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So one day my internet flat out stopped working. any app or browser when opening up says "no internet". i checked my network and it's defaulted to AT&T US HSDPA. then i switched it to AT&T US and now everything is working again. Do any of you guys know what the difference is?
Also note that i'm still getting 4G indicated by the "H" symbol in the status bar, at least that's my understanding
droidfoshizzle said:
So one day my internet flat out stopped working. any app or browser when opening up says "no internet". i checked my network and it's defaulted to AT&T US HSDPA. then i switched it to AT&T US and now everything is working again. Do any of you guys know what the difference is?
Also note that i'm still getting 4G indicated by the "H" symbol in the status bar, at least that's my understanding
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So I posted this somewhere else but because I'm too lazy to find it ..
The difference between AT&T US and AT&T US HSDPA is the APN's (access point names) they use to connect to the network.
AT&T US uses the WAP.CINGULAR apn while AT&T US HSDPA uses the PHONE apn.
If possible, the ATRIX always tries to connect to AT&T US HSDPA first as the PHONE apn has a higher speed cap than WAP.CINGULAR (hence the HSDPA), but occasionally the phone may switch to AT&T US. I've seen this happen once, but cannot tell you why my phone did it.
If you are on the "4G plan" for smartphones that AT&T offers, your plan *should* include access to both APNS. If you're on something else, however, you may not be able to use AT&T US. To be honest, as long as you can access AT&T US HSDPA, you're going to be fine.
So I just registered for the T-Mobile UK/Orange network sharing, and I'm all registered
I've enabled data roaming, however under "Network Operators" I have an option for "T-Mobile" and one for "T-Mobile Orange"
Which one should I choose?
Got a feeling i posted in the wrong section but anyway yeah, whats everyone else on TMo doing?
Just leaving it on automatically detect?
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Leave it on auto.
It'll default to T-Mobile and only use T-Mobile/Orange when you have no signal on T-Mobile itself.
When roaming onto T-Mobile/Orange, you'll only get Edge speeds maximum as opposed to the speeds you can get on T-Mobile's 3G network.
Some time later this year, they're supposed to be merging the 3G networks together as well but until then, it's 2/2.5G only.
Teampokerface
Keep it on auto.
good info, cheers
At first I thought this would be useful, but I find its more annoying than anything. Mine hogs orange, which is pain. Everytime I load up the internet its connected to orange, I do a network scan t-mobile appears and I have a full HSPDA signal and yet it favours oranges Edge or G with unuseable data speeds. every friggin time!!!!!!!
It should only switch to the T-Mobile/Orange network when you don't have coverage on T-Mobile's own network.
It might be an issue with how your handset is set up that it's defaulting to T-Mobile/Orange.
If need be, you can actually opt out of the signal share by texting STOP to 2121.
o right, ok thanks I may consider doing that then as there isnt many places I dip out of signal for long on t-mobile anyway. Having to constantly go through settings to change it back to t-mobile is very annoying.
I have had my SGSII for about 6 weeks now. Running it on the Telstra Next G network.
The problem is I am having a shocking internet experience.
My experience is based after coming from the HD2 running Android.
I have had the network freeze a few times. This is identified by the traffic arrows stay stuck. Airplane mode and back resets.
Basically cloud based apps like Market, Maps etc takes ages (60s-5mins) to start up. Kill and re-launch is quick).
Lots of network errors in Google Market.
Lots of Server unreachable errors in Emails (Pointing to exchange 2007)
I have updated the APN details to use Telstra.internet.
Great reception at home and work.
Calls and SMS's are fine.
Ideas? Waiting to see the Cyanogen rom. Wondering if my experience is due to Kies or another program getting involved with internet.
Any ideas please. My HD2 ran with the same Sim and worked like a rocket. No such issues.
Have you tried turning fast dormancy off? I'm on the Optus network, but I found with fast dormancy on I was getting unreliable internet (market would timeout a lot, doing installs/updates would fail straight away, etc). When I turned it off, I got better speeds and the connections were reliable.
Turn fast dormancy off:
1. In dialer - *#9900#
2. Select Disable fast dormancy
no such issues for me, using a vodafone branded handset. The only thing is that it will occassionally use 3telstra instead of telstra, in which case i need to manually select the network. a bit of a pain but not 2 bad
flagger said:
Have you tried turning fast dormancy off? I'm on the Optus network, but I found with fast dormancy on I was getting unreliable internet (market would timeout a lot, doing installs/updates would fail straight away, etc). When I turned it off, I got better speeds and the connections were reliable.
Turn fast dormancy off:
1. In dialer - *#9900#
2. Select Disable fast dormancy
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Thanks, will try. what does fast dormancy do?
Found this as well
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1713536
Looks like it speeds up connection ramp up and down.
Found this on
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1714413
****************** FIXED ******************
After contacting Samsung for an insane period of time (ended up on an international call to England i think... or now that i think about it could have just been some English guy in Aus lol) I have got an official explanation and confirmation that this issue is being looked into for KE8 (but it appears that KE8 has been launched in India already so it might be KE9).
*disclaimer*
I am no expert on mobile technology this in-depth however the (probably very) dumbed down version the Samsung guy told me was this;
*end disclaimer*
The problem stems from the fact that this phone has 3 forms of data connection, 3G, HSDPA, and HSPA+.
3G is what we have all had since 3/Telstra launch 10 years ago.
HSDPA is the 7.2mbps connections that we got after that.
HSPA+ is the full fledged 42mbps Next G stuff that only Telstra has.
The problem is, when you are just using the phone as "a phone" it idles on a 3G connection to save battery and when you initiate a data connection it flicks on to the higher connection protocols for better speed.
What is supposed to happen when you initiate the data connection is the phone checks for H+ connection, then for H and then finally 3G. For some reason if you arent with Telstra or are in an area without HSPA+ the phone gets hung up for too long attempting to initiate the H+ connection and refuses to drop back to H!
Also, even if it does give up on H+ it then has an issue with falling back to 3G. Resulting in the problem that if it cant get H+ or the tower is too flooded for a H connection you get absolutely nothing until you restart the data mode within the phone, renegotiates with the tower and BAM, you are back in business.
So... there are 5 fixes;
1. Wait for KE9 (or what ever firmware fixes the modem timings etc)
2. Get a Telstra sim and never leave an area that has H+
3. Turn off/on data mode whenever it happens
to which i told him they were stupid answers and completely unacceptable, but then he came out with this complete gem!
4. using service code *#301279# you can turn off HSPA+ completely forcing it to start the data connections on HSDPA
5. using *#301279# again you can just turn off HSPA+ and HSDPA meaning it instantly starts downloading the data on 3G without delay
Now yes, i thought... great... ive bought this $779 phone that has all the latest and greatest technology and I cant even use it! But, I did some testing!
First of all my normal sim is Vodafone so turning off HSPA+ is an obvious one for me, im never going to get it so why bother. So now that the phone only attempts to get a connection with HSDPA the need to turn off and on data connection was getting more and more rare but still having the problem (i have a feeling that is due to congestion?). So i bumped it down to 3G only and it works perfectly 100% of the time!
The point of these faster connection protocols is speed so i did testing.
Vodafone sim, 4 bars of signal in the middle of a shopping centre.
HPSA+ turned on = 4mbps down, 1mbps up
HSDPA turned on = 4mbps down, 1mbps up
3G only = 3.5mbps down, 1mbps up
did this over and over and over again and to be perfectly honest, im willing to lose 500kbps to make sure that data always works and if you are just doing general web browsing the time it takes to initiate the HSDPA connection wastes more time than the slightly slower speeds with 3G does.
Now obviously this only works fine in my situation, if you are with Telstra and going from HSPA+ down to 3G means going from 20mbps to 3... i would be pissed. But for the rest of the country you are talking about a loss of less than 1mbps so in real world situations with just small amounts of burst data its fine
TLDR; Try and go online and the 3G up arrow lights up but never actually downloads anything
Dial: *#301279# – Change HSPA revision – Release 5 HSPDA only
test, if still a problem
Dial: *#301279# – Change HSPA revision – Release R99 HSPA off
Your welcome, Peace out!
dusty_nz said:
Found this on
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1714413
****************** FIXED ******************
After contacting Samsung for an insane period of time (ended up on an international call to England i think... or now that i think about it could have just been some English guy in Aus lol) I have got an official explanation and confirmation that this issue is being looked into for KE8 (but it appears that KE8 has been launched in India already so it might be KE9).
*disclaimer*
I am no expert on mobile technology this in-depth however the (probably very) dumbed down version the Samsung guy told me was this;
*end disclaimer*
The problem stems from the fact that this phone has 3 forms of data connection, 3G, HSDPA, and HSPA+.
3G is what we have all had since 3/Telstra launch 10 years ago.
HSDPA is the 7.2mbps connections that we got after that.
HSPA+ is the full fledged 42mbps Next G stuff that only Telstra has.
The problem is, when you are just using the phone as "a phone" it idles on a 3G connection to save battery and when you initiate a data connection it flicks on to the higher connection protocols for better speed.
What is supposed to happen when you initiate the data connection is the phone checks for H+ connection, then for H and then finally 3G. For some reason if you arent with Telstra or are in an area without HSPA+ the phone gets hung up for too long attempting to initiate the H+ connection and refuses to drop back to H!
Also, even if it does give up on H+ it then has an issue with falling back to 3G. Resulting in the problem that if it cant get H+ or the tower is too flooded for a H connection you get absolutely nothing until you restart the data mode within the phone, renegotiates with the tower and BAM, you are back in business.
So... there are 5 fixes;
1. Wait for KE9 (or what ever firmware fixes the modem timings etc)
2. Get a Telstra sim and never leave an area that has H+
3. Turn off/on data mode whenever it happens
to which i told him they were stupid answers and completely unacceptable, but then he came out with this complete gem!
4. using service code *#301279# you can turn off HSPA+ completely forcing it to start the data connections on HSDPA
5. using *#301279# again you can just turn off HSPA+ and HSDPA meaning it instantly starts downloading the data on 3G without delay
Now yes, i thought... great... ive bought this $779 phone that has all the latest and greatest technology and I cant even use it! But, I did some testing!
First of all my normal sim is Vodafone so turning off HSPA+ is an obvious one for me, im never going to get it so why bother. So now that the phone only attempts to get a connection with HSDPA the need to turn off and on data connection was getting more and more rare but still having the problem (i have a feeling that is due to congestion?). So i bumped it down to 3G only and it works perfectly 100% of the time!
The point of these faster connection protocols is speed so i did testing.
Vodafone sim, 4 bars of signal in the middle of a shopping centre.
HPSA+ turned on = 4mbps down, 1mbps up
HSDPA turned on = 4mbps down, 1mbps up
3G only = 3.5mbps down, 1mbps up
did this over and over and over again and to be perfectly honest, im willing to lose 500kbps to make sure that data always works and if you are just doing general web browsing the time it takes to initiate the HSDPA connection wastes more time than the slightly slower speeds with 3G does.
Now obviously this only works fine in my situation, if you are with Telstra and going from HSPA+ down to 3G means going from 20mbps to 3... i would be pissed. But for the rest of the country you are talking about a loss of less than 1mbps so in real world situations with just small amounts of burst data its fine
TLDR; Try and go online and the 3G up arrow lights up but never actually downloads anything
Dial: *#301279# – Change HSPA revision – Release 5 HSPDA only
test, if still a problem
Dial: *#301279# – Change HSPA revision – Release R99 HSPA off
Your welcome, Peace out!
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THIS IS A GREAT POST (even if it is a repost from whirlpool)!
So many people appear to be having this issue (including myself on O2 UK) where the data connection is stalling.
That code (*#301279#) is a gem.
Whilst I am certainly not happy that Samsung have released this phone with such a massive issue (telling you to wait until KE9 for a fix is really quite terrible!), I would rather have this fix in the meantime whilst waiting for the new firmware.
I have just disabled H/H+ by selecting 'Release 99 HSPA off' and my stalling issues have disappeared. Furthermore, my down speed is still 1.5 Mbps and upload speed is also 1.5 Mbps. I am more than happy with that speed. As the quoted post states, if you want more than this speed, this solution will not be good for you.
Thanks for posting this dusty_nw, this has been bugging me for weeks.
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Thanks, will try. what does fast dormancy do?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14457802&postcount=8
If you have it enabled it will fall from H to 3G in 7 seconds when connection is idle, otherwise in 30 seconds. 7 seconds are to short it will lose time and battery renegotiating to H to often. Ex: when you read your rss feed it will renegtiate higher speed for every article you read, very annoying.
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this should be stickied, fixed my issues i had on optus the connection would continually change from H, and 3g and stall i just disabled all except 3g and now its perfect and very quick great post!
One thing i did on mine with Telstra is change the APN from Telstra.wap to Telstra.internet made the internet feel better. Also got much better upload and download speeds.
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May be a sillt question but.
I used the stock dialer and put *#301279# in
Menu popped up.
Used my finger to press "[2] Change HSPA Revision"
Pressed "[2] Release 5"
Goes to menu with two options of which none seem to do anything when pushed.
Went back to strat of menu and selected "[1] Release R99"
Same options and none can be clicked.
So am I not doing this right? Have the changes been made with no signs or message? If they have changed how do I get them back?
I expected the option to change to visually say its "off" or something.
Although no message came up it appears my phone is staying in 3g so maybe it worked... Although I am in low reception visiting the country side so maybe they don't have H or H+ anyway....
If I selected the first option does this restrict data to 3G?
Select 2nd option for H?
or Select 3rd option for H+ or unrestricted?
Is this how its works?
Edit: I have now found it works like I thought. The screen after I click either of the options then shows what is active and is the confirmation in a way. I jumped on the forum a little too quick......
Hi. I've book marked this because I get this issue thanks.
However it is worth noting that difference between 6 and 5 is only hsupa which is upload. So you wouldn't expect change in download speeds changing that going back to 3g of course affects both directions.
tjjensen23 said:
One thing i did on mine with Telstra is change the APN from Telstra.wap to Telstra.internet made the internet feel better. Also got much better upload and download speeds.
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WOW!!!! I just switched over.. mine use to max out at about 8Mbps, but my last test before the swap was 6.7Mbps... switched over and i tested 10Mbps and then 11mpbs!!
gunigugu said:
WOW!!!! I just switched over.. mine use to max out at about 8Mbps, but my last test before the swap was 6.7Mbps... switched over and i tested 10Mbps and then 11mpbs!!
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Telstra.iph works best for me in Perth.
I use a SGS2 (bought in Europe through Expansys) on Telstra since 2 months now, without any issue. I used several firmwares and kernels since then (not to test, just to update: KE7, KG2, KG3), all behaved the same way.
I tried two different APN (telstra.iph and telstra.wap), both gave me the same kind of speeds (quite good, except some times in the middle of the day).
I never found the datas to create the telstra.internet APN (they do not seem to be on ausdroid). Could someone point me to them?
As an aside, I've just finished testing the I9000TDUKF4 modem (yes it works!), if Telstra did actually have tweaks made as they claim, there was no discernible difference on Telstra's NextG using their 'T' version KF4 modem and a stock KG3.
Any changes if any must be on the hardware level or via software set tweaks, the modem really didn't make any difference at all to my download speeds.
For those wanting to replicate the experiment or muck around I've uploaded the Telstra 'T' variant KF4 modem here: http://www.multiupload.com/VKPFYPURD5
asgard said:
As an aside, I've just finished testing the I9000TDUKF4 modem (yes it works!), if Telstra did actually have tweaks made as they claim, there was no discernible difference on Telstra's NextG using their 'T' version KF4 modem and a stock KG3.
Any changes if any must be on the hardware level or via software set tweaks, the modem really didn't make any difference at all to my download speeds.
For those wanting to replicate the experiment or muck around I've uploaded the Telstra 'T' variant KF4 modem here: http://www.multiupload.com/VKPFYPURD5
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Thanks for this, I just stumbled upon this thread, messed about with a few settings and getting much better use out of NEXT G
Cheers
Does the N4 show the H+ symbol, somthing racking in my head says that it doesn't have a H+ and only shows H when it is infact on H+
The second question is to any one on EE in the UK, how are your speeds? In my house when am off wifi on my GS3 i could get speeds of aroun 6-9mbs which am pretty sure was on Tmobiles old network as since i put my micro sim into my N4 i haven't been able to anything over 3mb, now i was just wandering was this because i am not connecting to their H+ network since i have not seen the H+ symbol on my phone, or isit just one of those things that i haven't been able to hit the same data rates as before, as i am on H+ its just that stock android doesn't show the H+ symbo?
Thanks for any help anyone can give
mintvilla said:
Does the N4 show the H+ symbol, somthing racking in my head says that it doesn't have a H+ and only shows H when it is infact on H+
The second question is to any one on EE in the UK, how are your speeds? In my house when am off wifi on my GS3 i could get speeds of aroun 6-9mbs which am pretty sure was on Tmobiles old network as since i put my micro sim into my N4 i haven't been able to anything over 3mb, now i was just wandering was this because i am not connecting to their H+ network since i have not seen the H+ symbol on my phone, or isit just one of those things that i haven't been able to hit the same data rates as before, as i am on H+ its just that stock android doesn't show the H+ symbo?
Thanks for any help anyone can give
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Here on T-Mobile, I only get an H, not an H+. I'm pretty sure H is the highest thing it shows, and the H does indeed signify access to their fastest network (HSPA+ 42 Mbps).
I'm pretty sure the GS3 runs on T-Mobile's HSPA+ 21 Mbps network (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). For comparison, the Galaxy Nexus also runs on HSPA+ 21 Mbps (the N4 is HSPA+ 42 Mbps). At the same locations, where I used to get about 6-8 Mbps on my Galaxy Nexus, I get between 16 and 18 Mbps on my N4.
nyijedi said:
Here on T-Mobile, I only get an H, not an H+. I'm pretty sure H is the highest thing it shows, and the H does indeed signify access to their fastest network (HSPA+ 42 Mbps).
I'm pretty sure the GS3 runs on T-Mobile's HSPA+ 21 Mbps network (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). For comparison, the Galaxy Nexus also runs on HSPA+ 21 Mbps (the N4 is HSPA+ 42 Mbps). At the same locations, where I used to get about 6-8 Mbps on my Galaxy Nexus, I get between 16 and 18 Mbps on my N4.
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Thanks for your reply, what part of the world are you from?
mintvilla said:
Does the N4 show the H+ symbol, somthing racking in my head says that it doesn't have a H+ and only shows H when it is infact on H+
The second question is to any one on EE in the UK, how are your speeds? In my house when am off wifi on my GS3 i could get speeds of aroun 6-9mbs which am pretty sure was on Tmobiles old network as since i put my micro sim into my N4 i haven't been able to anything over 3mb, now i was just wandering was this because i am not connecting to their H+ network since i have not seen the H+ symbol on my phone, or isit just one of those things that i haven't been able to hit the same data rates as before, as i am on H+ its just that stock android doesn't show the H+ symbo?
Thanks for any help anyone can give
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I had a similar issue in that i was getting less than 1 Mbps on AT&T here in the US. I did a little searching and found several posts in these forums on creating an APN specific to AT&T for better speeds. It worked and now I am getting 7-10 Mbps pretty consistently now. Just do some digging on xda and not just in the N4 forums.
hope this helps
The APN settings I am using for ATT (if not mentioned, leave as-is):
Name: AT&T HSPA+
APN: phone
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
APN type: default,agps,supl,fota,dun
For MMS:
Name: Cingular MMS
APN: wap.cingular
Proxy: wap.cingular.com
Port: 80
MMSC: http://mms.cingular.com
MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com
MMS port: 80
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
APN type: mms
Your mileage may vary, here. I live in Central PA (Harrisburg) and I've never gotten good data speeds (not even with my Atrix 2 stock, which is rated at HSPA+ 21Mbps).
Edit - These settings get my phone to recognize HSPA+: 15, but data speeds are still poop in this area. I'm gonna switch to T-Mobile.
mintvilla said:
Thanks for your reply, what part of the world are you from?
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No problem. I'm on Long Island, NY (if you see that in my profile now, you're not going crazy - I just realized it wasn't included and added it )
Check in About phone > Status > Mobile network type
There it shows what type of network you are currently connected to.
The Nexus 4 won't show H+ in the notification bar. This is a CM feature. You'll see just an H or 3G
Thanks guys for all that took time to post.
I did think that stock android didnt show H+, its nice that its now confirmed.
I looked at my APN settings and they were set to orange, so i thought id check the internet to see if there any just for EE (not the 4g ones) (if anyone is interested you just have to change them to EE Internet and everywhere for the apn settings.
I then checked where i am at work and i was on HSPA 10 - then i saw it on HSPA+15 so am pretty sure everything is as it should be, and set up correctly, i will check when i get home as i know i can get speeds of 6-9mbs in my house, but i did just see 5.5mbs at work (where as early it just wasnt going above 3) so am pretty happy now.
Thanks guys
mintvilla said:
Thanks guys for all that took time to post.
I did think that stock android didnt show H+, its nice that its now confirmed.
I looked at my APN settings and they were set to orange, so i thought id check the internet to see if there any just for EE (not the 4g ones) (if anyone is interested you just have to change them to EE Internet and everywhere for the apn settings.
I then checked where i am at work and i was on HSPA 10 - then i saw it on HSPA+15 so am pretty sure everything is as it should be, and set up correctly, i will check when i get home as i know i can get speeds of 6-9mbs in my house, but i did just see 5.5mbs at work (where as early it just wasnt going above 3) so am pretty happy now.
Thanks guys
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Sounds like you should be good, then. Post again if you do any more speed tests.
Can anybody post the T-Mobile APN settings for me as some if my settings like port...is blank
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My Nexus 4 also just shows an H for data . But it switches back and forth kind of often saying H and then 3g is this normal?
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Verizon is at it again. When using a T-Mobile SIM in my XT1060 with 4.4.2, I'm stuck on EDGE where I'd previously get HSPA+. The APN setup has been fixed, so it no longer disappears, but it doesn't really matter if you're stuck on 2G.
4.2.2
Worked perfectly with HSPA+ and LTE
4.4
Broke APN setup
Gimped HSPA+ speeds
4.4.2
Fixed APN setup
EDGE only data
EDIT: EDGE is forced in Global mode; select LTE/GSM/UMTS and UMTS only to restore HSPA+; wait for the modem to cycle and allow the SIM to register on the network
I still have issues with HSPA+ speeds on my phone. It could be a localized issue, but I'll have to do further testing.
So, it's officially useless.
All have voice/SMS, though some had issues with voice on T-Mo's LTE.
You are the second person to report this. Could you try a factory wipe or something? I have no idea why it would be EDGE only.
I am curious what would have changed. I did compare the built in APN list between 4.4 and 4.4.2 and noticed the built in APN for T-Mobile US changed from fast.t-mobile.com on 4.4 to epc.t-mobile.com in 4.4.2 which is an older APN. Have you tried manually adding back the fast.t-mobile.com APN?
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I am curious what would have changed. I did compare the built in APN list between 4.4 and 4.4.2 and noticed the built in APN for T-Mobile US changed from fast.t-mobile.com on 4.4 to epc.t-mobile.com in 4.4.2 which is an older APN. Have you tried manually adding back the fast.t-mobile.com APN?
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Only the unlocked phones automatically add APNs. With the Verizon XT1060, I have to manually enter the APNs, and I only use fast.t-mobile.com.
On top of the EDGE only limitation, it occasionally times out completely, so that there's no throughput up or down through the modem. It seems Verizon has completely gimped data on other carriers. I disabled the Verizon APN and APN Permissions apps, but there's something deeper that's causing this. It could be in the kernel, which wouldn't be a good thing at all.
The kicker though is (excerpt from FCC's C Block Rules):
(e) Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of such handsets on other providers' networks.
The key words are disable features and prohibit. Technically, they aren't prohibiting access of the handset on T-Mobile's network, but they are limiting it in a way.
I got H+ with 4.4.2 on my VZW Dev X. I had to edit the APN Type setting to be default,mms,supl. The rest of the settings matched my T-Mobile Galaxy S4 LTE's APN settings. Under mobile network settings, I also have selected LTE/GSM/UMTS.
I am at the office where it is serviced by an internal antenna system, so I don't have T-Mobile LTE, and I don't think its setup for 1900Mhz UMTS, but there is a refarmed T-Mobile antenna and LTE outside.
Ok, now it switched to just bars. And back to Edge. Not sure if this is due to the internal antenna system or the update.
Voice calls (in/out) work, SMS send/receive works, MMS send/receive works, web browser works, Hangouts works.
KidJoe said:
I got H+ with 4.4.2 on my VZW Dev X. I had to edit the APN Type setting to be default,mms,supl. The rest of the settings matched my T-Mobile Galaxy S4 LTE's APN settings. Under mobile network settings, I also have selected LTE/GSM/UMTS.
I am at the office where it is serviced by an internal antenna system, so I don't have T-Mobile LTE, and I don't think its setup for 1900Mhz UMTS, but there is a refarmed T-Mobile antenna and LTE outside.
Ok, now it switched to just bars. And back to Edge. Not sure if this is due to the internal antenna system or the update.
Voice calls (in/out) work, SMS send/receive works, MMS send/receive works, web browser works, Hangouts works.
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Keep us posted on how it progresses throughout the day.
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Keep us posted on how it progresses throughout the day.
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I wont be able to do anything until at least tonight when I get home.
KidJoe said:
I got H+ with 4.4.2 on my VZW Dev X. I had to edit the APN Type setting to be default,mms,supl. The rest of the settings matched my T-Mobile Galaxy S4 LTE's APN settings. Under mobile network settings, I also have selected LTE/GSM/UMTS.
I am at the office where it is serviced by an internal antenna system, so I don't have T-Mobile LTE, and I don't think its setup for 1900Mhz UMTS, but there is a refarmed T-Mobile antenna and LTE outside.
Ok, now it switched to just bars. And back to Edge. Not sure if this is due to the internal antenna system or the update.
Voice calls (in/out) work, SMS send/receive works, MMS send/receive works, web browser works, Hangouts works.
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This makes sense as the change in the default APN was the only obvious change I saw between 4.4 and 4.4.2. It's at least encouraging that you got HSPA+ to work by changing the APN. Have the others with problems tried changing or adding a new APN to match the one from the previous build? For reference here is the old and new APN information copied directly from the APN list on the Verizon Moto X.
XT1060 with 4.4 built in T-Mobile APN:
<apn auth="NONE" mmsc="http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc" password="none" server="*" user="none" apn="fast.t-mobile.com" mnc="260" mcc="310" carrier="T-Mobile US" protocol="IPV4V6" mtusize="1440"/>
XT1060 with 4.4.2 built in T-Mobile APN:
<apn auth="NONE" mmsc="http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc" password="none" server="*" user="none" apn="epc.tmobile.com" mnc="260" mcc="310" carrier="T-Mobile US" preloaded="true" type="default,mms,supl,hipri,fota" protocol="IP" mtusize="1440"/>
Mine is still on EDGE, and doesn't even bother going to HSPA+ even though it's in the area. Even without the APN setup, it would automatically connect to HSPA+. The speeds just wouldn't be right until you put in the APN settings.
Speedtest reported 0.01Mbps down and 0.02Mbps up, so it's definitely 2G and not a reporting bug.
Jason.DROID said:
Mine is still on EDGE, and doesn't even bother going to HSPA+ even though it's in the area. Even without the APN setup, it would automatically connect to HSPA+. The speeds just wouldn't be right until you put in the APN settings.
Speedtest reported 0.01Mbps down and 0.02Mbps up, so it's definitely 2G and not a reporting bug.
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What do you mean without the APN setup? Just confused as to whether you are describing before on 4.4 and now on 4.4.2. I think everyone is in agreement that the APN settings for T-Mobile on 4.4.2 are wrong which is definitely part if not all of the problem since it's the most obvious change from 4.4. Have you tried adding a new APN using the settings used in the 4.4 build and selecting that as the APN to use?
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What do you mean without the APN setup? Just confused as to whether you are describing before on 4.4 and now on 4.4.2. I think everyone is in agreement that the APN settings for T-Mobile on 4.4.2 are wrong which is definitely part if not all of the problem since it's the most obvious change from 4.4. Have you tried adding a new APN using the settings used in the 4.4 build and selecting that as the APN to use?
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As I told you before, the Verizon Moto X DOES NOT automatically add APNs. It never did on 4.2.2, 4.4, or 4.4.2. Only VZWINTERNET is ever automatically added.
I also said that I'm using fast.t-mobile.com.
It's not the APN setup. HSPA+ is disabled.
Jason.DROID said:
As I told you before, the Verizon Moto X DOES NOT automatically add APNs. It never did on 4.2.2, 4.4, or 4.4.2. Only VZWINTERNET is ever automatically added.
I also said that I'm using fast.t-mobile.com.
It's not the APN setup. HSPA+ is disabled.
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I know what you said but you are referring to what shows on the APN list in Mobile Settings. Just because an APN doesn't show in that list doesn't mean it isn't preloaded into the phone but set to not be viewable. There is a huge list of APN's preloaded onto the Moto X for just about every major GSM carrier in the world and these are used when a SIM used when on that carrier (file pulled directly from my Moto X is attached in the zip file to this post). If the APN preloaded is wrong it will cause problems with data working. My question on you using the APN from 4.4 wasn't just the APN address of fast.t-mobile.com but also the remaining settings which matter as well such as protocol and type. I am just trying to help from my experience dealing with these sorts of issues and the fact that another user got HSPA+ to work earlier today is what made me think there might be more to it.
Anyway I should have access to a friends AT&T Nano SIM in the next day or two and since it uses the same band of HSPA+ as T-Mobile does on the Moto X I can check on that too.
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I know what you said but you are referring to what shows on the APN list in Mobile Settings. Just because an APN doesn't show in that list doesn't mean it isn't preloaded into the phone but set to not be viewable. There is a huge list of APN's preloaded onto the Moto X for just about every major GSM carrier in the world and these are used when a SIM used when on that carrier (file pulled directly from my Moto X is attached in the zip file to this post). If the APN preloaded is wrong it will cause problems with data working. My question on you using the APN from 4.4 wasn't just the APN address of fast.t-mobile.com but also the remaining settings which matter as well such as protocol and type. I am just trying to help from my experience dealing with these sorts of issues and the fact that another user got HSPA+ to work earlier today is what made me think there might be more to it.
Anyway I should have access to a friends AT&T Nano SIM in the next day or two and since it uses the same band of HSPA+ as T-Mobile does on the Moto X I can check on that too.
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I know they're included in the build, but I've ALWAYS had to manually add the APN to get things working properly; the included APNs are usually for carrier unlocked retail phones like the XT1053. In 4.4, manually added APNs would usually disappear, but I found a workaround to make it stay. Still, HSPA+ was artificially limited (0.05-0.20Mbps down, 1.0Mbps up) just like when the APN isn't setup. Now on 4.4.2, it will only connect to EDGE, regardless.
Looking further, even when using fast.t-mobile.com, the phone forces epc.tmobile.com and EDGE only. I'm not rooted, so there's nothing I can do about it.
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I know they're included in the build, but I've ALWAYS had to manually add the APN to get things working properly; the included APNs are usually for carrier unlocked retail phones like the XT1053. In 4.4, manually added APNs would usually disappear, but I found a workaround to make it stay. Still, HSPA+ was artificially limited (0.05-0.20Mbps down, 1.0Mbps up) just like when the APN isn't setup. Now on 4.4.2, it will only connect to EDGE, regardless.
Looking further, even when using fast.t-mobile.com, the phone forces epc.tmobile.com and EDGE only. I'm not rooted, so there's nothing I can do about it.
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Okay that is bizarre. I just remembered one of my coworkers had a iphone 5s on t-mobile and just borrowed her SIM. I am also on a stock, non-rooted Verizon Moto X running 4.4.2 and it connected to HSPA+ immediately. I didn't even change the APN at all. I even ran a speed test and got 4.33MB down and 1.84MB up. Here is a screen shot of the status attached. Not sure why it worked for me and not for you.
Could be time for an FDR, but before that, I'm gonna try a different area of service.
I have another T-Mobile SIM that I can register as well if all else fails.
Jason.DROID said:
Could be time for an FDR, but before that, I'm gonna try a different area of service.
I have another T-Mobile SIM that I can register as well if all else fails.
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Yeah I wish I could tell you that I did something special to get HSPA+ to work, I literally did nothing other then take out my Verizon one and put in the T-Mobile one, didn't even do a restart or change it off of Global (although I did shortly after switch it to LTE/GSM/UMTS to test that as well). The weird thing is it didn't connect to LTE at all when I know on 4.4 I could get it to connect it just wouldn't let you make calls. To be fair I didn't try much to try and get LTE to work aside from adding a new APN with the so called corrected T-Mobile LTE APN settings as my coworker wanted her SIM back. Maybe others can play around with that more.
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Yeah I wish I could tell you that I did something special to get HSPA+ to work, I literally did nothing other then take out my Verizon one and put in the T-Mobile one, didn't even do a restart or change it off of Global (although I did shortly after switch it to LTE/GSM/UMTS to test that as well). The weird thing is it didn't connect to LTE at all when I know on 4.4 I could get it to connect it just wouldn't let you make calls. To be fair I didn't try much to try and get LTE to work aside from adding a new APN with the so called corrected T-Mobile LTE APN settings as my coworker wanted her SIM back. Maybe others can play around with that more.
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I even went into fastboot and erased the modemst1 and modemst2 again to have it reregister everything. Still nothing. Unless T-Mobile removed HSPA+ from the area around my home recently, I'd say it's the phone.
I'll keep playing with it. I'd really like the 4.4.2 flash files though just to be sure something didn't happen in the OTA update.
Jason.DROID said:
I even went into fastboot and erased the modemst1 and modemst2 again to have it reregister everything. Still nothing. Unless T-Mobile removed HSPA+ from the area around my home recently, I'd say it's the phone.
I'll keep playing with it. I'd really like the 4.4.2 flash files though just to be sure something didn't happen in the OTA update.
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In Mobile Network settings what do you have selected under Select Network (the last option)? Do you have it on Automatic or UMTS only? Also try downloading this application https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tapbase.LTEswitcher
Then once you have it try setting the preferred network to WCDMA only or GSM Auto and see if that helps as well.
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In Mobile Network settings what do you have selected under Select Network (the last option)? Do you have it on Automatic or UMTS only? Also try downloading this application https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tapbase.LTEswitcher
Then once you have it try setting the preferred network to WCDMA only or GSM Auto and see if that helps as well.
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Already tried all of that. It only connects to EDGE. I used the hidden phone settings menu to access the more advanced settings, and still no dice.
KidJoe said:
I got H+ with 4.4.2 on my VZW Dev X. I had to edit the APN Type setting to be default,mms,supl. The rest of the settings matched my T-Mobile Galaxy S4 LTE's APN settings. Under mobile network settings, I also have selected LTE/GSM/UMTS.
I am at the office where it is serviced by an internal antenna system, so I don't have T-Mobile LTE, and I don't think its setup for 1900Mhz UMTS, but there is a refarmed T-Mobile antenna and LTE outside.
Ok, now it switched to just bars. And back to Edge. Not sure if this is due to the internal antenna system or the update.
Voice calls (in/out) work, SMS send/receive works, MMS send/receive works, web browser works, Hangouts works.
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Just as a follow up.. At home, in an area where T-Mobile has HSPA on 1900mhz, I do get H+ and even LTE (band 4) (LTE speed test screen shot -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/X-STUFF/2014-02-27 01.47.07.png ).
When On LTE, the "bug" of making a call drops signal/service still happens.
When I keep it on UMTS and have an H+ connection, it works fine. And the connection is stable at home.
I'm attaching some shots.
And I should mention, the SIM I'm using is a T-Mobile Nano SIM that I use with an adapter in my T-Mobile Galaxy S3. I had it switched to Nano so I could also put it in my iPhone if/when needed (its a work thing).