SNote sucks - Galaxy Note 10.1 General

First the brightness issue,
Now that I actually tried to use it for a extended period, I'm finding my palm always hits the edge and moves the scrollbars
I had a tablet pc many years ago that provides a much better note taking experience

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Mine is awesome.
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dtziheucdavis said:
I'm finding my palm always hits the edge and moves the scrollbars
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Poor Samsung. First, everyone *****ed about the panning box they used to allow you to move through a note you're working on. Then, they changed it and replaced it with a scroll bar and people are *****ing about that too. I don't know which version of S-Note you're on but in the version included in JB with "only recognize the S-Pen" enabled it's really really hard to inadvertantly hit the scroll bars so maybe that'll solve your problem. As for the brightness being ramped up in S-Note I get the logic and it shows how much they think about how people use their devices and apps. If you think about, since the Note's a drawing device, people could be using it at any angle and in any position. Disabling auto-brightness kind of makes sense so that the screen doesn't fade in and out if someone's hand is over the ambient light sensor. Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time.

"version included in JB"
Jelly Bean? I thought the US Note 10.1 were still in ICS

dtziheucdavis said:
"version included in JB"
Jelly Bean? I thought the US Note 10.1 were still in ICS
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Doesn't mean that you can't flash another rom...

I don't use autobrightness so it changing the levels drives me absolutely nuts. E.g. I'm working in a dark room so have the level turned down to what suits me best. I open snoteb and up it goes. I turn it back down manually, jump to another app for a moment for whatever reason, say to read some info in a pdf, switch back to snote and, bam, blinded again.
There's a reason why autobrightness can be toggled on and off, and one app ignoring that convention is infuriating.

actually if you use autobrightness, the brightness levels still change

"Disabling auto-brightness kind of makes sense so that the screen doesn't fade in and out if someone's hand is over the ambient light sensor. Oh well, you can't please all the people all the time."
If this is the case, then there are definitely better solutions than the one Samsung implemented. For example, putting a timer on the ambient light sensor so it doesn't react to accidentally being covered up. If it's only briefly covered up, the brightness won't change. If it's really in a dark room and sensing low light with no interruption for say 1 minute, then change the brightness.
So, it's hard to believe that Samsung would make SNote change the brightness autmoatically as a "feature". Samsung makes great products, but we dont have to idolize them the way that iOS Sheep idolize Apple.

dtziheucdavis said:
So, it's hard to believe that Samsung would make SNote change the brightness autmoatically as a "feature".
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OK, since we know it wasn't done accidentally, care to take a more reasoned guess as to why they did it?
Samsung makes great products, but we dont have to idolize them the way that iOS Sheep idolize Apple.
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If you're referring to me I chose the Teg3 One X over the SGS3 and am very happy with my choice. Here's a demonstration of my lack of idolization. In JB, putting the multiview selector to the right of the more important and more often used "settings" selector wasn't very well thought out from a usability perspective.
S-Note turning up the brightness works fine for me and I kind of like it since auto-brightness tends to be on the dim side normally. I'd probably like it less if I frequently took notes in a dark room which I don't. I don't assume everyone uses their device like I do so I certainly wouldn't invoke my opinion of a feature on others.

This is why I use lecture notes.

There is no brightness ISSUE.
They increase brightness on purpose to make drawing more precise.
You can never satisfy everyone....

Can someone share the apk of the first version with no bars?
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bsilvino said:
Can someone share the apk of the first version with no bars?
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You can't upgrade or downgrade S-Note with just the single APK. There are supporting files that have to be changed along with it. When PDF import was borked on some versions of S-Note folks tried to update it with a newer version of the APK alone and it failed.

Actualy, I did the backup with titaniun but when I tried to restore now I am getting FC. Any idea how can I fix it then?
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legion1911 said:
There is no brightness ISSUE.
They increase brightness on purpose to make drawing more precise.
You can never satisfy everyone....
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Yes they can, they can let us make up our own mind as to what level of brightness we want, the same as we do with every other app. Why bother having a brightness setting at all if that's the case, just get rid of it entirely as they know better.

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[Q] Dark screen app (?) to reduce brightness? Is it possible?

Hello
I have a Samsung I9000 Galaxy S which is way too bright even at the lowest setting.
Anyways so I got an idea of an app but I dont know whether its technically possible or not!
So is it possible to create an App that works just like a transparent dark glass which covers your screen and you see through it and can perform all functions normally but due to the app the screen becomes dark so that it doesn't strain the eyes?
Also current "minimum" brightness on the Galaxy S is "10" even with 3rd party apps. Is it a limitation of Android or Samsung firmware? Also is it technically possible to go into - values such as "-30" ?
Ah, great topic. I have the same problem on my HTC Desire. Interesting to hear what the experts have to say.
Yeah these amoled screens are uber bright!
Download AdjBrightness from the market, it rules.
Grus said:
Download AdjBrightness from the market, it rules.
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I have read on the net that it doesnt work for Galaxy S.
The app is called screen filter. Don't really know too much about it other than it works fantastically well and its free. Reduces brightness to almost nothing if you want, and the app functions as a widget for toggling as well.
I've been going around posting this in as many places as i can because this freaking app really helped me out, I could hardly look at the screen in the dark at all but now its good to go. Hopefully help some new galaxy purchasers out.
You can't go into minus values but you can set it to 0, which is 1 above the screen actually being off.
You need to be rooted, then you can just adjust the value with adb.
mr_schticker said:
The app is called screen filter. Don't really know too much about it other than it works fantastically well and its free. Reduces brightness to almost nothing if you want, and the app functions as a widget for toggling as well.
I've been going around posting this in as many places as i can because this freaking app really helped me out, I could hardly look at the screen in the dark at all but now its good to go. Hopefully help some new galaxy purchasers out.
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Screen filter works amazing! This is exactly what I was looking for, Thanks.
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[DISCUSS] Screen brightness sensor a joke!!

Sending this straight back, I cannot believe there is no option to disable auto brightness settings on this heap of ++++.
It has got a mind of its own and is extremely annoying to suddenly see the screen get dim and bright every 5 seconds without any change in actual lighting condition...it makes the phone almost unusable.
Hope someone can make a hack for this soon.
hawrai68 said:
Sending this straight back, I cannot believe there is no option to disable auto brightness settings on this heap of ++++.
It has got a mind of its own and is extremely annoying to suddenly see the screen get dim and bright every 5 seconds without any change in actual lighting condition...it makes the phone almost unusable.
Hope someone can make a hack for this soon.
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Yes, totally a reason to send it back, software bug on a phone with a unlockable bootloader. Hope your next one doesn't have any real issues
Maybe this was the software bug vodafone was saying?
http://www.google.com/search?client...rceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
sure you can't find a solution? It must be somewhere in the settings (I'm no android expert though).
It's not a "software bug", it's SE dictating to us that in order for the paltry battery to last a day, we need to use it in the dark, or disco mode!
hawrai68 said:
It's not a "software bug", it's SE dictating to us that in order for the paltry battery to last a day, we need to use it in the dark, or disco mode!
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and apps force closing are just the man keeping us down!
... unless the sensor it's self is dicked, then it can be fixed in software, even if it is dicked, it can be completely disabled.... just cool your jets.
well i report no such shinanigans happening on my phone! i can see the light sensor in action when i cover it with my thumb, it works really well and the gradient of fading and lighting up is the best i've seen on any phone so far! i dont notice it when using it normally.
you must have a faulty one....
johnsongrantr said:
and apps force closing are just the man keeping us down!
... unless the sensor it's self is dicked, then it can be fixed in software, even if it is dicked, it can be completely disabled.... just cool your jets.
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How can I disable it?...Why not have a simple option like other phones?
hawrai68 said:
It's not a "software bug", it's SE dictating to us that in order for the paltry battery to last a day, we need to use it in the dark, or disco mode!
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They have to stop the complaints some how, at least the speakers are not gimped
Thought I'd mention that I have no such problem with my device.
I'm very happy with the screen. Especially good as I moved from a nexus one.
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Can't you install brightness level from the market to controll the auto brightness ?
Wanna control your brightness levels quick and easy? I use a very slick widget called Dazzle. It has every option you can think of to control just about everything on your phone. Give it a try.
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I don't seem to have auto-brightness, do have a slide in the settings to ste brightness though, on highest I can easely see in the sun and it hurts in the dark, on the lowest settings it's hard to read at night.
A Dutch review actually mentioned a lack of auto-brightness as one of the downsides to this device.
svenk919 said:
I don't seem to have auto-brightness, do have a slide in the settings to ste brightness though, on highest I can easely see in the sun and it hurts in the dark, on the lowest settings it's hard to read at night.
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Hello? Use Dazzle.
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svenk919 said:
I don't seem to have auto-brightness, do have a slide in the settings to ste brightness though, on highest I can easely see in the sun and it hurts in the dark, on the lowest settings it's hard to read at night.
A Dutch review actually mentioned a lack of auto-brightness as one of the downsides to this device.
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It does have Auto Brightness as if you put a finger over the light sensor the phone screens dim.
The phone had an update pending the day I purchased it so most of the reviews I have seen are out of date. This phone is excellent at playing games.
Techdread said:
It does have Auto Brightness as if you put a finger over the light sensor the phone screens dim.
The phone had an update pending the day I purchased it so most of the reviews I have seen are out of date. This phone is excellent at playing games.
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I hear that. In love with my Xperia Play.
Guys can someone tell me. A lot of reviews say that the screen is very dim even on max setting and a lot of reviews say the exact opposite. So what is it?
Mine is perfect in the sun. I'm starting to think there are 2 types of screens involved, anyway to check what screen you have without opening the device up?
Screen brightness is ok for me, but just remarked the display have some ghosting issues. Slide beetween programs screens and observe carrefully the icons.... with red "Adresse" one this is very visible. i can't belive sony use a high response time display on a gamer device.

Having problem with auto brightness

I got note 3 days ago. I notice that The brightness always jumping, sometime happen with open application with white background.
Wonder any one have the same problem or just me. I'm on the KJ4 Kernel
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I have the same problem
I got the same kernel but without the auto brightness jump you are experiencing, unless I move my hand over the camera.
I suggest goto Settings --> Display and un-tick "Auto adjust screen power" if it's on and see if that makes any difference.
Auto-brightness is hopeless anyway, turn it off, as well as the setting Bigmile mentioned. Then, to make quick on-the-fly adjustments to your Note's brightness long press in the notifications area and slide left and right till you get the brightness you want. Much better way IMO.
NZtechfreak said:
Then, to make quick on-the-fly adjustments to your Note's brightness long press in the notifications area and slide left and right till you get the brightness you want. Much better way IMO.
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Well I never knew that you could do that. That's well clever. Thanks mate.
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Galaxy S and SII were the same, but still surprisingly little known feature.
NZtechfreak said:
Auto-brightness is hopeless anyway, turn it off, as well as the setting Bigmile mentioned. Then, to make quick on-the-fly adjustments to your Note's brightness long press in the notifications area and slide left and right till you get the brightness you want. Much better way IMO.
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Just switch from iPhone. IPhone have perfect auto brightness adjustment. However I still like the note very mush as it have nice BIG screen.
Hope it will fix in future update anyway.
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duoshock said:
I got note 3 days ago. I notice that The brightness always jumping, sometime happen with open application with white background.
Wonder any one have the same problem or just me. I'm on the KJ4 Kernel
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define applications with white backgrounds?
if youre referring to the browser, it has its own independent brightness setting that can be adjusted inside the browser.
NZtechfreak said:
Auto-brightness is hopeless anyway, turn it off, as well as the setting Bigmile mentioned. Then, to make quick on-the-fly adjustments to your Note's brightness long press in the notifications area and slide left and right till you get the brightness you want. Much better way IMO.
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I call my self an enthusiast and I didn't knew that? Well, the saying "You learn something new every day" is proven once more.
Been using android since launch(I guess it was implemented on GB?) and I admit I NEVER thought of sliding the notification bar icons neihter left or right in the way NZtechfreak suggested.
It's possible that I might have done it by accident, but even IF I did, I did not even noticed it. You got my Thanks.

Screen flickering in direct sunlight?

Hello,
I picked up my GS4 about a week ago but haven't really used it in direct sunlight until today. I was outside, and the sun was shining brightly on the screen. Home screen was fine, and darker images were ok, but if I were to go to an app with a primarily white background, or open up something which used the keyboard (texting) the screen would flicker pretty noticeably. Brightness is all the way up, and auto tone was off.
Has anyone else seen this?
yup this is normal esp when using the keyboard.
Im not sure if it will be fixed.
orlandoxpolice said:
Hello,
I picked up my GS4 about a week ago but haven't really used it in direct sunlight until today. I was outside, and the sun was shining brightly on the screen. Home screen was fine, and darker images were ok, but if I were to go to an app with a primarily white background, or open up something which used the keyboard (texting) the screen would flicker pretty noticeably. Brightness is all the way up, and auto tone was off.
Has anyone else seen this?
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richard371 said:
Im not sure if it will be fixed.
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I guess my question is, is this a hardware issue with many GS4's or a minority. I came across a thread on the Tmobile GS4 forum where people were experiencing it, but it seems not everyone is.
orlandoxpolice said:
I guess my question is, is this a hardware issue with many GS4's or a minority. I came across a thread on the Tmobile GS4 forum where people were experiencing it, but it seems not everyone is.
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I actually noticed for the first time today too..
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Its a hardware thing, but also its only in touchwiz so a developer might be able to turn it off so to speak.
It adjusts the color and tone no matter what to save the display from overheating and or burning in...
Does it a lot and I notice it cause im weird about those kinds of things.
If you use CM 10.1 or AOKP its gone.
ive made some progress with the RGB light meter on this; hoping a friend can write up some code so we can test out a 'smoothed out' transition and sampling rate and one that is sped up, averaged faster, but will take up more CPU and RAM and battery but more accurate.
here is another thread regarding it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280715
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284726
Maybe if someone who is using CM10 or AOKP could test it to see if it is a software issues and not a hardware issue?
edit: slade and jet replied while I was writing this...thanks for the info. looks like it is touchwiz related.
edit2: just went out in the sun again to test a lot of different options in the display settings (which none worked) but is seems it is only happening when the keyboard is enabled. I am using swiftkey.
yeah TW and that sensor communicate; i believe the sensor itself probably works better ALONE, but TW changes it and throttles it for either battery or screen safety.
It is always dependent on what is being pulled up on the screen, though it can be mitigated quite a bit if you disable all power saving and screen auto features, and leave brightness under 80% or so.
yea anything under 80% in direct sun is basically black. all power saving and screen auto modes were disabled. i covered up all of the sensors too and it still flickered....
orlandoxpolice said:
yea anything under 80% in direct sun is basically black. all power saving and screen auto modes were disabled. i covered up all of the sensors too and it still flickered....
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Not just a sensor thing per-say.
It's hard to explain, they most likely did it because they didn't want the amoled to burn in.
Its the same reason why the brightness goes up another 34% or so on auto above the max brightness. Only uses it when needed to save the screen and battery.
Does it on youtube too btw, bring up a video on wide screen then tap it and you'll see the drastic color shift
I noticed this thing when I got my phone also. I thought I was just imagining it but I guess it's an actual problem
geoldr said:
I noticed this thing when I got my phone also. I thought I was just imagining it but I guess it's an actual problem
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'its not a problem, its a feature'
-Steve Jobs
Seriously its about power handling/battery saving and white balance, but its noticeable, and annoying.
Slade8525 said:
'its not a problem, its a feature'
-Steve Jobs
Seriously its about power handling/battery saving and white balance, but its noticeable, and annoying.
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Yep, looking into a whole bunch of stuff, just installed ubuntu so maybe I can compile something; gonna look deep into the framework.
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Yep, looking into a whole bunch of stuff, just installed ubuntu so maybe I can compile something; gonna look deep into the framework.
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Thanks, let me know if you figure anything out.
Open camera in direct sun and it flickers too..
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This is so annoying. Does anyone on touch wiz not experience this?
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This is so annoying. Does anyone on touch wiz not experience this?
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No that's not possible, its hard coded into touchwiz, this isn't a bug or anything...
If people say they don't have it; they're not noticing it.
jetlitheone said:
No that's not possible, its hard coded into touchwiz, this isn't a bug or anything...
If people say they don't have it; they're not noticing it.
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Gotcha
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Thought my eyes were going crazy. Mine does this too. It even did it once under some fluorescent lights. It's not annoying enough to matter but it would be cool if it gets fixed.

Let's figure out how to remove the sharpening.

So I saw this in the build prop
"qualcomm sensors enable
#
# LGE CHANGE_S, 2013-10-29, [email protected]
# below sensor is default true by HAL source.
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.qmd=true
#ro.qc.sdk.sensors.gestures=true
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.pedometer=true
#ro.qc.sensors.step_detector=true
#ro.qc.sensors.step_counter=true
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.pam=true
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.scrn_ortn=true
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.smd=true
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.game_rv=true
#ro.qualcomm.sensors.georv=true
# LGE CHANGE_E, 2013-10-29, [email protected]"
Not sure if anything there can help, but I know that the sharpening is applied when there's something light on a dark background or vice versa and also if you have any type of floating menu it'll sharpen everything in the background.
Samsung does this as well but as far as I know only in multi window mode.
Its not a screen issue as its not always apparent. And as far as I know the oppo find 7 has the same panel and doesn't exhibit these effects.
So anyone have any ideas?
Kernel related ?
Display drivers?
Maybe we should all email lg and ask them for an option to remove it.
Just fyi oppo use japan display inc panel while lg use their own panel
I think the only way to defeat the sharpening is with a custom kernel and possibly an app to tweak the display unless LG of course turn this 'feature' off in the future themselves via an OTA update.
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I think the only way to defeat the sharpening is with a custom kernel and possibly an app to tweak the display unless LG of course turn this 'feature' off in the future themselves via an OTA update.
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Hope they do. Its pointless.
So anyways I came across another thing.
If you tune the display with a kernel app as in colors. If you tune all the colors down and make the colors darker and such, everything will have the sharpening applied. So it seems like the software sees that and applies it to everything.
Hoping it's just kernel
Lostatsea23 said:
Hope they do. Its pointless.
So anyways I came across another thing.
If you tune the display with a kernel app as in colors. If you tune all the colors down and make the colors darker and such, everything will have the sharpening applied. So it seems like the software sees that and applies it to everything.
Hoping it's just kernel
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I am just guessing as I am not a developer by any shape of the imagination but this sounds like it's built into the OS so possibly a tweak to prevent this behaviour from getting triggered which will turn off the sharpening effect.
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I am just guessing as I am not a developer by any shape of the imagination but this sounds like it's built into the OS so possibly a tweak to prevent this behaviour from getting triggered which will turn off the sharpening effect.
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Yes I think so. If someone can baksmali the ROM maybe they can find something. Id get in touch with a Dev but as this time it seems like no one owns the device.
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Yes I think so. If someone can baksmali the ROM maybe they can find something. Id get in touch with a Dev but as this time it seems like no one owns the device.
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When it finally rolls out to the USA then I think it will get better dev support.
I'll have the device soon, but I'm not sure we're able to turn it off since it may be the part of the driver. Haven't done it yet, but if we can debug the running code and binary patch the trigger effect into not signaling, we may fix it. If it IS a trigger at all; e.g. we should find when it does signal the driver/gpu to apply sharpening and just switch code from JE to JNE or similar to kill the trigger and never apply it.
Theoretically.
Hopefully LG can turn it off and not a hardware combo issue with the 801 and this particular display tech.
It can be turned off. They purposely added it
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It can be turned off. They purposely added it
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I wonder if anyone knows the purpose. Because any sane person would turn it off after seeing it in action.
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I wonder if anyone knows the purpose. Because any sane person would turn it off after seeing it in action.
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The purpose is either, they want to emphasize the need for it so they make things extra sharp over 1080p not realizing it actually looks worse when its sharpened. Or its because the contrast ratio is low so to do that they sharpened it in areas where it would be more noticeable to make it more legible. Again, doesn't really help.
On the galaxy phones it would produce this on multi window mode as stated and when putting a cm ROM on it you wouldn't get any of that since there's no window mode. But... If you go into screen settings and change the screen aliasing type or whatever, if you change from standard to reading mode it would make the display sharp exactly like we see on this one. So once we get kernel support for screen modes (cm adds modes such as movie mode and sharpness ect) then we should be fine.
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The purpose is either, they want to emphasize the need for it so they make things extra sharp over 1080p not realizing it actually looks worse when its sharpened. Or its because the contrast ratio is low so to do that they sharpened it in areas where it would be more noticeable to make it more legible. Again, doesn't really help.
On the galaxy phones it would produce this on multi window mode as stated and when putting a cm ROM on it you wouldn't get any of that since there's no window mode. But... If you go into screen settings and change the screen aliasing type or whatever, if you change from standard to reading mode it would make the display sharp exactly like we see on this one. So once we get kernel support for screen modes (cm adds modes such as movie mode and sharpness ect) then we should be fine.
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Well, I don't believe a whole bunch of smart engineers, designers and such in dev and QA would not notice it sucks...
And for screen modes, after so much hassle, I hope and expect LG is preparing us a "turn bloody thing off" setting...
Well once it comes out in the states I will be contacting some devs about it. We need a boot loader unlock as well though
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I wonder if anyone knows the purpose. Because any sane person would turn it off after seeing it in action.
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Without seeing it in person, it probably was added to make their simple UI have more of a pop to it. They were probably trying to make it stand out more in stores, like how tvs usually have horrible settings when on display at a store.
flaring afro said:
Without seeing it in person, it probably was added to make their simple UI have more of a pop to it. They were probably trying to make it stand out more in stores, like how tvs usually have horrible settings when on display at a store.
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They're dumb because it makes it look worse. In almost positive a fix will be found. If anything maybe the carrier releases will have this fixed already.
Guess what...
I installed bravia engine v3 from Android Tweaker 2 and...
I think my display is more clear and the sharpening is slightly gone!
You guys better try it and tell your impression
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haris182 said:
Guess what...
I installed bravia engine v3 from Android Tweaker 2 and...
I think my display is more clear and the sharpening is slightly gone!
You guys better try it and tell your impression
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Nope. Exactly the same. Placebo
Sugar pills taste so good
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Sugar pills taste so good
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Lol. If an update to remove this isn't out in the next couple weeks. Bye bye G3

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