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Saw this last night while reading T3 magazine and thought it might interest a few people on here who a) find the note 8 a little too small and b) think the note 10.1 has too low a screen resolution.
Its 10 inch, can come with a keyboard cover, has a quad core tegra 4 processor and 2gb of ram, a screen resolution of 2560x1600 (gorrila glass) and most importantly has wacom stylus support. Also has micro sd, micro usb and micro hdmi out and is running 4.2.
Not seen many reviews on it yet other than the usual previews that say "why would you pay £100 more for stylus support", which is pretty much that same thing that was writen about the Notes vs non digitizer options.
Personally I find 10 inches to be to small for a laptop and too large for a portable device and would still look at a 11-13inch laptop with a digitizer for home use (something like sony's vaio offering), but that is just my personal prefference as I now have my 8 inch note for my daily companion.
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Sounds sorta interesting... but I'm very very happy with the size and weight of my Note 8.0
I have a beefy i5 desktop + Wacom Cintiq 12wx sitting at home (when I get a chance to actually be there), but if I wanted something more powerful than my Note and also relatively portable... I would also be considering a laptop with a digitizer. I may get one next year... I don't *need* a laptop right now... and the longer I wait, the better my options are.
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The Excite does not have a SIM support, only up to 32GB memory expansion support, and is so bloody heavy at 671g to be holding for longer periods! I already find the Note 10.1 to be heavy at 600g, although I can imagine the screen would be crispy sharp.
The only opinion from GSM Arena says, " This is not working properly.
It Become Slow When I Download Games.
And This Day It hang i bring it on shoes repair shop"
These other manufacturers aren't getting it right to meet the success of what Samsung is doing. They need to work on the soul of the machine as well as the hardware.
rooted stock Galaxy Note 8 GT-N5100
I have a Note 8 right now, and I find its a great tablet for me. Decently powerful, perfect size. But, the screen resolution is showing its age now, and I'm finding the onboard 16GB storage rather limiting now. My usages don't allow the use of the sd card slot, unfortunately.
Is it worth buying a 32GB G-Pad if I have a Note 8? Mostly curious at this point, but the 8in tablets I like are few and far between.
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I have a Note 8 right now, and I find its a great tablet for me. Decently powerful, perfect size. But, the screen resolution is showing its age now, and I'm finding the onboard 16GB storage rather limiting now. My usages don't allow the use of the sd card slot, unfortunately.
Is it worth buying a 32GB G-Pad if I have a Note 8? Mostly curious at this point, but the 8in tablets I like are few and far between.
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Hard call. The G Pad is a great device. If I had a Note 8, I'd probably wait a while to see what the next generation device looks like. We might see a Nexus 8 or a 2nd gen G Pad at some point. What keeps you from using the SD card slot?
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What keeps you from using the SD card slot?
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DRM within the Comixology app. Unless there's been new developments in the fast few months, its limited internal storage. Which kinda sticks because my library has grown quite large.
I was hoping for a Note 8 2014 Edition, with similar specs to the Note 10.1 2014e. But not even rumors or blurrycams.
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DRM within the Comixology app. Unless there's been new developments in the fast few months, its limited internal storage. Which kinda sticks because my library has grown quite large.
I was hoping for a Note 8 2014 Edition, with similar specs to the Note 10.1 2014e. But not even rumors or blurrycams.
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Do you know how that app determines whether a storage location is external or internal? Many people remap /mnt/sdcard to the location of an external card so that apps will use it. There's an app that will do that for you.
There's currently no 32GB model of the G Pad, though it does have expandable storage.
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I have a Note 8 right now, and I find its a great tablet for me. Decently powerful, perfect size. But, the screen resolution is showing its age now, and I'm finding the onboard 16GB storage rather limiting now. My usages don't allow the use of the sd card slot, unfortunately.
Is it worth buying a 32GB G-Pad if I have a Note 8? Mostly curious at this point, but the 8in tablets I like are few and far between.
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I owned the Note 8 previously but the screen resolution coupled with my limited use of the stylus, forced me to look at alternatives. I purchased and received the LG G Pad 8.3 this week and so far I'm glad I made the move. The one thing I miss from the Note 8 is the ability to move the apps to the SD card and without root. Because the LG G PAD 8.3 does not offer a version greater than 16GB, if you need more, I suggest you look elsewhere.
The Note 8.0 is $329 at BB if one is more interested in that device. Me? I am sold on the G Pad and will contine to monitor pricing.
Now that the GPe is available, it muddies it somewhat. :/
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Now that the GPe is available, it muddies it somewhat. :/
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It's really still the same device, just with AOSP software. I guess it will make app2sd easier. Not too different from the current G Pad, though.
Still waiting for my perfect 8" tablet
I looked at the Note 8 long and hard for a few months and decided that the lower resolution screen (I have too many already), plastic build and slower processor are enough for me to skip that for now. Have been waiting for the next gen Note 8.0 to see if they can fix most of my dislikes but just couldn't resist pulling a trigger on Cyber Monday on a beautiful white LG G-PD 8.3 for $250 from newegg. Very happy with it except one con - the display is a little dim. (Used the Screen Adjuster app helped to make it less yellow and brighter) Also would like an active stylus but GPad will do for now. There is just no better 8" android tablet out there than GPad unless you want to pay extra extra for the fruit brand. You might want to wait for the next gen Note 8.0 to make your decision. If you are not using your S-Pen that much, get a reduced priced GPad is good too. I am now flashing the CM11 rom (yes, it's available now for GPad) to see if I would like that setup.
Cheers.
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It's really still the same device, just with AOSP software. I guess it will make app2sd easier. Not too different from the current G Pad, though.
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I'm uncertain regarding the LG model, but I'd have to say AOSP on the Noteo 8 would free up a couple GBs of space on the internal storage.
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I looked at the Note 8 long and hard for a few months and decided that the lower resolution screen (I have too many already), plastic build and slower processor are enough for me to skip that for now. Have been waiting for the next gen Note 8.0 to see if they can fix most of my dislikes but just couldn't resist pulling a trigger on Cyber Monday on a beautiful white LG G-PD 8.3 for $250 from newegg. Very happy with it except one con - the display is a little dim. (Used the Screen Adjuster app helped to make it less yellow and brighter) Also would like an active stylus but GPad will do for now. There is just no better 8" android tablet out there than GPad unless you want to pay extra extra for the fruit brand. You might want to wait for the next gen Note 8.0 to make your decision. If you are not using your S-Pen that much, get a reduced priced GPad is good too. I am now flashing the CM11 rom (yes, it's available now for GPad) to see if I would like that setup.
Cheers.
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I bought the Note 8 in early April 2013, so I've owned it for most of its life. Samsung's support of it is has been . . . above average, in comparison to other tablets. LG's not exactly known for timely updates, but the GPe sku would compensate for that. In theory.
I don't really use the stylus much, my primary use is reading, which the higher resolution display would greatly improve.
Edit - What I really want is an ~8in Android tablet, with 32GB onboard storage, SD slot, 1080/1200p IPS/AMOLED screen, Snapdragon 800, 3GB of RAM, and support for US TMO LTE frequencies. Sadly, I don't think it exists.
32GB onboard storage is a little tough unless you can do an Apple
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I'm uncertain regarding the LG model, but I'd have to say AOSP on the Noteo 8 would free up a couple GBs of space on the internal storage.
I bought the Note 8 in early April 2013, so I've owned it for most of its life. Samsung's support of it is has been . . . above average, in comparison to other tablets. LG's not exactly known for timely updates, but the GPe sku would compensate for that. In theory.
I don't really use the stylus much, my primary use is reading, which the higher resolution display would greatly improve.
Edit - What I really want is an ~8in Android tablet, with 32GB onboard storage, SD slot, 1080/1200p IPS/AMOLED screen, Snapdragon 800, 3GB of RAM, and support for US TMO LTE frequencies. Sadly, I don't think it exists.
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Unfortunately that I don't believe that you will see an 8in Android tablet with 32GB onboard storage anytime soon. The Snapdragon 600 actually runs really fast on the Gpad. As for TMO LTE, I though that Gpad is going to have an LTE version. In any case, unless you can go get an Apple iPad mini 2 (is that an insult? hopefully not :fingers-crossed, you might be out of luck for now to find your perfect 8in tablet.
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(Used the Screen Adjuster app helped to make it less yellow and brighter)
Cheers.
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How did you managed to do that?? i just see red/ green/ blue!!!
I've had a Tab 10.1 since it's introduction in 2011. On an impulse, last Friday I purchased a Note 12.2 from Best Buy. I'm not real thrilled with the 12.2 behemoth. It's too heavy and unwieldy to hold and be comfortable. I'm taking it back. I've decided that 10.1 is the size for me.
So, I'm torn. Should I get the Note 10.1 (2014) or the Tab Pro? I want 32gb not 16gb so I'd have to wait for the Tab Pro version with 32Gb to be released (only the 16gb is being shipped now.)
If I get the Note 10.1 will I be buying older technology? Will it be laggy as some have said? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the Note 10.1 compared to the Tab Pro 10.1?
One thing I do like about the Note 12.2 is that the speakers are LOUD, something I didn't have with the Original Tab. Are the speakers good in the Note 10.1?
(Don't sell me on the pen, I won't use it. I had a Note 2 and now a Note 3 and the pen never comes out.)
Well, if you never use the pen, the tabPro may be for you. However, given the identical price points, the note 10.1 has better specs AND the added value of the spen, it may make the note a better overall value.
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We know for sure the N10.1-14 is getting both M-UX and 4.4. Since it's not a "Pro" it probably won't get the additional Pro features which are Hancom Office, 6 months of WebEx, SideSync 3.0, Remote PC, and e-Meeting. You can side load Hancom Office as explained in the apps sub-forum. You can download WebEx yourself so the value's in the six free months. Samsung's announced SideSync 3.0 is going to be free to all Samsung Android device owners. RSUPPORT makes Samsung's remote PC app and you can download it free from Play. So the only Pro "exclusive" is e-Meeting which only works with other Pro devices. So in the end, the N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 will/can be almost identical s/w wise.
They are identical h/w wise with the exception being the N10.1-14 has an additional 1GB of RAM. But all the inking and S Pen related stuff you said you don't use probably consumes the extra memory. The N10.1-14 has a menu capacitive button which will probably be carried over in 4.4 so the new task button on the Tab|Pro is the only physical difference. The N10.1-14 with 4.4/M-UX and Tab|Pro 10.1 should perform exactly like the N12 you had because while the display on the latter's bigger the PPI's been reduced so all three are pushing an identical amount of pixels and use identical h/w.
So it comes down to availability and price. With the price being so similar between the N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 I think a lot of people will go for the former; especially once the s/w's upgraded. I'd question the volume of Tab|Pro's sold at the iPad prices Samsung's asking so that could affect development support.
Good luck deciding...
Well, the Tab pro only has 2gb of ram compared to 3gb on the Note. The Note will get Kitkat soon. Processors seem to both be 1.9ghz. I'm not really seeing a difference here except for the pen. Personally I don't use the pen either and I also have a Note 3.
Ram is only relevent on having more apps open at the same time which is needed with notes multitasking abilities.
If u dont need the pen go ahead and get the tab pro. It has better gpu i believe.
S pen was a seller for me since i love it for use for school
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I've had a Tab 10.1 since it's introduction in 2011. On an impulse, last Friday I purchased a Note 12.2 from Best Buy. I'm not real thrilled with the 12.2 behemoth. It's too heavy and unwieldy to hold and be comfortable. I'm taking it back. I've decided that 10.1 is the size for me.
So, I'm torn. Should I get the Note 10.1 (2014) or the Tab Pro? I want 32gb not 16gb so I'd have to wait for the Tab Pro version with 32Gb to be released (only the 16gb is being shipped now.)
If I get the Note 10.1 will I be buying older technology? Will it be laggy as some have said? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the Note 10.1 compared to the Tab Pro 10.1?
One thing I do like about the Note 12.2 is that the speakers are LOUD, something I didn't have with the Original Tab. Are the speakers good in the Note 10.1?
(Don't sell me on the pen, I won't use it. I had a Note 2 and now a Note 3 and the pen never comes out.)
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I had the 12.2 from BB as well, went to the 8 which turned out to be too small so I'm getting the Note 10.1 2014. I will say though I sometimes miss that 12.2. Yes it was heavy, yes it was a bit awkward, but it really felt like a beast of a machine. It felt as if you could actually get stuff done on it versus just doing some browsing/reading. The Note 8 just has such tiny text in places and the UI elements on some things are just not designed for that resolution/screen size. The 10.1 seems like an ideal size, but if that 12.2 had cellular as an option (like my 10.1 will have) I probably would've kept it. Also, 16gb yes, it's not enough. With the note 8 I was getting low mem warnings and didn't really have it long, so 32gb would be the minimum.
You may want to think on that 12.2 a bit more. The 12.2 also has the USB 3.0 and the now standard button layout (across their pro line). The 10.1 will get upgraded, but who knows when and what that will actually look like. There's also the charging times. I've been reading about 6+ hour charge times fro the note 10.1-14, not sure about the 12.2, but with the USB 3 it probably charges faster.
To put it simply, if you plan on writing hand written notes, go with the the note. It's great for students or productivity. If not, get the tab. The specs are almost identical.
i have the 2014 note 10.1 and it is great - portable but still a good size - i buy too many devices and i went to purchase the pro 8.4 on sunday from best buy but they wouldnt sell it to me - told me it was not available for sale until this friday ( i was at the cashier with the tablet in my hand lol ) i guess that is a good thing cause i really wanted the 12.2 - i was going to buy that one as well when it arrived at best buy this friday ( i am in canada btw ) i think the 12.2 would be perfect i had the asus 18.4 android / windows 8 tablet before that was massive but the screen was not good - they should have not sold it with a 1080p screen with that size it didnt look good at all ! on a side note i have the lenovo yoga 2 pro windows 8 ultrabook and that has the best screen i have ever seen on laptop or tablet - really wish it was android rather then windows though then it would have been awesome instead of just great
I'll add my input. I bought the 8.4 on release day and used it for a week. Having a note 3, I thought the 8.4 was too close to the size and felt pointless to me. I am now using the note 10.1 2014. Bought it yesterday and was going to box it up and return it today and buy the 8.4 again. Lol. So here I am using the note still and actually liking it now. I want the 4.4 on this before I can really make a decision ( thank god for best buy elite). I felt the extra gig of ram was worth it for me as I felt the 8.4 was sluggish when I pushed it. My note 3 is a champ. Will I see a real difference I don't know.
I thought maybe getting the pro 10.1 but I figured for the ram and the pen IF I ever use it it's there and same price. Gosh don't we have such problems deciding on a tablet.
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The Note. It has triple the ram and the stylus with Wacom digitizer all for the same price. Sort of a no brainer imo. Not sure who would be the Tab Pro.
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The Note. It has triple the ram and the stylus with Wacom digitizer all for the same price. Sort of a no brainer imo. Not sure who would be the Tab Pro.
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It's 3Gb vs. 2Gb, that's not triple.
I do have Note 10.1 2014 since release day, great device. It doesn't take 6 hours to charge, and USB 3.0 does not make difference in charging. I got also the 8.4, to replace Note 8.0, nice combination of large screen for work and a smaller one for reading.
Ah, I keep thinking the Tab Pro only has 1gb. Don't know where my brain is.
Thanks for your replies. I returned the Note Pro 12.2 and purchased the Note 10.1 (2014). It feels much better albeit physically smaller than my original Tab 10.1.
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just ordered mine LTE version (Sony UK) to replace my Tab S 8.4lte. I have only had the Tab S for about a month and am sick to death of it. It will likely be my last Samsung product.
My reasons for switching are many folld and include good experiences with Z1 phone and my current Z3C phone. Especially battery life and the fact that Sony don't layer on gunk over android with a trowel (unlike Samsung).
My Tab S 8.4 is not rooted, and apparently most of the issues I list below can be fixed by rooting and de-bloating, but the fact is I should not have to do this to get a working tablet I run Nova on my devices and have done for over 2 years.. Here is what I like and hate about the 8.4
Like
- That 2K amoled display
- The neat physical attatchment and low profile of the official samsung case
- Its dimensions and weight
- Its nice to watch films on
- Physical buttons save screen space
- Fingerprint scanner works well for me, will miss that on Z3TC
- WiFi performance is superb, both range and speed.
- Multi window, although not many apps support it. Xperia small apps will be good enough
Hate
- Never had such a glitchy experience with an android device, the pregnant pauses are a right wind-up
- Mine is the LTE version, it is always disconnecting while still showing H+ going in/out of flight mode fixes, appears related to LTE/3G handover. My version is the euro lte version which uses the exynos process with an intel add-in chip for LTE. Disabling LTE fixes this issue. US versions have a snapdragon 800 whijch does LTE out of the box.
- Battery life is terrible, the age-old issue with samsung devices and wakelocks preventing it entering deep sleep, it will eat 50% battery in 8 hours sat in a bag doing nothing. It has the same apps installed as my Z3C phone - its a Samsung issue,. My Note 8 had the same issues, I should have !earnt.
- Glitchy when typing quickly, i have seen entire words appear on screen in the wrong order, with words with the first word in a sentence ending up after the two words beforehand. I beleive that this is related to all the glitches.
- Clunky battery saving modes, on the Z3C stamina happens in zero time without fuss, on the Tab S a dialogue appears on screen for several seconds while it turns power saver on or off - what the heck is it doing?
- Hate touchwiz, always use nova launcher, unforunately, you are stuck with bits of touchwiz even using nova. The fischer-price settings page for instance.
Ultimately, its the LTE/3G handover issues and the non stop glitches oh and the wakelock issues that are making me switch
I will have both tabs for a short whil!e after my Z3TC arrives, I will attempt a review.
Nigel
If you have the time, I'd really like that review. I'm still very undecided between the Tab S 8.4 and this tablet to replace my 2012 Nexus 7.
But then I have a feeling that if I go with the Tab S I will put CM on it because of TW. My Xperia SP is still stock with Nova and I'm happy with it so the Z3TC would probably remain stock also.
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If you have the time, I'd really like that review. I'm still very undecided between the Tab S 8.4 and this tablet to replace my 2012 Nexus 7.
But then I have a feeling that if I go with the Tab S I will put CM on it because of TW. My Xperia SP is still stock with Nova and I'm happy with it so the Z3TC would probably remain stock also.
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Same boat. About to make the 2012 mainly a Pandora alarm clock.
I actually find myself quite annoyed at Samsung re the Tab S 8.4 - it could and should have been wonderful right out of the box.
Oh, and I don't know if this is still current, but last I heard, CM was not available for the Tab S 8.4 - it was only available for the Tab Pro 8.4.
http://www.androidauthority.com/com...enmod-installation-on-samsung-tab-s-8-4.4170/
I'm also not sure if CM supports anything other than the wifi versions of the Tab Pro 8.4?? IIRC, the Tab Pro 8.4 has an IPS LCD screen rather than Amoled, and all models feature a snapdragon 800
Edit: Noticed this on above thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-cyanogenmod-11-android-4-4-4-t2835170/page31
Nigel
did you get your sony?
edit: especially interested in wifi range, loudspeakers, battery & camera in comparison.
I also switched to Z3TC today after using tab s 8.4 for about a month.
The reason I switched to Z3TC is that tab s 8.4 is too unstable (often be forced to reboot……) especially when it runs out of memory which I never experienced with z ultra.
So far Z3TC is stable as it has plenty of free memory (thanks to the lower screen resolution?).
The only thing I miss about tab s is the multi-window.
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iam also thinking about change my t705.
Battery life a choke.
How is the display agajbst the tab s?
feel the "only" 8 zoll agajnst the 8.4 from samsung ok?
thx
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I actually find myself quite annoyed at Samsung re the Tab S 8.4 - it could and should have been wonderful right out of the box.
Oh, and I don't know if this is still current, but last I heard, CM was not available for the Tab S 8.4 - it was only available for the Tab Pro 8.4.
http://www.androidauthority.com/com...enmod-installation-on-samsung-tab-s-8-4.4170/
I'm also not sure if CM supports anything other than the wifi versions of the Tab Pro 8.4?? IIRC, the Tab Pro 8.4 has an IPS LCD screen rather than Amoled, and all models feature a snapdragon 800
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There unofficial cm 11 ports for both the galaxy tab s 8.4 and 10.1 Wi-Fi models. T700 and T800.
Sony Xperia Tablet Z3 and Samsung Tab S 8.4
So, now i have both tablets and can write my impressions.
The sony tab is really nice to hold, very light and a very good performance.
The display is bright and give good colors. White is white.
Resolution is also right. I could not see any pixels. Its sharp and very smooth to touch.
The tab s has a little bigger display and a higher resolution.Amoled is a part that everyone must look for himself. Many love it, many hate it. I like both displays.
The qualcom cpu from the sony tab has much more power as the samsungs exynos.
No smooth handling. Battery is to small for this tablet. The sony loose 1% accu over 20 hours standby. My tab s loose a lot of accu, if i use it and also in standby.
So, after testings i will stay at sonys xperia tablet 3.
I like this very light powerfull part of hardware. The launcher is smooth and the reactions from the cpu are very fast.
A very good tablet i think.
another big win is the double tap to wake feature (found under the display setting).
My Initial Observations vs Tab S
So, my Z3TC LTE turned up, and after having played with it for a while, my Tab S 8.4 LTE is going on fleabay.
Updated: Video review (warning: long winded!!) http://youtu.be/CMKonSEd7zc
Its hard to describe just how much more responsive the Sony Z3TC is compared to the Samsung tab S 8.4!! This responsiveness makes it so so much more pleasant to use.
I have nothing to say Re the respective UI 'enhancements' done by each manufacturer since I have always used Nova Launcher. My points below are with Nova running on both devices.
Observations from from my early fiddling vs Tab S 8.4 LTE (Exynos EU Version, only US LTE versions of the TAB S get a Snapdragon, EU versions get a Exynos and offload the 3G/4G to an intel add-in chip). The US versions get a Snapdragon because the Intel add-in chip does not support all the bands in use in the US.)
Negatives (vs Tab S)
- Slightly smaller screen (hardly noticeable)
- Bigger Bezels than the Tab S, but these make it easier to hold
- Perhaps not as well weighted for typing in handheld portrait mode vs the tab S
- Screen is not as vibrant as that on the Tab S, but I don't really notice the lower resolution. Hard pressed to see any pixels
- Screen more fingerprint hungry than Tab S
- Case attachment mechanism not as neat at Tab S (official samsung case clips to back via press holders)
- No Flash for rear facing camera
- No fingerprint reader (which I did actually find pretty reliable on the Tab S
- I hate the Sony mechanism for inserting SIM cards - why not a clicky-in/click-out system like everyone else uses?
- The Sony equivilent of Samsung's 'Smart Stay' designed to keep the screen on while you are looking at it does not work as well as on the Samsung
- Tab S LTE was about £30 cheaper (after Sony's £30 rebate)
- More freebies video's/etc with the Samsung Tab S
Positives (vs Tab S)
- Lightweight
- Very high quality build, feels better in the hand than Tab S, good quality plastics, nice tactile rear panel
- Has NFC
- Does not keep disconnecting from the mobile network (requiring flight mode on/off to restore). Tab S LTE (exynos+intel 4G chip, EU version) keept doing this. It was an LTE/WCDMA handover issue I believe
- Battery life is blooming superb vs the Tab S 8.4!
- Way, Way Way faster and more responsive than the Tab S 8.4 - light years ahead, and way less anoying in day-to-day use
- Fuss-free power saving/stamina mode - Tab S required time to switch in/out and was use useless with powersaving on - it was slow enough with it off!!
- Waterproof (USB, sim/SD card slots under waterproof covers headphone sky requires no cover as its internally waterproofed
- Mag charger is easier to attatch than fumbling about with a USB cable - no socket to damage either
- I already had a Z3 Compact phone so this plays nice with that
- Smart connect works well for silencing device when plugged in between certain times. Also does not display permanent status icon unlike Samsung equiv
- Dont need to root the Sony to make it usable!!
Equal
- Nothing to choose between devices re sound quality from built in speakers or a bog standard set of headphones
- Double Tab to turn on is simplicity, but one had that with Samsung's HOME button, and fingerprint login anyway
- Both vendors try to get you to sign up for Sony account or Samsung account junk. I just dont bother logging in to any of it
- Both vendors prevent you from fully uninstalling some of the bloatware they ship
- Both Vendors prevent you from disabling some of the junk they ship
Wishlist
- SONY: Make an official keyboard case for this device - that would make for a good compact road warrior machine
- SONY: Make your official case close with a magnet like Samsungs/3rd party cases. I dont want a trashed screen or an elastic bag around my expensive Tab!
- SONY: 16GB built in (11GB free) is completely stupid in 2014. The base model should be 64GB with the next model at 128GB. Your cost price on your BOM for the additional flash is $almost nothing - dont rob us blind
- SONY: Why no 32GB model for the LTE version?
Nigel
Cool, I figured people would like it. I am disappointed to know that you can't get 32GB internal, but I typically have less apps on my tablets than my phones and my 16GB S4 still has 9GB available. So realistically I'm set with a big memory card for all my music and video. I bought the Tab S 8.4 and returned it the next day because TW and the bloat/lag was awful. Also I couldn't believe that the back cover of the device had waves in it...not very impressive build quality.
yea it would have been nice to have 32GB for the LTE but hopefully lollipop will let us use the SD to store OBB files for games. I orde a 128GB SD for my Z3TC finger cross...
Sunlight comparison
veletron, could you please give us a mini-review of the sunlight readability compared between the two tabs? Thanks!
I live in Scotland where the sun rarely shines! I can test it's waterproofing in the rain very easily though!
I've actually ordered the Z3TC and it's due for delivery on Thursday. However after the luck I've had with my last 3 Android tablets I think I'm just going to get an iPad Air 2. My last 3 Android tablets are in order: LG G Pad 8.3, Nexus 7, Nexus 9. All of them had some issue or another. I had an iPad Air last year until I dropped it off a balcony whilst on holiday, but I never had one single issue with that tablet and it had battery life that Android tablets I've owned could only dream of. I really, really like the look of the Z3TC The size is perfect, build looks good in reviews, I like the fact that's it's water resistant. But I'm just worried that it's going to have one issue or another. I also think Sony should have put a faster and newer CPU in this tablet for the price they're asking. The snapdragon 801 is basically the snapdragon 800 with a slightly tweaked clock speed, I think it's something stupid like 100MHz. This CPU is a year old! And Sony are asking top dollar for this tablet. I know it has 3gb of RAM but that only comes into play if you're running multiple apps of apps that require plenty of RAM. The speed comes from the CPU & GPU and the ones in the Z3TC are a year old as I said. There's phones out now running the snapdragon 805. And tablets running Nvidia Denver and K1. Not to mention Apple's A8 triple core that's even supposed to beat NVidia's offerings. The specs in the Z3TC are dated, yet sony want top dollar for it.
As I said - I really like the look of the Z3TC I wouldn't have ordered otherwise. But I'm just not sure if I'm going to keep it when it arrives. I think the £330 I've paid for it could get me a faster tablet with slightly newer specs. Seems I've got some thinking to do.
Maybe you could take them to the tanning booth! LOL Thanks anyway. In the Florida direct sunshine the S is barely usable and is supposed to be a little brighter than the Sony. Was wondering if the Sony contrast compensation made up for that.
I seem to remember reading that the z3 had the brighter screen, but the tab S will have better contrast due to the amoled screen. Subjectively the z3 screen picks up fingerprints more than the tab S which might be worth bearing in mind in bright sunshine.
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I seem to remember reading that the z3 had the brighter screen, but the tab S will have better contrast due to the amoled screen. Subjectively the z3 screen picks up fingerprints more than the tab S which might be worth bearing in mind in bright sunshine.
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Do you think that you'll be sticking with the Z3 tablet, or are you still on the look out for something else?
Sticking with it. Been using it much more than the tab S cause it's actually pleasant to use! I have a Z3 Compact phone as well, and Sony has made it play nice with this. Simple tethering widget (that let's you see texts and call log on the phone as well), builtin chromecast support, the "throw" stuff works well to mirror to TV too. Oh, and I can mirror phone screen to tablet and control phone from tab remotely. My main use for this so far has been to hand tab to parent and then show pics from phone on tab screen, flicking between them using phone screen. It works well. Video streaming phone to tab works too. I take alot of pics with my phone, and can see my using this to view/delete said pics on the big screen of the tablet without ever having to actually transfer any files to the tablet.
Overall, it looks like this phone doesn't seem to offer much compared to the Note 5 for enthusiasts.
This seems to be a matter of form over function here:
3000 Mah battery, which will probably not last 1 day of heavy use - even less so if you are outside (you must turn up the screen brightness in the sun)
To add insult to injury, no removable battery, so extended batteries by companies like Hyperion are harder to come by and in 12 months, changing the battery (because it doesn't hold as much of a charge) will be more difficult
No SD Card (for people who want to store FLAC and movies on their phone)
Exynos means that this phone will probably not be getting an AOSP ROM (not saying the 810 Snapdragon is perfect, as it overheats, but the larger size of the Note might be able to mitigate that)
Glass back assures that you have to use a case or it will crack (plus it makes the "premium" pointless)
They got rid of the IR blaster too
No features like water proofing or anything else special
Other specs are not a huge upgrade - the Exynos is faster than the Snapdragon 805 on Note 4, but not by much
I guess we should look for alternatives? There were rumors of an LG G4 Note (or Pro) and LG's executives did confirm they were releasing an "ultra premium" (their words) device.
There needs to be an "ultra premium" phablet device other then the note...I thought I would be upgrading but not planning on it anytime soon.. hopefully another company steps up and fills the void samsung just left.
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Overall, it looks like this phone doesn't seem to offer much compared to the Note 5 for enthusiasts.
This seems to be a matter of form over function here:
3000 Mah battery, which will probably not last 1 day of heavy use - even less so if you are outside (you must turn up the screen brightness in the sun)
To add insult to injury, no removable battery, so extended batteries by companies like Hyperion are harder to come by and in 12 months, changing the battery (because it doesn't hold as much of a charge) will be more difficult
No SD Card (for people who want to store FLAC and movies on their phone)
Exynos means that this phone will probably not be getting an AOSP ROM (not saying the 810 Snapdragon is perfect, as it overheats, but the larger size of the Note might be able to mitigate that)
Glass back assures that you have to use a case or it will crack (plus it makes the "premium" pointless)
No features like water proofing or anything else special
Other specs are not a huge upgrade - the Exynos is faster than the Snapdragon 805 on Note 4, but not by much
I guess we should look for alternatives? There were rumors of an LG G4 Note (or Pro) and LG's executives did confirm they were releasing an "ultra premium" (their words) device.
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I got a G4 and it's a beast. Compared to a Note 4 and it's marginally smaller.
Yeah it's a step back and a sidegrade at best.
Amazingly the Note 4, which I have, remains the best smartphone in the world at least for me.
I suspect sales of the Note 5 will be disappointing like the Galaxy S6 and hopefully the Note 6 will be an improvement.
Abandoning Note 4, and not for a Note 5 ...
I too will not go with the Note 5. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
So far I"\'m evaluating between the upcoming Nexus devices (thinking of the Huawei, depending on specs), Moto x Pure (but I prefer to get 4gb RAM due to the large number of apps I use, and the Pure will be 3); LG G4 Pro (but I'm thinking it may be too expensive.
An obstacle for me is I'm on AT&T, and they are pretty much making the vendors make the phones unrootable. (Exceptions out there, but I think those will narrow). So due to need to purchase outside of AT&T, it makes the expense of the phone an issue for me.
Of course I don't think there will ever be a perfect phone.
No IR blaster either :crying:
You forgot the removal of IR-blaster. Wonder what feature they will remove for S7?
Still on my Note 2 and was anticipating the announcement hoping the rumors were false. Too bad, I'm either getting something else or getting a used t-mobile Note 4 from one of the clowns that end up upgrading. The sd card I might live with, the non-removable battery is a complete deal breaker.
I am hoping lack of IR blaster is ....false?
I too am very disappointed with the new offerings from Samsung. I currently have the Note 3, I didn't upgrade to the Note 4 as it wasn't a big enough jump, and the Note 5 is quite disappointing. The non-replaceable battery, no SD card or 128GB phone to make up for this, Samsung Pay will not work with ROOT, and KNOX, makes this another one I will skip. I think at this point I will wait until the new 820 chip powers a nice new phone, before I dump my Note 3.
Very disappointed too.
but not only because the lack of the SD card.
i'm tired of using a heavy device. Almost 180g is just too heavy.
I want something up to 130g.
and, looking back, i'm ready to sacrifice s-pen for a lighter device with no problem at all.
but it has to have sd-card, that's for sure.
you think you got us hooked, Samsung?
wrong! we will switch easily and happily.
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I am hoping lack of IR blaster is ....false?
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No IR blaster. Last year they touted it and this year not on the device.
Not sure if the Moto X Pure has one or not, but does have:
64GB storage option WITH sd slot (128gb more storage than the Note 5)
Front stereo speakers that apparently sound good (preview event feedback)
Zero carrier bloat
Zero of the infamous Samsung bloat
Case design options
No crack magnet glass case design
The 64GB model is over $300 less than the Note 5 64GB. Moto X Pure 16GB = $400, 32GB = $450 and 64GB = $500
Seems from an overall standpoint the Note 5 is comically on the weak side in comparison.
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I too am very disappointed with the new offerings from Samsung. I currently have the Note 3, I didn't upgrade to the Note 4 as it wasn't a big enough jump, and the Note 5 is quite disappointing. The non-replaceable battery, no SD card or 128GB phone to make up for this, Samsung Pay will not work with ROOT, and KNOX, makes this another one I will skip. I think at this point I will wait until the new 820 chip powers a nice new phone, before I dump my Note 3.
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Umm, sir you used incorrect terminology there: Offerings? Lol. jk
I am definitely not getting the Note 5. It's a giant step backwards to pre 2013.
LG G4 Pro in october.
WTF SAMSUNG!!! You cut two of the most essential Note features and you don't make a 128GB model!!!! Insanity ? I think I'll wait for the Nexus 6 or the Moto X pure I'll miss the S pen and multitasking feature but it's not worth it at all. Smh ?
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Getting it regardless.
Wait for the Nexus 5 (2015).
Seems this year your battery life will suck. Let it suck with a Snapdragon 820 inside and pure Android.
Or, as someone mentioned above, G Pro 4 (or whatever the hell it will be named). Will contain probably SD820, massive 27 MP camera and probably bigger battery than Note 5.
Talk about killing the excitement with all these negative reviews. Anyone with positive comments? I will be going from a S4 to the Note 5.
Europe: No Note 5 for the time being
To me the Note 5 is also not a step but actually a giant leap backwards, since Samsung happily decided to abandon a lot of powerful features that made the preceding Notes shine.
Of course I am not surprised that the Note series has now fallen victim to the same strategies the S series has, which come straight out of the playbook from Cupertino.
But what makes me shake my head even more in anger is that - at least for the time being - Samsung are not even planning on bringing the Note 5 to Europe but are trying to force feed us the S6 edge+ over here.
Allegedly because Europeans got their Notes mainly because of the screen size!
Although they cannot speak for the whole continent, my Note 1, Note 10.1 and Note 3 beg to differ.
Note 5 is the best smartphone on the market. Looks very good, top hardware. I'm waiting for full reviews and to see it in stores but it is a beautiful phone. Especially the new metallic color. Everything else is just talk. What I was expected was the 128 gb option. The rest are not so important ( I owned every Galaxy S and Note from the beginning, I use 128 GB sd card atm but has never been occupied more than 50%. Now I own S6 with 128 gb and It's enough. Maybe 64 Gb will be the low limit, but the 32 gb variant it's out of discussion.
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BTW.
1.No IR blaster - a good universal remote from Philips or Logitech cost 30 USD. Can do so much more and so much confortable with that than a phone with limited data base ( samsung has never implemented the learning feature of a true universal remote). So not much of a problem the lack of IR.- there is not.
2. No sd card - 64/128 Gb of fast internal memory will do more than 128 of external with limited capabilities. Do not forget the limitation we had with external sd. BTW -an micro sd OTG adapter is the size of the coin an can be attached to the phone whenever we want.
3. No removable battery -this could be a problem but in my opinion a power user who charge a phone every day will update in 90% of cases before 2 years. Even so the battery could be exchanged with a new one in service without too much trouble.
THE LACK OF 128 GB IS THE ONLY REAL PROBLEM WITH NOTE 5/S6 EDGE +AND THE LACK OF HDMI OUT LIKE THE S6 ( THIS WAS A REALLY STUPID STUPID MOVE FROM SAMSUNG IN MY OPINION)