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Apple OS 4 Change-Log

Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.

Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...

Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?

INeedYourHelp said:
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...

faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.

I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!

ap3604 said:
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.

Eclair~ said:
I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.

jz9833 said:
not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen

zachthemaster said:
multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....

@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons

bobtentpeg said:
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..

Why is this posted in nexus forum?

Doc
Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.

DaveKid said:
Doc
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?

Amdathlonuk said:
But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)

DocRambone said:
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...

Thinking of leaving my SGS

Hi guys,
Need some advise, i have had the SGS for around a month, the hardware is great and the screen quality is awesome, but the problem is lack of development support.
During the time i have had this device, probably 3 decent games (psx4droid, skies of glory and hyper jump) have been released, the rest have been released in the past.
No more than 5 useful applications have been released.
Not many of the Market apps are useful and most are spam.
I am thinking of switching to the iOS4, the development off apps there is far better and hundreds of new applications are released there.
Dont take this as a troll comment, i like the SGS, its just i dont like the lack of support.
Advise? Thanks.
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What advice are you looking for? The android market is growing dramatically every day, you've had the phone for only a month and in that time, 3 great games have come out? What are you complaining about?

What "useful" apps do you expect to find for the iPhone that is not available for android? If I was looking for portable gaming I'd buy a PSP...
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I am looking for some information that the android market is progressing, that's all.
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If you can afford the iPhone apps why not. I feel iOS4 is great. Not that great compared to Android though. I need openness and customisability. I need an mkv and ogg player. I need something that truly multi tasks.
And I dislike iTunes a lot.
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The.Opethian said:
If you can afford the iPhone apps why not. I feel iOS4 is great. Not that great compared to Android though. I need openness and customisability. I need an mkv and ogg player. I need something that truly multi tasks.
And I dislike iTunes a lot.
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Thanks, thats the kind of reply i was looking for.
I like the built in support of loads if codecs too, my only doubt is the app support, but hey, if its inproving like the other guy said, this is a keeper.
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Either way it's what makes you happy that counts.
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I seriously doubt the iPhone get more "useful" apps than android... Good ideas are rare.
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@The.Opethian
Thats very true .
@mickeko
"useful" apps to me are apps that interest me lol
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No amount of great hardware or customization is going to make up for critical applications or games that you want.
I have an iPhone 3GS right now. I'm thoroughly unhappy with a lot of parts of the iPhone. I don't like that it's closed, I don't like major missing applications especially Google apps, I hate iTunes, I want real multi-tasking, I'm sick of fighting with jailbreaks... the list goes on.
That said, I am tentative about the move because a few apps are still missing for me. Games, I am not so worried about - I'm not much of a phone gamer. Right now, though, the negatives about my iPhone outweigh the few apps that are missing so it's time for me to switch.
You may be experiencing the opposite problem. That's completely a personal decision. I'd say, if you're a gamer, there is no better platform than the iPhone. There are really great games for it, more coming out all the time. It is absolutely the best mobile gaming platform out right now.
So do it. Life is too short to worry about stuff like this. If Android isn't meeting your needs, switch and be happy.
Me, I'm switching because I don't like the iPhone as a daily pocket device anymore. I'm keeping it to use at home, though, for the games and apps that don't exist on the Android platform.

azazin said:
Hi guys,
Need some advise, i have had the SGS for around a month, the hardware is great and the screen quality is awesome, but the problem is lack of development support.
During the time i have had this device, probably 3 decent games (psx4droid, skies of glory and hyper jump) have been released, the rest have been released in the past.
No more than 5 useful applications have been released.
Not many of the Market apps are useful and most are spam.
I am thinking of switching to the iOS4, the development off apps there is far better and hundreds of new applications are released there.
Dont take this as a troll comment, i like the SGS, its just i dont like the lack of support.
Advise? Thanks.
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So what kind of advise are you looking for?
I read your post and all I got was I want an iPhone because of the apps, I don't see a debate or anything requiring the need for advise. Go get the iPhone.

azazin said:
Hi guys,
Need some advise, i have had the SGS for around a month, the hardware is great and the screen quality is awesome, but the problem is lack of development support.
During the time i have had this device, probably 3 decent games (psx4droid, skies of glory and hyper jump) have been released, the rest have been released in the past.
No more than 5 useful applications have been released.
Not many of the Market apps are useful and most are spam.
I am thinking of switching to the iOS4, the development off apps there is far better and hundreds of new applications are released there.
Dont take this as a troll comment, i like the SGS, its just i dont like the lack of support.
Advise? Thanks.
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If you are after mainly games then yes get an iphone, android is still a way behind in this area and might still take some time to catch up, while developers are slowly moving to android they are really still just testing the waters with android I feel and many games ported to android are either missing features or far more buggy than their iphone versions.
I am sure this will change as android keeps growing in popularity but if you want lots of games now then obviously the iphone is better in that area.

binary visions said:
So do it. Life is too short to worry about stuff like this. If Android isn't meeting your needs, switch and be happy.
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Yep. I don't understand the need to have other people convince you that you want to stay on Android.
Just go to iPhone if you feel that suits your needs.

Most useful apps that are on the iPhone are on Android...if anything they did a recent study and found there are more developers on Android then there for the iPhone....
But there are 2 things to consider..
1) iPhone has a lot of useless apps that do the same thing
2) Not all apps are always in the market place..for example EA games has quite a few games but for some reason keeps them hidden..but you can buy them if you want to directly...same for Gameloft and many other publishers..
Either way Android is growing quite fast and will continue to grow...as of 2010 I have yet to see 1 major developer do something for the iphone and not for Android..

Dear azazin,
I liked the way you said. You want something to explore rite ?
Your my kind.. I am the same way your.
I updated my OS to i9000xxjp3 (android 2.2)
Its amazingly fast there are bugs when you use Mobile AP (Hotspot), but this was working fine on i9000xxjp2 .. The official 2.2 is getting released on End of September.
And you can also try installing lot of application which is available on market.
The searching of application depends on how you use your mobile.
If you wanna be a developer you can do that easily.
U Tube vide : v=I6ObTqIiYfE
There are games like Many and they are awesome.. !! Seriously 3d HD games are coming 2 our SGS ...
U Tube Video : v=OxdZWhga0Vw
There are many application you can check out. Google them out on your chrome and send them directly to your mobile ..
tc..

Symbian OS took 38% market share worldwide in Q2 (41% year-on-year growth)
Android had 23% market share (884% year-on-year growth)
BlackBerry OS took 18% share (41% year-on-year growth)
iOS came in with 13% share (61% year-on-year growth)
As you can see there are 2x more Android devices then iphone devices world wide...and the growth is unparalleled...
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-sales-almost-900-q2

I've also read that Samsung is very happy with the Samsung Galaxy S, so much that the next major upgrade is going to be sometime in 3Q 2011. They are trying to do a yearly roadmap kinda like the iPhone. That's big for a company like Samsung that pretty much sh*ts fones left right and center.

For me I changed to the SGS from the 3G because I was sick of the way Steve Jobs thinks he can decide what apps and which websites I can visit (Flash!).
I liked the Iphone but in the end I felt it was to restrictive, all the apps I had on the Iphone I have now found in the market and a few that allow me to do things Apple told me I didn't need to do (GRRRR!).
I can now layout my own home screen with my own wallpaper and list today's appointments, which I could only do after jailbreaking the Iphone and even then it was limited.
My only issue with the SGS is the battery life, my 3G was better even after 18 months of usage.

Keep it. Samsung did an awesome job with this one and if they keep the Galaxy S as a whole series (like the iPhone) we'll see some big stuff coming from them. I think samsung is throwing the first stones in order to become the reference on Android smartphones.
On the other hand. If you really want games... Yeah, get an iPhone...
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Go for the iphone mate, better apps for now, but not for long
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Android Speaktoit App Blows Away Apple's Siri

Android App Speaktoit Assistant Blows Away Siri...and available for 97.5% of ALL 190million Android out there (unlike the Siri junk which is only available for the iPhone4Sux - meaning 0%) [Video]
October 13, 2011, By Leo Xavier
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/10/13...nt-is-more-popular-than-iphone-4s-siri-video/
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myE498nyfGw&feature=player_embedded
You will most probably agree with us when we say that Apple failed to deliver anything awesome at the unveiling ceremony of its iPhone 4S. Although the device comes with a lot of hardware upgrades, it didn’t amaze people like all the past products from the company.
One of the device’s features that the company was so excited to tell everyone about was the Siri technology that “lets you use your voice to send…” well, many of you already know the rest of that announcement.
That description about Siri is just too much of an introduction for something that is already available on the market and is much more popular than Siri. We are talking about the Speaktoit Assistant Android app.
The Speaktoit app may not have a sleek name as Siri, but it has more features and downloads of the app have vaulted into the tens of thousands in the past week.
According to a spokesperson for Speaktoit, downloads have grown “400% in seven days” and the app is “adding 3,000 users a day based (so far) only on word of mouth and rave reviews on the Android Market”.
The free Android app is already doing many of the things that Siri will start offering tomorrow onwards.
Similar to Siri, Speaktoit understands conversational context. You just have to tell the app what it should do. It can send emails, send texts, look up information, post to Twitter, update your Facebook, find news, look up traffic, look up weather, and do much more.
But in addition to all those features, Speaktoit also lets you choose a cartoon avatar to converse with. Therefore it’s much more personal and fun.
Better still, the app learns as it’s used, making it more helpful with time. For example, users wanted the app to play music, and the functionality is available today.
Just in case you are wondering, the iOS and BlackBerry versions of the Speaktoit app will be available in the very near future. We will let you know when that happens. For now, check out the video and you can place your comments below.
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How can it be better than Siri when no one knows how good Siri will be? I guess true reviews can come out today since the devices go out.
Of course this is just and advertisement/press release.... and so we shouldn't beleive a word of it.
The video is impressive, but it appears to use Google Voice for recognition so recognition will only be that good. It's also very fast (like the apple commercials), which lead me to believe it's not real time and probably carefully scripted.
Robert

wasn't Siri an app in the app store before iPhone acquired it? I don't think its a new thing for the iphone 4S

bdroc said:
wasn't Siri an app in the app store before iPhone acquired it? I don't think its a new thing for the iphone 4S
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Apple always claim things even when they already exist for a long time.
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Apple always claim things even when they already exist for a long time.
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Yup quite true.
Although coming back to this app, I've tried it and it didn't go very well.

Apple bought Siri well over a year ago.
I'm at work right now, but I installed STI and it's kind of fun. I'm mostly typing into it. Things like "Get me to REI", "What's the closest Subway?" "Twitter" and everything is connecting to the right answer pretty quickly. I'm looking forward to testing it out later when I can talk into it.
Edit: I've gotten quite a few error messages now: "There was an unknown error. I'm telling my creators about it right now so they can fix it as soon as possible."

so i just installed this APP on my vibrant and it sucks balls. It lags like a MOFO. I asked all sorts of questions and only about 20% of the time it got it right.
I'm not a fan of this APP as of now.
Hopefully with updates and lag fixes will improve it.
"Thumbs down" for me. But good effort
I'm not knocking this app, this is just my personal experience.

Installed over miui, ss series. FC city, dialer framework apps mms, made my phone unuseable. Once I uninstalling went back to normal
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leechdweler said:
so i just installed this APP on my vibrant and it sucks balls. It lags like a MOFO. I asked all sorts of questions and only about 20% of the time it got it right.
I'm not a fan of this APP as of now.
Hopefully with updates and lag fixes will improve it.
"Thumbs down" for me. But good effort
I'm not knocking this app, this is just my personal experience.
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Works fine on mine with Bionix 1.3.1.... I'd say it recognized 85% of the things I said... thumbs up....

I played with it for about an hour but it only recognized one thing. oh well.
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I am an android user, I have both speaktoit and vlingo and use both quite often. I got the chance to.interact with Siri for a bit today. I will say the biggest difference between both of them and siri is the fact that siri has personality. Yes vlingo and speaktoit are quite resourceful, but you can't joke around with them! Ask siri where you can hide a body or tell it your horny! Ask it for a blowjob etc and the personality aspect of it comes into play! Im sorry to say but being able to interact with an application on that level and with the responses it.gives in my opinion make it more desirable to me! Yes android has had all the fundamentals for quite a long time, but apple took it to a whole new level with personality! I look forward to seeing what the android community and Google developers will.come up with in the personality aspect

please, lets look at facts and not be fanboys OP. I am an android user/programmer, and even I will admit, Siri is quite better than anything android really has now.
tried speak to it and my major problem with it, if it doesnt know how to reply to your query, it just says something like looking into it, and a lot of its responses are ambiguous. As far as i am concerned, speak to it is google voice given its lack of understanding for typically used phrases

Voice action app is really good. It will set your alarm and things like that by just saying " wake me up at 8 a.m." You can kinda have a conversation with it too.
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And android developers have begun to mimic siri, now in alpha stage and availiable from market is an App called Iris. I look forward to the beta's and final release!
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Google doesn't care about tablets

With the release of Ice Cream comes the "merger" of the Android OS. One OS for both tablets and phones. But Google isn't quite that interested in tablets right now, it wants to work more at developing phones with it's acquired Motorola and partnership with Samsung. And with good reason.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/tech/...ablets-wired/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

all speculation

I agree with rmxo it is all speculation, to be fair I can see how tablets are less lucrative than phones. People seem to think google is something more than a business.
Not that I wouldn't like to see ICS on the galaxy tab I suspect this awesome community will a get ics rom cooked before an official tab build gets released.
I actually think samsung should be on googles back regarding ics on the tab.

That's bull****. If Google didn't "care about tablets", they wouldn't have spent millions on Honeycomb development, risked alienating the user base by locking up source code, etc.
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference.

the article's author's opinion is really biased imo...
so.. nah... if Google decides to do this which imo won't happen... they are pissing a lot of people off...
if google doesn't care about tablets... why bother making ICS 1280x720 as a default resolution?

Ridiculous. In terms of development, you focus on phones because it is a larger market, but failing to see the rise of the next big mass media device (tablets) is not the problem Google has here. They simply are saying, right now, we are focusing on bringing the tablet experience to phones. They are making development on both platforms more efficient with single dev on ICS. Tablets likely weren't talked big because really, ICS is HC for phones AND tablets. And although it brings more features that HC does not have, it is more or less HC at it's core experience.

Asus already announced the Transformer Prime and original transformer will have ICS by end of Dec.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI
Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver

Why did you post this here? It's pure speculation by one tech analyst, and has basically nothing to do with this forum.

Stupid article. Sometimes these tech writers have to make logic leaps to justify a story.
At first i thought it was curious that they didnt even mention tablets. Then it started to make sense.
1, this was a samsung and google event. It was supposed to highlight ICS and samsung's latest and greatest hardware. Showing a prototype Xoom would have taken away from samsung and you cant do that.
2, this was also google's opportunity to counter iOS 5. Sorta phone vs. phone. Ipad 3 is on the horizon and why would Google show their cards this early in the game. ICS is ready for tablets but I'm sure there will be a more advanced version released in a few months (around the time Ipad3 shows up) that will add new features.

I'm tired of "journalists" who write articles full of speculation and opinion and then arrive at some concrete 'conclusion' based on nothing but whatever thoughts flitted between their ears. Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like the vast majority of "technology journalists" are brain-dead iJobs fanboys looking to grind an axe and make Android as unattractive to the masses as they possibly can. It's like they're all part of some out-of-control confirmation bias machine, seeking to stroke each other's ego for their intelligence and good taste in selecting the latest iToy.
Unrelated: my wife who is deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem was ready to throw her iPhone 4 against a wall last night when she realised that editing a contact record is disabled by default on iOS 5. Seriously, she had to dive into phone settings to enable the ability to add a phone number to an existing contact. WTF.
(please excuse my mini-rant, I have a cold and am medicating with a cocktail of OTC goodness)
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what's a tablet?
What's a tablet? Is a 5" screen device a tablet? Like for example the galaxy note? Is the Nexus Prime a bit of a tablet? No, maybe? The Galaxy Note with it's 5"+ screen is definitely almost a tablet. It has a split screen design of the software when turning the device in landscape. So it is running definitely tablet like software.
The boundary between tablets and phones isn't clear cut. And in the future the boundary will become more vague. For Android that is. That's why they focused with ICS on a sort of OS that will run on both "tablets" and "phones". From that perspective one can say that tablets are equally well supported as phones.
Here's an interesting interview with Rubin http://allthingsd.com/20111019/andy-rubin-video-highlights-from-asiad-video/ In it Androids position on tablets is very clearly explained. They just want to make an OS that supports all screensizes. (Btw Rubin says they sold 6 million tablets.. that's like 100% more than what the CNN article says)
I don't necessarily agree with Rubin's position on this, but at least it is a interesting one Again, what's a tablet anyway for a mobile operating system? A phone with a big screen? (Without calling abilities)
The strategy seems that Google is leaving it to hardware manufacturers if they want to support tablets. The software is ready for it.
My only question with this strategy is if Google can trigger developers enough to make specific outstanding tablet software. They expect developers to target all screensizes. And with the new ICS this is possible and easy. So that's okay. Nevertheless, for a developer who only wants to target the tablet because his design only fits on a tablet this won't work. Either s/he has to make a poor small screen implementation of his software or s/he sticks to a tablet only version. But the last decision will only work if they make a clear cut separation on the Android market. But then they have to make a separation after all.....

Croak said:
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference
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I agree with this part...and that's why we ended up with betas

I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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In my experience, most well written apps already scale quite well the way you want already. However, it's really up to the devs because some of them may want to make a bit more money by having two separate apps (a phone one and a tablet / HD one).

Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"

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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
The new Android market does provide recommendations specifically for tablets though.

True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
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You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
best example angry birds.
Its perfectly playable on android phones and tablets and most importantly we have it for free or 99p/$
on iDevices you pay for the same app twice just so it looks a little bit better on the iPad than iPhone.
If you think about it. If Apple releases new iPad with higher resolution all iBoys will have to buy the app again..
I think best example of how Android market (and apps) should be is by looking at apps like Flixter or IMDB

Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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MattSkeet said:
You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
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AFAIK, Apple leaves it up to the developer -- there are several apps which you can buy once and they will work on both the iPad and iPhone at the appropriate resolution for each device (the ones with the '+' sign indicated). However, there are developers who would rather make you buy two different versions instead.
So I don't know if it's fair to blame Apple (or Google) for separate tablet / phone apps. However, Google is to be blamed for not making it easy to determine which apps will function correctly on tablets (and quite a few don't).
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iloveandroid16 said:
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that you love and is not present on the tablet?

Open WebOS Support on SGSII

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802075
It would seem that an developer (or team of) has started taking in pledges from users who wish to see OpenWebOS on their device.
I was shocked to see that the SGSII hasn't had any support thus far. So hit up that link and sound off if you wish to see OWOS on our devices.
I for one miss the hell out of WebOS from my Pre days and would much prefer to have it running on my Galaxy SII than Android.

Already voted!Galaxy S2!

allocen said:
Already voted!Galaxy S2!
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Good Job, keep up the voting!

lets spam TEH THREADS!!!!!!!!!!!

Why WebOS ??
just tell me
i really see no point of it, but infact you may convince me to vote

LastStandingDroid said:
Why WebOS ??
just tell me
i really see no point of it, but infact you may convince me to vote
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It is open source
This is enough reason for me to vote
And choice is always welcomed since the development has been slow recently is s2 section
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Posted.Why web os .Choice
IN CODEWORKX WE TRUST.

bartoloandre98 said:
Posted.Why web os .Choice
IN CODEWORKX WE TRUST.
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WebOS is a fantastic platform. it would completely outclass Android on our devices, (i owned a Pre, loved it but it was a bit shoddy and the sgsII would be a much better candidate).
Great user experience, great social integration, intuitive non intrusive notifications, looks pretty, childishly easy to develop for (as long as you dont mind working with Javascript) and last but not least (probably the most important thing for the XDA community) its hackable beyond comprehension with a ton of room to improve performance, change UI behaviour, theme and extend.
I think it would be a fun challenge and something that the XDA community can get behind

sabianadmin said:
WebOS is a fantastic platform. it would completely outclass Android on our devices, (i owned a Pre, loved it but it was a bit shoddy and the sgsII would be a much better candidate).
Great user experience, great social integration, intuitive non intrusive notifications, looks pretty, childishly easy to develop for (as long as you dont mind working with Javascript) and last but not least (probably the most important thing for the XDA community) its hackable beyond comprehension with a ton of room to improve performance, change UI behaviour, theme and extend.
I think it would be a fun challenge and something that the XDA community can get behind
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Votedddd
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Voted. It's good to have another OS on our phone
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Been there done that
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Cant vote. But support! I want it on my phone!!

kewachan said:
Cant vote. But support! I want it on my phone!!
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U just need to post your phone name in that thread
Btw guys we have less pledges than evo shift atm
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Do we have nice apps for WebOS? Otherwise it's useless.
Nevertheless, I've voted

Yes we do, you have both the apps in the official app catalog and then you have a wealth of applications, patches and utilities in the open source homebrew package manager Preware.
I didn't have to trawl forums for kerenls and patches to flash, i could just install them from preware and reboot and voila, my 600Mhz pre was running at 1.2Ghz or my icons where 6x6 instead of 4x4 in the launcher.
In terms of proper app apps, you have tons of twitter clients, books, readers, flashlights, facebook clients, chat apps, iRC clients, navigation apps, music and video players (some of them really really awesome) and more!
I miss Palm
p.s WebOS also had flash support for those who think it matter (i dont, dont even have it installed on my device)

If I had to chose only one I think Firefox OS is a better choice

Voted.

minidou-77 said:
If I had to chose only one I think Firefox OS is a better choice
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We already have it but we want MOAR
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I'd happily vote, if I had the 10 posts needed XD. I loved my unbrickable pre plus. WebOS 2.1 ran brilliantly for the specs it had to make do with, and I'd guess that if webos got running on the s2 properly, it'd make android look slow. Really slow.
It just needs apps, and a hell of a lot of love and new features.
Shame that the s2 doesn't have the capacative touch area the pre plus and newer phones had.
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Voted, maybe this will allow webos to shine on hardware it could and should have been on!
HP CAN SWIVEL AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!
From PALM PRE to GALAXY S2... From HOPE to RELIEF!