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I'm sure the Galaxy Tab will be slightly more powerful... But I can't believe by much.
The Archos Tablets are coming out late September-mid October.
There will be many different sizes... 10.1", 7", 4.3"... etc.
I see people saying the Galaxy tab will cost more than 600$. That's absurd.
All of Archos's tablets are <$300
I own a Vibrant, and believe me, I love it. But I personally will be getting an Archos 10.1 . $299 isn't asking for much.
What do you think.
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Of course I am expecting some sort of hack to run the Market on the Archos... that's honestly the only down side but not necesarily a deal breaker.
I would be really hesistant to get an Archos tablet - they've been putting these out for a little while now, but their track record has not been great. Maybe this will change with their new designs - I hadn't heard or read up on the Archos 70 - but they just released the Archos Home 7 a few months ago, and it was not particularly well received.
EDIT: The Archos spec sheet says they are using an ARM A8 based processor, so it could be on par with the A8-based Hummingbird in terms of CPU power - no mention of what GPU is being used though. The GPU on the Hummingbird is an absolute (mobile) beast.
I honestly was about to buy a Z-180 til i heard of the Archos.
And yes... the GPU on the Galaxy S's are supreme...
10.1" Galaxy Tab = king. 7" is too small for me for a tablet. Tablet = halfway between smart phone and netbook. 7" tablet = halfway between smartphone and tablet. Lol
Spec wise, id say the Gtab has a great edge just because of its on board gpu. What you need to think about is how much of a difference that makes to you.
If you just want normal stuff, then no big deal. If you want to play 3d games or play true high def content then the Tab looks way better. If not then well.... The opposite.
Personally I think the archos is just for watching stuff, and the Tab is more of a daily driver.
I wouldn't think about pricing just yet, because until we get numbers from samsung, everything is bull****. Just cast it from your mind.
For me, the Tab is the right size. The appeal is that it'll fit in a coat pocket, or you can just toss out into a bag. 10 inches is huge (anyone who just smirked: shame on you!) and although the nice big screen is ok at home, to me its just impractical in public, particularly since you have to grasp it, not just let it rest in your hand.
Finally, does the archos have a phone in it? That would make.a difference to me to be honest.
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Yeah it's all down to personal preference about 7" or 10"... A tablet would be more of an 'at-home' thing for me... My phone is for the go aha.
I'm sure the Archos would be able to handle some 3d games though. We'll see...
They both hop on the 1GHz. I don't know much about Archos GPU though.
andershizzle said:
Yeah it's all down to personal preference about 7" or 10"... A tablet would be more of an 'at-home' thing for me... My phone is for the go aha.
I'm sure the Archos would be able to handle some 3d games though. We'll see...
They both hop on the 1GHz. I don't know much about Archos GPU though.
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Oh yeah, the archos should handle the games and stuff as well as an equivalently specced phone, its certainly no slouch. Just the tab is 'better'.
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I'm in the same dilemma right now too...not sure whether to go with the archos 7 inch or 10 inch....or whether to buy the galaxy tab....and a major deciding factor will be the pricing of the tab once its announced...
Yes if the Tab is any more than 400 I probably will go with the Archos... Can't beat $299
The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.
Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.
Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.
There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
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The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.
Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.
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If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.
Food for thought anyway.
The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?
Certainly would help me understand
As long as it has decent quality and runs latest stock android.
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BigJayDogg3 said:
Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.
There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
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Uh, like what specifically?
Heavy gunner.
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LostAlone said:
If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.
Food for thought anyway.
The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?
Certainly would help me understand
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There's an 8GB Flash Memory 7" tablet, expandable with Micro SD, and then there's a 7" tablet with an actual internal 250GB Hard Drive.
The 10" has a 8GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 299$ and 16GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 349$
Ah ok I get ya.
I assumed that it was one device with aftermarket add ons *facepalm* the 250gig version sounds pretty GOOD in theory at least
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Anyways, I think what will make the real difference to the choice will be how much you want mobile data. There seems to be two schools of thought on how to use a tablet device here:
a) Those who would be wanting a tablet to augment their current device.
b) Those who see a small form factor tablet as a total alternative.
For those in camp A, the archos has to be a better device. Not only because of cost, but the extra capacity is definitely a head turner.
For those in camp B, the Tabs 3g radio and actual phone capabilities wins the game hands down.
Personally I am much more of a B. I would certainly be happy with an archos. However, since Im not the kind of person who would use it at home, it'd only do service as a media device on long trips. And it'd make me happy in that capacity.
However, since the Tab offers that same performance (less capacity, but I can't see why I would ever need to load up 250gigs of anything) and extras, I just see myself using it more. In my head I can see me using it to hold my notes or whatever I'm working from, and then I can just kick over to a web browser to find what I need or take calls or whatever, all in one device. Of course, I can still use my phone as a phone and my Tab the same as the archos, but I have the choice.
I think that the times I am sitting on a station waiting for a train or whatever, I would kick myself for not having the data use, and anytime where I have to scrabble through my pockets for my phone.
Am still waiting on pricing of course. If the Tab is ridiculously priced (I maintain that this isn't likely to happen) then I may well say screw it and get an archos or indeed another tablet, because much as I love the tab, I'm only willing to pay so much for what I see as the bonuses of using one. If the Tab is competitively priced against the archos, I can't see why anyone would buy the archos (unless they are comitted to carrying a silly amount of media), because even if you never use the added 3g functionality, you know its there. I figure a lot of people will be waiting on the pricing, because if the Tab is say 50-100 bucks more than the archos, its a no brainer. 100-150 more, and its a personal preference. Any more than that and its to much.
The TLDR version:
With my lifestyle, the phoneness of the Tab makes it a real winner. To others, perhaps not, but then again we all have to make our own choices as to what device/s fits for us
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LostAlone said:
Ah ok I get ya.
BJD3's abbv. version.
I'd like a tablet that can replace my phone.
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This is exactly the same boat im in. Id have to get one off contract since i just bought a captivate and plan on keeping it.
My thing is i just refuse to pay for two data plans, especially when i have AT&Ts grandfathered unlimited plan. And without 3G i can't justify the purchase of a tablet to myself.
So for me to even consider a tablet, it would HAVE to include a telephone. This is one reason i was so excited about the Streak, nut Dell kept dragging their feet bringing it to the US.
At this point, the Tab hits all my check marks, it just has to be priced somewhere south of 550 USD.
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I currently own and use an Archos 5IT 5" android tablet.
Hardware wise, it outperforms the T-mobile Galaxy S that my roommate uses, with a processor that is clocked at 600mhz. I do not remember the chipset information off the top of my head, but it is a TI chip that has some solid power on the graphics side, and OpenGL support is available now with the latest firmware updates.
The biggest issue with Archos 5IT is that while updates have been constant for the device, there is no plans to put Android 2.0+ on the device, it is currently running 1.6 and will continue to do so until a 3rd party is able to port over something newer.
The new Archos tablets will not have any "phone parts" included in them, that is part of the reason for the lower price.
It will also include their standard Archos Media Center addin, which is a rather nice full function media application that runs overtop Android on the 5IT. I use their built in media center application over any Android based ones due to its simple UI and built in access to network shares, and all in all its pretty solid.
Otherwise, I have had nothing but good things to say about the device, in spite of its few quirks, most of which are being addressed with the newest models.
I plan on using my Vibrant's "MobileAP" for 3g Data on Archos if ever needed. Why pay for two plans? Heh. So the phone capabilities don't mean much for me. Even then it'd be an at home kind of system.
Ill admit the Archos is a good tablet, but two things keep me from getting it.
It lacks a multitouch screen, and it doesn't have a 3G connection.
While I'd prefer a capacitive screen, but if the screen is like the one in my Fuze, i can deal with that, and as I've said, i can't justify a tablet if any size if it diesnt have a SIM card slot.
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I picked up this tablet mainly to play around with app development, but I must say, I am seriously underwhelmed. No Netflix, no skype video, can't get my DISH sling player to work on it, my digital copy movies won't even load, other movies which I have burned are choppy, seems evey time you jump back to a list (app store, settings uninstall, etc) you get put at the top of the list instead of where you left off, no native network sharing support, the micro sd is not hot swapable, many of the aps in the app store are hlf baked, haven't figured out how to do a mass clear of notifications (and this is a much applauded feature, where is the stinking "clear all"), the browser zoom is kind of quirky, and when I clicked the email link to reset my password for the XDA site here, it went into this wierd hypnotic flickering fit and I had to kill the browser session
...yada, yada, yada
Seriously, I don't know how anyone can even begin to copare this to the ipad (1 or 2), for all of the Apple bashing I have seen, all I have to say is "It just works". If I bought this to actually use in place of what I do with my IPad, and not to learn and try my hand at Android development, it would be on it's way back to the store right now or listed on eBay.
Even though it is only an iPad 1, it is HANDS DOWN WAAAAYYYYY BETTER. Steve can rest assured, even at this point in the game, if this is what the competition hads to offer, the iPad's future is quite secure. I mean, 5 minutes with Garage Band on the iPad and you realize it is like comparing a BMW to a Chevy Comaro. Yes the Camaro may look cool, but it is not nearly the same level of refinement and quality.
As it stands right now, I would classify the transformer as a novelty at best. Great idea having the ability to dock it to a keyboard, but I so wish they had used this concept on the ep121 (which I also own) as originally teased in the press kits as it would have truly provide a best in class device that could cross between a work horse and media/gaming device.
I really wanted to like this too. So sad, as the hardware and form factor are really quite nice.
Perhaps it may yet mature, but I see a lot of iffy post on Tegra 2 supporting DRM or MP4 support which allows me to play any of the movies in my video library.
But hey, it'll play flash content. Whooptedo
Different strokes for different folks. An iPad would serve no purpose for me. iPads have been out for nearly 2 years and I have had no desire to own one. I wanted a Transformer from the day I saw it mentioned on Engadget.
Garage Band is not a big deal. I've had it on my Mac since 2005, so using it on a tablet doesn't thrill me. Not sure what the real point of your post was. Coming on an Eee Pad TF forum and bashing the product you just bought, but everyone who purchased this over the iPad had a reason to do so and an iPad doesn't appeal to most of us or we certainly could have and would have purchased one.
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Honeycomb is still early in development...it's only going to get better...
Garage band is just an app. try to compare iOS to honeycomb, most important is what the OS can do
the iPads been out for about one year and honeycomb is still in its infancy and I like my transformer heck I'm typing on it now but I have some light bleed and a dead pixel so I may replac it soon
I would never waste my money on an iPad because I do not want to connect the iPad to a PC to do almost everything. What's the point of owning a tablet if it cannot be used as a standalone device?
But hey, many people like the simplicity of the iPad and like being imprisoned with iTunes.
First of all the SD card is hot swappable.
Second of all, I own an iPad 2 and yes it's more buggy but it's a lot more functional. The iPad is nice and all but iOS is NOT a tablet OS. Honeycomb is. Dvd rips should play fine with moboplayer. HD videos play smooth after encoding with handbrake, keyboard is amazing and I have had no browser trouble.
One thing is for sure I wouldn't suggest the transformer to technologically impaired people ( like yourself), just like I wouldn't recommend any android device for them. If you want simplicity the iPad is nice, it does what you probably want to do smooth and easy. But if I want to type up an email or take notes or do anything related to content creation and not just consumption, I'll pick the transformer any day.
Haters gonna hate.
Garage Band? Seriously? GB's for kids. If I really wanted to make some music, there are better progs out there i'd want to use and I wouldn't be using an ipad.
I think the op was expecting too much. He knew what he was getting into before he got it and if he didn't, then he didn't do his due diligence and research. It looks like it's just not for him.
I on the other hand am quite impressed. Just the concept and form factor are pure win. The fact that future Tf's will be dockable with the dock are sound. The pad meets my needs even though I knew going in that high profile would be a problem, i'm content with it in that I barely use it to watch movies. If I want to watch a flick, it's gonna be on the big screen and I have an Xbox and PS3 to serve my Netflix and Hulu needs.
I knew it wasn't perfect and it's being worked on, but like someone else stated, it's only gonna get better.
1. I also own a ipad, but if I want to add a movie,song or app....Itunes comes to mind..you have to be connected to a seperate device...a stand alone item the ipad is not.
2. You mentioned you where developing for the android system. GOLD MINE...DEVELOP for this new and fledgling market. I repeat....new and fledgling market. I remember the first ipad was 3.11 ios if I am not mistaken. And there was plenty of phone apps for the iphone..then the ipad..does this sound like history repeating it self?
3. You mentioned about movies...i remember for the ipad...there where no movie apps in the begging and had to hit that 2x icon in the screen of a iphone app on the ipad.
4. IMO the screen is better than the ipad...try reading in portrait with a ipad or even landscape. I am refering to the IPS.
5. You mention you where underwhelmed, of course you are...these are the first gen devices..Xoom, tab, iconia and transformer....qnd so on...as a developer you should now the first gen devices usually are not what we want or expect.
6. I can put a movie on my micro sd...or a song...or even a document..give that same sd card to a friend at work and we can share. Try that with a ipad.
7. Hardware is more fluid on the ipad..time will heal that....there are more selection for the android system.gpu wise..intel, nvidia, texas inturments, quallcom....etc
8. Last but not least...flash support...how many businesses use flash?....Alot...not every company can support different types of needed web sites...(flash, silverlight, etc..). I do give kudos to apple for single handly creating the tablet market as we know it..but just like as history again repeats itself...it will be a matter of time before androids will out number apple products. Flash support is huge...i know you don`t believe that...but you are so used to the ipad..you never noticed. Also, one more point but maybe it does not count..not everybody can afford a ipad...
I like the part where he said he hadn't figured out how to clear notifications so rather than look it up, he complained.
I had an iphone and dropped it for android over a year ago with absolutely no regrets. I contemplated ipad, but simulator the iPhone, i wanted a stand alone device and no iTunes. I rooted my phone and then installed a custom rom and downloaded music all while riding the train with no computer. Just did the same for the tablet sitting on my couch.
I think the only way i could show more lovefor android is to get a little green guy tattoo. There'san idea.... (pauses working netflix to hot swap memory card for music and googles tattoo parlor locations).
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PS- i streamed music and movies over my network first thing out of the box with the preinstalled app.
No love for Apple fan boys who would rather flame than get their facts straight before complaining.
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jgermuga said:
I picked up this tablet mainly to play around with app development, but I must say, I am seriously underwhelmed. No Netflix, no skype video, can't get my DISH sling player to work on it, my digital copy movies won't even load, other movies which I have burned are choppy, seems evey time you jump back to a list (app store, settings uninstall, etc) you get put at the top of the list instead of where you left off, no native network sharing support, the micro sd is not hot swapable, many of the aps in the app store are hlf baked, haven't figured out how to do a mass clear of notifications (and this is a much applauded feature, where is the stinking "clear all"), the browser zoom is kind of quirky, and when I clicked the email link to reset my password for the XDA site here, it went into this wierd hypnotic flickering fit and I had to kill the browser session
...yada, yada, yada
Seriously, I don't know how anyone can even begin to copare this to the ipad (1 or 2), for all of the Apple bashing I have seen, all I have to say is "It just works". If I bought this to actually use in place of what I do with my IPad, and not to learn and try my hand at Android development, it would be on it's way back to the store right now or listed on eBay.
Even though it is only an iPad 1, it is HANDS DOWN WAAAAYYYYY BETTER. Steve can rest assured, even at this point in the game, if this is what the competition hads to offer, the iPad's future is quite secure. I mean, 5 minutes with Garage Band on the iPad and you realize it is like comparing a BMW to a Chevy Comaro. Yes the Camaro may look cool, but it is not nearly the same level of refinement and quality.
As it stands right now, I would classify the transformer as a novelty at best. Great idea having the ability to dock it to a keyboard, but I so wish they had used this concept on the ep121 (which I also own) as originally teased in the press kits as it would have truly provide a best in class device that could cross between a work horse and media/gaming device.
I really wanted to like this too. So sad, as the hardware and form factor are really quite nice.
Perhaps it may yet mature, but I see a lot of iffy post on Tegra 2 supporting DRM or MP4 support which allows me to play any of the movies in my video library.
But hey, it'll play flash content. Whooptedo
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No Netflix is true, but it's coming. It only works with a several devices (officially) and Netflix is working on adding more devices as I type this.
No Skype video. True. That isn't the tablets fault. Blame Skype.
Not familiar with DISH slingplayer, but to be honest, DISH sucks. HBO Go and Showtime Go work with some cable providers.
Honeycomb can play low profile encoded HD movies. You would know this if you looked into it before buying the tablet.
SD card is hot swappable. Does the iPad even have an SD card slot (without having to pay $30+ for some adapter)?
It's obvious you're sold on the iPad. So why in the hell did you buy an Android tablet? Just to bash it on fan forums?
I have no issues with the useability of my Asus Transformer which will only get better with time. Have fun with your limited and regulated iPad.
Netflix works with a minor tweak and why is no skype a hang up with many other options, like google chat or tango?
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seshmaru said:
First of all the SD card is hot swappable.
Second of all, I own an iPad 2 and yes it's more buggy but it's a lot more functional. The iPad is nice and all but iOS is NOT a tablet OS. Honeycomb is. Dvd rips should play fine with moboplayer. HD videos play smooth after encoding with handbrake, keyboard is amazing and I have had no browser trouble.
One thing is for sure I wouldn't suggest the transformer to technologically impaired people ( like yourself), just like I wouldn't recommend any android device for them. If you want simplicity the iPad is nice, it does what you probably want to do smooth and easy. But if I want to type up an email or take notes or do anything related to content creation and not just consumption, I'll pick the transformer any day.
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Cmon, I have been in the IT field for over 15 years. I am a died in the wool early adopter and was using a smart phones and a tablet PCs long before they were hip and mainstream.
Technically challenged? No, I have a family and I am time challenged and although I enjoy tinkering, sometimes I just want something to work with having to waste a whole of energy on it.
Everybody keeps saying Honeycomb is a REAL OS, so exactly what does that mean to 90% of the users out there? I have owned a tablet computer for over 6 years now (started with the motion computing products) and unless I am taking notes (with a stylis I might add), browsing the internet, reading an ebook or watching a movie I am going to want a keyboard. But along with that keyboard, I want real integration with all of my work stuff. Like for instance, running Eclipse, Toad, .Net, Oracle, SQL Server (etc, etc) or any number of other deveploment tools? Therfore, to me a real OS still means UNIX, OSX or Windows. iOs AND Honeyomb are not.
I am not here just to bash, I am here to offer some levity to others who may read this forum and get the impression the transformer (and I should really be saying Honeycomb and/or the Tegra 2 platform) is omething that it is not. To be fair, it has some pretty serious limitations (as does the iPad) and in my opinion, it has not still yet reached maturity for broad market adoption. Having heard all the buzz about Android and how well it has done in the phone arena, I did truly expect a bit more. And they way the Xoom and Galaxy tabs are being marketed, it seems they are trying to hook the mass market, and I think many people will be disappointed.
Perhaps some people will find a way to get work done with a Honeycomb machine. I still see it as an entertaimnet piece first and foremost, and in that context, the iPad does a better job with less hassle.
Me? I am going to break out my ep121 and wince when I have to go running for the power cord after 3 hours.
Regarding video playback, I have over 100 movies whcih have already been ripped, and while most of them do play, they are choppy. Figuring my hourly consulting rate and what it would take for me to ttranscode all of them, I could buy a couple iPads. It's jsut not worth it.
I guess I am also a bit disappointed that the transformer has so much potential (great display, decent sound in stereo no less, good price, great form factor (albeit with the keyboard dock that is still near impossible to buy), low weight, great battery life, so all in all I'd love to have it be my amainstay machine, but realistically, it's going to sit on the shelf still most of the time as a testing platform while I lug around my ep121.
And to correct something I said earlier, yes I suppose the SD card is hot swapable, but you need to unmount it before removing it from it's slot. I got used to being able to just unplug it as you can with Windows 7.
And please, this is a computer when all is said and done. No need to insinute I am "impaired". Why people get so worked up about what is better then this that or the other thing is as baffling to me as the sports fanatics who get in fist fights when someone badmouths their team. I am offering an opinion for others to consider.
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PS- i streamed music and movies over my network first thing out of the box with the preinstalled app.
No love for Apple fan boys who would rather flame than get their facts straight before complaining.
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MM, yea. I have hundereds of digicam movies as well as feature flicks. On that preinstalled app, they all get thrown into the same list. Can I search or sort that list, ahh no.
On top of that, all of the feature films are on the same NAS and they don't show up. Why? No clue. Porbably has something to do with the encode settings not being supported. And those that do show give me a "fail to load" when I click on them. Why? Again, no clue.
What was that you said about facts? I am not flaiming, these are facts.
And because I own an Apple product I am a fan boy? Is this a fact? My household is mostly microsoft and it is my preferred OS above both Apple and Android.
jgermuga said:
Cmon, I have been in the IT field for over 15 years. I am a died in the wool early adopter and was using a smart phones and a tablet PCs long before they were hip and mainstream.
Technically challenged? No, I have a family and I am time challenged and although I enjoy tinkering, sometimes I just want something to work with having to waste a whole of energy on it.
Everybody keeps saying Honeycomb is a REAL OS, so exactly what does that mean to 90% of the users out there? I have owned a tablet computer for over 6 years now (started with the motion computing products) and unless I am taking notes (with a stylis I might add), browsing the internet, reading an ebook or watching a movie I am going to want a keyboard. But along with that keyboard, I want real integration with all of my work stuff. Like for instance, running Eclipse, Toad, .Net, Oracle, SQL Server (etc, etc) or any number of other deveploment tools? Therfore, to me a real OS still means UNIX, OSX or Windows. iOs AND Honeyomb are not.
I am not here just to bash, I am here to offer some levity to others who may read this forum and get the impression the transformer (and I should really be saying Honeycomb and/or the Tegra 2 platform) is omething that it is not. To be fair, it has some pretty serious limitations (as does the iPad) and in my opinion, it has not still yet reached maturity for broad market adoption. Having heard all the buzz about Android and how well it has done in the phone arena, I did truly expect a bit more. And they way the Xoom and Galaxy tabs are being marketed, it seems they are trying to hook the mass market, and I think many people will be disappointed.
Perhaps some people will find a way to get work done with a Honeycomb machine. I still see it as an entertaimnet piece first and foremost, and in that context, the iPad does a better job with less hassle.
Me? I am going to break out my ep121 and wince when I have to go running for the power cord after 3 hours.
Regarding video playback, I have over 100 movies whcih have already been ripped, and while most of them do play, they are choppy. Figuring my hourly consulting rate and what it would take for me to ttranscode all of them, I could buy a couple iPads. It's jsut not worth it.
I guess I am also a bit disappointed that the transformer has so much potential (great display, decent sound in stereo no less, good price, great form factor (albeit with the keyboard dock that is still near impossible to buy), low weight, great battery life, so all in all I'd love to have it be my amainstay machine, but realistically, it's going to sit on the shelf still most of the time as a testing platform while I lug around my ep121.
And to correct something I said earlier, yes I suppose the SD card is hot swapable, but you need to unmount it before removing it from it's slot. I got used to being able to just unplug it as you can with Windows 7.
And please, this is a computer when all is said and done. No need to insinute I am "impaired". Why people get so worked up about what is better then this that or the other thing is as baffling to me as the sports fanatics who get in fist fights when someone badmouths their team. I am offering an opinion for others to consider.
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You love the iPad. Go return the Asus and enjoy your iPad. Done deal, you eat your burger, I eat my sandwich. No need to convince people in the ANDROID forum to despise an Android device. We know the pros and cons of iOS and Android/iPad and Android devices. Did you expect love coming to XDA and saying the iPad is better? Cmon. People here are users who like the openness of Android and Android devices.
By the way, being in the IT field doesn't mean much.
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And to correct something I said earlier, yes I suppose the SD card is hot swapable, but you need to unmount it before removing it from it's slot. I got used to being able to just unplug it as you can with Windows 7.
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Just to correct your correction, you don't *have* to dismount it to swap it. Since it's FAT32 formatted, you can just pull it out an insert another without issue.
Not bashing your post though - there's nothing wrong with having an opinion. Personally I think the iPad is a fine device, but it is not for me - and I own 3 Macs! It's also fair to say that Honeycomb has all the hallmarks of a beta level product, rather than a finished product. However, it's also fair to say that when the iPad was launched it do so with iOS 3.2, which really wasn't optimized for tablets at all.
Most tablets are generally for content consumption, not content creation - and I include the iPad in that mix. However, the TFs keyboard does lend itself well to content creation though it's fair to say that the apps are not there yet.
One thing it is excellent for is remote server access via VPN and RDP, which is my primary usage outside of content consumption.
It's horse for courses though - in my opinion, the EP121 is a total waste of time as a device as it is just a keyboardless PC rather than a tablet with a poor battery life.
It's bigger and heavier than my Macbook Air with a poor battery life, and I would have absolutely no use for one for those reasons - your mileage clearly varies of course, so if it works for you all well and good!
There's far too much unreasoned iOS bashing on these boards - there are plenty of reasons not to like Apple and its products, but it does produce good quality, strong products, and the iPad/iPhone is no exception to this.
My mum wanted a tablet just this week, and my advice to her was iPad all the way, even though I wouldn't have one myself. My wife wanted a new phone a few weeks ago, and now she has an iPhone 4 which she absolutely adores.
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Dave
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Cmon, I have been in the IT field for over 15 years. I am a died in the wool early adopter and was using a smart phones and a tablet PCs long before they were hip and mainstream.
Technically challenged? No, I have a family and I am time challenged and although I enjoy tinkering, sometimes I just want something to work with having to waste a whole of energy on it.
Everybody keeps saying Honeycomb is a REAL OS, so exactly what does that mean to 90% of the users out there? I have owned a tablet computer for over 6 years now (started with the motion computing products) and unless I am taking notes (with a stylis I might add), browsing the internet, reading an ebook or watching a movie I am going to want a keyboard. But along with that keyboard, I want real integration with all of my work stuff. Like for instance, running Eclipse, Toad, .Net, Oracle, SQL Server (etc, etc) or any number of other deveploment tools? Therfore, to me a real OS still means UNIX, OSX or Windows. iOs AND Honeyomb are not.
I am not here just to bash, I am here to offer some levity to others who may read this forum and get the impression the transformer (and I should really be saying Honeycomb and/or the Tegra 2 platform) is omething that it is not. To be fair, it has some pretty serious limitations (as does the iPad) and in my opinion, it has not still yet reached maturity for broad market adoption. Having heard all the buzz about Android and how well it has done in the phone arena, I did truly expect a bit more. And they way the Xoom and Galaxy tabs are being marketed, it seems they are trying to hook the mass market, and I think many people will be disappointed.
Perhaps some people will find a way to get work done with a Honeycomb machine. I still see it as an entertaimnet piece first and foremost, and in that context, the iPad does a better job with less hassle.
Me? I am going to break out my ep121 and wince when I have to go running for the power cord after 3 hours.
Regarding video playback, I have over 100 movies whcih have already been ripped, and while most of them do play, they are choppy. Figuring my hourly consulting rate and what it would take for me to ttranscode all of them, I could buy a couple iPads. It's jsut not worth it.
I guess I am also a bit disappointed that the transformer has so much potential (great display, decent sound in stereo no less, good price, great form factor (albeit with the keyboard dock that is still near impossible to buy), low weight, great battery life, so all in all I'd love to have it be my amainstay machine, but realistically, it's going to sit on the shelf still most of the time as a testing platform while I lug around my ep121.
And to correct something I said earlier, yes I suppose the SD card is hot swapable, but you need to unmount it before removing it from it's slot. I got used to being able to just unplug it as you can with Windows 7.
And please, this is a computer when all is said and done. No need to insinute I am "impaired". Why people get so worked up about what is better then this that or the other thing is as baffling to me as the sports fanatics who get in fist fights when someone badmouths their team. I am offering an opinion for others to consider.
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It seems like you picked the few things that the TF doesn't excel at and singled them out in an attempt to downgrade the device.
The Ipad is not perfect and neither is the TF. Same goes for ios and honeycomb.
Which device is better? Who cares, they're both great and have their pros and cons (which you should of known before hand unless you just shell out money for new devices without doing research) to each his own.
P.S from my experience, a lot of people love the ipad but the majority of people that I know (about 6 or 7 personally) who own both a TF and Ipad 2 prefer the TF over the ipad in most scenarios other than sitting on the toilet and playing plants vs zombies.
Once again, to each his own. People should have enough sense to weigh the pros and cons before purchasing something, let them decide if a device is right for them or not.
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Seriously, I don't know how anyone can even begin to copare this to the ipad (1 or 2),
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Do me a favor. Turn on your ipad and without touching a single icon, tell me what information is at your fingertips. The weather? The latest news on the war in iraq? Your stock prices? What your friends are up to? What time your dentist appointment is?
Not going to happen...
I just wanted to bring up a few thoughts I've had about the upcoming OUYA console, and see what you guys think.
1. I still don't really understand how/why all of this couldn't have been handled by simply creating a GoogleTV-specific OUYA app...?
2. Besides the OUYA's dedicated game-centric market, and their custom controller, what does one really gain that is not already available in the Android ecosystem?
3. How do they plan to prevent their entire custom OS (Or their individual apps) from being ported to other Tegra-based GTV devices in the future? Or, given their outright support for hacking the device, would they even care?
4. And then there's this: Google reportedly making a Game Center for Android
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-reportedly-making-a-Game-Center-for-Android_id30026/
If one was to pair the above (hypothetical) "GTV Game Center" app with a Google-branded "Nexus Controller," wouldn't the entire OUYA become pointless? Would you prefer an app/service that is fully integrated with the entire Google ecosystem, rather than a custom version of the OS and functionality that are outside of (or weakly tied to) said ecosystem?
That said, I still plan to buy a OUYA, but only because I'm a sucker for shiny new toys -- especially of the Android variety! :laugh:
What are your thoughts? Am I "over thinking" this console? Do you think it will be made pointless by an evolution of the GTV?
I'm just looking for friendly debate, so please keep it civil...
150+ views and nobody has any thoughts on these questions? lol...ok, fair enough, was worth a shot.
I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.
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I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.
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Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
Dave
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I hope someone releases an overclocked kernal for it, so we can get some real power
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Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
Dave
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I hope you are referring to mobile device gpus/cpus because they are nowhere near the best you can get in desktops or even laptops or that matter.
It seems interesting and I do want to have one but I kinda want to see what games it gets first before buying, if it doesn't have anything that'll interest me then it would be a waste.
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I hope you are referring to mobile device gpus/cpus because they are nowhere near the best you can get in desktops or even laptops or that matter.
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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
Dave
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.
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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
Dave
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But won't the Ouya be trying to compete with the likes of other home consoles? Because if it is, it is considerably underpowered compared to them.
First, I was an earlier KS backer.
Those who have order one by now, release this is not meant necessarily to complete with an Xbox or Playstation. They're going after a slightly different gaming market.
The problem I see with Ouya is that it can be a bit of redundant machine. What does it do that can't be done with a decent smartphone? You may need a rooted phone, but one can hook up a controller, connect to a TV. It's more the mobile game developers adding in controller support. That said, talk about annoying trying up your phone to play games. Having to hook up the phone to the TV every time.
But I think it could be a nice entry point for small game developers to get into the livingroom. New developers to try to get into the market without going broke or closing the doors if a game fails. Allow gamer to fiddle with their consoles.
On the positive side, if the Wii can find success, maybe there is a room for something like the Ouya too. The Wii showed, if it's fun to play, a cheap machine can make it.
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Plus with announcement it's going to be sold a Target, Bestbuy, Amazon and a few other stores, will help with getting numbers sold, which can help bring some of the bigger game developers to the platform.
I'm excited for the OUYA, but not for reasons they'd probably like. I'll be getting one later down the line, once someone slaps new firmware out there for it. I really don't like the idea of them trying to push their own version of a marketplace and basically building on top of Android for their own purposes. I get it, but I don't feel it's necessary and splintering Android further than it already is needs to stop.
In short, my idea is to see how this device would fare for an AIO media center. It'll hook up to a TV just fine already, it runs Android, and it has its own controller! So once it's running stock (and by stock I inherently mean CM), I'll have a media center PC essentially ready to go- I've got everything already hosted on a NAS so as long as it's on the network, bam.
I checked that link for basically Google's version of a game center, but that date was about a year ago- I think Google's a bit busy with KLP and I/O coming up. Then again they're a secretive company, but I don't think a game device could top up there with their big bombs they'll be dropping - that being Glass and KLP.
edit: Oh, and this may go towards a second device or supercede my media center plans- but I've been toying with the idea of Android as a desktop ever since 4.2 came out with multiple users. I think with OUYA it could be manageably done, or at least to the point where it could be a fun little hobby project to see what limitations I run into.
I don't think it can keep up with the graphics needed...i mean they might as well have marketed a universal market controller with the ability to miracast your phone. the device has Tegra 3, but Tegra 4 just came out. MY real question is why buy a phone and then buy another device to play games on when it has same specs...i'd rather just use my phone and stream it (with controller)...
other devices like ps3/xbox/ps4 are actually powerful. Unless a really cheap device like this is backed by nice hardware like Nvidia's Grid. It really isn't too useful. of course, this is all in my opinion.
Kinda reminds me of Ubuntu phone's concept. However, the phone's specs aren't up to do everything you'd want to so i guess the Ubuntu phone/desktop thing could be handy for average users that don't need super powerful pcs.
mistermentality said:
Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
Dave
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The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.
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The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.
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Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).
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Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).
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Oh, so the Ouya will be competing with the likes of the Atari Flashback? That makes sense.
And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.
When I first saw the Ouya and all the info I admit was very happy yet very sad, sad indeed... happy for thoose pioneers and innovation at finest, daredevils! but the device is doomed to die from day 1, why? here:
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Smallest game console in the world, doesnt need AC (draws from internal battery), that "stick" plugs directly into the HDMI, yeah, THATS the console, closer specs compared to ouya, second version may kill the ouya (in terms of graphics), also a lot more portable plus you can use the controller with any bluetooth device (pc, tablet, phone). Did I mention cheap? ($100 or so dollars)
Now to the not so expensive side ($150 or so US dollars), again ouya killer... :crying:
Emulates from nes*, Snes, Gba and neogeo to PSone* and N64*, PSP emulator is getting better and better. PSone.. yeah, you got 2 analog sticks, d-pad, 4 frontal buttons, select and start buttons in the side, R1, L1, R2 and L2 buttons! yeah 4 freaking shoulder buttons!!! holy sh!t ( reason I'm buying this), stereo speakers, and HDMI! gaming on the big screen!! 1080p video playback, and mapping buttons (this means you can map the fisical buttons to the on-screen ones, so you can play ANY game on the market... maybe not angry birds... but you don't want this device to play anrgy birds :silly.
These JXD guys had done a lot of tablets, gaming tablets and psp wannabes, so their expertise paid with this one.
*emulators included
Lastly both of them already on sale!
I already ordered mine :victory: but I live in Mexico... so will take some time but yeah, ouya is doomed.
Official site with specs and more pictures
Bought it here
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.
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Indeed, its no use if developers dont add support for the controller, and 70% games in android use touch screen, so, bumpy road ahead.
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And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.
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Well, if you're honestly going to bring up 'games aren't about the graphics' when we're talking about a home console (throwing in a comment about text-based games) meant to compete with the Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii U, then yes - you're going to met with snide comments. The GPU's capabilities translate more to being actually able to play the games, and that has little to do with the visual representation.
The Ouya won't be a worthwhile investment at its price. Honestly, it won't. The above two options, especially the latter Wii U gamepad rip off, seem to be a much better choice.
Valve's 'Steam Box' and other equivalents will likely catch the audience the Ouya is trying to get.
I've been very interested in the Nexus 4 since I heard about it awhile back. I've been reading every review and as many comments from bloggers who already have a preview device.
I've already decided that I'm going to buy a Nexus 4. Coming from a modded Samsung Vibrant I really don't have much to compare it to and since it's faster than the S3 I think I'm pretty much sold.
I also am looking to purchase a tablet like the Nexus 10 or Surface. I have been reading about people wanting to own both a Nexus 4 and a Nexus 7 instead of a Nexus 10.
My question: Is the Nexus 7 really worth it if you already own a Nexus 4?
I understand that the Nexus 7 is best for reading and the Nexus 10 is better for videos and web browsing. Am I correct in that assumption?
I'm not looking for a debate on which is better, but personal opinions and why would be great.
Thanks!
I have the Nexus 7. It's a lot more usable than a 10" tablet unless you plan on sharing it with someone else in my opinion.
I really can't think of a single reason in the world to purchase the Surface RT at this point considering we just saw a leak for MS Office for Android / iOS.
I'd purchase the 7 if I were you OP. Especially if you want something portable and something that you want to read on. Can't go wrong for 199 either
let me tell you how i use a phone, making phone calls, posting tweets, google+ and reading short articles.
this is how i use a tablet(in my case an ipad full version) once i bought a bluetooth keyboard i take it with me to college, for notes, to write papers, to read, watch netflix, youtube, etc. It completely took the place of my netbook for my uses.
am entertaining the idea of buying a 7inch only if i could find a bluetooth keyboard to do the same functions.
I can't see how my phone would replace my tablet or vise versa.
If you need a tablet to fucntion differently from a phone, then maybe you should get one.
If you feel that you need to upgrade your phone, maybe you do.
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Stay away from the Surface RT, if you want something that would take the place of a tablet and a real laptop get a Surface Pro.
I guess I should explain my situation a bit more.
I work as a vendor for Microsoft so having a Surface Pro is probably my safest bet. I understand that Office 2013 will be available for Android but probably overpriced and I can get it for the Surface for free.
I am a 35 year old father of 5. I work from home primarily and don't travel a whole lot. I would be sharing the device with my kids probably so they can watch Netflix or play games etc.
However, I am still entertaining the Nexus 10 if Office is cheap enough and the whole experience is better than Surface.
Anyway, back to my original question. Why buy a Nexus 7 if you already have a Nexus 4?
I went from an ipad 3 to a Nexus 7 and frankly, the screen just doesn't cut it for reading or anything else. I preferred reading on the ipad 3 and that thing was a heavy beast. The lighter and more ergonomic Nexus 10 should be perfect for reading, provided the shape isn't too unwieldy in portrait mode. If it does end up being too awkward in portrait, just get an e-reader with the $100 you saved on the Nexus 10 compared to the t700 or with the $250 you saved on the Nexus 4 compared to the GS3 unlocked. Or you could just read books in landscape mode.
The Nexus 7 is more for the crowd that is willing to use a phablet to replace their phone and tablet all in one. The nexus 7 is for the crowd that wants the convenience of a phablet but still wants their phone separate. If you are like me though, where the goal was to have a phone and 10 inch tablet from the start, then don't even consider a Nexus 7, not until it drops to $99 at least.
I actually think the Nexus 7 is the perfect device for web browsing and videos instead of the Nexus 10. My personal opinion is that it's easy on the hands and more mobile than the 10" tablets. I have a TF101 OG Transformer and I'd rather pull out the Nexus 7 instead to do reading, watch videos, read manga (I actually do all of my manga reading on it), view email attachments and as a GPS on the road. Basically, to me it's the perfect business device if you get a lot of emails and stuff while still have a huge horsepower to play games and watch videos (MX Player). I don't think I'd use the OG Transformer that I have now to play games. It's basically now a video machine and pretty much useless to me when I got the Nexus 7.
That being said, the Nexus 4 offers also the quick speed and more ram than the Nexus 7. But it's a phone, to make phone calls with, text, WhatsApp, to be quickly pulled out from my pocket. But the Nexus 7 is a better device to do the rest on because of the device having the "right" screen size. I'd just tether the Nexus 4 to the Nexus 7 if I need to do anything else.
Kind of makes it sound like I don't need the Nexus 4 after all does it. But I'm going to purchase it to upgrade my aging ST18i Xperia ray that has a 3.3" screen to something more useful and quicker as well as having better application development platform in having both the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 7.
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let me tell you how i use a phone, making phone calls, posting tweets, google+ and reading short articles.
this is how i use a tablet(in my case an ipad full version) once i bought a bluetooth keyboard i take it with me to college, for notes, to write papers, to read, watch netflix, youtube, etc. It completely took the place of my netbook for my uses.
am entertaining the idea of buying a 7inch only if i could find a bluetooth keyboard to do the same functions.
I can't see how my phone would replace my tablet or vise versa.
If you need a tablet to fucntion differently from a phone, then maybe you should get one.
If you feel that you need to upgrade your phone, maybe you do.
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Stay away from the Surface RT, if you want something that would take the place of a tablet and a real laptop get a Surface Pro.
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i agree get a surface pro with full windows 8 if you need a laptop replacement
I'm not a fan of the small tablet, I figure I can do anything I'd want to do on a 7" tab with a 4.7" phone. For games and movies I'd rather use a 10" tab. I don't read e-books often, but I don't mind using my phone for reading, and if I needed more space I'd probably get a Note II and still skip the small tab.
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Kind of makes it sound like I don't need the Nexus 4 after all does it.
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That's my point. I can understand wanting a Nexus 4 because it's a phone but the Nexus 7 is just a tablet that has a bigger screen but not as big as the 10".
I really wish there were places out there where you could physically look at all of the available options.
I have a Transformer Prime, Nexus 7 and SIII. Now I know the Prime isn't comparable to the N10 (as the N10 will most likely blow it out of the water) but in terms of usage, I NEVER use my Prime. My N7 however sees most usage out of all 3. It's the perfect size for almost everything, I find the larger screen is better for gaming, but it's not TOO large (like the bigger 10" prime). For reading, it's also perfect, as it fits in one hand without any strain at all, better than the Prime and a book. I don't think I have anything negative to say about the N7, I don't think the lack of camera is a problem and for £160 for the 16gb you can't go wrong.
In terms of owning an N7 and an N4, I plan on selling my SIII and buying the N4 on release day, reason being they both provide different functions. I love my N7 for usage at home, browsing the internet, playing games etc. but I don't take it with me everywhere, that's what I use my phone for! If I'm leaving the house for uni or just generally going out I'll always have my phone on me and most of the time leave my N7 at home, but when I'm taking my N7 with me it means that my phone battery will last 3 times longer
So I reckon that owning both is pretty reasonable, especially considering you can pick up both for around the same price as a regular smartphone or tablet, or even less than our fruit based friend.
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That's my point. I can understand wanting a Nexus 4 because it's a phone but the Nexus 7 is just a tablet that has a bigger screen but not as big as the 10".
I really wish there were places out there where you could physically look at all of the available options.
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See, that's what I thought too until I read what jrush4 said, which is basically what I'm going to do when I have both.
jrush4 said:
I have a Transformer Prime, Nexus 7 and SIII. Now I know the Prime isn't comparable to the N10 (as the N10 will most likely blow it out of the water) but in terms of usage, I NEVER use my Prime. My N7 however sees most usage out of all 3. It's the perfect size for almost everything, I find the larger screen is better for gaming, but it's not TOO large (like the bigger 10" prime). For reading, it's also perfect, as it fits in one hand without any strain at all, better than the Prime and a book. I don't think I have anything negative to say about the N7, I don't think the lack of camera is a problem and for £160 for the 16gb you can't go wrong.
In terms of owning an N7 and an N4, I plan on selling my SIII and buying the N4 on release day, reason being they both provide different functions. I love my N7 for usage at home, browsing the internet, playing games etc. but I don't take it with me everywhere, that's what I use my phone for! If I'm leaving the house for uni or just generally going out I'll always have my phone on me and most of the time leave my N7 at home, but when I'm taking my N7 with me it means that my phone battery will last 3 times longer
So I reckon that owning both is pretty reasonable, especially considering you can pick up both for around the same price as a regular smartphone or tablet, or even less than our fruit based friend.
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Thanks for this post! Exactly what I plan to do when I get the Nexus 4.
I found that the Nexus 7 was horrible for browsing compared to my ipad 3, which I sold, and my tab 10.1 before that. So, don't take my word or the Nexus 7 lovers word at face value. You have to decide which camp you are in.
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In terms of owning an N7 and an N4, I plan on selling my SIII and buying the N4 on release day, reason being they both provide different functions. I love my N7 for usage at home, browsing the internet, playing games etc. .
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What about watching video such as Netflix. Does it strain your eyes on the Nexus 7?
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What about watching video such as Netflix. Does it strain your eyes on the Nexus 7?
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Well, I got no problem watching Netflix or videos on the Nexus 7 and it doesn't strain my eyes.
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Well, I got no problem watching Netflix or videos on the Nexus 7 and it doesn't strain my eyes.
But browsing wise, like Tomatoes8 said, the performance of Chrome on Nexus 7 is really bad, so use Dolphin or flash the AOSP browser instead of Chrome.
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Wow that looks really nice and quite large. I thought the Nexus 7 would be a bit smaller than that.
Do you have a reference point like a penny or something or maybe show your hands holding it so I can see what the real estate is like?
Thanks!
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What about watching video such as Netflix. Does it strain your eyes on the Nexus 7?
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I suggest that you use your TV and Monitor knowledge.
How much better is a 40 inch TV compared to a 32 inch TV to you? If you answer not much, point for the Nexus 7. If you answer it is like night and day, go for the Nexus 10 or Surface pro.
Is working on your desktop monitor way better than working on your laptop(this is taking into account size only)? Or do you plug in your desktop to your HDTV because your 23 inch monitor is too small? If you answer yes, then Nexus 10 because you are a size whore.
If you are just as comfortable working on your laptop at home when you have a nice big all in one desktop collecting dust, then you are not a size whore and will make due with a Nexus 7 and receive the portability benefits.
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I suggest that you use your TV and Monitor knowledge.
How much better is a 40 inch TV compared to a 32 inch TV to you? If you answer not much, point for the Nexus 7. If you answer it is like night and day, go for the Nexus 10 or Surface pro.
Is working on your desktop monitor way better than working on your laptop(this is taking into account size only)? Or do you plug in your desktop to your HDTV because your 23 inch monitor is too small? If you answer yes, then Nexus 10 because you are a size whore.
If you are just as comfortable working on your laptop at home when you have a nice big all in one desktop collecting dust, then you are not a size whore and will make due with a Nexus 7 and receive the portability benefits.
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I have a desktop with 3 large monitors and I remote desktop into my work laptop because of the screen size...
... I'm a size whore.
I am a Galaxy Nexus user, and I plan to upgrade to the N4 as soon as I can get one here in China.
I had a Sony Tablet S that I really enjoyed. When the N7 was released this summer, I sold my Tablet S and bought the N7 with a solid chunk of cash left over.
For me, going from the 9+" screen to the 7" screen was surprisingly satisfying. I find the N7 to be the perfect size. It's great for browsing, reading, and watching videos, at least for me. I love being able to comfortably use it with one hand, and it's super portable. It's perfect on a plane or train, and it's the only device I touch when I'm at home.
My phone is what I have with me whenever I'm out though. If I have a meeting, when I'm running around the office, or when I'm out partying on the weekends,I always have my phone. So I think the combo is ideal. I haven't really been tempted by the N10 because I already know I don't prefer that size.
I did debate getting a Note 2 to replace the two devices, but at the price you can get them for, why not have both, with a tablet that has even more screen real estate? And, as was mentioned, my battery on each device lasts much longer when they're complementing each other.
I will admit that I wondered if the two devices would be redundant when I bought the N7 this summer, but it hasn't turned out to be the case at all. I love having both.
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sh0td0wn said:
Well, I got no problem watching Netflix or videos on the Nexus 7 and it doesn't strain my eyes.
But browsing wise, like Tomatoes8 said, the performance of Chrome on Nexus 7 is really bad, so use Dolphin or flash the AOSP browser instead of Chrome.
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I used Boat Browser which performs great on the Nexus 7. I just found it too small and had to increase the font size. But after increasing the font size, the Verge ran like crap. I tried dolphin and boat browser and it was the same story. Everything worked fine except for the Verge though. It could be that they are such Apple shills that they purposely designed the web page to run like crap on Android though. I wouldn't put it past them. lol
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What about watching video such as Netflix. Does it strain your eyes on the Nexus 7?
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I watch Netflix and HBO Go on my N7 almost nightly, and I have no problem.
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Got it from Bestbuy, after couple days playing with it, return it....First thing store manager told me "you also returning?" I said yeah why...he said "many are returning"..I told him I did not surprised...
Good luck with your new $400+ Nexus 9.. For me that device worth less than $300
I waw going to also, but the LRX210 update saved it from being returned. No build quality issue with mind either except for very little light leakage from corners
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Returned mine today at BB. It's a fine tablet, but when HTC sold a few at $250, I couldn't justify keeping it. BB had a few Google displays up, but no mention of a N9 was found.
I was shocked at the 250 price tag. I get a discount through my employer (5% above cost) and paid about the same amount. If I had paid full price for this .... I'd be pissed. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it ... Sadly, its better quality than the new iPad air.
? There's another tablet with the features the N9 come with for cheaper? What tablet is that? I paid 400 for mine and have no regrets.
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Got it from Bestbuy, after couple days playing with it, return it....First thing store manager told me "you also returning?" I said yeah why...he said "many are returning"..I told him I did not surprised...
Good luck with your new $400+ Nexus 9.. For me that device worth less than $300
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richii0207 said:
? There's another tablet with the features the N9 come with for cheaper? What tablet is that? I paid 400 for mine and have no regrets.
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Yes there is.
richii0207 said:
? There's another tablet with the features the N9 come with for cheaper? What tablet is that? I paid 400 for mine and have no regrets.
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Yea Shield tablet.
better in so many ways its 16:9 with no back light issues.
Better thermal design to cope with k1 temps, expandable storage.
HDMI out with game mode to remove black bars.
PC game streaming, GPU accelerated stylus.
Nvidia optimised to take full advantage of hardware unlike Google.
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demo23019 said:
Yea Shield tablet.
better in so many ways its 16:9 with no back light issues.
Better thermal design to cope with k1 temps, expandable storage.
HDMI out with game mode to remove black bars.
PC game streaming, GPU accelerated stylus.
Nvidia optimised to take full advantage of hardware unlike Google.
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Enjoy your Shield. I don't need to justify my purchase.
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Yea Shield tablet.
better in so many ways its 16:9 with no back light issues.
Better thermal design to cope with k1 temps, expandable storage.
HDMI out with game mode to remove black bars.
PC game streaming, GPU accelerated stylus.
Nvidia optimised to take full advantage of hardware unlike Google.
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Don't forget about the shields ****ty wifi quality and development community...but other than that...its an awesome tablet :good:
demo23019 said:
Yea Shield tablet.
better in so many ways its 16:9 with no back light issues.
Better thermal design to cope with k1 temps, expandable storage.
HDMI out with game mode to remove black bars.
PC game streaming, GPU accelerated stylus.
Nvidia optimised to take full advantage of hardware unlike Google.
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It is a great tablet but.
1 - 16:9? I want a 4:3 tablet, and not a 7/8 inch one. I use it more for productivity than media.
2 - It's not "better thermal design". It's a 32 bit vs 64 bit cpu. A snapdragon 801 also heats less. Is it better than the K1 64bit? The Nexus is a different beast when it comes to CPU, and of course it will heat up and it will dissipate more in the form of heat. It's not a problem, it's by design. It will surely get even better in the future with the next iterations, but it is already a different beast than any 32bit cpu.
3- Expandable storage is not an issue for me ATM. the 32G internal are enough and OTG work out of the box in case I want to carry a few HD movies in an HD or usb stick in long trips.
4- Never, ever, used HDMI out of my phone or tablets. I have a chromecast and it's more than enough for my usage.
5- Nvidia optimised will be great until nvidia stops supporting the device and you have to rely on the dev community of XDA. I still love the Xperia phones I had in the past, but I learned that the hard way and once you go Nexus you simply can't go back to Sony/LG/whatever without feeling your making a bad decision.
So yeah, you might like your Shield, and if you're a gamer, then it's a great choice. Just don't tell people that they are better served with it than the N9, because it will depend on what use it'll get.
This N9 has it's flaws, for sure. The build quality (the QC, to be precise) is horrible. But if you are like me and you want your tablet to be a replacement for a small laptop, to place it with your BT keyboard in a stand at our work place right next to your company desktop so you can access your cloud docs, your help favorites, to have chrome open dozens of IBM publib pages and not having to scroll 5234905723 times to see the whole page in your 8'' 16:9 screen, to use it as a work tool first and only then as a home media gadget, then you have two choices in the market: this Nexus or an Ipad. And it comes down to what ecosystem you prefer.
Sorry to be a stickler for details but the shield has a 16:10 aspect ratio @ 1920x1200.
Both versions of the Nexus 7 are also 16:10.
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demo23019 said:
Yea Shield tablet.
better in so many ways its 16:9 with no back light issues.
Better thermal design to cope with k1 temps, expandable storage.
HDMI out with game mode to remove black bars.
PC game streaming, GPU accelerated stylus.
Nvidia optimised to take full advantage of hardware unlike Google.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium
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I had the shield and shield tablet and sold both. The only reason I wanted the tablet was for the half life 2 and portal. However, the tablet was so buggy I ditched it.
Wi-Fi was absolutely terrible. Constant lockups. The screen just felt small. waking up from sleep was hit or miss. For the price, it wasn't worth it.
I have had my nexus 9 from day 1 and I love it. I feel blessed that I haven't had the problems others have, but the speed and screen ratio is just so worth it. My girlfriend is begging me to buy her one now
I just hope they bring the half life series over instead of keeping it a shield exclusive.
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jazzespresso said:
Got it from Bestbuy, after couple days playing with it, return it....First thing store manager told me "you also returning?" I said yeah why...he said "many are returning"..I told him I did not surprised...
Good luck with your new $400+ Nexus 9.. For me that device worth less than $300
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Why is this post still in here. Adds absolutely nothing to the forum
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Why is this post still in here. Adds absolutely nothing to the forum
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In XDA community, we do share opinions as part of discussion, if you have problem with that, maybe you should not been hanging out here. I am a nexus fan (have noth N7 2nd gen and Nexus 5), I was quite disappointed with newest N9, forgot about overpriced, but many other reasons.
jazzespresso said:
In XDA community, we do share opinions as part of discussion, if you have problem with that, maybe you should not been hanging out here. I am a nexus fan (have noth N7 2nd gen and Nexus 5), I was quite disappointed with newest N9, forgot about overpriced, but many other reasons.
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Yeah I was aware these were made constructively...
Not just some pointless post, which could have been added to the other opinion posts. Looking forward to not reading more of your posts in the N9 section, enjoy the shield.
Stresa said:
Sorry to be a stickler for details but the shield has a 16:10 aspect ratio @ 1920x1200.
Both versions of the Nexus 7 are also 16:10.
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Was a Typo I was thinking about game mode and nexus 7 is irrelevant.
richii0207 said:
Enjoy your Shield. I don't need to justify my purchase.
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Then dont ask the question then if you don't want to here an answer.
I don't personally own a shield so my opinion isn't based on fanboyism
I was done with Google subpar releases long time ago. And big whoop you get exclusive updates, well now you're paying a premium for it.
Also like how everyone bashed apple for using 4:3 on their ipads but now that it's Google doing it, its OK.
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