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Camera comparison, iPhone 4S is the best

I am not happy either but it seems that 4S is really the best that you can buy in mobile phone when it comes to camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php

Yep, they did it again. I wonder why OEMs don't try to make better cameras with good lenses on Android devices...

5m is good enough for me
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Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.

Not so fast.. They used one daylight and one night shot. The difference between the 4S and the GS2 was pretty small, with the GS2 winning some of the measures. It depends on priorities. For me the GS2 just takes it actually.
Video on the GS2 can be modified to have higher bit rates than the 4S, and it does improve the video.

I would too like to see better camera improvement on future generation phones. Yes, phones aren't dedicated cameras and won't give the same quality as one, but using your phone as a camera is just so convenient, especially carrying around a thin phone compared to a bulky camera. Would like to see a camera that snaps quick like the Galaxy Nexus with a better lens/sensor.

Absolute BULL****!
Hands down iphone4s offers best video recording?
If you prefer un-natural colours, poor low light footage and an 'extremely choppy video- when moving sideways....
Are they for real?
Funded by apple?
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this is BS gsmarena has already done a test and they said the gs2 was far superior so were do they get this crap from

PC World did a much more thorough comparison:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/241955-2/smartphone_camera_battle_iphone_4s_vs_the_android_elite.html
Great cameras on both phones!

damirbusic said:
Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.
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Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.
Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.

I have S2 and 4s, but I have to say 4s is better (for me) when taking a pic..
such as capture speed, exposure, and color..
similar but better, how should I say that
but when it comes to video recording S2 rocks
I'll post both photos from S2 and 4s later..

diggedy said:
Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.
Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.
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Comparing your arc to your friend's iPhone 4S does not constitute a proper test. Post picture comparisons here and let us judge for ourselves, because unless you do so, your argument is void and you come off as a simple fanboy. I mean you are arguing that the tests done by review sites are completely full of ****, yet fail to provide any evidence to prove your point other than your word. So in your opinion, in whom do you think we have more faith: you, or the tech sites that have years of experience and none of the obvious bias?
Looking at comparison shots across multiple review sites that have the know-how on how to take a proper photograph, I have yet to see a single shot taken with the Xperia Arc that would immediately crown its camera the king of those found in mobile phones. Its camera is good, but far from the best. The N8 is the clear winner there.
Judge for yourself(arc s left and iPhone 4s right):
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Have to give that one to the 4S. The Arc looks unfocused (way less texture detail in the walls).

iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.
Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.

damirbusic said:
iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.
Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.
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The PC World test I linked to did put the SGS2 ahead of the iPhone 4S, but the pictures clearly speak for themselves; the camera in the iPhone 4S is much better.

I can't figure why anyone even bothers doing pointless amateur comparisons, I only can guess that flaming and clicks...
When it comes to photo, there's usually more than meets the eye that should be taken in consideration when considering a shoot-out:
1. Details about the camera: the sensor itself ( circuitry and pixel pattern/array),pixel density on the sensor, optics ( CZ vs plastic)
2. Details about the camera usage specs- firmware dependent: init time, focusing interval, focus points, capture response time, ISO values-what values are useable, dynamic range, shutter speeds.
MAYBE most important
3. OS-dependent details: jpeg/compression algorithm, color rendering algorithm, noise reduction algorithm, ...
Give me a RAW file from any sensor and I can make the photo better looking than anything.
Given that fact they are making a review about cameras, though cell phones cameras, they should have the decency to ask someone that has written a review about cameras.
It's like writing about wines and declaring one to be the best solely by the time and volume it took to get the girl into the bed.

This is interesting. I would like to have a phone with the perfect camera. Such a thing doesn't exist. So I have chosen the phone that is best all around.
If all I wanted was a great camera and didn't care about any other features I would take what my wife has, a Nokia N8.
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I have both the phone. The quality and video recording is indeed better on the iPhone 4S from what I can see in my eyes.
But c'mon guys? When did the S2 come out? You really gonna think 'Apple' won't be spying or checking up on competitors to release something 'atleast' better during iPhone 4S production?

These reviews are easilly manipulated.
PC world gave a much better non biased review and it puts the SGS2 above the Iphone 4s in the camera department.
One thing is sure is that the SGS2 gives better night shots then the Iphone 4S.....The Iphone 4S gives a brighter picture but loose a lot of details.

I've hated phones that use noise reduction/edge sharping to scrub out the detail and replace it with digital artifacts. Whats wrong with grain.
So from that stand point I love what Apple is doing with their unit. Detail isn't something you can get back once its lost.

Camera Comparison of DOOM (Warning: if you have bandwidth caps, steer clear)

OK so here it is. I took some time this evening with an old Galaxy S, a new(ish) Galaxy S2, a shiny new Galaxy S3, and an iPhone 4S (for good measure).
Problem statement: Samsung has been accused of equipping some versions of the Galaxy S3 with an inferior image sensor, providing degraded low light sensitivity when compared to the Galaxy S2 and other top phones. This is bad because customers expect to be purchasing a tested and true level of quality with their new device, not buying into a game of chance "which sensor do you get with your $200 and two year contract?"
Background: Samsung, like most large companies, has a limited supply chain. Many times with a product launch such as large as this, they will take shortcuts. Usually, these shortcuts are not major problems. Apple does this all the time, they use memory modules from different manufactures, capacitors from different places, etc. Samsung does this as well. It only becomes a problem when something major, such as the camera/battery/glass/etc is enough different to change the user experience. It has been proven that on the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy S3 samsung has sourced their image sensor from two locations:
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Methods: Well, this is no lab test. I tested these phones side by side, one at a time. I took at least 3 pictures for each image shown and selected my favorite. The first images use auto everything because that is going to be the most common setting (and in the case of the iPhone, the ONLY setting, minus HDR mode). Following this I enabled night mode on the androids and took another set of images. Pictures were selected with 100% bias towards what I thought looked nice overall, nothing more. No tripod was used, but I tried to keep each phone as steady as possible. It's my job to perform microsurgery (on occasion) so I think I'm qualified to hold the phone still enough. No other settings were messed with.
I did not try to find good angles for the phones, instead I placed them in situations where the lighting was poor/hellish. The pictures were all taken indoors with few/no lights on, with ambient light messing up the shots, and no flash (which would have made all of these shots 10000x better). It was overcast and late in the evening.
First off, camera firmware for the S2 and S3
The iPhone should be shaking with all this epicness in front of it
In this set, the iphone would autofocus both outside and inside so both images are shown. No matter where I tapped to focus with the Galaxy's, I could not get the chair to come out clear. I could have adjusted the settings manually I guess. I re-sized the S1 image here accidentally (it's 5MP not 8MP). The iPhone, S1 and S3 all did well, with the edge going to the iPhone and S1 (surprisingly)... the S2 and S3 were very temperamental.
This set threw in some motion. I wouldn't try to quantify it, however. When that dog gets excited there isn't a camera anywhere fast enough to avoid motion blur. The framing was difficult as I was trying to keep the dog in the picture, but anyway, the S3 on auto had my favorite results overall. With night mode enabled
the S2 and S3 both looked good, I feel the S2 took the best shot with night mode.
In this set, the S3 night mode and HDR beat everything else hands down. The S2 looked good, but I had issues keeping it still, the S3 was very sharp each time despite the increased exposure.
Getting into pure darkness without a flash (who does this???), I only compared the S2 and S3. The S1 did surprisingly well here... but it's old tech so nobody cares. The iPhone was just black screen, nothing to compare. As for my take on these... yes, the S3 is REALLY red. That means the S3 has a crappy IR filter. But all hope is not lost... anybody that knows anything about night vision knows that IR and near-IR light is the most valuable. The fact that the sensor is able to collect this much IR really helps it "see" in the dark, even if it's primarily one color. While this may cause some minor problems at normal light levels (very minor, since this light is hardly present, remember the lights are almost totally off here), by passing the S3 image through some very minor filters in photoshop the image comes out beautiful. The third image looks almost identical to how the scene looked to my own eyes, slightly yellow hue from the dim lights, redish wood table. IMO at least.
Moving into some real situations, here is a macro shot of the S1 and S3
And in finale, my dirty car. The S1/2/3 all had good color reproduction, with the S2/3 having more detail, and the S3 the best overall. The iPhone kept trying to focus on the wheel (It either thought it was a face, or Siri was getting hot for the rims) which was the cause for the bad white balance.
In conclusion, in three generations of camera's, the biggest change is in detail. In all of the S1 images, noise is present in much higher amounts, although it held in WAY better than I expected for its age. As for the S3 being worse than the S2, for at least these tests I do not believe this to be the case. If anything they are very comparable. While some see the excess near-IR on night shots as a bad thing, remember it is always a tradeoff. Less IR (red) makes the shot more balanced naturally, but since the other wavelengths will be so sparse you will have little (or no) detail. At least with the red, you can regain vasts amounts of detail, and post process a little bit later to get a very nice picture. On a side note, I noticed the S3 compresses its pictures more than both the S2 and the iPhone4S. The only phone with smaller images was the S1, and it has a 5mp camera. This may not be a factor for anything, but I did find it interesting.
To not offend any apple fans, considering the fact they have zero control over the functioning of the camera, it did pretty well. Had the flash been used (like they should have been), I believe the S3 and iPhone would have been pretty much tied. I don't like apple, but I did try my best to be fair and take good pictures with all phones.
I do apologize for not having the GDxxxx firmware S3, as many were looking forward to seeing it in this comparison. I hope this helps somebody out there regardless. Lastly, unadulterated pictures can be found https://picasaweb.google.com/117440914475223218617/CameraComparison?authuser=0&feat=directlink with all the exif data you could ever need if you can sort through them.

hmm, looks like not many images are showing up... i'll add links instead
*edit* gotta give it lots of time to load

Nice review
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thank you for taking the time to put this together, excellent job!

Great comparison shots. Thanks! :good:

How do you enable night mode? I looked in camera settings and I do not see it, I'm using the AT&T version.

newtoandroid99 said:
How do you enable night mode? I looked in camera settings and I do not see it, I'm using the AT&T version.
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Camera - > settings - > scene mode - > Night
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do you think there's a difference between the Samsung and Sony image sensor for the S3? If so which is better?

I don't believe that has been determined yet, but hopefully it will be soon. It seems like the general consensus is the Sony sensor has better low light performance and may have less blooming in bright light, but we are still trying to get a direct comparison so anything anybody says right now is just a guess. Hopefully I will be able to make a quick comparison this weekend if I can get away from my work for a while. Personally, I am happy with the samsung sensors performance as it is very good, but it's always nice to know which sensor is the king.

So how do I determine which Image sensor my S3 has?

Nice comparison. I feel like my wife's 4S takes better photos sometimes.
Thanks for taking the time
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georgei11 said:
Nice comparison. I feel like my wife's 4S takes better photos sometimes.
Thanks for taking the time
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Yup same here, some pictures look better in my wife phone. Sad thing is that iPhone 4s came out last year, now iPhone 5 will probably have even better camera this year, but I'm fine with the gs3 I only use the pictures for Facebook and mms
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jdpdata said:
So how do I determine which Image sensor my S3 has?
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type *#34971539# in the dialer, then click Phone/CAM FW Ver Check at the top.
If the string of numbers at the bottom starts with a ZDxxxx you have a samsung it is believed, while a prefix of
GDxxxx is believed to be the Sony image sensor.
It doesn't surprise me that the iPhone4S takes better pictures in normal conditions for many, the camera, audio chip and video processor are the best designed pieces on the 4S imo and remain the bar. The camera app is totally automated and does a lot of processing in the background invisible to the user. These pictures were mainly set up to compare the cameras in situations that small cameras innately struggle with. I mostly put the 4S in as a type of standard/control since I felt a real camera would make them all look silly, and many are familiar with the 4S.
Comparing the 4S to the S2/S3/OneX in typical lighting situations is something that has been beaten into the ground by many, with everything from tripods to image analysis software with no obvious winner (depending on who you ask). The only things I feel comfortable saying are that the 4S is easier to take good pictures with, while our phone takes practice and skill due to many more options, and that the 4S is utterly useless in darkness while our phones are only somewhat useless. Anyway I'm no photographer, just a science nerd with some fancy phones

I posted this over on the international, but for anyone concerned about the camera. I'm going to attempt to swap out the camera for the other module. My Pebble Blue AT&T has the Metal Housing that people talk about along with the ZD firmware. I took my phone apart and checked, it's super easy. I went on Ebay and found what appears to be the Sony module based on pictures from the International forum and the iFixit page. The cameras, parts and the way these phones come apart are essentially identical. There were even some labels on the inside that said GT-I9300. I'll let you guys know when I get the parts.

duowing said:
I posted this over on the international, but for anyone concerned about the camera. I'm going to attempt to swap out the camera for the other module. My Pebble Blue AT&T has the Metal Housing that people talk about along with the ZD firmware. I took my phone apart and checked, it's super easy. I went on Ebay and found what appears to be the Sony module based on pictures from the International forum and the iFixit page. The cameras, parts and the way these phones come apart are essentially identical. There were even some labels on the inside that said GT-I9300. I'll let you guys know when I get the parts.
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I have a 32gb blue Sprint version with the ZD firmware and im pretty upset about it. I exchanged it and got another one with a ZD firmware. I'm beginning to think that the GD Firmware (sony) modules are only in the 16gb versions. Are there any folks out there with 32gb blue's that have gd firmware?

spydc said:
I have a 32gb blue Sprint version with the ZD firmware and im pretty upset about it. I exchanged it and got another one with a ZD firmware. I'm beginning to think that the GD Firmware (sony) modules are only in the 16gb versions. Are there any folks out there with 32gb blue's that have gd firmware?
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i have 16gb claro panama blue and it ZD version. chill, there is not a huge difference in quality both are BSI
and ZD is only firmware, u may still ahve sony imx 175 bsi sensor

GSM Arena One vs S4

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
A must read

AW: GSM Arena One vs S4
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.

paranoid2007 said:
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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Yeah it did not make my decision easier, I want them both after reading it

It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.

I saw somewhere in local forums that S4's camera is very bad. But GSMarena are in fact saying otherwise.

it's clearly biased in a lot of areas
especially with this BS "it couldnt care less about it looks in a way its making a stronger statement than it's competitor"
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
also the screen and battery tests are both very flawed
he did not mention the power saver or brightness during the battery tests (actually brightness)
as for the screen, nothing makes sense, the One has a brighter screen and better view angles, nearly every other review said so
i am willing to accept the ultra pixel comparison, if Samsung indeed is giving a proper 13MP sensor without noise or low light issues than it will definitely destroy the HTC One camera but i have to say they did not do a real low light test
but yes yes if i have to chose i would go for the camera on the S4, its still better than than the big sacrifice in detail
i'm pleased OIS really works on the One and disappointed by the extremely narrow field of view on the S4

Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance.
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What.

Eggcake said:
What.
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but dont miss this, it means the s4 is using a slow shutter speed in low light:
Samsung Galaxy S4. Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance. You'll have to snap several photos to make sure you have a good one, but the end result will be better than what the HTC One produces. The Galaxy S4 has a slight advantage in low-light video too.
The HTC One is more reliable - thanks to its OIS you can snap just one photo and know it will be about as good as it gets. But the camera's performance is simply nothing to write home about, and there are cases when OIS just isn't helping at all (when shooting moving subjects).
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What.
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Some blogs consider evening light as "low light" - then traditional cameras still take better pics. Ultrapixels shine when "low light" means night in a city or a pub.

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hamdir said:
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
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Actually it's a draw in the hardware area, which the S4 scores only because of its sd slot and removable battery. I think that's a fair judgement.
As to pure design quote :
From a pure design standpoint, the HTC One wipes the floor with the Samsung Galaxy S4.

Brac20 said:
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.

My only complaint with this review is what they considered low light.
It was still enough light for my OG EVO to capture a decent picture.
Other than that very detailed comparison.
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yea they missed the low light point completely
the area the S4 wins is brightness and not light capture, you can easily adjust this on the HTC One using the settings
but like i said i personally would go with a camera like on the S4 but it's not fair to say to claim we are not winning anything at all in low light
we saw tons of samples to prove this already
and most important shutter speed remains the most important area in a smartphone camera, unless you like repeating your photos

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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
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Sorry but i disagree. In one handed use i can reach all points on a 4.7 inch screen but not on a 5 inch. So for me the overall unit size isn't the key. Also The One has vastly superior sound so is worth the extra size.
But this is exactly what I mean. It is a completely subjective decision, so putting it in pros and cons in an objective review is biased.

and yes the sound, they say its slightly better but that is also untrue, its vastly as confirmed by many reviews

The worst review I ever seen on photo part. Whatever photo once upscale, it will be bad in quality.
Only GSMArena reviewer will ever upscale the photo size for comparison, fail!
Beside this, the review was obvious biase in certain part.

by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One

If you think this could be a reliable test, take a look at this...
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hamdir said:
by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
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Well, apparently HTC is working on a software update to help with the camera "issues" that the One is having. I'll withhold judgement on the camera until that is put out and we have time to see how it affects camera performance.

I think the GSMArena takes manipulation of the mind to the level an art (like others do too), the way they twist some characterstics to seem like advantages and then go completely the other way around when it comes to others. Even when they give high praise to a phone's characteristic they can make it so that you feel like the other one is even better. It is an art which is played mostly at an subconscious level.
In the end it's not a conspiracy, it is problably just a need for good web traffic=money and they can make it so by praising the dominant company. There are probably dozens of millions of Samsung users and it is better to make them think and be at ease with the Samsung product they have chosen, being gratified with the fact that they are on the best side - its just a mind calming factor + gets your site lots of mouse clicks.
S4 is a beast but for me the qualities i seek in a phone put the HTC One on top and the S4 problably not even second.
PS: the most worrying thing is what hamdir said about the camera. Hope it does not turn out to be true but there seem to be a big difference in the quality of the photos between different reviews. Seems like this delayed launch is good for me as i can look further into this problem.

HTC One vs Lumia 920 Imaging Comparison

Hey Guys!
What do you think about this HTC One vs Lumia 920 Imaging Comparison? I have used both HTC One & Lumia 920 but i must say i was a little disappointed to see the HTC One low-light performance. It doesn't perform how it was promised too. What was most disappointing was that it didn't even have "Light Assisted Focus" which made it difficult to take focused photographs in low light. What do you guys think about it? Did i miss anything? Did i overlook the "Light Assisted Focus" or am i right? Looking forward to your informative replies.

the Lumia 920 use settings similar to night mode on the One, so try night mode and more importantly try HDR which is the SGS4 night mode method but at much faster shutter
Regrading focus the "touch to capture" mode will solve it, when you touch your target, the camera will reach focus and take a shot
using HDR plus auto flash light, will "flash assist" the HDR capture and the results are incredible (similar to the method used in Lumia 925)
HDR (no flash, good shutter speed)
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finally comparisons are not allowed on this forum

I bought HTC One as a replacement to my Lumia 920 (and I still have it).
I have not made any proper comparison yet, however my immediate feeling is, that HTC One is a big downgrade in terms o camera performance, when it comes to IOS, picture quality and recorded sound quality. The only thing that HTC is superior in is (in my opinion) image sharpness/details, which are still lacking on the WIndows Phones.
Having said that, I treat Lumia as my idiotic experiment and I will probably never abandon Android again.
If I find a bit time I will do a picture comparison with both phones, side by side.

valdigre said:
I bought HTC One as a replacement to my Lumia 920 (and I still have it).
I have not made any proper comparison yet, however my immediate feeling is, that HTC One is a big downgrade in terms o camera performance, when it comes to IOS, picture quality and recorded sound quality. The only thing that HTC is superior in is (in my opinion) image sharpness/details, which are still lacking on the WIndows Phones.
Having said that, I treat Lumia as my idiotic experiment and I will probably never abandon Android again.
If I find a bit time I will do a picture comparison with both phones, side by side.
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Can you make zoes with a Lumia too?

to be honest I don't think the comparison is fair. The image quality of the htc one is simply awful. Nearly every other phone i had made better pictures (ok the nexus 4 was a bad one ^^). that said, i have to admit it IS very decent in low light and color reproduction. but while other phones produce clean and detail rich photos in normal daylight, my one struggles to keep up with.
the camera is really the only thing I absolutly dislike about this phone (and as a sony fan that is a huge compliment toward htc).
what bugs me the most is that 4MP in reality isn't that awful at all, still htc decides to treat the picture with way to much smoothing, eliminating effectively that few details it captured. Despite I honor my camera in my phones a lot, I have to admit I would still miss the One if I'd sell it. After all, it's still 1 little detail.

Mooozer said:
to be honest I don't think the comparison is fair. The image quality of the htc one is simply awful. Nearly every other phone i had made better pictures (ok the nexus 4 was a bad one ^^). that said, i have to admit it IS very decent in low light and color reproduction. but while other phones produce clean and detail rich photos in normal daylight, my one struggles to keep up with.
the camera is really the only thing I absolutly dislike about this phone (and as a sony fan that is a huge compliment toward htc).
what bugs me the most is that 4MP in reality isn't that awful at all, still htc decides to treat the picture with way to much smoothing, eliminating effectively that few details it captured. Despite I honor my camera in my phones a lot, I have to admit I would still miss the One if I'd sell it. After all, it's still 1 little detail.
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i agree with you HTC One is a great phone except that awful camera i dont know why they didnt use Omnivision or Sony sensor rather go with ST microelectronics

cihanleanne said:
i agree with you HTC One is a great phone except that awful camera i dont know why they didnt use Omnivision or Sony sensor rather go with ST microelectronics
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ST Micro is mic

I give HTC props for trying to buck the trend and do something "new" but it does have it's weaknesses.
Instead of trying to be different by using a 4MP and try to debunk the megapixel craze, they should have made a 8MP Ultrapixel camera and just market it as the new generation of cameras, and then appease all crowds.

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I give HTC props for trying to buck the trend and do something "new" but it does have it's weaknesses.
Instead of trying to be different by using a 4MP and try to debunk the megapixel craze, they should have made a 8MP Ultrapixel camera and just market it as the new generation of cameras, and then appease all crowds.
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I don't think you understand what "Ultrapixel" is.

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I don't think you understand what "Ultrapixel" is.
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I'm sure I don't.
I have absolutely zero understanding of camera sensors, etc.
I'm generally a proponent of people feeling way too entitled to having some kind of super digital camera in their phone.
But if an OEM is going to try, go big or try again.

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I'm sure I don't.
I have absolutely zero understanding of camera sensors, etc.
I'm generally a proponent of people feeling way too entitled to having some kind of super digital camera in their phone.
But if an OEM is going to try, go big or try again.
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Funnily enough, HTC did go big with "Ultrapixel".

It's not bad in daytime, it's just not great. Only good/meh. It blows away even the L920 in night time though.
Overall I'd like to see HTC take on the L1020 with a huge sensor. 1/1.5 with 14.5MP would destroy the L1020 for low light, although it would have less sharpness (need at least 20MP to eliminate bayer artifacting through oversampling).

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No its not when i fix tear the Htc one it was ST Microelectronics

Se some posters suggesting an 8mp ultra pixel camera in future htc units. But is that even possible without destroying the slim design? If you want to build a sensor with the larger ultra pixels and pack twice number of pixels, the sensor must become much larger. And then you probably must move the lense further away from the sensor to cover it with light (the image). Hence you need to build a thicker device.
Maybe this is why Nokias are on the hefty side.
But hey, this is just a humble theory based on my limited knowledge of sensors and optics.
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First full day with my Moto-x and Iphone pic comparision

I purchased a moto-x yesterday out of contract to give it a "road test" and If I liked it I would return it and order 32gb as my Iphone 5 replacement. I had to make a trip to NYC today. My train ride into Penn station is typically 1 hr 10 minutes and today I waited another 10 at the platform. I started out at 100% and started streaming Spotify over LTE and sat on reddit and google chrome for most of the way along with a few games of solitaire and burnt it down to 65%. I fared about the same with my Iphone 5 while making the same run pre-IOS7 however expect worse performance after the update. I was in battery park for the most of the day and lost another ~10% in the subway roaming/intermittent streaming. By the time I got on the train 7 hours later I was at 35%, I used the navigation for about 10 minutes to get some food (awesome btw).
Things I like about the phone.
The screen size is nicer than the Iphone 5 however may not be "as bright" I assume this has to do with the OLED screen.
The Active notifications has to be my favorite feature. It really is quite nice and I dread going back to my Iphone 5 without it.
The active feature while driving is nice however I haven't given it the full test yet.
Google Hangouts is amazing, it really is and I am going to force my girlfriend to use it on her iphone.
Android feels like a smart phone that wants to "help you". I'm sure that doesn't make sense. It just has some mystical google type power IMO.
Things I don't like.
I was hoping battery life would be a little better based on reviews, however I find it good enough.
The camera however this is an AT&T phone without the latest update. The camera will make or break this phone for me as I have a room full of fishing pictures, most are really good and taken with smartphone camera's (Iphone's.)
Also I tried to scan a barcode and it was just NOT happening while on the train, something the iphone did no problem (using myfitnesspal)
It also doesn't charge as fast as my iphone, however that may be because of the larger battery?
Also, when I return this phone this weekend, is there A way I can have everything backed up, so when I get my new phone I won't have to set everything up again and download all these apps over?
Here is the pic comparison, done side by side. http://imgur.com/a/tywmw

I'm actually having trouble making my picture look as bad off as you did and I am not able to reproduce it.
The color in my photos is spectacular, way better than my HTC One. I just took this of my salt water fish tank and it's way more than close... It's impeccably accurate.
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Doing photo comparisons at this point is a waste of time. Att is going to have the update out very soon so why bother. The camera is great after the fix.
Compare then.
To answer your question you have the option to back up ur apps through your Google account. They redownload as soon as you log in on the next phone

osiris355 said:
Doing photo comparisons at this point is a waste of time. Att is going to have the update out very soon so why bother. The camera is great after the fix.
Compare then.
To answer your question you have the option to back up ur apps through your Google account. They redownload as soon as you log in on the next phone
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yesterday... i have just flash the tmo firmware on my unlock bootloader rogers version... and update ! my wife now want the white moto x ! pictures quality is just like the day and night... equal or better to the iphone 5... equal to the sg4 ...
... mmm i have say the tmobile firmware is excellent ... no brand no bloat ( retail en us on the about ) ...

Would you say the battery life is pretty similar for both phones? also how much thicker is the moto x?

mhsbrian said:
I'm actually having trouble making my picture look as bad off as you did and I am not able to reproduce it.
The color in my photos is spectacular, way better than my HTC One. I just took this of my salt water fish tank and it's way more than close... It's impeccably accurate.
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Don't think i'm dissing the phone, I like it more than the iphone5
I'm just waiting for the update.

People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nikon gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nikon for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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rman18 said:
People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nokia gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nokia for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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Agree 100 percent, iPhone photos always bleed colors and it's especially seen in very detailed things.
In terms of Nikon and canon, I shoot with a Canon and only would buy an older Nokia if I was to but one myself.
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Agree 100 percent, iPhone photos always bleed colors and it's especially seen in very detailed things.
In terms of Nokia and canon, I shoot with a Canon and only would buy an older Nokia if I was to but one myself.
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-_- Nokia? I think you mean Nikon.

mentose457 said:
-_- Nokia? I think you mean Nikon.
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SwiftKey filled it in for me lol
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rman18 said:
People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nokia gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nokia for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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Again I think you mean NIKON. I never experienced excessive saturation on any of Nikon DSLRs. I never used retard mode or full retard mode on them though. If you are using those modes on your Canon, well, congratulations.

mentose457 said:
Again I think you mean NIKON. I never experienced excessive saturation on any of Nikon DSLRs. I never used retard mode or full retard mode on them though. If you are using those modes on your Canon, well, congratulations.
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NIKON, as you say.. Makes great cameras I don't see what your point here is besides starting a war that's been waged since the dawn of personal photography.
On another note, my main camera is a pentax k-5, that doesn't mean it shoots way better photos. But it's weather resistant and takes the best night pictures of any camera I've ever owned.
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mhsbrian said:
NIKON, as you say.. Makes great cameras I don't see what your point here is besides starting a war that's been waged since the dawn of personal photography.
On another note, my main camera is a pentax k-5, that doesn't mean it shoots way better photos. But it's weather resistant and takes the best night pictures of any camera I've ever owned.
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Just pointing out that any camera that has manual control can be adjusted to take life like colors. IMO comparing auto modes on manual cameras is stupid.
My boss shoots a k-5, its an attractive camera. I like that the image stabilization is in the camera not the lens.

mentose457 said:
Just pointing out that any camera that has manual control can be adjusted to take life like colors. IMO comparing auto modes on manual cameras is stupid.
My boss shoots a k-5, its an attractive camera. I like that the image stabilization is in the camera not the lens.
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Yeah, it's a fantastic camera... The biggest turn on for me was the Iso noise is tremendously low even at very high Iso ranges.
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