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Honeycombe 3.0 Preview

Hey all, i recently downloaded the sdk for Honeycombe to try and i love the new layout, a radical difference between 3.0 and 2.3. So when can we all have this on our recently awesomeated x10's?
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wow can't wait to see that on our phone

Isn't that the tablet version?

will.m said:
Isn't that the tablet version?
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So far they havent released minimum specs, some sites speculate since its based on the NVIDIA Tegra 2 dual core CPU that it will be the minimum. But a phone can dream.
The question is, if 3.0 is tablet based then what is the next update for smartphones? Surely not Ice Cream Sandwich? Tablet OS should work on smart phones otherwise they should use a different numbering system. Kinda getting ahead of myself since the x10 wont get as much as 2.2 officially.

Tasteslikeawesome said:
So far they havent released minimum specs, some sites speculate since its based on the NVIDIA Tegra 2 dual core CPU that it will be the minimum. But a phone can dream.
The question is, if 3.0 is tablet based then what is the next update for smartphones? Surely not Ice Cream Sandwich? Tablet OS should work on smart phones otherwise they should use a different numbering system. Kinda getting ahead of myself since the x10 wont get as much as 2.2 officially.
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From what I understand regarding 3.0, if the resolution of the screen is above a certain amount (ie a Tablet) then it will have the new UI and but if the resolution is smaller (ie a phone) then the UI will remain the same.

In this article on the german smartphone site areamobile.de, they say, that Honeycomb will stay a tablet-only OS in the near future.
But later this can change since they want to reunite the Android versions in the long term.
You could try Google translate if you're interested in the article

Findee said:
From what I understand regarding 3.0, if the resolution of the screen is above a certain amount (ie a Tablet) then it will have the new UI and but if the resolution is smaller (ie a phone) then the UI will remain the same.
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This is what I was thinking. There's no way you can fit that many icons with options on our phones. Everything would be way too small.

sound great!! can't wait the honeycomb is runnning on our x10

Tasteslikeawesome said:
Hey all, i recently downloaded the sdk for Honeycombe to try and i love the new layout, a radical difference between 3.0 and 2.3. So when can we all have this on our recently awesomeated x10's?
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-__- can you please accept the fact that our Rachael will always be at 2.1 and that there will not be any upgrades anymore???
And no, our phones are not awesome just recently. It's been awesome since the day she was born.

loneLEE said:
-__- can you please accept the fact that our Rachael will always be at 2.1 and that there will not be any upgrades anymore???
And no, our phones are not awesome just recently. It's been awesome since the day she was born.
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WORD man, WORD !!!

Wonderfull i can't wait

loneLEE said:
-__- can you please accept the fact that our Rachael will always be at 2.1 and that there will not be any upgrades anymore???
And no, our phones are not awesome just recently. It's been awesome since the day she was born.
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Considering the fact that I haven't used 2.1 since mid December and now currently running a stable 2.3 I'd say that no more updates is a little exaggerated. I never said that I expected an official se ROM, that would be a madness comparable to a iPhone user happy with the lack of flash. j & z have provided seemingly miracles in the past and I don't see why they can't again.
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Tasteslikeawesome said:
Considering the fact that I haven't used 2.1 since mid December and now currently running a stable 2.3 I'd say that no more updates is a little exaggerated. I never said that I expected an official se ROM, that would be a madness comparable to a iPhone user happy with the lack of flash. j & z have provided seemingly miracles in the past and I don't see why they can't again.
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Oh. you mean resorting to hacking -_-
ok then =S
Let's see how they perform miracles by incorporating the Arc new media and timescapes into it =X

wish we can see honeycomb on our x10s

alankstiyo said:
wish we can see honeycomb on our x10s
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The word is just in:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/03/honeycomb-wont-be-on-phones-but-it-will-encrypt-your-data/
No Honeycomb for android phones.

Tasteslikeawesome said:
The word is just in:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/03/honeycomb-wont-be-on-phones-but-it-will-encrypt-your-data/
No Honeycomb for android phones.
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That's good new for me that means all new phones are on equal grounds now since 2.2 and 2.3 doesn't fully support DC

unknown13x said:
That's good new for me that means all new phones are on equal grounds now since 2.2 and 2.3 doesn't fully support DC
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And we all get 3.X Icecream yay.

Tasteslikeawesome said:
And we all get 3.X Icecream yay.
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You are correct

Sounds wonderfull........

loneLEE said:
Oh. you mean resorting to hacking -_-
ok then =S
Let's see how they perform miracles by incorporating the Arc new media and timescapes into it =X
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people use that garbage?
You are such a goon, why come into threads to complain that people want more out of their device than stock 2.1? Not everyone is a capitalist sheep that will let companies give it to them in the ass..

Now that jb(jelly bean) is officialy announced...

JB is announced... It seems to improve performance a lot, so Xperia Play will run it better than ICS...
any one dares to make a port (please)?

Will Jellybean be available officially from Sony for the Xperia Play ?

Our play has been ditched by Sony
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google announced jb today so it can take about 1 Jear until Sony says something about it.

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_16gb
Who wants one?!
EDIT: Also, it says Jellybean supports BRAIL ?
How would that be possible?

Did google say anything about the source code yet? Did cyanogenmod made a statement?

Hahaha even Google is trolling with our xperia play
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bamsbamx said:
JB is announced... It seems to improve performance a lot, so Xperia Play will run it better than ICS...
any one dares to make a port (please)?
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It's not about running it better than ICS, it's about game compatibility with the touchpads and the overall gaming experience compared to Gingerbread.
Hence why they didn't update to ICS in the first place, It's extremely unlikely that we will get Jelly Bean or anything else as a matter of fact tbh. The only way we can get Jelly Bean is by porting but gaming will always be a problem with roms from ICS onwards.

aaron187 said:
It's not about running it better than ICS, it's about game compatibility with the touchpads and the overall gaming experience compared to Gingerbread.
Hence why they didn't update to ICS in the first place, It's extremely unlikely that we will get Jelly Bean or anything else as a matter of fact tbh. The only way we can get Jelly Bean is by porting but gaming will always be a problem with roms from ICS onwards.
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Don't waste your breath. There are tons of threads started about ICS and people try telling them that it has to do with the gaming aspect, not the specs. They won't listen.

mustbepbs said:
Don't waste your breath. There are tons of threads started about ICS and people try telling them that it has to do with the gaming aspect, not the specs. They won't listen.
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I agree that there's so many useless threads which have been created over and over again with people moaning even though its for their own good. Then they wonder why the get insulted and called noobs etc.
Plus some people on this forum are so ungrateful to what we devs give to them and just always complain, You can never win with some people hence why I stopped developing my ICS Rom further with constant posts saying touchpads aren't working blahblah..

aaron187 said:
It's not about running it better than ICS, it's about game compatibility with the touchpads and the overall gaming experience compared to Gingerbread.
Hence why they didn't update to ICS in the first place, It's extremely unlikely that we will get Jelly Bean or anything else as a matter of fact tbh. The only way we can get Jelly Bean is by porting but gaming will always be a problem with roms from ICS onwards.
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Touch Pads have been fixed by xdarkmario. Check his XDarkICS from. Gameloft and EA games work with pads on it
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The SDK is allready available!

Yeah, Nickholtus is porting it!

bornotty said:
Hahaha even Google is trolling with our xperia play
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Bro kindly check PM !

There is a 99.9% chance we're not going to get this officially from Sony, on the other hand there is a 0.1% chance we May get it!

Sony got to throw resources into this porting effort
aaron187 said:
It's not about running it better than ICS, it's about game compatibility with the touchpads and the overall gaming experience compared to Gingerbread.
Hence why they didn't update to ICS in the first place, It's extremely unlikely that we will get Jelly Bean or anything else as a matter of fact tbh. The only way we can get Jelly Bean is by porting but gaming will always be a problem with roms from ICS onwards.
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Yeah, I would agree with your point, ICS performance-wise is no doubt far better than Gingerbread (not to mention Jelly Bean), but I don't see it in the last ICS Beta on my Xperia Play ... the reason being ... may be lack of good driver support, if there's no official driver support, and Sony just expect hack work from the XDA community can resolve this issue they are too cheap-skate ... no offends, I think the open-source initiative is pure good, but official support is crucial too ...

TheCraig said:
There is a 99.9% chance we're not going to get this officially from Sony, on the other hand there is a 0.1% chance we May get it!
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learn math its 0.01% lol
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fma965 said:
learn math its 0.01% lol
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99.9 plus 0.01 is 99.91. Learn math, lol, smily faces?
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Trygon said:
99.9 plus 0.01 is 99.91. Learn math, lol, smily faces?
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fma965 said:
learn math
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see lol this why you shouldn't go on XDA at stupid times. You end up trying to correct someone who is right with a wrong answer.
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Official ICS Officially DeBlurred

Motorola ICS UI review: this isn't the Blur we used to know
Looks like the official ICS ROM will be mostly vanilla. With such a light touch and now being owned by Google, maybe they'll go full vanilla in the future.

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We already have a few ICS discussion threads, you could have known that months ago by reading one of them.

This thread title is misleading. Offical release date is most likely Q4 2013.

windozeanti said:
This thread title is misleading. Offical release date is most likely Q4 2013.
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No, I'm pretty sure it's next Tuesday.
MB860, CM7.2.0, Faux 026b1 1Ghz

And I stand by my original statement that it will be released on Friday.

Jelly Bean right after, on Saturday.

I am not sure if they would provide a vanilla UI for ATrix like we see in Razr.

Semseddin said:
I am not sure if they would provide a vanilla UI for ATrix like we see in Razr.
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I think yes. It's cheaper and easier to use the same code.

Consider we're talking about motorola. That UI is for OMAP devices and Atrix isn't equipped with OMAP. We'll see all together.

I doubt the UI will be different just because the processor is. With it so deblurred, you gotta wonder why they even bother redoing any part of it. They can just include the bloat they want as apps without messing with the framework. Maybe the carriers are insisting on crippling some features.

Code is written in high level programming language like C++.

yeahmann said:
I doubt the UI will be different just because the processor is. With it so deblurred, you gotta wonder why they even bother redoing any part of it. They can just include the bloat they want as apps without messing with the framework. Maybe the carriers are insisting on crippling some features.
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Its the same case as why the Photon and Atrix got a different, uglier and sluggish Blur instead of the one that came with all the Motorola phones equipped with OMAP4 chips.
Heck, the ICS Blur we see on our Atrix might even be the original ugly Android4 blur that is available for download everywhere.
Sent from that Atrix.

tatperson said:
Its the same case as why the Photon and Atrix got a different, uglier and sluggish Blur instead of the one that came with all the Motorola phones equipped with OMAP4 chips.
Heck, the ICS Blur we see on our Atrix might even be the original ugly Android4 blur that is available for download everywhere.
Sent from that Atrix.
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Agreed.
Heck the launcher on the initial Froyo builds was so much more faster!
And then the rest of the Motorola phones comes out, and guess what ? Atrix is suddenly sluggish? I mean seriously?

I actually complained about screen switching being TOO fast on the Froyo build lol... ooops.
GB update was weird for me, it worked GREAT for a long time, then it started getting buggy and sluggish, I factory reset it like 4 times with new blur accounts etc, and nothing helped, finally rom'd it the other day and couldn't be happier..
Got to figure out a solution for webtop though, I used that a LOT.

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Got to figure out a solution for webtop though, I used that a LOT.
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If reports are correct (that Webtop has been replaced with tablet mode plus some candy), then the only solution that is rational is to run a headless Linux disttro and RDC into it.
Even if all the bits of code needed to spin up X are opensource, it is going to be a huge pain for somebody to port it over to ICS. And some items (such as the kernel mod that mux's inputs to both X and 'droid) I do not beleive are avaiable.
Using an RDC aproach makes it is fairly easy to put a distro of your choice on the Atrix though, so that is a plus.
To me the question would be if I was to use a full screen RDC to an 'ux desktop, or just bring up a window to the app that I want. Really need to see how it all plays after we get the real Tegra drivers for ICS out.

after many Tuesday, still waiting for ICS
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maggedo said:
after many Tuesday, still waiting for ICS
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Right, Motorola is testing our patient. Always look forward to next Tuesday!

fuuuu.... i think , that ics officialy released...

lol
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gofgalaxy said:
fuuuu.... i think , that ics officialy released...
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:laugh: same here

What will Defy+ get? Jelly Bean or $100

As you can see in another thread (OMAP 3630/3620/3610 and Ice Cream Sandwich), other companies have been capable of making phones with ICS that have hardware equivalent to Defy+.
The new Motorola CEO Dennis Woodside brings some light (minute #36)
"We know that keeping current on the latest Android Operating System is important to all of our users.
We will upgrade most of our devices that were launched since 2011 to Jelly Bean very soon, but there are a small number of devices which can't be upgraded without degrading the phone performance.
So for those owners, we'll offer a $100 credit with the purchase of any device we unveil today."
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I really appreciate their efforts to bring the upgrades, fair enough when phones with great hardware such as
Milestone 3 (dual core Cortex-A9) would otherwise "remain on Android 2.3" (https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c).
The question is: can Defy+ handle something better than Gingerbread without degrading the phone performance?

Sure it can. CM10 by quarx+ custom kernel = better than any motorola stock bull****
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I followed every build of Quarx's CM10 and found it great. I had one recurring issue where the phone would sometimes not wake up. It would take up to an hour to wake up and I would usually just pull the battery. Also many games were slow.
I recently reinstalled CM7.2 and feel like I have a new phone. Of course it depends how many apps you are running and whatnot. No more lag though and games are fast. From my experience, going to Jellybean is hard on the Defy and it really starts to show its hardware limitations.

Well that's not true. Yes there are issues with ram consumption and delayed app starts but its not even in an rc stage yet. Nightlies are meant to have problems. And the speed in which superdev quarx is correcting them is madness!!
As for me, I've been using the jelly build since the first usable nightly, and its going well till now. Risks involved but well that's part of the fun
My bet on the op is defy plus users will get a tap on their back and a lollipop(maybe)
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sUpErwHoO said:
Yes there are issues with ram consumption and delayed app starts but its not even in an rc stage yet.
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Well you kinda confirmed it true with this statement
It may end up being faster than cm7.2, but none of us know if it will or not. I can only speak for right now. Nobody knows if the slow down is bugs or just the limits of the hardware, though I suspect on a dual core handset it would run pretty snappy.
For now it's slower but Quarx's progress is superb.

scottdanpor said:
I followed every build of Quarx's CM10 and found it great. I had one recurring issue where the phone would sometimes not wake up. It would take up to an hour to wake up and I would usually just pull the battery. Also many games were slow.
I recently reinstalled CM7.2 and feel like I have a new phone. Of course it depends how many apps you are running and whatnot. No more lag though and games are fast. From my experience, going to Jellybean is hard on the Defy and it really starts to show its hardware limitations.
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Nope. With minimal gapps the ROM is fast as hell! Using full gapps clogs the system partition causing lag. With proper management of hwa use and a bit of overclocking cm10 blows cm7 away!
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You won't get either, unless you're on version wireless, you'll get the 100$. I don't see it other way... I can only laugh when I see the developer edition of the mobiles... to whom will you develop to? The rest of the users cannot use the kernels you develop!

Sadly, Defy+ gets nothing.
Motorola lists phones that won't get Jelly Bean, offers $100 credit to buy a phone that will
​Back in September, Motorola Mobility announced that some of its handsets from 2011 and later wouldn't be making the jump to Jelly Bean. In an effort to smooth things over with exiled customers, the company pledged that it would offer a $100 rebate to those who trade up to a select Motorola smartphone. Today, the Google-owned Android maker has released a list detailing which phones qualify for this promotion. If you're among the many who purchased a Droid 3, Droid X2 and Photon 4G, it looks like an official update to Android 4.1 is out of the question. It should be noted that this offer doesn't affect your wireless contract's terms and conditions (read: ETF may still apply). However, if you're just aching to pick up a Motorola phone that released in 2012, then why not score a $100 credit for your troubles? Move past the break to see which other devices made didn't make the cut.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/19/motorola-phones-no-jelly-bean-upgrade/

Lol...defy is not even in the list!!!!
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(discussion) Android 4.4 Kit kat.. What a bummer

The next version of android will be called kit kat and it will be version 4.4. What a bummer for key lime pie fans..
P. S. I love kit kat..
http://www.android.com/kitkat/
There's nothing about features yet, but we could see the new release next month. So lets start speculating.
I have one small worry though. 4.3 is expected in the coming weeks, and the Z1 goes live tomorrow, so we're now third in place for future updates. Kinda sucks don't you think?
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Sponsoring by Nestlé? Seriously? This has to be a joke.
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Take a break dude, have a kitkat
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It's even on the website of Nestlé: http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandfeatures/google-nestle-announce-android-kitkat
I'm not using those ridiculous names anyway. Android 4.0, Android 4.1, Android 4.2, etc. is much easier and shows immediately which one comes first. Android 4.1 and 4.2 even have the same name.

Kk (kitkat) as u say bro.
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LOL check out the new kitkat vid -

Ereckson said:
The next version of android will be called kit kat and it will be version 4.4. What a bummer for key lime pie fans..
P. S. I love kit kat..
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Bummer for key lime pie fans? You mean those who like to eat the pie? because there isn't much to be fan off otherwise

My point exactly.. Fans of the treat
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LOL check out the new kitkat vid -
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lol... I cant wait till they bring out a kitkat with 3gb of Ram, or the 6.3" kitkat ultra
cue the stream of kitkat based jokes...

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My point exactly.. Fans of the treat
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Well .. only has fans in the USA i reckon

No bother to me at all, I never refer to the updates as sweets anyhoo, I'll be sticking to 4.2, 4.4 etc

So I wrote an article about 4.4 link is here
But Cliff notes
It killing time so more people can get off 2.x
Its here to appease those Nexus, AOSP, and Google edition Users hoping for a major release this year
Positive press for Nestle and Google
All because 5.0 is going to get them bad press again because its going to be too powerful rendering many devices unable to upgrade to it

"It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
Everybody hm...My guess is, that KK will be optimized more than we might expect. Obviously not everybody has a high end device. You CANNOT fully enjoy android 4.X on a low/mid spec phone. It gets the job done, but is nowhere near the experience you get on a high end phone. Hell, 4.X is often / laggy on quadcore phones with 2 gigs of ram. I believe that we can expect a big performance jump on every phone.
And i'd take KitKat over "key lime pie" everyday.

ckyy said:
And i'd take KitKat over "key lime pie" everyday.
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High-five brother :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive:
I was wondering the same thing. Google isn't looking to make Android for performance-driven devices only. The the sucky part is that OEMs aren't going to update older phones with the new software. Mainly because the hardware is outdated and not supported, like say a TI OMAP chipset and Tegra 2. I'm pretty sure Xperia S owners are going to start cribbing about this in a few months too. Bringing Android to everyone is a forward looking statement where new devices, both low-end and high-performance, will be able to run the OS smoothly.

Ereckson said:
High-five brother :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive:
I was wondering the same thing. Google isn't looking to make Android for performance-driven devices only. The the sucky part is that OEMs aren't going to update older phones with the new software. Mainly because the hardware is outdated and not supported, like say a TI OMAP chipset and Tegra 2. I'm pretty sure Xperia S owners are going to start cribbing about this in a few months too. Bringing Android to everyone is a forward looking statement where new devices, both low-end and high-performance, will be able to run the OS smoothly.
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I wouldnt be sure about that. Sale of mobile phones is on its best in the first five/six months, then it decreases. Mobile phones being over 1 year old are commonly taken as sold out and you hardly get it in any mobile network offer. For SONY and other brands those phones are not money-makers and no one will provide updates for them, its not cruelty its just economy. Another aspect is that if they do so i mean update older phones they will definitely lose some clients for new ones, its like im not going to but expensive new one cause there is no difference in buying cheaper: same software, apps, other features. Economy is a keyword for updates, most of older devices are capable of running newer software enough smoothly.
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But Cliff notes
It killing time so more people can get off 2.x
Its here to appease those Nexus, AOSP, and Google edition Users hoping for a major release this year
Positive press for Nestle and Google
All because 5.0 is going to get them bad press again because its going to be too powerful rendering many devices unable to upgrade to it
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wasn't key lime pie supposed to be a leightweight? even 500mb ram phones i read in an article once.

here in my country (Chile), always existed a product called In-Kat, and it looks like the new Android OS.
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Sony Xperia Z and his Snack-Dragon S4 Pro

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wasn't key lime pie supposed to be a leightweight? even 500mb ram phones i read in an article once.[/QUOTE]
Thats what I live about the Sony threads, no-one has an idea, but everybodys talkin' gibberish
Nothing against people bringing in.ideas or such, but the bull that's going on.mostly, what a laugh
Not expecting much changes except maybe the UI and eventually a few bugs removed. It's still a version 4.x
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instead of keep improving hardware specs, they should improve the integration between os and hardware more ==