I just wanted to ask a question about the Nexus 4 for T-Mobile users specifically.
As many are probably aware T-Mobile in the US is refarming their spectrum to provide 42mbps speeds on the 1900mhz spectrum which will allow phones like the iPhone to get hspa+ speeds.
I don't care about the iPhone. I want to know what network speeds will be like for current handsets like the nexus 4 that get 42 Mbps right now.
I ask because I am currently in Boston with a gnex and when I first switched to T-Mobile network speeds kept getting better but within the last 6 months speeds have just gotten worse. I think the 1900mhz refarm may be to blame.
I would love to get 42Mbps speeds and this would be my main reason for upgrading to a nexus 4. But does the nexus 4 only support DC-HSPA+ on T-mobile's current bands or will it supports hspa+ (42mbps) on the 1900mhz bands as well. I ask because if this is not the case there is a serious issue of future proofing for this phone and I would probably wait for the next Nexus.
So just wandering if anyone knows more about this kind of stuff than me. Thanks!
Of course it will still get HSPA+:42
The reason your speeds are getting slower has to do with network congestion and 1900mhz should allow for a greater transmission
Thanks. Just wanted to make sure.
spitefulcheerio said:
Of course it will still get HSPA+:42
The reason your speeds are getting slower has to do with network congestion and 1900mhz should allow for a greater transmission
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Sorry to bring old post back up but this isn't correct. It will not be 1700mhz HSPA+ and 1900mhz HSPA+. It will be 1700 LTE, 1900 HSPA+. Currently HSPA+ is on 1700mhz. So it might be worse for the Nexus 4.
Maybe you can then enable the hidden LTE?
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Hello everyone,
I did a search in the q&a forums and didn't find anything about this. Is it possible for me to get 4g lte using an att sim card through straight talk? Just today 4g was activated in my area and it would be great to use that instead of my crappy internet connection which is like 3mb download. I know i would need to use either an older radio or a hybrid one for the nexus 4 to have lte functionality, but would it work on straight talk att?
Thank you for your help,
KerryWood34
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I don't know about about LTE on AT&T but if you go into Settings-More-Mobile Networks and enable Data Roaming then go to Access Point Names and hit Menu then reset to default you should see a slight increase in a good coverage area. I went from averaging 3 Mbps to 6 Mbps.
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KerryWood34 said:
Hello everyone,
I did a search in the q&a forums and didn't find anything about this. Is it possible for me to get 4g lte using an att sim card through straight talk? Just today 4g was activated in my area and it would be great to use that instead of my crappy internet connection which is like 3mb download. I know i would need to use either an older radio or a hybrid one for the nexus 4 to have lte functionality, but would it work on straight talk att?
Thank you for your help,
KerryWood34
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1) Straight Talk has no LTE, AIO (owned by AT&T and available in limited markets) is the only MVNO with LTE. Otherwise you need Go Phone (AT&T prepaid).
2) It only connects to LTE on 1700 MHz Band 4. Most of AT&T uses 700 MHz Band 17, but there are some Band 4 areas (Puerto Rico and Oklahoma City have been reported).
Best advice is to check if T-Mobile has good coverage in your area (I average 15 Mbps down just on HSPA+), and all of T-Mobile's LTE is on Band 4.
jjchdc said:
I don't know about about LTE on AT&T but if you go into Settings-More-Mobile Networks and enable Data Roaming then go to Access Point Names and hit Menu then reset to default you should see a slight increase in a good coverage area. I went from averaging 3 Mbps to 6 Mbps.
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I meant my actual internet connection lol. I have centurylink in the middle of nowhere and their highest speed
is 6mb, but im lucky if i get 4mb. Having 4g would be a godsend because i could use a wireless hotspot for everything.
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1) Straight Talk has no LTE, AIO (owned by AT&T and available in limited markets) is the only MVNO with LTE. Otherwise you need Go Phone (AT&T prepaid).
2) It only connects to LTE on 1700 MHz Band 4. Most of AT&T uses 700 MHz Band 17, but there are some Band 4 areas (Puerto Rico and Oklahoma City have been reported).
Best advice is to check if T-Mobile has good coverage in your area (I average 15 Mbps down just on HSPA+), and all of T-Mobile's LTE is on Band 4.
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Unfortunately I dont think i get t-mobile coverage where I am. Only ATT. So there's no hope then huh?
Side note, I am half Puerto Rican and half Mexican. You just made me miss my island lol.
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I would beg for 3Mbps download on my Nexus4 on Straight Talk AT&T. The highest speed I every got was 1.06 Mbps.
If you live out in the middle of nowhere then you won't be getting LTE form any carrier any time soon. Best you will get is HSPA+ from AT&T. Also Chicago is another area where AT&T is using band 4 as they don't have enough band 17 coverage in that area to serve it properly.
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If you live out in the middle of nowhere then you won't be getting LTE form any carrier any time soon. Best you will get is HSPA+ from AT&T. Also Chicago is another area where AT&T is using band 4 as they don't have enough band 17 coverage in that area to serve it properly.
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I know there is 4g in my area now. Other phones in the house are getting 4g. I was just hoping there was some hope for my wife and I to be able to get 4g as well through ATT. How would i test which band my area is using and assuming I were able to get 4g what would be the steps to getting it on my nexus 4?
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straighttalk lte in Hawaii
KerryWood34 said:
I know there is 4g in my area now. Other phones in the house are getting 4g. I was just hoping there was some hope for my wife and I to be able to get 4g as well through ATT. How would i test which band my area is using and assuming I were able to get 4g what would be the steps to getting it on my nexus 4?
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Just noticed LTE on my wife's HTC One on straighttalk using an AT&T mvno here in Hawaii.
I only did one speed test 7mbs up and down. Pleasantly surprised.
Verizon is now offering the 32 GB unit for sale on their web site, free overnight delivery, so mine should arrive Friday...
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Verizon is now offering the 32 GB unit for sale on their web site, free overnight delivery, so mine should arrive Friday...
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Looking forward to your review!
Funny some guy here was claiming someone at Verizon corporate said they wouldnt have it for months lol
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FedEx says mine is out on the truck for delivery today...
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Funny some guy here was claiming someone at Verizon corporate said they wouldnt have it for months lol
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Yes, that was me and as usual, Verizon has no clue what they are talking about.I'm not returning my WiFi model but if I had known this would be out within 2 weeks of my purchase, I probably would have waited. On a 2 year it would have been almost the same price as the WiFi. Not like I'm ever leaving Verizon anytime soon due to their network in my area being better than any other carrier..
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Yes, that was me and as usual, Verizon has no clue what they are talking about.I'm not returning my WiFi model but if I had known this would be out within 2 weeks of my purchase, I probably would have waited. On a 2 year it would have been almost the same price as the WiFi. Not like I'm ever leaving Verizon anytime soon due to their network in my area being better than any other carrier..
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Iv thought about it but if I end up traveling internationally I doubt it would accept sims from other countries. It might though....
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So I just came from Verizon to check out the tablet. I went into settings and tried to do a system update, I didn't get the error that some people with P905 were getting about being custom. The update check came back ok, the system is up to date with the latest software. I went into download mode, everything was 0X0, nothing tripped of course but I couldn't figure out how to check if the bootloader is locked. I couldn't find the Phone app or the SMS text messaging app so I'm assuming this version cannot make calls.
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Iv thought about it but if I end up traveling internationally I doubt it would accept sims from other countries. It might though....
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Here are the Note Pro 12.2 Network specs:
Network: LTE Band 13/4 (700/1700 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(850/900/1900/2100))
I hope someone smart here can let us know if this will work with AT&T or T-Mobile (Barry!) I see it has the 700, 1900, and 2100, but I don't know if bands 13/4 are compatible.
Let me see if I can help you out.
Here is some detailed information on their support site for what frequencies T-Mobile supports and what is required to use their network.
T-Mobile network & coverage details
T-Mobile 4G LTE
T-Mobile's advanced 4G LTE network is smoking fast! With incredible speed, you can do more using our nationwide 4G LTE network. Check our 4G LTE markets to see if you're covered.
T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports LTE 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. Check Tech Specs to view your phone's capabilities.
Once you're registered on our 4G LTE network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 4G (HSPA+)
With 4G, theoretical maximum download speeds range from 21 Mbps up to 42 Mbps.
Our 4G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. We use 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to use voice and data services. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 4G network.
Once you're registered on our 4G network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 3G (HSPA)
With 3G, theoretical maximum download of 14 Mbps.
Our 3G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 3G network.
On our 3G network, you can use voice and data services simultaneously.
T-Mobile 2G (EDGE)
EDGE, our enhanced 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 236 kbps.
GPRS, our 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 114 kbps. Typical speeds are between 35 kbps and 45 kbps.
Voice and data services cannot work simultaneously when on GPRS or EDGE.
Data speeds vary depending on its operating system, processor, battery life, running applications, peak theoretical speeds, and distance from the cell site. USB laptop sticks almost always offer higher speeds than smartphones, because they use the power of a laptop with larger batteries, processors, and other technologies. Also, downloading information is faster than uploading. There is no way to predict an exact speed with so many factors affecting your experience.
T-Mobile network & coverage details
T-Mobile 4G LTE
T-Mobile's advanced 4G LTE network is smoking fast! With incredible speed, you can do more using our nationwide 4G LTE network. Check our 4G LTE markets to see if you're covered.
T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports LTE 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. Check Tech Specs to view your phone's capabilities.
Once you're registered on our 4G LTE network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 4G (HSPA+)
With 4G, theoretical maximum download speeds range from 21 Mbps up to 42 Mbps.
Our 4G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. We use 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to use voice and data services. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 4G network.
Once you're registered on our 4G network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 3G (HSPA)
With 3G, theoretical maximum download of 14 Mbps.
Our 3G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 3G network.
On our 3G network, you can use voice and data services simultaneously.
T-Mobile 2G (EDGE)
EDGE, our enhanced 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 236 kbps.
GPRS, our 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 114 kbps. Typical speeds are between 35 kbps and 45 kbps.
Voice and data services cannot work simultaneously when on GPRS or EDGE.
Data speeds vary depending on its operating system, processor, battery life, running applications, peak theoretical speeds, and distance from the cell site. USB laptop sticks almost always offer higher speeds than smartphones, because they use the power of a laptop with larger batteries, processors, and other technologies. Also, downloading information is faster than uploading. There is no way to predict an exact speed with so many factors affecting your experience.
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Received my Verizon Note Pro yesterday. Activated without any issue. I've only used LTE a little bit on it, speedtest wasn't overwhelming, but that was probably a cell issue. Other than that, seems pretty much like the wifi version I've played with. Oh, in case anyone thinks about it, if I had to do it again, I'd skip the "travel bundle". I don't tend to use screen protectors, the vehicle charger is only 1A and even says on the box "Not designed to charge a tablet", and the Speck case is ok, but not great. (Not sure how long the clasp is going to last.)
One potential difference from the wifi model - this one supports 802.11ac. I don't remember seeing that for the wifi model?
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I doubt it would accept sims from other countries. It might though....
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It should once it's unlocked. These are the bands for the Latin American LTE's tabs that support 700MHz. I'm guessing the non-700MHz bands are the same for both AT&T and VZW's branded devices. The loss of 800/1,800MHz which are on the international LTE devices will screw up Europe and Asia as some big carriers there use one or both those bands.
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I see it has the 700, 1900, and 2100, but I don't know if bands 13/4 are compatible.
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AT&T uses band 4 for 1,700MHz like VZW but uses band 17 (vs. VZW's band 13) for 700MHz. Historically, putting a AT&T LTE SIM in a VZW device hasn't worked so I'm assuming both bands must be supported by the radio for both uploads and downloads. T-Mobile uses the 1,700MHz band 4 channel singularly and unlocked AT&T devices have gotten T-Mobile LTE and vice versa. I haven't read anything about VZW devices with T-Mobile LTE SIMs connecting via band 4 but on paper it should work. Band 4 is band 4.
Bands supported for LTE are exclusive to LTE. To get full T-Mobile GSM data coverage the GSM part of the radio would also need to support 1,700MHz which it doesn't. So GSM would only work in T-Mobile markets that have been refarmed to 1,900MHz. Unlocked, the radio in the VZW N12 would fully support AT&T's GSM data network.
One other difference between Verizon and WiFi versions - the Verizon unit doesn't get some of the offers that the WiFi does. No remotePC, no 50 GB dropbox, etc. Does get the Google Play store credit, and Gogo, but that's about it.
ericbergan said:
Received my Verizon Note Pro yesterday. Activated without any issue. I've only used LTE a little bit on it, speedtest wasn't overwhelming, but that was probably a cell issue. Other than that, seems pretty much like the wifi version I've played with. Oh, in case anyone thinks about it, if I had to do it again, I'd skip the "travel bundle". I don't tend to use screen protectors, the vehicle charger is only 1A and even says on the box "Not designed to charge a tablet", and the Speck case is ok, but not great. (Not sure how long the clasp is going to last.)
One potential difference from the wifi model - this one supports 802.11ac. I don't remember seeing that for the wifi model?
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Were they nice enough to sim-unlock it for you since you bought it at full price? Or will they make you wait 6 months to unlock it?
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One other difference between Verizon and WiFi versions - the Verizon unit doesn't get some of the offers that the WiFi does. No remotePC, no 50 GB dropbox, etc. Does get the Google Play store credit, and Gogo, but that's about it.
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Were you able to find any calling/sms features?
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Were they nice enough to sim-unlock it for you since you bought it at full price? Or will they make you wait 6 months to unlock it?
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Were you able to find any calling/sms features?
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Don't have another SIM to try, and imei.info doesn't recognize the imei number. Is there another way to check if it is unlocked?
As for calling/sms, not that I've seen so far, but calling/texting from my tablets has never been a requirement for me, so haven't paid a lot of attention.
Great responses. My Verizon version is being shipped.. texting from tablets van be done on wifi anyways via mighty text or Google voice. The remote pc I have the apk on my note 10.1 2014. Dropbox it's only worth it if creating a new account otherwise you lose the offer but depends on usage. 50gb free on Mega. Gogo, wonder if is any good. HANCOMM? ?
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aburns7487 said:
Great responses. My Verizon version is being shipped.. texting from tablets van be done on wifi anyways via mighty text or Google voice. The remote pc I have the apk on my note 10.1 2014. Dropbox it's only worth it if creating a new account otherwise you lose the offer but depends on usage. 50gb free on Mega. Gogo, wonder if is any good. HANCOMM? ?
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I didn't need to create a new account to get the 50GB on Dropbox. I just logged in with my account info and now have about 53GB
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dodo99x said:
I didn't need to create a new account to get the 50GB on Dropbox. I just logged in with my account info and now have about 53GB
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i believe he meant if you had already had the note 10.1 2104 edition and got the dropbox offer 1st time so you can't add another offer to same account as you would need another account to receive the new 50 gigs
Exactly what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.
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How's the performance of the Verizon Snapdragon 800 compared to Exynos especially pushing 2560x1600 resolution? Can you post benchmarks for Anomaly 2 benchmark and Epic Citadel at highest settings?
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How's the performance of the Verizon Snapdragon 800 compared to Exynos especially pushing 2560x1600 resolution? Can you post benchmarks for Anomaly 2 benchmark and Epic Citadel at highest settings?
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I don't have a WiFi model to compare against, but subjectively I'm happy with the speed and it seems to handle full screen video content well. I'm not into tablet benchmarking so don't have the tools/methodology (desktops, on the other hand...) to provide anything objective.
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I don't have a WiFi model to compare against, but subjectively I'm happy with the speed and it seems to handle full screen video content well. I'm not into tablet benchmarking so don't have the tools/methodology (desktops, on the other hand...) to provide anything objective.
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We can extrapolate from Note 3 which is 1080p. Anomaly 2 benchmark and Epic Citadel are actually useful since they're not synthethic benchmarks but actual game engines. They're free to download from Google Play. Do us a favor and run them at highest setting and report score or fps. My impression of the Exynos is that its graphics performance is weaker so it'll have a negative impact on UI experience which should be solved with Snapdragon Verizon variant.