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UPDATE: I have tested this build with a "virgin" GMail account, and the entire Donut Market shows up just fine!
If you're using Donut for the first time, I recommend download the file from my link here, until it gets posted on the vogue-hero site. At that point, I will be taking this link down, so as not to convolute things.
Download here: http://code.google.com/p/vogue-hero/
Hopefully Zenulator will grab this fixed system.sqsh and put it up on his vogue-hero google code page so that this bug doesn't affect anyone further.
Of course credit to this build goes 99% to Zenulator, as all I did was take his donut build modify a file here and a permission there.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Good news folks, after logging into this build with my "virgin" GMail account, and downloading a bunch of Market apps, I went back to my "corrupted" GMail account, and the Market all showed up like it should. Hurrah! Step by step, here's what I did:
- Loaded up this build
- Logged in with an uncorrupted GMail account (that is, an account that had never logged into Donut before)
- Loaded up the Market, downloaded a bunch of apps and games I wanted
- Went to Home-> Settings-> Applications-> Manage Applications
- Cleared the data/cache for the following apps: GMail, GMail Storage, GoogleApps, Google Settings Provider
- Did a Force Quit on the Market app (but did NOT clear the cache... I don't know how important this step is, but it's what I did)
- Clicked on GMail, and since I had cleared the cache/data, it asked me to sign into my Google Account again, so I used my previous, corrupted GMail account
- Went back to Market, and everything was there.
Thanks, craig0r! *waits*
craig0r said:
As some people have noticed, on the latest donut-ion build, when you go into the Market, you only see 20-30 apps and games. And even when you go back into Cupcake, this issue remains, unless you create a new GMail account and use that. But who wants to migrate their gmail accounts and inform all their contacts that they've got a new email address. No one, that's who.
So, I've managed to make a new donut build that *appears* to have fixed the Donut Market losing all but 20-30 apps. I'm scrolling through "All Applications" and watching more and more apps load right now. I will post this build shortly, I want to test it out a bit. Also, I've just done a couple of other fixes that I think may fix the remaining audio issues. Then again, it may not. Once I've tested these things, I'll put it up somewhere and update this thread.
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Sweet a$$.... if Market + Audio gets fixed the only real remaining issue is end button (home, then sleep doesn't work). Can't wait!!!
Alright... it's not as exciting as I first though. Yes, as soon as I loaded the new build up I had a lot more apps in the Market. I thought this to mean everything was magically fixed. It's not. However, as someone mentioned in another thread, the apps seem to come back slowly over time, as long as you're using the Donut build. I'm not sure if this build accelerates that process or not. If you've been affected by the Donut Market Corruption bug, I suggest trying this build out and seeing if it makes a difference for you, and report back here. I pulled the fingerprint setting from a Sapphire donut build that seems to have a working Market.
That being said, this build *MIGHT* fix the Donut Market for anyone using Donut for the first time. If anyone has a second GMail account that they want to test this build with (a Donut-virgin GMail account) I would love to hear feedback as to whether the entire Market shows up properly.
Here's the link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/289872967/system-donut-market-fix.sqsh
*NOTE: The audio fixes I was trying to implement need to be applied to the rootfs. I'm waiting to hear back from zenulator about the command I should use to re-create the rootfs.img file... unless there's someone else who knows what command I should use.
there's no commands to rebuild it.
Simply make a mount
mkdir /mnt/rootfs
Mount it
mount -o loop rootfs.img /mnt/rootfs
add or replace whichever files you need, donut libs go in their own folder, and unmount
umount /mnt/rootfs.
Whammo, you're done.
mssmison said:
there's no commands to rebuild it.
Simply make a mount
mkdir /mnt/rootfs
Mount it
mount -o loop rootfs.img /mnt/rootfs
add or replace whichever files you need, donut libs go in their own folder, and unmount
umount /mnt/rootfs.
Whammo, you're done.
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The issue is that I'm adding a file to the rootfs, and it tells me "No space left on device" so it seems like I have to rebuild it.
than you need to remove some stuff, if it's just lib's your changing you just have to add them to the system/lib folder and delete the ones in the rootfs lib folder.
thanks for the fix craig0r i'll take a look and put it up at vogue-hero.
than you need to remove some stuff, if it's just lib's your changing you just have to add them to the system/lib folder and delete the ones in the rootfs lib folder.
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Does vice versa work, too? I mean if i got the libs in the rootfs are they needed in the systen image? Or can i remove them to save place?
JeckyllHavok said:
Does vice versa work, too? I mean if i got the libs in the rootfs are they needed in the systen image? Or can i remove them to save place?
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I'm not sure about that specifically, but I tried moving libsoundpool.so (which I saw errors about during a logcat) into rootfs/lib/donut, and it just caused more issues. So if that's what you were planning on doing, I wouldn't worry about it.
Someone else can probably answer your question better though. From my limited experience with rootfs, moving libraries between rootfs and system arbitrarily seems to cause boot problems. At least in my case.
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ANOTHER UPDATE: Good news folks, after logging into this build with my "virgin" GMail account, and downloading a bunch of Market apps, I went back to my "corrupted" GMail account, and the Market all showed up like it should. Hurrah! Step by step, here's what I did:
- Loaded up this build
- Logged in with an uncorrupted GMail account (that is, an account that had never logged into Donut before)
- Loaded up the Market, downloaded a bunch of apps and games I wanted
- Went to Home-> Settings-> Applications-> Manage Applications
- Cleared the data/cache for the following apps: GMail, GMail Storage, GoogleApps, Google Settings Provider
- Did a Force Quit on the Market app (but did NOT clear the cache... I don't know how important this step is, but it's what I did)
- Clicked on GMail, and since I had cleared the cache/data, it asked me to sign into my Google Account again, so I used my previous, corrupted GMail account
- Went back to Market, and everything was there.
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I created a new account instead of signing in with an existing account and the market definitely has more apps, but it still does not look like all of them. Can someone tell me how many apps they are seeing under "communication"? I am only seeing 4 apps. I see nothing in comics, health, news, shopping and themes and I see one app in some of the other categories. Is this what the rest of you are seeing? Should I be patient because more may start showing up over the next few days?
I am going to try the rest of your walkthru and see if I can get at least this many apps on my regular google account.
UPDATE: I logged in with my regular google account and was able to see the same number of apps as my test account. I did notice that a couple of apps (Appmanager, Locale, Sudoku Free, and SportsTap) got added to my market. These are apps that I've had installed/downloaded in cupcake. So now I have two apps (SportsTap and Wapedia) listed on the main "Featured" screen. I am really hoping that more get added.
skajaqueda said:
I created a new account instead of signing in with an existing account and the market definitely has more apps, but it still does not look like all of them. Can someone tell me how many apps they are seeing under "communication"? I am only seeing 4 apps. I see nothing in comics, health, news, shopping and themes and I see one app in some of the other categories. Is this what the rest of you are seeing? Should I be patient because more may start showing up over the next few days?
I am going to try the rest of your walkthru and see if I can get at least this many apps on my regular google account.
UPDATE: I logged in with my regular google account and was able to see the same number of apps as my test account. I did notice that a couple of apps (Appmanager, Locale, Sudoku Free, and SportsTap) got added to my market. These are apps that I've had installed/downloaded in cupcake. So now I have two apps (SportsTap and Wapedia) listed on the main "Featured" screen. I am really hoping that more get added.
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Well, presuming that your test account had never logged into Donut before on the Vogue, the only other thing I can think of is that it might be location and/or carrier related. Where are you located and who's your provider? Maybe someone else in your region can verify.
I'm on Telus in Canada, and I get the whole market with this method, with the exception of the paid apps. Once Market Enabler works with Donut, we should be able to get the paid apps too.
craig0r said:
Well, presuming that your test account had never logged into Donut before on the Vogue, the only other thing I can think of is that it might be location and/or carrier related. Where are you located and who's your provider? Maybe someone else in your region can verify.
I'm on Telus in Canada, and I get the whole market with this method, with the exception of the paid apps. Once Market Enabler works with Donut, we should be able to get the paid apps too.
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I am on Verizon in the Northeast US (Connecticut).
skajaqueda said:
I am on Verizon in the Northeast US (Connecticut).
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Well hopefully someone else on Verizon in the US can give us some info on this.
craig0r said:
Well hopefully someone else on Verizon in the US can give us some info on this.
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hey, sorry i never pm'd you back. so was it a setting in the build.prop or what?? i would like to implement this into other builds as well. now i only see 18 apps in every build i run. thanks
jamezelle said:
hey, sorry i never pm'd you back. so was it a setting in the build.prop or what?? i would like to implement this into other builds as well. now i only see 18 apps in every build i run. thanks
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as long as you have release keys in the build.prop you should be good. you're account is prob already affected by the bug and thats why all the apps aren't showing even in non donut builds. hero/ion based builds should already have release keys. also i already had a donut build out with release keys but didn't push it because the ion build was faster i just didn't realize it had the test keys still in there because my market was already messed up. the fix does work for new accounts and old accounts that weren't showing that many apps now show more but still not all of them.
zenulator said:
as long as you have release keys in the build.prop you should be good. you're account is prob already affected by the bug and thats why all the apps aren't showing even in non donut builds. hero/ion based builds should already have release keys. also i already had a donut build out with release keys but didn't push it because the ion build was faster i just didn't realize it had the test keys still in there because my market was already messed up. the fix does work for new accounts and old accounts that weren't showing that many apps now show more but still not all of them.
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So, if we get an Android phone and use our current account on it would it show only some of the apps or is this just in our builds?
fireshaper said:
So, if we get an Android phone and use our current account on it would it show only some of the apps or is this just in our builds?
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Until one of us gets a real Android phone, we can only speculate. I am getting one next month, and will be sure to keep the community informed.
fireshaper said:
So, if we get an Android phone and use our current account on it would it show only some of the apps or is this just in our builds?
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i'm pretty sure you'll see all the apps since your paying for the google experience if not a call to the right places will fix the situation.
craig0r said:
Until one of us gets a real Android phone, we can only speculate. I am getting one next month, and will be sure to keep the community informed.
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I am planning on getting one next month too, that's why I ask Moto Sholes/Tao/Droid FTW!
After going through the run around to get my phone rooted so I can removed the bloatware that came pre-installed on it (and after all this trouble I will say that I will never get another phone with MotoBlur on it ever again) I realize that I am ignorant in what could be considered it and what I may think is but is vital to the system.
*before I list what I think is bloatware I will say that I have backed up EVERYTHING on my phone so if something was to go wrong, I can always restore -- I also have the option to freeze the application, but I want to free up space on my phone as well*
Items in bold are the ones I am sure about, items in red I'm pretty sure shouldn't be removed, all others I don't know.
Account and Sync Settings
Accounts
Accounts Storage
Admin Notifier
AdService
Alarm & Timer
[*]Android Keyboard
Android Live Wallpaper
AT&T Address Book
[*]AT&T FamilyMap
[*]AT&T Music
[*]AT&T Navigator
[*]AT&T Wi-Fi Hot Spots
AtCommandService
Battery Manager
[*]Bluetooth Share
[*]BluetoothDun
blur.res
Browser Plugin
BrowserMessage
[*]Calculator
Calendar
Camera
[*]Certificate Installer
[*]Checkin Service
[*]com.android.providers.applications
[*]com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts
[*]com.motorola.android.dm.plugin.im
[*]com.motorola.android.omadrm
[*]com.motorola.android.syncml.service
[*]com.motorola.android.wmdrm.dla
[*]com.motorola.atcmd.plugin
[*]com.motorola.atcmd.plugin.att
[*]com.motorola.phoneaddons
Compass Calibrator
[*]Contacts
[*]Contacts New Storage
[*]Contacts Sync
[*]ContactsData
[*]ContactsUnconnected
Cool Down Mode
[*]Data Manager
[*]Data Manager Service
[*]Date and Time
DMService
[*]Download Manager
DRM Protected Content Storage
Email
Email Engine
FMRadioService
FOTA
Gallery
Global Unplug
Gmail
Gmail Storage
Google Apps
Google Partner Setup
Google Search (Enhanced)
Google Search
Google Settings Provider
Google Talk Service
Google Talk Storage
Help Center
Home
HTML Viewer
[*]IM
[*]ImOfflineService
KODACK PERFECT TOUCH
Live Wallpaper Picker
LocationProxyDmPlugin
Magic Smoke Wallpapers
[*]Manage SIM Card
Maps
[*]Market
[*]Market Updater
Master Clear Error Reporter
Media audio Effects
MediaSync
Messages
Messaging
[*]Mobile Banking
[*]Mobile Video
[*]MobiTV
[*]MotoBlur Calendar Service
[*]MotoBlur Megamaid
[*]MotoBlur Services
[*]MOTOBLUR Social Sharing
[*]MotoBlur Storage Monitor
[*]MtlrDialog
Music
Music Visualization Wallpapers
My Uploads
Network Location
[*]News
OMA Client Provisioning
OMA Download
Package Installer
Phone Portal
Photo Workshop
Pico TTS
Policy Manager Service
Policy Manager Service (yes, it was listed twice)
Quick Contact
Quick Search Box
Quick Tutorial
Quickoffice
Rich Clipboard
[*]Settings Storage
[*]Setup Wizard
[*]SIM Toolkit
[*]Social Messaging
[*]Social Messaging Service
[*]Social Networking
[*]Social Status
Sound Recorder
Sticky Note
Street View
Sync Feeds
[*]Talk
[*]TalkBack
[*]Task Manager
[*]Terminal Emulator
Text Messaging
Toggle Widgets
TTS Service
Universal Inbox
[*]Updater
[*]Upgrader
[*]usb
Video Editor Lite
Video Player
[*]Vlingo Voice
Voice Dialer
Voice Search
VPN Services
[*]Weather
[*]WHERE
WmdrmPushReciever
Work Contacts
[*]YouTube
[*]YPmobile
First off let me be clear. ... i am not an expert. If i was i would not have a motoblur phone. I am just a chump who ended up with one. I am someone trying to make the best of what i have. Don't do what i say or you may break your phone. All i can say is what i have tried and kind of what happened. My shorthand below is
Rok means i removed it and nothing unexpected seemed to happen.
? Means i have not tried it and or i think it would be risky to remove.
N means i just don't think its ok to remove.
I go into a little more detail on some of them.
Bottom line is if it has blur in its name then removing it is taking your phones life in your own hands.
My son found a stock rom that i have reflashed my phone with after i broke it by removing wrong stuff. I don't have the same phone as you though. Hunt and find a stock rom so you can fix your flubs.
NOTE: use ti backups and freeze system apps. If its a mistake just unfreeze. Removing and restoring system apps may not work out like you think....take it from someone who found out the hard way. If after freezing a while all seems ok then think about removing.
n Account and Sync Settings
n Accounts
n Accounts Storage
n Admin Notifier
rok AdService
n Alarm & Timer
n Android Keyboard
rok Android Live Wallpaper
n AtCommandService
n Battery Manager
n Bluetooth Share
n BluetoothDun
n blur.res
n Browser Plugin
n BrowserMessage
rok Calculator
rok Calendar
not removed but should be ok Camera
n Certificate Installer
n Checkin Service
n com.android.providers.applications
n com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts
? Maybe com.motorola.android.dm.plugin.im
? com.motorola.android.omadrm
? com.motorola.android.syncml.service
? com.motorola.android.wmdrm.dla
? com.motorola.atcmd.plugin
? com.motorola.atcmd.plugin.att
? com.motorola.phoneaddons
rnok broke something. Cant remember what. Compass Calibrator
? Contacts
? Contacts New Storage
? Contacts Sync
? ContactsData
? ContactsUnconnected
? Cool Down Mode
? Data Manager
? Data Manager Service
n Date and Time
? Dont think so. DMService
? See above. Download Manager
? DRM Protected Content Storage
no. Breaks text msg. Email
see above. Email Engine
? Should be ok to remove. FMRadioService
? FOTA
not tried but should be ok. Gallery
n Global Unplug
rok Gmail
rok Gmail Storage
? Dont think so but untried. Google Apps
? See above. Google Partner Setup
? Untried because i use it. Google Search (Enhanced)
? See above. Google Search
unsure. Cant remember seeing this one. Google Settings Provider
do not remove. Breaks market and misc stuff seemingly unconnected. Google Talk Service
not ok Google Talk Storage
? Never tried. Wanted it. Help Center
dont remove. Install a replacement. I use adw launcher (may be awd launcher) first remove all icons and widgets) Home
? Dont know what its for yet. HTML Viewer
rok IM
rok ImOfflineService
not ok. It is used by pics and or camera. Makes them better. If dont use camera or pics then might be ok to remove. KODACK PERFECT TOUCH
broke something and caused fc. Live Wallpaper Picker
? LocationProxyDmPlugin
rok Magic Smoke Wallpapers
not tried. Use it. Manage SIM Card
rok but it is google maps. Maps
not tried. I use it. Market
see above. Market Updater
dont remember seeing this one. Master Clear Error Reporter
not tried. I use it. Media audio Effects
? MediaSync
i use it. Messages
i use it. Messaging
i dont have it. Bet its ok to go. Mobile Banking
? Been scared to try ha. Mobile Video
dont have it but bet its ok to go. MobiTV
? MotoBlur Calendar Service
? MotoBlur Megamaid
? MotoBlur Services
i froze it. Nothing seemed to break. MOTOBLUR Social Sharing
? MotoBlur Storage Monitor
dont remember it. MtlrDialog
i use it but bet its good to go. Music
dont remember this one. Music Visualization Wallpapers
? My Uploads
? Think you need it. Network Location
rok News
? OMA Client Provisioning
? OMA Download
need it. Package Installer
prob want to keep. Phone Portal
prob want to keep but prob ok to go. Photo Workshop
? Think its used by voice to text but unsure. Pico TTS
keep. Policy Manager Service
pretty sure you want. Quick Contact
i use. Quick Search Box
rok Quick Tutorial
rok but handy until you find something better. Quickoffice
untried. I use it. Rich Clipboard
? Settings Storage
prob want to keep. Setup Wizard
i use. SIM Toolkit
rok Social Messaging
rok Social Messaging Service
rok Social Networking
rok Social Status
prob want but prob ok to go. Sound Recorder
dont remember this. Sticky Note
used by maps. If you delete maps you may as well delete this. Street View
? Sync Feeds
not ok. Breaks misc stuff. Talk
? Figure it goes with talk so untried. TalkBack
? Cant remember. Task Manager
i never tried to remove because i use it. Better keep it. Very small and you may need it. Terminal Emulator
i use it. Text Messaging
i use it. Could go but bet you use it. Toggle Widgets
text to speech. Best keep. TTS Service
untried but think it would break texting. Universal Inbox
? Updater
? Upgrader
keep. usb
? Plan to try remove soon. Video Editor Lite
? See above. Video Player
dont remember. Vlingo Voice
i tried it but think it caused probs but not for sure. Ive been told it can go. Voice Dialer
same issue as above. Voice Search
untried. Guess it could go if no plans to use. Think it may break unexpected stuff. VPN Services
rok Weather
dont remember. WHERE
untried but bet you want it. WmdrmPushReciever
? Work Contacts
rok YouTube
dont remember. YPmobile
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If you get Titanium Backup you can 'freeze' any app that you are thinking about removing and try the phone out. A lot easier than fixing it if you remove one you need.
Edit: Sorry - i see that TB has already been mentioned.
Experiments after Froyo
I have the Motorola Flipside, and I actually like the phone (which I selected based on wanting a full hardware keyboard), but the MAJOR flaw is the VERY limited internal phone storage. If it wasn't for that flaw, I would have little interest in replacing the phone. As it is, I have struggled with keeping the phone useful for about a year and a half, but plan to replace it very soon. I actually even like SOME of the MotoBlur features, especially the way it consolidates all of my contacts, but I really only use it for that.
I updated to Froyo during Motorola's smoke testing. The update was welcome, but AT&T and Motorola both loaded EVEN MORE bloat which just exacerbated the space issue. So I have my own list of stuff that I have deleted, which includes the social MotoBlur stuff but keeps the account management and contact sync features.
I'll try to get back here within the next couple of days to list out exactly how I've got things configured. Many of the apps have been changed, consolidated, or dropped, so I'll provide a complete list based on the 2.2.2 update.
... squirrel
i can say u need the home one. if you delete it your home page dissapears and its a pita to get back.
If youre rooted, try link2sd to save the limited spaced on the phone. I used it while I had this phone and never got memory full with over 60 apps.
link2sd and mb508
Yes, link2sd is great, I use and recommend it.
However, it is NOT sufficient to deal with the insanely limited space on the FlipSide. If you do a factory reset with the latest ROM (2.2.2), you will end up with something like 12MB of space. These days there are about 7 updates to the core applications, and you do not have enough space to load the updates.
To make space, you have to use the Link2SD feature of "convert system app to user app" so that it can be linked. But 12MB is not enough space for link2sd to convert any apps.
So load up Titanium backup, too, and delete some AT&T bloatware, then start converting system apps and linking them. This will be enough space for most people. My biggest problem is that I have about 1,500 contacts (I am an activist involved in politics). They take up about 40 MB of data space, and data cannot be linked to SD (really BAD design, IMHO). The only way I am able to make this phone useful is to remove about 90% of my contacts AND do the delete bloatware + link2sd stuff. The phone is functional at that point, but of course much less useful since I have to keep my contact list off-line. Even though I've got my most frequent contacts loaded, I often get phone calls or texts and don't even know who it is.
squ1rr3l said:
Yes, link2sd is great, I use and recommend it.
However, it is NOT sufficient to deal with the insanely limited space on the FlipSide. If you do a factory reset with the latest ROM (2.2.2), you will end up with something like 12MB of space. These days there are about 7 updates to the core applications, and you do not have enough space to load the updates.
To make space, you have to use the Link2SD feature of "convert system app to user app" so that it can be linked. But 12MB is not enough space for link2sd to convert any apps.
So load up Titanium backup, too, and delete some AT&T bloatware, then start converting system apps and linking them. This will be enough space for most people. My biggest problem is that I have about 1,500 contacts (I am an activist involved in politics). They take up about 40 MB of data space, and data cannot be linked to SD (really BAD design, IMHO). The only way I am able to make this phone useful is to remove about 90% of my contacts AND do the delete bloatware + link2sd stuff. The phone is functional at that point, but of course much less useful since I have to keep my contact list off-line. Even though I've got my most frequent contacts loaded, I often get phone calls or texts and don't even know who it is.
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Just install cm7, you have lots of free space and no bloatware to remove! Plus its gingerbread so it gives better battery life. I use it and combined with link2sd, it makes this phone half usable
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supernewbdev said:
Just install cm7, you have lots of free space and no bloatware to remove! Plus its gingerbread so it gives better battery life. I use it and combined with link2sd, it makes this phone half usable
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There is no cm7 available for the FlipSide (MB508).
squ1rr3l said:
There is no cm7 available for the FlipSide (MB508).
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Yes there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517880
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supernewbdev said:
Yes there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517880
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Doesn't always work. Mine will not give me the recovery access needed to install cm7 so that's not always an option. Plus most people want a fully functioning phone and not being able to use 3g and receive phone calls without rebooting or freezing is not, in my eyes anyway, fully functioning.
supernewbdev said:
Yes there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517880
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The link actually says it's for the Sage. One of the guys trying it says:
my findings are... the accelerometer does not work... meaning the screen doesn't change orientation when you turn the phone...
and
the telephone dials out... or rings when called... however... when it attempts to connect... it reboots the phone...
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the camera is still broken
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That seems worse.
Are you using it on the FlipSide?
squ1rr3l said:
The link actually says it's for the Sage. One of the guys trying it says:
That seems worse.
Are you using it on the FlipSide?
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Sage is the developer name for the flipside, like motus is the backflip, olympus is atrix etc. That is correct. But I agree. If most important things aren't working, is there any point in having cm7?
In this same forum as this, the general flipside section, there is a newbie install guide. Use it...
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That seems worse.
Are you using it on the FlipSide?
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Camera seems to work fine for me, the rebooting on call is an issue where you need to force 2G as it has problems with US 3G bands. I don't recall problems with the accelerometer, but to be honest I only use landscape with the keyboard open, which triggers the rotation just fine.
I've moved on to a Captivate Glide now, but I still have the Flipside running CM7 around for a backup and VoIP phone, I can dig it out and toy with it later to check the sensor for sure.
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Just checked, opened a browser and rotation via sensor worked perfectly. If you set ADW Launcher to persist in memory, it won't have the option to rotate based on sensor, so it's possible he thought the sensor wasn't working. I have no idea why, I assume it's a bug, but it's that way on any ADW afaik.
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My biggest problem is that I have about 1,500 contacts (I am an activist involved in politics). They take up about 40 MB of data space, and data cannot be linked to SD (really BAD design, IMHO).
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The massive contact list is why you have so little free space initially, I'd assume... A fresh flash of the latest .sbf had something like 60 MB free, iirc. It might actually be possible to manually symlink your contact database to the sd card, I've not tried it personally but a quick google seems to imply it's possible. Since you've got link2sd set up, it should be fairly straightforward.
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the only bug I have noticed is the data connection being cancelled on call, everything else works for me on the flipside
So, I've been a long time WinMo user and I just switched to Android (the Glacier) Great phone. A lot is foreign to me, though.
I'm a software developer and a Linux user so I'm pretty comfortable finding my way around the Android dev tools and the terminal (although I found it odd that the phone comes with neither a file manager nor a terminal)
Anyhow, I have a few questions:
-I've seen a lot of threads declaring how awesome Android's process management is and how it's bad to kill processes manually. I don't understand this. I've been playing with my phone non-stop for the past few days and on a number of occasions, have met with slow performance and even not-enough-memory prompts. This is usually after installing a dozen (or dozens) of apps back to back and playing with them all. So long as you are aware of the ramifications of killing a particular process, what's wrong with doing so?
-I've rooted my phone. If I ever get an OTA update, would it be a good idea to unroot prior to applying the update?
-When I select "Allow automatic updating" in the Market for my purchased apps, how exactly does that work? Are updates looked for my Android? Are they looked for when the Market is launched? Are those individual apps first loaded and then look for updates?
-I imported my contacts from WinMo Outlook into Google via ActiveSync in order to get them on my phone. Consequently, I have GTalk contacts and stuff on my phone that I don't want. If I delete them from Contacts, will they be deleted from my Google account? That is to say, if I delete [email protected] from my Contacts, will he suddenly disappear from my IM client?
Thanks for your help! I appreciate it!
LOL you see like you I been also using *nix for ages far as I can count 10+ years and I am Unix Admin. When I got MT4G as it was my first AOSP device I was like yourself shocked it didn't have file manager, basic console, or anything.
It seem that if you wanted to do anything it was required you waste your life installing some backward software though Market that claimed it to be freeware but IRL is actually adware. Also if you want anything done it is required you have root lol and if you do want root you void warranty its like whole catch 22 statement to me. So here I am doing what I do best and owned AOSP along with google market.
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So here ill actually answer some of your questions as I didn't want to due to it being very long but hey it might help you out.
1) Far as the process goes as you know in *nix world we have saying "unused memory is wasted memory" same apply as mostly its cached and does not treat it same as in WM. When you "exit" task if you call it exit that is in first place its put on dormant status so if resource is required then its reallocated. This is why you don't exit them forcefully as data may not be synced and saved. In this case my best advice for you is disable service from booting up in first place and also auto close it if it restarts.
2) Don't worry about OTA as you will more likely get update via dev of XDA long before you officially get it though carrier. You have S off so don't worry about it as its no factor.
3) It is tracked via google account and though your carrier I think, I don't know as I didn't ever officially buy single package however I did cURL 8.1gb of paid app archive of market before getting banned. From what I know once app is installed if you have auto update the current version is checked though market to see if any new version is available. Now when you buy app its under your acc so you can use it in diff device or install it many time as you want even if its updated.
4) I can't say about GTalk as I never used but far as AutoSync goes mostly your TMo data and email is synced though Google accounts like gmail.
I see. I can see how task management is rather pointless then, heh. I wonder where my "out of memory" issue came from. Leaky app, perhaps.
Is there a way to rename applications in the "All Programs" list?
Hi,
is it possible to have more than one google account on one Nexus7 device?
(this thread should be at Nexus7 Q&A)
Moved to Nexus 7 Q&A.
EDIT: Never mind, I was wrong, you get the option of choosing which account to use as the person below me has said.
I have a second Google account on my Desire Hd.
Its not much of an issue, when you are using google apps eg. YouTube, G+, Gmail you get a choice of which account you want to use and you can logout and choose the other whenever you want.
Syncing is not a problem either, whichever account you pick when you make changes they will be saved to only that account.
My YouTube widget changes depending on which account i am using when i exit the YouTube app.
Hope this helps
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I use multiple Google accts on my phone (ICS/CM9). Sync'ing, etc works just fine. Whenever it gets to a point where you have to choose the account you want something under, it prompts you. The issue/solution for me for Facebook (for my wife & I) will likely be Friendcaster (which allows multiple accts).
I was thinking more about choosing an user after waking-up the tablet. Just like windows has. One for me, other for my wife.
The perfect solution would be face to unlock, but I don't think it would be avaliable soon.
Tablets feel like windows 98 all over again. I guess this is because of their phone roots (the thought being one user owns a phone). But with tablets, many want to share.
As your example of you and your wife. Or even security. I'm at my bro's and my nephew wants to play with my tablet, and he's pretty responsible, but he could actually start reading/deleting my email, uninstall apps, buy apps via google market. Btw, I expressly choose never to save anything to google wallet, I've only made a few purchases and have been careful of this, but last thing I bought, my credit card info was all ready to go. Sigh.
But yes not only would I like multi-users I would like to make others have limited functionality, as in they can't install/uninstall apps etc. Even a simple thing like letting my nephew play a game I was in the middle of playing, well he cleared all the stages so I have to remember which stage I was on each time I launch it, or clear them all and start over.
But I suspect it'll be this way for a long time.
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I was thinking more about choosing an user after waking-up the tablet. Just like windows has. One for me, other for my wife.
The perfect solution would be face to unlock, but I don't think it would be avaliable soon.
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SwitchMe sounds like what you may be looking for?
N.B. I haven't used it.
Thanks Salty Wagyu for the link. I'm gonna try it as soon as i get me N7. It might be what I'm looking for.
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SwitchMe sounds like what you may be looking for?.
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Wow... I wasn't aware of that app, either. This is from one of the reviews, though:
Log out does not really work like Windows where you log out and then select another user but rather you have to go into the App and say SWITCH user. Once you do SWITCH user, you actually have to wait for the device to reboot into the other user so it is not running multiple instances
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I'd think that if the dev on this app could get help from or work with the devs on the popular launchers, better integration would ensue... Like the review said, though... great start...
I've actually installed this app and ran it. You do have to reboot whenever you "switch" which for me isn't a big deal. I haven't had a chance to mess with it too much yet but it looks like the closest option to running multiple accts. From what I can tell you can add a pic for each profile and u can choose which acct to load which is nice, but the lite version only allows 2 profiles, you have to buy a key for more.
1 caution though, it may mess things up a bit with the play store. I tried buying a key after switching back to my profile, and I got an error saying my order could not be processed try again. I'm going to give it some time & try again in a few hours & see what happens.
Using it now too. Seems pretty cool. Seeing as EVERYONE loves wanting to see your phone. LoL!! There is an experimental switch feature that swtiches without rebooting, but I'm not too sure that's working just yet. LoL!!
I'll give this a try too. It may seem worth it.
And a question for the OP. Is that your comment I seen in the store? About the wife and kids? LoL!! =.P
I noticed that switching to a different profile doesn't retain apps between users. Say for instance on the admin profile (mine), I have Plex purchased and installed. On the newly created profile with a different account, it doesn't show up in the apps page (which makes sense because it's a different account). This could become a problem for those with the 8gb model (like myself) where you might have duplicate apps installed based on the user(s) which would take up more space. I think for the sake of saving space, it may be wise for me to install only maintenance/tool type apps on the admin profile for tablet management, then, anything else (games, productivity etc) can be tied to the newly created profile so that I'm not duplicating installed apps.
Can anyone that has done this estimate how much space an extra profile consumes? My 8 GB nexus 7 stock out of the box has ~5.75 GB available. Will adding a second profile consume another ~2 GB plus any additional apps, data, etc? I'm hoping that some of that 2 GB is due to medium format, and other reserved space...
Let's think a common situation with the N10:
I have a lot of paid apps attached to my gmail account. The first thing I will do with the N10 is create 3 different profiles. Mine, my wife and my daughter. Every one with their own gmail account.
I have read that when one user gets an app from google play that is already installed by other it won't be downloaded again, and that's fine. But what happens with paid apps?
I'm pretty sure another user with other gmail account won't have access to bought apps by a different person in Google Play....
The situation I will face will be very common. I have bought several apps for my daughter (I have an Asus TF101) and I'd like to see them in her profile in the N10.
The only solution I can guess is to add my gmail account as a secondary one in her profile, but to keep things separated won't be a reality.
What do you think?
If it's the same as the n7 I think any users can use the same paid apps on that device, whether they bought it too or not. Much like a pc.
Unless they've changed this it worked with the hack to enable multiple accounts that was embedded in jb before.
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If it's the same as the n7 I think any users can use the same paid apps on that device, whether they bought it too or not. Much like a pc.
Unless they've changed this it worked with the hack to enable multiple accounts that was embedded in jb before.
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That's good news. Let's hope the final version works that way.
That's why I have been purchasing my apps with a seperate family account for a while now. It only has the app licenses and some shared calendar items, which are thus available on my wifes phone and mine. And of course will be on the Nexus 10 on any family profile.
you are talking about several separate things here.
it was stated, that apps that are already installed on the device, but under a different user account, will be available instantly, and do not require to be downloaded again.
that is true, in the android developers office hours emea edition yesterday and last week, this was confirmed. however, it was not clearly stated, what the space requirements are in such a case. obviously, the apk itself must be stored on the device at least once. since all user settings are individual, the shared preferences files will be present twice and all apps that require external data, such as game data on the sd card, must be updated, to not store this data twice. the last point goes especially for apps with expansion apks on the play store, whether apps with data downloads from 3rd party servers (like rockstar games etc.) will work with this model, time will tell.
the way this entire system works, is through encryption and file system permissions.
even the same folder on the sd card, say /sdcard/Music/ can look differently to different users.
Also, up to now, this has not been tested with devices with external sd cards (for obvious reasons) and only works on ext4 file systems.
The licensing question is entirely different from that. the play store, while being able to check a lot of things about you and your device, primarily looks at your google account when you are looking for an app, and the app licenses you buy always are registered to your account (i.e. you as a person), as opposed to your device, which is great, if you are one person with several devices. mixing this system with per device licenses would create a massive issue, as people could just willy nilly create legit play store licenses for apps by adding friends' user accounts on their device with paid apps and the apps would be licensed for the friends as well (again, including all their devices).
of course the same goes for any other play store purchases as well (movies, music, books, in-app purchases etc.)
this has not officially been stated by the android developers office hours, but it only makes sense this way, again, as mixing per-user licensing with per-device licensing would open a hell-hole of piracy.
so, considering, what google officially stated about these things, i would not count on the feature being anywhere similar to the existing multi-user feature of 4.1. if it had been ready and perfected at the time, it would have been published in that state, but after another half a year of work, i expect it to have changed, much like the rest of the os.
if you want all of this information directly from google and in even lengthier explanations, check out the office hours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IeU_sQzl3U&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z92fwFQntG8&feature=plcp
I am willing to bet that the shared APK system is based on the Play Store and might even only work when installed from there. In that case, in order to have an app available on another profile, you would need to "download" it from the store, only that it just registers it as visible somehow. That would require the corresponding google account on every profile using the app.
When it comes to additional files, I guess the "official way" introduced a while back with the two additional archives will be handled just fine, as it is done by the system itself. When the app downloads those themself, we will have to wait and see like you said. The same goes for other files - will I be aple to see e.g. the photos from other profiles? If not by default, can you manage the access rights? Devices with SD cards might prove quite interesting here, but they may as well be handled the simple way: if you use that storage, it is open for all.
However that turns out to work, multi-user will broaden the versatility of tablets, even if some scenarios don't work out as they might be wished or expected.
What I didn't get from your post - are you accusing me of abusing the multi-device functionality? If so, I don't feel ashamed of sharing paid apps with my wife (for now) and children (later on when they get smartphones). We also do not buy separate DVDs for each viewer or multiple instances of books.
Sharing a google account with paid apps with a multitude of friends as you described however could prove quite problematic. Who gets to register his credit card? Who decides which apps are bought? I guess it would be much easier to find a cracked version if unwilling to pay.
no no, i was not accusing you.
i was just presenting the official google standpoint of licensing and that with a per-device licensing in combination with a device with multiple users, it would be possible to create free licenses illegally.
let me elaborate on that, because i meant it entirely different from your last paragraph:
let's say, i have a nexus 10 and have bought a paid app with my account. if that meant, every user on my tablet would inherit an own license from this one purchase, i could theoretically have friends coming over all day, logging into my tablet with their account, and immediately have the right to this paid app (and all my paid apps) as well, so it would be licensed to their account and they could install it on their phones as well. that way, you could create an infinite account of pseudo-legit licenses for apps or generally all play store content. this is the reason, why i think it is impossible that google would use the per-device licensing all of a sudden.
actually, i forgot to mention, your model with a combined family account is actually a good way around such issues.
i am sure, many couples or entire families use this method and it is perfectly fine. at least, the app purchase is legit. sharing one account with two people, especially in this case on one device is something completely different from the fraudulent model i was talking about before.
my entire earlier post was about the question in the op, whether one paid app can be used from multiple accounts and again, technically, legally and morally, no.
i agree with your dvd example, translating that to apps, one account on multiple devices allows multiple app installations and whether both devices are operated by the same person or a couple does not matter.
long story short:
the only difference in the play store experience is that apps that are already installed don't have to be downloaded again (to save time), but the play store will still feel exactly the same, i.e. requiring a purchase for an app, that has not been bought with that account yet.
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I was just asking to prevent misunderstanding.
i could theoretically have friends coming over all day, logging into my tablet with their account, and immediately have the right to this paid app (and all my paid apps) as well, so it would be licensed to their account and they could install it on their phones as well.
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Even if you could just use any app installed by any profile (which as I described above is not the way I assume it will happen), at what point does that enable them to download the app to their devices? That would require them to have your profile (with your account details) on their devices.
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Even if you could just use any app installed by any profile (which as I described above is not the way I assume it will happen), at what point does that enable them to download the app to their devices? That would require them to have your profile (with your account details) on their devices.
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no it wouldn't require them to have your profile in this hypothetical story, here is the thing, as i understood the first couple of posts in this thread, this would be a possible scenario (but isn't):
User A has a phone, let's say a Gnex and a google account [email protected]
User B has a phone, let's say an S3 and a google account [email protected]
User A buys a Nexus 10.
User A logs in and has access to all the same paid apps as on the Gnex.
User B logs in and has access to all the same paid apps as on the S3.
User A installs a free app on the Nexus 10.
User B installs the same free app on the Nexus 10. it does not require another download, it is just there.
(so far, so good, all true, could happen)
User A buys an app from the play store on the Nexus 10.
User B looks at the same app on the play store on the Nexus 10.
(here comes the initial question: will he get this app for free, since it is already installed on the device?)
Situation 1:
User B gets the app for free on the Nexus10, since it is already present on the device, it does not even need to be installed again, it is just there.
User B looks in the play store, the app should now be listed in "My Apps", since it was installed on the device with the account [email protected]
User B gets his S3 and has the same app displayed as purchased on the play store, since he once was able to legitimately install it from his account (on the Nexus 10), which makes it his app on all his devices.
User B installs the paid app on his S3 for free, since it is present on his account.
User B's account gets removed from the Nexus 10.
Rinse and repeat through User Z. 25 free licenses, that can be replicated to all of the users' devices since they get the app transferred to their accounts if they once inherited it on the Nexus 10.
Situation 2:
User A looks at the app on the play store, it costs .99$. He buys it and installs it.
User B looks at the app on the play store, sees it costs him .99$
User B buys the app.
The app gets installed instantly, as it is already present on the device.
All I wanted to say with my two previous 2 posts is:
Situation 1 is never going to happen. Situation 2 is how it's going to be. If User A and User B are 2 separate Google Accounts on the same tablet, they need to buy apps twice.
People tend to confuse the instant install feature with an ability to share apps or transfer apps between accounts, but all it does is save you time and internet traffic. it does not influence paid apps at all. also, apparently, the half implemented multi-user feature in 4.1 gave wrong impressions as well.
P.S. i actually think, we were on the same page all along, just had different approaches to give examples of the situations.
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P.S. i actually think, we were on the same page all along, just had different approaches to give examples of the situations.
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I think so too, and I fully expect to skip the second payment with each profile having the personal and the shared family account.
Exactly. For 2 persons you make 3 accounts. One shared account for paid apps that both use, so you'd just need to purchase them once and 2 individual accounts for the two persons to have their personal email and other individual settings and files.
That seems to be the ideal solution. A week from now, we'll know exactly, how the separation works.
Can't wait to have the device here.
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Situation 1:
User B gets the app for free on the Nexus10, since it is already present on the device, it does not even need to be installed again, it is just there.
User B looks in the play store, the app should now be listed in "My Apps", since it was installed on the device with the account [email protected]
User B gets his S3 and has the same app displayed as purchased on the play store, since he once was able to legitimately install it from his account (on the Nexus 10), which makes it his app on all his devices.
User B installs the paid app on his S3 for free, since it is present on his account.
User B's account gets removed from the Nexus 10.
Rinse and repeat through User Z. 25 free licenses, that can be replicated to all of the users' devices since they get the app transferred to their accounts if they once inherited it on the Nexus 10.
Situation 2:
User A looks at the app on the play store, it costs .99$. He buys it and installs it.
User B looks at the app on the play store, sees it costs him .99$
User B buys the app.
The app gets installed instantly, as it is already present on the device.
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I don't see why it has to be only one of those two options. Why not this:
Situation 3:
User A buys and installs a $0.99 app on the play store.
User B Looks at the same app and Play store is smart enough to check that the app is already installed on the device and allows him access to it on this device but does NOT update his account information to say that he has purchased the app.
User B Looks at the same app on his phone, and it still shows up as costing $0.99.
Not saying that's definitely the way it will work, but that's the way I'd prefer it. That would allow a parent to buy and install apps for his children that they have access to on their profiles, without having to associate his own account and credit card information with his children's profiles, opening up the possibility for them to make purchases without his approval.
Another question I have about multi-profile access to apps is this: I keep hearing that the second user to install an app will not have to download it again. That's certainly nice for ease/speed of access to the new app, but it doesn't answer the question of how the app is stored on the device. Is there just one copy of the apk that all users can access? Or does the system make a copy of the apk for each profile that installs it, thus using up more storage space?
Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
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Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
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Nah, that doesn't make sense, you don't want to be sharing an email account or whatever, it will be a separate (optional) account per profile.
As for the app purchase crappy, who cares, get titanium backup, use its profile switch option which works on all android versions to swap out apply and game data so multiple people can use them on the same device.
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You don't seriously say using titanium is easier than native integration?
@je55ter only a few more days and we will know for sure.
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that is definetely not the case as one can see in all available hands on videos so far, the profiles are different google accounts, which will then automatically give you access to all your google content. have a look at the videos, like the first video from the verge, the demo device clearly has hugo barra's account on it, as indicated by his google+ avatar on the lockscreen. it was also confirmed that these profiles will fetch all kinds of information from the corresponding google account, so it must be multiple accounts.
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You don't seriously say using titanium is easier than native integration?
@je55ter only a few more days and we will know for sure.
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I'm not saying it's easier, but if it turns out each user is supposed to purchase it, TB profiles is one solution.
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A very similar example would be the Xbox 360 or PS3. These are devices that use multiple users accounts. On both consoles paid content is available to all profiles on the console.
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Yes, X360 and PS3 are excellent examples... of how it will not work on Android!
Actually it really makes sense that different profiles got different apps, unlike on consoles. If you can cross-license over profiles on the same device some way will be revealed next week.
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Yes, X360 and PS3 are excellent examples... of how it will not work on Android!
Actually it really makes sense that different profiles got different apps, unlike on consoles. If you can cross-license over profiles on the same device some way will be revealed next week.
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What evidence do you have for how it will be implemented? You can make a pretty strong argument for both systems.
If there is no cross-licensing it would seriously reduce the appeal of this feature. Would most people purchase 2 copies of GTA3 for instance just so they can have their own saved game on their profile? I don't think so.