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i'm really consedoring buying the legend , just wondering since the CPU is 600MHz , will it be good with intensive 3D gaming like Asphalt 5 , Raging Thunder and Deliverace ?
or should i get the Samsung Wave instead ? cause i won't buy a phone that don't game well
Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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then why do they say that the legend is only a slight upgrade from the hero in terms of tech?
it runs 3d games smooth, that is the 3d games out now and support tilt control, and that are not a lot of games.
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
simply said, if you want to go for a mobile that supports hardcore 3d games and thatw really important to you in the long term, then get the desire or nexus or iphone. Sure the Legend support and runs the current gen of games perfect. There will come a time in next couple of month when increasing spec demand on a mobile will get the Legend a step back.
But who knows, the Hero getting an upgrade to 2.1 and it performs 100% better then on 1.6 android.
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hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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The MSM7200 SoC in the Hero does have a GPU based on ATI Imageon technology. It's not a particularly capable unit, but it is there.
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Dave
jakontil said:
hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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Take a look here: qualcomm.com/news/releases/2009/02/12/qualcomm-targets-sub-150-smartphones-versatile-high-performance-chipset-sup
The new MSM7227 chipset features a 600 MHz applications processor with a floating point unit, 320 MHz application DSP, 400 MHz modem processor, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics
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Apparently it supports OpenGL 2.0 whereas the Hero's dedicated GPU only suppors OpenGL 1.0. So it should perform better, but so far there are hardly any Android apps that make use of a dedicated GPU so it's hard to actually say how big the difference is.
Jarune said:
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
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I tried these out on my Legend.
Asphalt does work and so does tilt control. You have to enable accelerometer in the game options. The game seemed incredibly fast though. But maybe that's how it's supposed to play.
Raging Thunder. No problems there. Pretty fun too.
And as you said, google earth doesn't even start up
is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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I suppose it is 3....
3D Gaming Tests
I have tested some 3d games from the market place. Some of them only in a lite version, but the graphics should be the same... ^^
There is a rating system om smoothness from 1-5
Speedx 3D
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-beepstreet-speedx-wFnn.aspx
Its product specification tells the truth. It delivers stunning 3D accelerometer controlled tunnel experience without any lags.
5
Armageddon Squadron
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-asquadron-pmqD.aspx
By stopping all tasks with my advanced task manager it runs quiet well. But not as smooth as Speedx 3D. Looks like 20 FPS. Anyway its playable and its still fun...
4
Raging Thunder 2 Lite
http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.nwtE-tEiE.u.aspx
Wow! Amazing 3d graphics! But you reckognize that HTC maybe doesn´t use the full CPU capacity of the legend as it could use. Starting a Race it lags and after some seconds it becomes much smoother, but still a bit laggy. 15-20 FPS therefore you can play it,
3.5
Speed Forge 3D Demo
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mag3dlite-speedforgedemo-qCmp.aspx
Perfect! Super smooth!
5
Magnetic Sports Soccer
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-revo-proto-tiqp.aspx
Runs very smooth with an occasional appearance of lags... Very seldom
4.5
ToonWarz - LITE
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-toonwarzlite-pqtB.aspx
Oh my godness! At first I thougt hey it runs not bad. But then the first enemies appeared and the FPS crashed totally! Unplayable³!
1
Kwaak3 - Quake 3 Arena for Android
http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/
Very nice! After change the lightning from "Lightning maps" to "vertex" and the texture quality to 50% it runs very smooth with only one enemy and quiet okay with 3 enemies...
4.5
For shortness of this post i will only name the game and put a number behind it.
Homerun battle 3D demo- 5
Wave Blazer - 4
Quake 2&1 - 2
Mystique Chapter 1 - 5
My Paper - 5
Lybyrinth - 5
Dice 3D - 5
Friday Escape Lite - 3.5
Armadillo Roll Demo - 5
Vacuum - 5
Raging Thunder 1 - 5
NO ASPHALT 5!!!!!!!!
Upcoming tests after putting money aside
Exzeus Arcade - unfortunately no lite version out there
Deliverace - Omg! trailers look amazing! Hopefully it will be quiet smooth (not available at the moment)
Light Racer 3d - But maybe you can test these games??
Super G Stunt
SpaceTracks
Welcome to Hell 3D (not available at the moment)
Crusade of Destiny (not available at the moment)
AVERAGE RATING: 4,27777
After the devs have some clues to upgrade legends performance it could be nearly 5.
i know this thread is pretty old but i would like to add Dungeon Hunter.
the only game from gameloft that seems to work nearly perfect on the legend (no display resolution problems).
so, without overclocking version 3.11 runs pretty well. some buttons are deformed thats all.
the game doesn´t run perfect, but its playable.
version 3.5.7 (HD) works, too. but the graphics are deformed and youll get errors instead of videos.
Version 3.1.1 = 4.7/5
Version 3.5.7 = 4.2/5
so from all 3d gameloft games just dungen hunter will work well ?
i havent tested all games sofar, i m not that interessted in racing games or football managers and stuff.
but from the games ive tested (assassins creed, sandstorm, nova, hero of sparta and some other i forgot) only dungeon hunter works with the right resolution, nova was basicly playable, too (for example). but playing wouldnt be fun.
Just an aside 'cos I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, the MSM7227 has the same Adreno 200 GPU that is used in the 1GHz Snapdragon phones like the Desire. Not sure about the clock speed, but I'd imagine it bears at least some relation to the main CPU clock.
Remember though that the Legend has a lot less screen to fill up so the lower fillrate is not so much of an issue, if at all. In fact, when you look at the Neocore benchmarks, the Legend holds up pretty well.
This link* shows Neocore benchmark scores for various devices and although the Legend is not tested, the MyTouch Slide has the same MSM7227 so results are comparable.
A lot of the 3D games for Android look like fairly lazy ports of older iPhone apps (Gameloft, I'm looking at you!) and may not be particularly suited to one Android GPU or another. That's Android fragmentation and an immature market though, eh?
Having said that, if 3D performance is important then something like Galaxy S would surely be the choice handset. The 1+GHz high-resolution devices will be the target devices for any serious game development so you may find that 320x480 and lower handsets are ignored to a great extent. Whether a burgeoning budget market keeps these lower-end device on developers' minds remains to be seen.
Edit to add: The only 3D game I have and play regularly is Carrom 3D (great pool/snooker game) and this is smooth enough even with all the detail turned up. A lot of other apps 'running' in the background will cause occasional lag, but then this is the price we pay for a multi-tasking environment!
* Search for "high end android gpu showdown" to get link at Android&Me (can't link as I'm a new account)
The only game (that I tried) that lags on my legend is caligo chaser
FIFA10 lags too.
the legend isnt a real lower-end device (the wildfire is xD).
if google would optimize android and htc would optimize sense the cpu and gpu would have much more power to for example to play games more fluedly.
if coders would even try to optimize theyr games for legend (and it would be very easy for gameloft for example, htc legend is comparable to the iphone 3gs and most of there games are coded for exactly that device), they would work just perfect.
the lower cpu rate and the lack of ram isnt the real problem: compare the hardware of the phones to a pc 10 years ago, the snapdragon should reach better performance than an pentium 3/1ghz cause of the architectur, the gpu is far away from the power of a geforce 2mx, but still pretty good.
based on the better architecture (n45; arm) the 600mhz msm7227 should be comparable to a 800mhz pentium 3.
this hardware has to work with a smaller screen with a fixed resolution. they could reach so much better performance, graphics etc. they are just too lazy.
(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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Yeah, but MHz to MHz rarely mean much, even in the same architecture. For example: The new Qualcomm CPU's, found in the Desire-Z (T-Mobile G2, 800MHz) outperform the 1GHz (1000MHz) CPU found in the Dersire by a long way (these are both ARM). If you look at AMD CPUs vs Intel CPUs then AMD almost always outperform Intel, even on a lower clock-speed. (Both the x86-64 architecture). MHz to MHz only has a real, measurable, bearing when applied to 2 of the same CPUs at to different clock speeds (overclocking)
Having said all that, I do agree with your post. The Legend is capable of so much more, if only people would take the time to code properly. Part of the problem is that people rely on the Dalvik VM (fairly phone-independent), so they rarely have to code on a "per-phone-model" basis. With the iPhone, as it's only ever 1 set of hardware, programmers can easily optimise it for the iPhone. It's much harder to optimise for Android, as it exists on so many phones, each with different specs. But that's the price you pay for choice...
Suprisingly the Legends GPU outperforms the Desire in 3D benchmarks. The CPU is certainly weaker in the Legend, but the comparison below is not quite far because the Legend is still on 2.1 and the desire benchmark was 2.2
Hopefully soon they can be compared like for like...
hxxp://wxw.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=HTC%20Legend&D2=HTC%20Desire%20(Bravo)&D3=Apple%20iPhone%204
THis is a good read:
hxxp://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm7x27-msm7227-msm7627-and-msm7x25-msm7225-msm7625-processors-how-good-are-they/
Hello!
I am looking for a new phone and would like to know which of the present android devices has full OpenGLES 2.0 support and the most powerful GPU for best game experience?
Thanks a lot!
So far from what I heard, the Samsung Galaxy S has the most powerful GPU. It is said to be 3 times faster than the GPU on the iPhone.
TI OMAP3 has the PowerVR GPU that's faster than in the Snapdragon processors. That's as far as I know.
Maybe an overclocked Droid/Milestone?
Zune HD has a nVidia Tegra last year, and this is about to come out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCTWkJRxm5E&feature=player_embedded
And I bet they are thinking up some cool new phones that not only have Tegra2 and can play a version of Unreal Tournament, but finally add some controls to make it usable. There are bigger devices (tablets) that have Tegra and Android that are out ? or will be out before any phone. Just check engadget.
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So far from what I heard, the Samsung Galaxy S has the most powerful GPU. It is said to be 3 times faster than the GPU on the iPhone.
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where did u reed this m8?
my 2c milestone/droid for best gaming experience.
1 of the most powerfull gpu's but 1up's everyone else with hardware keyboard
so far have been able to play any game no issues, including Gangstar, and Sandstorm (basically GTA3 and Call of duty knock offs) no overclock
for Nova (Halo knock off) i'd say overclock to 800mhz just to smooth it out.
Also Marvel vs capcom and all the snes games are killer on it -> perfect emulation no need to OC
out of the box their are some mandatory downloads (like launcher pro) to smooth it out, but once thats handled it can easily keep up if not surpass the X10, N1, & Desire. and pass all of them in gaming - rumor has it droid 2 is coming out soon so might want to wait for that.
1 last thing, I also heard Galaxy S had the best benchmarks of them all and the best graphics chip (can't remember from where) but again... no keyboard
PS milestone (GSM droid) can be OC'd without needing to reboot or anything, just up it before you start playing Nova
I was wondering if it wil be possible to run PSP games on this device.
I should be getting it next week. The other games sound great but I'm really looking into playing MHP3rd (great game if you don't know it)
I understand there is no current way to play PSP games but, is anyone working on it?
Thanks in advance!
If you bought this phone thinking of playing PSP games, you better return it. There is no way that this hardware, or the next couple of generations, can emulate PSP.
From N64 below though... It's fair game
What he said. If your talking about emulating psp on the xperia play then thats impossible, even on the most powerful smartphones it would be impossible. (well maybe not impossible but definitely very very very slow, just look at the DS emulator)
A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?
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A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?
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The psp is so powerful that if I were to post it's specs, there is a 3.14% chance this entire site can implode.
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You're talking about a dual core device with 333 mhz which takes a nice 2.5 GHz with 4 GB Ram to run its most well known emulator properly. It's true that Java programs like Jpcsp need more oomph than programs in other languages like C, but emulating PSP is a daunting task, unfeasible by today's state of the art mobile hardware.
Contrast the single core, 200 mhz processor in Sega's console. its emulators run with less specs than PSP emulators, and it is very plausible that the Xplay won't boot but the simplest of games, not unlike today when slower phones can only run Mario 64 without sound.
Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Just one thing about the title of the thread...
"PSP games on the Xperia Play." ----> Statement.
"PSP games on the Xperia Play?" ----> Question.
If you are gonna ask something, use a question, ok? Thanks.
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I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Its a port of the pc emulator NullDC which only uses one core, Its very unlikely that the emulator uses both cores. (no emulators use both yet).
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PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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The XPlay is FAR more powerful than the PSP, the PSP had 64mb ram and a 333 mhz processor. So while that may not be enough of an exponential increase to do an emulator, ports would be very possible.
Just have to wait for the Suite to come out to see whats available. Too bad it feels like that won't happen anytime soon.
I'd say they are probably timing the launch of the PS Suite to coincide with the launch of the Vita. Just a hunch I have.
Ignorance is... bliss.
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PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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You have alot to learn my friend
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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I think it will and power of our hardware with Android yesterday after almost 2 years, I turned on again the psp fat to give to my son and curiosity I put the N64 emulator super mario64 and are appalled by slow and he was without sound emulation, with which even if it was activated was unplayable ....... I mean that today's technology and the very top and specifically to emulate the PSP on and Android difficult but not impossible;-)
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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Thats fair enough but the wii has a much much much more powerfull gpu than the play meaning it only needs a percentage of the memory/processing power to display much more complex graphics. Plus consoles have dedicated graphics, the play dosent.
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I see a lot of people mentioning clock speed in emulation arguments. What you have to remember is that clock speed is only relevant when your comparing two CPU of similar architecture. A dual core Pentium IIII clocked at 3.9 Ghz is not even AS fast as a core 2 duo clocked at say 3.0. A better architecture means better performance, and while gaming consoles don't always have a high clock speed, they usually have tightly integrated designs with efficient architectures.
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I assume that the S4 Pro is MUCH faster than anything used in the xbox and ps2. I assume its faster than the 360 and ps3. Is that really the case though? The games look like crap on the current gen consoles and many mobile games are catching up. From a purely specs perspective is the Adreno 320/S4 Pro superior?
I would seriously doubt that but i don't know enough to say that for sure. Sure mobile CPUs are pretty good but they are limited by their thermal envelopes.
Compared to the PS3? NO. the cell processor is very advanced even if it's partly locked down. (there are 2-3 cells that aren't used)
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Very advanced for 7 years ago. This is 2013 and the S4 Pro has more cores/ram/gpu cores. The PS3 games cant even run in 720p. Most games are upscaled from 960x540.
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Very advanced for 7 years ago. This is 2013 and the S4 Pro has more cores/ram/gpu cores. The PS3 games cant even run in 720p. Most games are upscaled from 960x540.
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Can't be more wrong. It hasn't got more CPU and GPU cores. It has more RAM but the PS3 doesn't have to run Android. Also, very few PS3 games run at qHD res. One game is Black Ops, but it does this because it runs 60 FPS. Most games nowadays render at 720p or near it.
Also, I have yet to see a mobile game that comes even close to PS3 games nowadays. Maybe some mobile games look better than some PS3 release titles, but that's it.
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Yes it does. The PS3 cell processor is single core. The 360 CPU is tri core. And the PS3 runs a form of Linux.
Does it really even matter? If you bought your phone as an alternative to a gaming console or handheld gaming device you bought it for the wrong reason.
Also if you want to compare specs, compare a PS3 or XBox 360 to a phone that came out 7 years ago.
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Yes it does. The PS3 cell processor is single core. The 360 CPU is tri core. And the PS3 runs a form of Linux.
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There is a single PPE and 8 SPE-s. One SPE is used by the OS and one is locked.
Yes, it does run a form of Linux, but what I originally meant was that its footprint is very small, it only consumes 20-30 MB of RAM compared to Android which needs several hundred MB-s and also CPU power to run background services.
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Yes it does. The PS3 cell processor is single core. The 360 CPU is tri core. And the PS3 runs a form of Linux.
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Umm i thought the Cell processor was a "7" core device at 3.2Ghz to boot. Not that clock speed is everything but it puts out 218 G-FLOPS while the 550Mhz GPU (RSX) puts oput 1.8 T-Flops. The Adreno 225 does 12.8 G-FLOPS.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/11
According to the that page, the iPhone 5 GPU is similar to the Adreno 320 and that does 19.2 G-FLOPS. WAAAAY less than the 1.8 (or read 1800 ) T-FLOPS of the RSX.
VRAM data rates are ~20GB/s vs 8GB/s
So yeah, guess we can say that's done for.
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Umm i thought the Cell processor was a "7" core device at 3.2Ghz to boot. Not that clock speed is everything but it puts out 218 G-FLOPS while the 550Mhz GPU (RSX) puts oput 1.8 T-Flops. The Adreno 225 does 12.8 G-FLOPS.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/11
According to the that page, the iPhone 5 GPU is similar to the Adreno 320 and that does 19.2 G-FLOPS. WAAAAY less than the 1.8 (or read 1800 ) T-FLOPS of the RSX.
VRAM data rates are ~20GB/s vs 8GB/s
So yeah, guess we can say that's done for.
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Exactly all this.
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Umm i thought the Cell processor was a "7" core device at 3.2Ghz to boot. Not that clock speed is everything but it puts out 218 G-FLOPS while the 550Mhz GPU (RSX) puts oput 1.8 T-Flops. The Adreno 225 does 12.8 G-FLOPS.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/11
According to the that page, the iPhone 5 GPU is similar to the Adreno 320 and that does 19.2 G-FLOPS. WAAAAY less than the 1.8 (or read 1800 ) T-FLOPS of the RSX.
VRAM data rates are ~20GB/s vs 8GB/s
So yeah, guess we can say that's done for.
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So if thats the case then mobile technology isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to desktop PC's. My PC DESTROYS a PS3 without even thinking twice. Its like an ant vs my boot.
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So if thats the case then mobile technology isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to desktop PC's. My PC DESTROYS a PS3 without even thinking twice. Its like an ant vs my boot.
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Correct
The N4 is more powerful than a PS2/Xbox though right? My old SGS4G could play PS1 games without flinching.
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The N4 is more powerful than a PS2/Xbox though right? My old SGS4G could play PS1 games without flinching.
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Pretty sure it's more powerful than either the PS2 or Xbox, but there's no way it would ever emulate them if that's what you're getting at there
Not to mention, the Android OS uses a lot of resources, unlike a simpler console such as those
No way does the RSX put out 1.8 Tflops....
It's basically 6800SLI which gets nowhere near that, the 580 doesn't even get that lol.
The Cell is an overhyped CPU that failed to deliver and in reality CPUs like the 360s Xeon and the I7s we have today are so much better for gaming. Developers just complain about the amount of code the Cell needs compared to conventional CPUs and how it takes too much time. Doesn't matter what you say about it in theory, in practice it costs too much money to develop on and it cost Sony the console war. Fact is we've not see the PS3 out perform the 360, the GPU inside the 360 can push more pixels, has access to more memory too. Games like uncharted use so much trickery to make them look good, I don't understand why people make a big deal out of it, have you seen the obviously jpeg like skyboxes all over it?
Graphics wise the phones are already there, what they lack in power they make up for in memory and new shaders and features to make the games look better. Mobile GPUs also push games at higher framerates and use AA which consoles lack most of the time due to memory constraints. Instead their games use post processing effects which blur everything out and make it look ****. Also mobile games run at 60FPS where as most console games are around 30fps or even lower.
CPU wise mobiles are getting there but still far off, we see the next gen of Arm chips getting close to the I3.
The biggest constraint of the Mobiles though is battery.
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The N4 is more powerful than a PS2/Xbox though right? My old SGS4G could play PS1 games without flinching.
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Give it up already. On paper the N4 is great and all for what it is, but it can't compete with a gaming console. Try hooking up your phone to a big screen hdtv and see how it compares graphics wise to a gaming console if you have one. After all, the SGS4G doesn't have a disc drive on it so I don't know how you could play a PS1 game one it. You must only be playing pirated games via a 3 or 4 inch screen to come to the assumption that a cell phone comes close to any of the current gaming consoles graphics wise. Afterall, there is a reason they make cell phones, dvd/bluray players, video game consoles, tvs, etc... They each have their own benefits.
Lets be honest, PS3 games are absolutely shocking. They have so much screen tear, not to mention the actual graphics are completely and utterly awful. It takes an age to load, even it's own dashboard. Xbox 360 is better but still, consoles we have today are absolutely light years behind PC's and even the processors we have in our phones outshine them.
You can quote all the nonsense giga flop teraflop data you want, you would be all talking out your behinds because consoles struggle with the games they have, and with skyrim as an example, are completely and utterly chopped down to run, when compared to the unlocked PC versions with the proper textures.
I have yet to find a PS3 game to run in 1080p which is what it should be coping with, and the 720p games are awful both performance wise, and graphics wise.
As for mobiles on a big screen tv, the LG optimus 3G hooked up to 40 inch hd tv gaming is absolutely brilliant, look it up.
Xbox 360 is much much faster than the PS3 and actually does have better graphics it can handle and probably gives the Nexus a beating on the graphics side, but loading and general useage as a pc and it'd be useless.
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No way does the RSX put out 1.8 Tflops....
It's basically 6800SLI which gets nowhere near that, the 580 doesn't even get that lol.
The Cell is an overhyped CPU that failed to deliver and in reality CPUs like the 360s Xeon and the I7s we have today are so much better for gaming. Developers just complain about the amount of code the Cell needs compared to conventional CPUs and how it takes too much time. Doesn't matter what you say about it in theory, in practice it costs too much money to develop on and it cost Sony the console war. Fact is we've not see the PS3 out perform the 360, the GPU inside the 360 can push more pixels, has access to more memory too. Games like uncharted use so much trickery to make them look good, I don't understand why people make a big deal out of it, have you seen the obviously jpeg like skyboxes all over it?
Graphics wise the phones are already there, what they lack in power they make up for in memory and new shaders and features to make the games look better. Mobile GPUs also push games at higher framerates and use AA which consoles lack most of the time due to memory constraints. Instead their games use post processing effects which blur everything out and make it look ****. Also mobile games run at 60FPS where as most console games are around 30fps or even lower.
CPU wise mobiles are getting there but still far off, we see the next gen of Arm chips getting close to the I3.
The biggest constraint of the Mobiles though is battery.
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Regarding GPU power: Nowadays it's still ~ a factor of 10. It is a really rough number but I often measured something like this when comparing GPU performance of iOS/Android devices and consoles/mid PC systems. Modern games still do a lot more than mobile games regarding rendering (shadows, global illumination, screen scape effects like SSAO, etc, etc). But mobile GPUs will get better and better. See e.g. the roadmap from NVIDIA and the comparison with current console generation:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...el-performance-from-mobile-gpus-in-2013-2014/
biffsmash said:
Lets be honest, PS3 games are absolutely shocking. They have so much screen tear, not to mention the actual graphics are completely and utterly awful. It takes an age to load, even it's own dashboard. Xbox 360 is better but still, consoles we have today are absolutely light years behind PC's and even the processors we have in our phones outshine them.
You can quote all the nonsense giga flop teraflop data you want, you would be all talking out your behinds because consoles struggle with the games they have, and with skyrim as an example, are completely and utterly chopped down to run, when compared to the unlocked PC versions with the proper textures.
I have yet to find a PS3 game to run in 1080p which is what it should be coping with, and the 720p games are awful both performance wise, and graphics wise.
As for mobiles on a big screen tv, the LG optimus 3G hooked up to 40 inch hd tv gaming is absolutely brilliant, look it up.
Xbox 360 is much much faster than the PS3 and actually does have better graphics it can handle and probably gives the Nexus a beating on the graphics side, but loading and general useage as a pc and it'd be useless.
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Actually PS3 has v-sync enabled for lots of games which means no screen tear.
And no, the Xbox doesn't have better graphics. If Uncharted wasn't enough, take a look at Heavy Rain or The Last of Us.
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Regarding GPU power: Nowadays it's still ~ a factor of 10. It is a really rough number but I often measured something like this when comparing GPU performance of iOS/Android devices and consoles/mid PC systems. Modern games still do a lot more than mobile games regarding rendering (shadows, global illumination, screen scape effects like SSAO, etc, etc). But mobile GPUs will get better and better. See e.g. the roadmap from NVIDIA and the comparison with current console generation:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...el-performance-from-mobile-gpus-in-2013-2014/
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Got to agree with this. Mobile games often have just a lot of pointless effects which make them look beautiful.
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Hello to you all.
I'd like to hear your view about which version of the phone has more potential in the years to come when dealing with future emulators such as the Wii, 360, PS3, and any previous gen game console to date. With that I have a few questions I ask to you all.
With the Snapdragon running Quad 1.9's. What could be the maximum overclock on these?
In this wikipage, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4, it explains the Exynos runs only 1 of the 2 sets of quad 1.6 and 1.2 cores respectfully. I'd like to know if there is a bypass to get all 8 cores running concurrently at the same time. And if so, To get the overclock on every core for this model as well.
The ultimate goal is using a BT controller(Moga Controller), maximum processing and graphics powers(These phones), Connector cables for HDMI, and the proper emulators to enjoy(Which I'm currently working/dealing with).
Hear from you soon.
Sincerely,
Sincereless
Sincereless said:
I'd like to hear your view about which version of the phone has more potential in the years to come when dealing with future emulators such as the Wii, 360, PS3
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You're highly overestimating the performance of the phone. While there's a Dolphin emulator in the works to emulate Gamecube and Wii games on Android, the S4 will never be able to run them at a decent frame rate. 360 and PS3 emulators are out of the question, even for the most powerful desktop computers available.
Yeah, it takes many times the power of the original to emulate it. Phones are only close in capabilities to those 7 year old consoles which means there's no hope of emulating them.
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Yeah, it takes many times the power of the original to emulate it. Phones are only close in capabilities to those 7 year old consoles which means there's no hope of emulating them.
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THE ADRENO 320 ITS WORKING TOO CLOSE OF THE PS3 PERFORMANCE... AND THE 1.9GHz OF THE CPU IS OVERLOCKABLE TO 2.0GHz EVEN 2.2GHz BUT THE PHONE ALREY SUFFERS THOROTTLE SO LETS SEE WHAT HAPPEN
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Hello to you all.
With the Snapdragon running Quad 1.9's. What could be the maximum overclock on these?
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Doubt it will get overclocked, it already feels like it's gonna burn a hole through the screen after 15 minutes use...
Before we get into whether it can or can't run an emulation it's best to discuss the absolute limits of the Exynos phone and Snapdragon. I'm currently discussing the situation with a group working on the PS3 emulation. But first we need to know what the phone can and can't do.
So the question now is how high can the Exynos 1.6 and 1.2 cores be overclocked, and how high can the 1.9 Snapdragons? What would be a good stable overclock speed? One that won't burn out the CPU's.
(On a side note is there such a thing as portable external CPU's. After browsing extended batteries I got the notion you could kinda fit a second phone motherboard in the size of one of the extended cases. Say for example a second Galaxy S4.) <.<
Your thoughts?