaller phones will probably need to be underclocked. A phone running at 2ghz will use significantly more than twice as much power as the galaxy s, and that just isn't practical on a phone.
Snapdragon seems to be able to achieve higher clock speeds, but it also seems to be less efficient per clock, judging by how the droid x and galaxy s are both faster than the identically clocked EVO and N1. So maybe we will see snapdragons in the 1.5ghz+ range, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be significantly, if at all, faster than the 1ghz OMAP/Hummingbird processors we have already.
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I bet we will pretty easily, but nobody really knows at this point. The only similar processors are in the iPad, iPhone 4 and DROID X,
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I thought the ONLY thing similar was the initial clock speed, other than that they were a TOTALLY different architecture, as evidenced by 3d performance (iPad = 20 million tringles/second, Galaxy S = 90 million triangles/second.)
I think the processor differencve was like comparing P4 tech to core I7 tech, which leads me to wonder why would you overclock it since the performance is alredy 4 times that of the pther phones.
Like what some of the earlier posters said, would like the ability to underclock the Hummingbird to extend the battery life. Since its performance is way better than the Snapdragon, its like having a HTC Incredible/EVO but have extra 10/20/30% battery life.
I know we have gotten to as high as 1.3 ghz but can our processors reach 1.4 or 1.5 ghz I know battery life would suck...but sometimes its cool to not have these other phones kick the crap out of us...haha
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Aye aye aye....
Unless the G2 was running Android 2.1 (which it never has been) it's virtually impossible to compare the two. Ghz mean nothing...
Wait until the Epic is running Froyo and see who needs to catchup to whom.
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I know we have gotten to as high as 1.3 ghz but can our processors reach 1.4 or 1.5 ghz I know battery life would suck...but sometimes its cool to not have these other phones kick the crap out of us...haha
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There was a 1.4ghz kernel but it want very stable. The extra 1ghz ain't much and is not needed unless your worried about how big your phones **** is
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Lol that was a good one.
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Not to mention that not all g2s can even handle over 1ghz, they've got a much weaker gpu and the hummingbird has been successfully rooted up to 1.6ghz, but its nowhere near ready for prime time
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The hummingbird can be clocked to 1.6hz and the gpu can achieve 75+fps on both neocore and nenamark (after having the fps cap removed.)
Is this not enough for you? We are still in 2010...
Team Whiskey has put out a Vibrant kernel (alpha) than can hit 1.6Ghz, and they're working on 1.8 and 2.0. Once they release the code (which should be soon), it shouldn't take long for an Epic version to surface.
Is stability not a problem with these high overclocks? I don't understand how someone can just put out a Xghz kernel for everyone to use. Aren't there hardware limits, ones that will be arbitrary device to device?
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Is stability not a problem with these high overclocks? I don't understand how someone can just put out a Xghz kernel for everyone to use. Aren't there hardware limits, ones that will be arbitrary device to device?
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Pretty much. Not everyone's phone can overclock. Just the luck of the draw.
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Pretty much. Not everyone's phone can overclock. Just the luck of the draw.
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Not unlike desktop CPU overclocking then.
Well yes and no...every one can be overclocked...it boils down to how much..and how well of an over-clocker a chip is..then obviously it boils down to manufacture quality aka luck of the draw.
For example...the 1st gen snapdragon is a sub par overclocker...while the 550mhz chip in the original droid is an awesome overclocker....
It kinda boils down to the manufacturer limiting the frequency to a certain amount..sometimes for stability..but often times to charge you extra for more mhz...Intel has been doing it for years selling the same chip in 3 different clocks when in reality it is exactly the same chip.
I mean if samsung wanted to they could have easily released it at 1.3ghz..they just had no reason to...
just wait till the Epic is running 2.2 and u will see who the real winner is
the biggest issues for smartphone ocing are heat n battery, cuz unlike a desktop were u can keep uping the volts n if it gets to hot just add more cooling, a smartphone is all passive so you cant go much above stock voltage or it'll melt, plus wht good is 2ghz if u can only run it for an hour b4 ur battery dies
So then why is it such a big deal to make a ROM capable of a high clock? Someone could make a 5ghz ROM, but it would never work. If Hummingbird CAN go to 1.8ghz, I don't see why the current overclocked kernel's don't already reflect that.
In other words, I think we shouldn't hope for much over 1.2ghz, which is already pretty good.
Any stability testing programs for Android? Or is everyone saying "no crash = must be stable"?
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
Root it and provide system dumps
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.
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I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.
Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
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Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.
mac208x said:
soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....
So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.
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The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.
Any info out there about this baby overclocked? Will standard overclocking tools work or does new software need to be devloped?
To overclock the cpu I think you'd need a custom kernel that allows it first. But if the bootloader is locked then custom kernels can't be flashed.
You won't have to worry about performance issues with tegra 2 for while though .
As if you needed to run Crysis on it?
Tough crowd this morning!
This site is here for getting the most out of devices. Rooting and removing bloatware increases performance. Customized ROMS increase perfomance and user experience. I merely asked about another tool for optimizing a device.
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To overclock the cpu I think you'd need a custom kernel that allows it first. But if the bootloader is locked then custom kernels can't be flashed.
You won't have to worry about performance issues with tegra 2 for while though .
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Haha,don't underestimate the people who hang out at XDA and other dev sites, we find ways to work these phones to the bone. I know for myself I will have probably 100 apps downloaded and installed in the first 24 hours, and will be testing its limits.
You have the best cpu in a phone ever and you want to over clock. Wow. Why?
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snapdragon was the best @ one time and most roms had overclock built in!
Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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snapdragon was the best @ one time and most roms had overclock built in!
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Hence why he said 'at one time'.
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Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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Snapdragon is far from being the worst CPU, clock for clock. First of all, Snapdragon is not a CPU, is a SoC (System on a Chip), and the CPU core inside Snapdragon is called Scorpion. Scorpion is neither a standard ARM Cortex A8 nor A9 core unlike the CPU core inside the Hummingbird/TI OMAP/Nvidia Tegra. But it can be thought of as among the same class as Cortex A8 CPUs. The Scorpion has some big advantage over standard Cortex A8 core in some areas (e.g. floating point). The reason why many found the first generation (in Nexus One and HTC Desire) to be "slow" was that they look only at composite benchmark like Quadrant and/or 3D games. The first generation of Snapdragon has a rather dated GPU (Adreno 200) in it, and Adreno 200's 3D performance is honestly, bad. The second generation Snapdragon (Desire Z/G2, Desire HD) uses a much faster GPU, Adreno 205, making the Snapdragon 3D performance on par with Hummingbird and other current generation SoC.
So before you go again saying Snapdragon is the slowest "CPU", go do some reading, and think, before saying. Here is some good reading for you:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...gra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/5
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Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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if you blindly trust benchmarks the Scorpion CPU in the 2nd gen snapdragons are quite fast... my G2 benchmarks at...
Quadrant: 2,700ish
Linpack: 52.69
Sunspider:2,257
Neocore:57
infact, all of those benchmarks either match, or surpass the Atrix 4G.
No problems here with my snapdragon 1Ghz. linpacks constant 42+
Now that the phone is rooted can we use setCPU to underclock it so to save battery.
Or does setcpu not support dual core.
Also is what I said above true. if we have root we can underclock without putting custom kernels.
The nvidia tegra 2 kernel does not have a simple method to modify the CPU freq table. The dev working on the gtablet kernel would be a good resource to ask, his name is Pershoot. From my understanding he would have to backport the original ARM scaling which is not trivial in the least.
Maybe someone can figure out another way.
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As if you needed to run Crysis on it?
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Actually yeah, and who wouldn't? That's probably enough to get you instantly laid in some countries.
Arkasai said:
Actually yeah, and who wouldn't? That's probably enough to get you instantly laid in some countries.
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Serious bragging rights right there.
Guy 1: "Damnit, I just got Crysis 2, and I can't even run Crysis 1 on my computer."
Guy 2: "Yeah well I can run it on my cell phone...look."
Guy 1's Girlfriend: "Take me, now, Guy 2!."
You get the picture.
Sorry to go off-topic there. But I do have a question. Isn't the Tegra 2 ARM9 based? And there's nothing wrong with wanting to push a device to it's limits. Overclocking is fun.
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Haha,don't underestimate the people who hang out at XDA and other dev sites, we find ways to work these phones to the bone. I know for myself I will have probably 100 apps downloaded and installed in the first 24 hours, and will be testing its limits.
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lol same here. I have about 45 installed on my Galaxy Tab and all of them will be installed on the Atrix immediately and tested. I plan on testing every single game I can find on the market lol biggest being Dungeon Defenders for now...runs a bit slow on the Galaxy Tab and I've heard on Tegra2 it runs *GREAT*.
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You have the best cpu in a phone ever and you want to over clock. Wow. Why?
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Because you can make it better. Why settle for less? My captivate is fast and does everything I need it to do at 1ghz but I have it at 1.3 now; and under volted.
Why? Because it is better.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
Is there a simple way to backup all the apps installed on my phone so I can just dump them instantly into a new phone? Preferably without having to hit "install" for every app on the market.
wow, its a dual core processor and you want OC... ugh, get out... lol
Hey guys,a long time ago in a galaxy far far away(well,it was only last week,but I gotta make it sound more dramatic ),I was watching video comparisons of the two phones on youtube and reading others like a maniac,trying to decide which is best.In every review that someone made a benchmark between the two and used Linpack to measure the CPU's power(believe me,there is nothing more reliable for the CPU),the end result was that the Sensation's CPU is better clock for clock marginally.
So there I was earlier today,trying to show myself how good my purchase was,and I was comparing my GS2 with my Desire HD.Before someone comes up and tries to defend the Sensation,bear in mind that:
1)The Sensation's dual-core CPU is actually two identical Scorpion cores,like the one found inside the Desire HD,just overclocked to 1.2GHz insted of 1GHz.
2)Linpack isn't able to properly benchmark dual-core CPUs,so the result you get is from one core.
Now,as most reviews showed,on 1.2GHz(yes,my DHD is rooted etc,check my sig) the scores of the Desire HD were slightly better than those of the GS2.Better...like 46MFLOPS against 45MFLOPS or so.
Then,the spirit of the overclocker took over my mind.So I grab both phones and overclock them all the way up to 1612MHz(usign Tegrak overclock ultimate on my GS2).The results are what I want to point out with this thread.
At that clock speed,the Desire HD struggled to get 60MFLOPS(In fact I don't think it ever reached that much,more like 58-59),while the GS2 was confidently between 63 and 65 MFLOPS.
Bottom line is that the GS2's performance increases in a more "linear" way than the Sensation's.I know most people won't overclock,but I am here to defend our phones!
In case you don't even care or find this thread pointless etc,you can pretty much press your back button and get out without flaming/trolling.Please?
Hey you went to all that effort so ill say good work, and having a positive thread about the gs2 is a good thing so double thumbs up.
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NIK516 said:
Hey you went to all that effort so ill say good work, and having a positive thread about the gs2 is a good thing so double thumbs up.
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Haha!Yep,I thought so!
Well,it's a nice find for me.At least I've proven that the Sensation doesn't have a better CPU as its users would like to believe and boast about!
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erm... aren't sensation and desire hd two different phones? also, you first say that linpack is the best cpu benchmark out there, but then you continue by saying that it cannot test dual core cpu?
i'm a bit confused.
andrej.marinic said:
erm... aren't sensation and desire hd two different phones? also, you first say that linpack is the best cpu benchmark out there, but then you continue by saying that it cannot test dual core cpu?
i'm a bit confused.
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Yep,one doesn't cancel the other.The only benchmarking tool that uses both cores is smartbench 2011 as of now.Others will probably follow.It's not a fault that Linpack doesn't benchmark both cores,the programmers haven't done the coding yet.Just that.
And yes,the Desire HD and the Sensation are different phones,albeit with the same CPU CORE,not the same CPU.
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Hey guys,a long time ago in a galaxy far far away(well,it was only last week,but I gotta make it sound more dramatic ),I was watching video comparisons of the two phones on youtube and reading others like a maniac,trying to decide which is best.In every review that someone made a benchmark between the two and used Linpack to measure the CPU's power(believe me,there is nothing more reliable for the CPU),the end result was that the Sensation's CPU is better clock for clock marginally.
So there I was earlier today,trying to show myself how good my purchase was,and I was comparing my GS2 with my Desire HD.Before someone comes up and tries to defend the Sensation,bear in mind that:
1)The Sensation's dual-core CPU is actually two identical Scorpion cores,like the one found inside the Desire HD,just overclocked to 1.2GHz insted of 1GHz.
2)Linpack isn't able to properly benchmark dual-core CPUs,so the result you get is from one core.
Now,as most reviews showed,on 1.2GHz(yes,my DHD is rooted etc,check my sig) the scores of the Desire HD were slightly better than those of the GS2.Better...like 46MFLOPS against 45MFLOPS or so.
Then,the spirit of the overclocker took over my mind.So I grab both phones and overclock them all the way up to 1612MHz(usign Tegrak overclock ultimate on my GS2).The results are what I want to point out with this thread.
At that clock speed,the Desire HD struggled to get 60MFLOPS(In fact I don't think it ever reached that much,more like 58-59),while the GS2 was confidently between 63 and 65 MFLOPS.
Bottom line is that the GS2's performance increases in a more "linear" way than the Sensation's.I know most people won't overclock,but I am here to defend our phones!
In case you don't even care or find this thread pointless etc,you can pretty much press your back button and get out without flaming/trolling.Please?
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In regards to the linpack, i think i've seen the same comparison review. I mentioned it in the same thread that i ran the test and also got near 47MFLOPS when i ran the test. Same thing goes for quadrant, i've hit as high as 3450ish on stock rom and then gotten as low as 2900. I've posted in the same website that their testing method is flawed because they don't run multiple tests
I hate the fact that in comparision reviews between GS2 and Sensation, reviews usually just say both of them use 1.2GHz dual-cores and fail to mention that the CPUs are not the same.
As tolis626 pointed out that the CPU's cores in the sensation are the old Scorpion CPU used in the DHD but have one more core. They are partially out of order, while the Cortex-A9 in GS2 are fully out of order which translate to a win for GS2.
On the Linpack benchmark, it measures floating point performance and Scorpion has a better implementation of floating point unit hence Scorpion is better than Cortex-A9 clock for clock in Linpack. But smartphone application is not bound by floating point performance, according to AnandTech, so we won't see that extra performance all the time.
well I got 48.208MFLOPS without any overclock on my SGS2
Like the majority of users, I'm a noob when it comes to overclocking/rooting/benchmarking, I just haven't gone near it (yet )
I watch others' videos on it. And basically, on the stock browser, on the stock ROM, the GSII always get significantly better than the Sensation....so I'm happy with my purchase. Seems soo pointless going for a "HTC" because it has the "HTC" logo, even though it's browser is poor and it's signal fails.
ok, the above is a stupid troll comment. But you get the point.
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I hate the fact that in comparision reviews between GS2 and Sensation, reviews usually just say both of them use 1.2GHz dual-cores and fail to mention that the CPUs are not the same.
As tolis626 pointed out that the CPU's cores in the sensation are the old Scorpion CPU used in the DHD but have one more core. They are partially out of order, while the Cortex-A9 in GS2 are fully out of order which translate to a win for GS2.
On the Linpack benchmark, it measures floating point performance and Scorpion has a better implementation of floating point unit hence Scorpion is better than Cortex-A9 clock for clock in Linpack. But smartphone application is not bound by floating point performance, according to AnandTech, so we won't see that extra performance all the time.
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What I was trying to get at is that the Sensation is NOT better clock for clock,it just gives better numbers at that frequency.It also kneels when underclocked and under terrible load,something the GS2 doesn't suffer from.
Don't be mistaken,the Scorpion CPU core is a really good one.And as far as I'm concerned it's by far better than the CPU of the Hummingbird inside the original GS.What plagues the Sensation is a terrible implementanion of the Scorpion core in a dual-core chipset.We should wait till some devs do their magic on that thing before we can call it worse.
Just my...5 cents,I wrote too much!
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And as far as I'm concerned it's [scorpion] by far better than the CPU of the Hummingbird inside the original GS.
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is this a subjective or an objective observation?
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
they both seem quite competitive
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is this a subjective or an objective observation?
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
they both seem quite competitive
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Woah,I did state that ONLY the CPU is better on the QSD8255,not that the whole SoC is better than the Hummingbird.The latter was a beast in the graphics department(and still is),so it's more than competitive actually.
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