[Q] what's the difference between MHL and slimport? - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

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Just read this on endadget: http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/nexus-4-boasts-slimport-support/
Questions:
(1) What's the difference between MHL and SlimPort?
(2) Does either one of these two option allow us to charge N4 while connecting to an external display?
If yes to (2) I'm 95% for getting an N4, and if yes to (2) with SlimPort then I'm up to 99.9% (engadget claims that there will be SlimPort-to-VGA adaptor -- yes some of still needs to give presentation using VGA...)

so does that mean that mhl will not work? -=X

http://www.analogix.com/products/slimport.html
I guess it's not compatible with MHL, but apparently it allows mirroring without external power, and it apparently also supports OTG, so i guess it's basically a "better" version of MHL.
*coughs* http://xkcd.com/927/

It also has a pass-through USB port to allow it to be charged whilst being used. I wonder if it would allow it be a USB host and SlimPort at the same time.

Here's how I think it works after trying to research it. I could be wrong about some of this so don't take it as fact.
If your TV specifically has built-in SlimPort support, it means that when you connect your N4 to the TV using a SlimPort cable or adapter, the phone will actually be charged by the TV through the HDMI cable. If the TV doesn't support SlimPort directly, then the cable/adapter will still work, but it won't charge the phone, and as a result your N4 will lose battery over time. In that situation, you can connect a separate power cable (in the same way that MHL works) if you want to charge simultaneously.

more recent version of mhl should do usb OTG at the same time as Video

According to all knowledgeable Wikipedia... MHL can power devices too, so I don't see what's different between it and SlimPort.
The HDTV provides power to the connected device (5 V DC/500 mA with MHL 1.0, 5 V DC/900 mA with MHL 2.0).
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Slimport can also handle N4 --> DVI, VGA or Displayport
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/

So can I use my MHL adapter?

slimport to hdmi converter
dsmdc5 said:
So can I use my MHL adapter?
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can not use MHL adapter,they are different things。
we have producted slimport to hdmi converter,and work well。

MHL no worky with Nexus 4
dsmdc5 said:
So can I use my MHL adapter?
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I just tried the MHL adapter that worked with my Galaxy Nexus, and it definitely doesn't work with my Nexus 4.

barrand said:
I just tried the MHL adapter that worked with my Galaxy Nexus, and it definitely doesn't work with my Nexus 4.
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I just tried the slimport, which definitely doesn't work with my galaxy nexus.

rodion.zissou said:
I just tried the slimport, which definitely doesn't work with my galaxy nexus.
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So the newer slimport adaptor is not "backwards compatible" to MHL?
Too bad... I just ordered a 2013 Nexus 7 and a slimport adaptor and I thought, perhaps this adaptor would work with my Xperia Z, too...

juste some new devices
look here http://www.slimportconnect.com/supported-devices/

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5-pin vs. 11-pin micro USB connectors for the Galaxy Note 2

Just wanted to share what I learned yesterday and thought it could save people some time looking this up.
The Galaxy Note 2 supports both 11-pin and 5-pin micro USB connectors.
The USB OTG (On-The-Go) adapters only come in 5-pin, and works fine with the Galaxy Note 2.
I connected the OTG adapter to a USB hub, which was fine, and 2 different devices worked fine independently, but not both at the same time. My guess is, it is a power limitation that the Galaxy Note 2 provides through the micro USB jack.
If you want to buy a HDTV (MHL HDMI) adapter for the Galaxy Note 2, it is the exact same adapter for that Galaxy S3 that is 11-pin, even though the model numbers are different. 5-pin MHL adapters (for Galaxy S2) don't work on the Galaxy Note 2.
The HDTV adapter comes with a micro USB jack (5-pin), but although you may think it is a great idea to plug an OTG cable in there, it doesn't work that way. You MUST plug in your power cable. Why it was hard for me to find this info on the net or a youtube, I'm not sure. I guess I should have read the manual, but I think was more of a design thing. You wouldn't read a manual on how to plug in cables for plugging in HDMI cables and micro USB would you?
I can only get 1080i working at 60Hz even though I know for sure my monitor does 1080p. If someone can get it working with 1080p I would like to know how smooth it is. [email protected] is actually pretty smooth (I think 60 fps). Maybe I should have waited for the Galaxy Note II MHL connector? This is gonna bug me until someone chimes in.
Only putting this information out there because some of this wasn't too obvious, and maybe it will save you time. I also did a review for the OTG cable for the Galaxy Note 2, and another review for the OEM MHL HDMI HDTV adapter connected to a Galaxy Note 2 in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1958511
Lucidmike said:
Just wanted to share what I learned yesterday and thought it could save people some time looking this up.
The Galaxy Note 2 supports both 11-pin and 5-pin micro USB connectors.
The USB OTG (On-The-Go) adapters only come in 5-pin, and works fine with the Galaxy Note 2.
I connected the OTG adapter to a USB hub, which was fine, and 2 different devices worked fine independently, but not both at the same time. My guess is, it is a power limitation that the Galaxy Note 2 provides through the micro USB jack.
If you want to buy a HDTV (MHL HDMI) adapter for the Galaxy Note 2, it is the exact same adapter for that Galaxy S3 that is 11-pin, even though the model numbers are different. 5-pin MHL adapters (for Galaxy S2) don't work on the Galaxy Note 2.
The HDTV adapter comes with a micro USB jack (5-pin), but although you may think it is a great idea to plug an OTG cable in there, it doesn't work that way. You MUST plug in your power cable. Why it was hard for me to find this info on the net or a youtube, I'm not sure. I guess I should have read the manual, but I think was more of a design thing. You wouldn't read a manual on how to plug in cables for plugging in HDMI cables and micro USB would you?
I can only get 1080i working at 60Hz even though I know for sure my monitor does 1080p. If someone can get it working with 1080p I would like to know how smooth it is. [email protected] is actually pretty smooth (I think 60 fps). Maybe I should have waited for the Galaxy Note II MHL connector? This is gonna bug me until someone chimes in.
Only putting this information out there because some of this wasn't too obvious, and maybe it will save you time. I also did a review for the OTG cable for the Galaxy Note 2, and another review for the OEM MHL HDMI HDTV adapter connected to a Galaxy Note 2 in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1958511
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I just came across this post and wanted to say THANKS. I was looking for exactly this information recently and you are so right, it is very difficult to find. So thanks for putting this up. I Guess I'm still not clear why you need a 5 to 11 adapter. Is the Note 2 micro USB either 5 or 11? And the power cable that comes with it, is it also either? But the HDMI powered unit requires 11 plus a plug in to power some power source. Rather confusing. Seems like Samsung didn't put the engineering time into this that they did into the Note 2 itself, which is an amazing piece of engineering. But this whole HDMI solution is rather clumsy IMO.
Meditating_Apes said:
I just came across this post and wanted to say THANKS. I was looking for exactly this information recently and you are so right, it is very difficult to find. So thanks for putting this up. I Guess I'm still not clear why you need a 5 to 11 adapter. Is the Note 2 micro USB either 5 or 11? And the power cable that comes with it, is it also either? But the HDMI powered unit requires 11 plus a plug in to power some power source. Rather confusing. Seems like Samsung didn't put the engineering time into this that they did into the Note 2 itself, which is an amazing piece of engineering. But this whole HDMI solution is rather clumsy IMO.
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Also a big thanks to OP for sharing. will be linking to this.
From my research (research doesn't = im right. Only confident) the Note II is an 11 pin micro usb. To achieve the best performance and functionality OTG and other adapters are best when 11 pin micro to whatever your going to. This means if you use a 5 to 11 conversion your only using a few available pins for a specific purpose. Essentially the Note II smart hub is taking advantage of the extra pin set on the 11pin micro that allows for in, out and multiple usb connections. The only thing it wont do is voltage out but that probably a good thing.
EPL-3FHUBEGSTA HDTV Universal Adapter (11PIN)
That is a direct 11 pin micro to HDMI from what I can tell . Sometimes voltage is used via HDMI to carry signal and smart control. I believe this is setup specific since some of the newer equipment doesn't rely on the extra juice. So in this case the need for a power supply is situational but not required 100% of the time. I would guess that its a good idea to use it when available though unless strictly not advised by a TV manufacture. The feed rating is usually in the user manual of your TV in the input details. Or simply ask the manufacture directly. Im sure a video/audio enthusiast has much more accurate data on voltages and HDMI so I wouldn't take any of this to heart until someone more official confirms or corrects this info.
Lucidmike said:
Just wanted to share what I learned yesterday and thought it could save people some time looking this up.
The Galaxy Note 2 supports both 11-pin and 5-pin micro USB connectors.
The USB OTG (On-The-Go) adapters only come in 5-pin, and works fine with the Galaxy Note 2.
I connected the OTG adapter to a USB hub, which was fine, and 2 different devices worked fine independently, but not both at the same time. My guess is, it is a power limitation that the Galaxy Note 2 provides through the micro USB jack.
If you want to buy a HDTV (MHL HDMI) adapter for the Galaxy Note 2, it is the exact same adapter for that Galaxy S3 that is 11-pin, even though the model numbers are different. 5-pin MHL adapters (for Galaxy S2) don't work on the Galaxy Note 2.
The HDTV adapter comes with a micro USB jack (5-pin), but although you may think it is a great idea to plug an OTG cable in there, it doesn't work that way. You MUST plug in your power cable. Why it was hard for me to find this info on the net or a youtube, I'm not sure. I guess I should have read the manual, but I think was more of a design thing. You wouldn't read a manual on how to plug in cables for plugging in HDMI cables and micro USB would you?
I can only get 1080i working at 60Hz even though I know for sure my monitor does 1080p. If someone can get it working with 1080p I would like to know how smooth it is. [email protected] is actually pretty smooth (I think 60 fps). Maybe I should have waited for the Galaxy Note II MHL connector? This is gonna bug me until someone chimes in.
Only putting this information out there because some of this wasn't too obvious, and maybe it will save you time. I also did a review for the OTG cable for the Galaxy Note 2, and another review for the OEM MHL HDMI HDTV adapter connected to a Galaxy Note 2 in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1958511
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I have an amkette 7 port usb hub powered by a 5 volt 2 amp charger. So if I connect the 11 pin mhl adapter to the note 2 and connect the supplied usb charger to one of the port, and plug in to the mhl hdmi adapter, I think it ought to work. Now my other query is if I plug in a few pen drives or hard drives, will it be detected?
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Manipur said:
I have an amkette 7 port usb hub powered by a 5 volt 2 amp charger. So if I connect the 11 pin mhl adapter to the note 2 and connect the supplied usb charger to one of the port, and plug in to the mhl hdmi adapter, I think it ought to work. Now my other query is if I plug in a few pen drives or hard drives, will it be detected?
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Unfortunately it isn't that simple. On the Note 2 and GS3 it's looking for a specific resistance value to determine if a MHL device or OTG adapter is plugged in. I'd you want to do both that's a smart hub. I'm midway threw my hack project of this now. It has been done already but using a 11 pin to 5 pin adapter hacking that then strapping a 41.2k resistor on it and some soldering. Let the usb hub do the powering and your good.
My version is just more complicated version of the above so not going to go in to it till its done
I made the mistake of buying the MHL HDMI 5 pin adapter that came with the 5 to 11 pin converter (ETC-EIA2BEGSTA)
I couldn't get it to work. Even with the 5 to 11 pin converter it wouldn't work? It would be a $40 waste of it doesn't.
Ron
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thanks dude thats what Im looking for.
Lucidmike said:
Just wanted to share what I learned yesterday and thought it could save people some time looking this up.
The Galaxy Note 2 supports both 11-pin and 5-pin micro USB connectors.
The USB OTG (On-The-Go) adapters only come in 5-pin, and works fine with the Galaxy Note 2.
I connected the OTG adapter to a USB hub, which was fine, and 2 different devices worked fine independently, but not both at the same time. My guess is, it is a power limitation that the Galaxy Note 2 provides through the micro USB jack.
If you want to buy a HDTV (MHL HDMI) adapter for the Galaxy Note 2, it is the exact same adapter for that Galaxy S3 that is 11-pin, even though the model numbers are different. 5-pin MHL adapters (for Galaxy S2) don't work on the Galaxy Note 2.
The HDTV adapter comes with a micro USB jack (5-pin), but although you may think it is a great idea to plug an OTG cable in there, it doesn't work that way. You MUST plug in your power cable. Why it was hard for me to find this info on the net or a youtube, I'm not sure. I guess I should have read the manual, but I think was more of a design thing. You wouldn't read a manual on how to plug in cables for plugging in HDMI cables and micro USB would you?
I can only get 1080i working at 60Hz even though I know for sure my monitor does 1080p. If someone can get it working with 1080p I would like to know how smooth it is. [email protected] is actually pretty smooth (I think 60 fps). Maybe I should have waited for the Galaxy Note II MHL connector? This is gonna bug me until someone chimes in.
Only putting this information out there because some of this wasn't too obvious, and maybe it will save you time. I also did a review for the OTG cable for the Galaxy Note 2, and another review for the OEM MHL HDMI HDTV adapter connected to a Galaxy Note 2 in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1958511
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Thanks for that advice - much appreciated. Now to take my 5-pin device back to Jaycar and look for an 11-pin version.
Cab121 said:
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. On the Note 2 and GS3 it's looking for a specific resistance value to determine if a MHL device or OTG adapter is plugged in. I'd you want to do both that's a smart hub. I'm midway threw my hack project of this now. It has been done already but using a 11 pin to 5 pin adapter hacking that then strapping a 41.2k resistor on it and some soldering. Let the usb hub do the powering and your good.
My version is just more complicated version of the above so not going to go in to it till its done
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How is it going with your project?
I'm really curious if it is possible to connect a TV, a keyboard and mouse "the cheap" way, without either buying a (in my opinion) very expensive smart dock, or bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
Cab121 said:
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. On the Note 2 and GS3 it's looking for a specific resistance value to determine if a MHL device or OTG adapter is plugged in. I'd you want to do both that's a smart hub. I'm midway threw my hack project of this now. It has been done already but using a 11 pin to 5 pin adapter hacking that then strapping a 41.2k resistor on it and some soldering. Let the usb hub do the powering and your good.
My version is just more complicated version of the above so not going to go in to it till its done
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I am also following the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2142357. But as you said, they use an 11 to 5 pin converter. I also do not want to use that (although it works and in last case, I´d rather that than the U$99 smart dock). So, if you have the specs I also wanna build one. Please post here you journey.
About the 5 and 11 ping controversy, I found this helpfull: http://www.galaxymhl.com/
So I've got this 5 pin MHL adapter for my SGS2 here.. I found a 5 pin to 11 pin adapter on ebay which I ordered. Will it work with my old MHL adapter on the note 2?
Menvaihelv... said:
So I've got this 5 pin MHL adapter for my SGS2 here.. I found a 5 pin to 11 pin adapter on ebay which I ordered. Will it work with my old MHL adapter on the note 2?
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I bought the 5 pin MHL with the 11 pin adaptor from Samsung and it didn't work for me
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I have this adapter that I purchased for my gs3 and it works fine with my note 2 as well. I watched a movie the other day with my kids using the adapter on my tv.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089VO86Y/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Manipur said:
I have an amkette 7 port usb hub powered by a 5 volt 2 amp charger. So if I connect the 11 pin mhl adapter to the note 2 and connect the supplied usb charger to one of the port, and plug in to the mhl hdmi adapter, I think it ought to work. Now my other query is if I plug in a few pen drives or hard drives, will it be detected?
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How do you connect the 11 pin MHL adaptor (HDMI out) to a 7-port USB Hub? Can you share your setup?
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Menvaihelv... said:
So I've got this 5 pin MHL adapter for my SGS2 here.. I found a 5 pin to 11 pin adapter on ebay which I ordered. Will it work with my old MHL adapter on the note 2?
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I have bought a 11-pin to 5-pin adaptor and it works. It save me from buying another MHL adaptor for S3/Note2.
Thanks for the info
Lucidmike said:
Just wanted to share what I learned yesterday and thought it could save people some time looking this up.
The Galaxy Note 2 supports both 11-pin and 5-pin micro USB connectors.
The USB OTG (On-The-Go) adapters only come in 5-pin, and works fine with the Galaxy Note 2.
I connected the OTG adapter to a USB hub, which was fine, and 2 different devices worked fine independently, but not both at the same time. My guess is, it is a power limitation that the Galaxy Note 2 provides through the micro USB jack.
If you want to buy a HDTV (MHL HDMI) adapter for the Galaxy Note 2, it is the exact same adapter for that Galaxy S3 that is 11-pin, even though the model numbers are different. 5-pin MHL adapters (for Galaxy S2) don't work on the Galaxy Note 2.
The HDTV adapter comes with a micro USB jack (5-pin), but although you may think it is a great idea to plug an OTG cable in there, it doesn't work that way. You MUST plug in your power cable. Why it was hard for me to find this info on the net or a youtube, I'm not sure. I guess I should have read the manual, but I think was more of a design thing. You wouldn't read a manual on how to plug in cables for plugging in HDMI cables and micro USB would you?
I can only get 1080i working at 60Hz even though I know for sure my monitor does 1080p. If someone can get it working with 1080p I would like to know how smooth it is. [email protected] is actually pretty smooth (I think 60 fps). Maybe I should have waited for the Galaxy Note II MHL connector? This is gonna bug me until someone chimes in.
Only putting this information out there because some of this wasn't too obvious, and maybe it will save you time. I also did a review for the OTG cable for the Galaxy Note 2, and another review for the OEM MHL HDMI HDTV adapter connected to a Galaxy Note 2 in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1958511
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Thanks !. I had looked for these info for a long time to choose the right MHL adapter for my GN2.
So I chose the official S3/GN2 MHL adapter and it works fine.
Note that the new GS4 adapter seems to be compatible with the S3/GN2, even if the new capabilities of MHL v2.0 standard are not usable on the GN2. So it's probably a good idea to go for that new one (same price), in case you plan to change for a GS4 (or a GN3 ?)
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-H10FAUWESTA
I am also interested in a split cable (USB OTG on 1 side and MHL on the other), which would be more practical than the big smart dock (that I have bought too )
I have solved my problem. My phone is a phone now and for my tv I have bought a Mk809 iii android tv stick. It supports all my hard drives even the ntfs ones. It plays everything. Now, if I can only find a way to root it...
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Hello,
I am also looking for a similar smart dock with USB-OTG, Charging and HDMI output for my potential buying of Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition. I believe this tablet does offer the same via standard 11-pin micro USB connector (instead of the propreitary Samsung connector used in earlier models). Please see my thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2566345
I was able to find a couple of smart docks, which are adverstised to work with GNII/III and Galaxy S3/S4, all of which I believe do have the 11-pin micro USB MHL connector. Please have a look at the following
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Multimedia-Dock-HDMI-USB-Dock-Station-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-2-Galaxy-S4-I9500-S3/1439104485.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-High-Quality-HDMI-Smart-Multimedia-Dock-Charger-Station-Cradle-For-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-2-II/1405399957.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Multimedia-Dock-station-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-II-2-N7100-S3-S4-with-audio-out-and/1422156460.html
All of them are advertised to do all the functions simultaneously at the same time , that is "OTG + HDMI + Charging".
So based on the collective knowledge of the members on this thread, I need to know
1. Does any of you have tried this or a similar dock and found all functions to be working simultaneously and satisfactorily.
2. By a long shot, since S3/S4 also have an 11pin micro USB connector, have any of you tried or can comment on whether this dock would work with a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 tablet. Theoretically and technically , i think it should but need your advice.
Thanks for reading and your feedback.
Important info
Lucidmike said:
Just wanted to share what I learned yesterday and thought it could save people some time looking this up.
The Galaxy Note 2 supports both 11-pin and 5-pin micro USB connectors.
The USB OTG (On-The-Go) adapters only come in 5-pin, and works fine with the Galaxy Note 2.
I connected the OTG adapter to a USB hub, which was fine, and 2 different devices worked fine independently, but not both at the same time. My guess is, it is a power limitation that the Galaxy Note 2 provides through the micro USB jack.
If you want to buy a HDTV (MHL HDMI) adapter for the Galaxy Note 2, it is the exact same adapter for that Galaxy S3 that is 11-pin, even though the model numbers are different. 5-pin MHL adapters (for Galaxy S2) don't work on the Galaxy Note 2.
The HDTV adapter comes with a micro USB jack (5-pin), but although you may think it is a great idea to plug an OTG cable in there, it doesn't work that way. You MUST plug in your power cable. Why it was hard for me to find this info on the net or a youtube, I'm not sure. I guess I should have read the manual, but I think was more of a design thing. You wouldn't read a manual on how to plug in cables for plugging in HDMI cables and micro USB would you?
I can only get 1080i working at 60Hz even though I know for sure my monitor does 1080p. If someone can get it working with 1080p I would like to know how smooth it is. [email protected] is actually pretty smooth (I think 60 fps). Maybe I should have waited for the Galaxy Note II MHL connector? This is gonna bug me until someone chimes in.
Only putting this information out there because some of this wasn't too obvious, and maybe it will save you time. I also did a review for the OTG cable for the Galaxy Note 2, and another review for the OEM MHL HDMI HDTV adapter connected to a Galaxy Note 2 in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1958511
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So Finally I got what I was looking for on internet. I was really disappointed for not finding a clear technical explanation for the new micro usb pin configuration of samsung devices, and its relation with MHL adapters and micro usb converters.
Just to make some points clear:
Note2, Note3, S3, S4 devices are all have 11-pin micro usb output, which means if you have an old MHL Adapter with 5-pin micro usb you should use a 11-pin - to - 5-pin adapter,
otherwise if you have MHL 1.0 (designed for s3 - 24Mhz refresh rate) OR MHL 2.0 (designed for s4 - 60Mhz refresh rate) you don't need pin converters.
For other samsung devices (Note1, S2, ....)supporting MHL feature but having 5-pin micro usb output, you can either use a compatible 5 pin MHL adapter (old versions...) without need of any pin converter, OR buy (MHL 1.0, MHL 2.0) and use 5-pin - to - 11-pin converter.
Summary
11-pin devices
S3,S4,Note2,Note3 <=> 11pin micro usb
MHL 1.0, MHL 2.0 <=> 11 pin micro usb
5-pin devices
S2, Note1, ... <=> 5 pin
Old MHL adapters <=> 5 pin
Mix and match between those two different pin configurations you need to use converter from 5 - 11 or 11 - 5
source of information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
Sorry for bringing this post back from the dead...
But...
So I'm already aware of needing the converter for the 5to11 or 11to5 pin in regards to the MHL adapter. My question - is there any benefit to having an 11-pin micro USB cord (as in, should I begin to purchase 11-pin [if available] micro USB cords for all my devices to obtain such benefits [data, charging speed, etc...] or is the 11-pin fad only with Samsung and it's purpose is geared towards data transfer and the MHL adapter?
I'm a little confused on the matter.
-SlyG07

Mhl

Hi guys,
Anyone know if the n4 has mhl support like its predecessor?
Cheers
It does.
Actually, it doesn't. It uses a different technology called SlimPort HDMI which is very similar but doesn't require having your phone connected to a power source like MHL does.
It also supports Miracast which is a wireless solution.
Great, thanks. Was always disappointed that my nexus 7 didn't have any way to connect to HDMI. Well my desire s is on its way out the door on the 13th.
drumist said:
Actually, it doesn't. It uses a different technology called SlimPort HDMI which is very similar but doesn't require having your phone connected to a power source like MHL does.
It also supports Miracast which is a wireless solution.
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So does this mean that it will use the same adapter, or will there be a different one that is required to get HDMI out?
Miracast does look cool, but isn't that useful until more devices include it in or I buy a receiver for it (which I will).
I'm interested in this as well, SlimPort looks nice, except the price ($30) is way higher than MHL adapters. Are we sure that it won't work with MHL?

[Q] support for HDMI and USB OTG

im going to buy that phone but do it supposrt that? i already got hdmi and usb one from my N7000 note
wish it does(((
this phone got low storage and i really like this phone
sorry yes it doesnt have OTG support its horrible it would be awesome specially for this guy
im thinking if i get out of space
Yes it does have OTG but you need an external power.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2181820
thanks but i dont think i can find this in iran and i already got a cable for my note
anyway i dont really care about this
woops sorry! i tought its a cable is it safe:?
For HDMI out I don't think your cable will work. Majority of older phones use mhl for HDMI out but the n4 uses slimport and mhl cables will not work
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1. Nexus 4 uses Slimport, not MHL. You'd need to buy a new cable anyway.
2. OTG only works with external power, and cannot work simultaneously with Slimport (No HDMI+OTG).
3. There is Miracast, but it sucks.
damn i bough cable wanted to experience playing games on hd tv but my phone bricked after that no chance let me see if that works whit htc one s (of my father)
anyway mine got a hdmi input and a power input and a micro-usb output
and slim port is it better? never heard about it
ziddey said:
1. Nexus 4 uses Slimport, not MHL. You'd need to buy a new cable anyway.
2. OTG only works with external power, and cannot work simultaneously with Slimport (No HDMI+OTG).
3. There is Miracast, but it sucks.
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is using OTG safe whit that kernel:?
kamranhaghighi said:
is using OTG safe whit that kernel:?
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NO
o...ok...!
ziddey said:
NO
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anyway is it better than others? i mean the slimport! why did they use it:?
nvm its less power and... im trying to see if i can connect another way or..
ziddey said:
1. Nexus 4 uses Slimport, not MHL. You'd need to buy a new cable anyway.
2. OTG only works with external power, and cannot work simultaneously with Slimport (No HDMI+OTG).
3. There is Miracast, but it sucks.
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I just got the Rocket fish Miracast dongle from best buy. Works flawlessly. Streaming Netflix, HBO, CNN, etc. For gaming not useful, but for a media center experience, is perfect.
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thanks a lot anyway this is just a single drop nexus 4 is really amazing i would buy a slimport maybe i found oh ok i will play games in its 4.7 inch display
and i will do something for storage maybe use LAN in es explorer whit my PC is there anyway suck at this to acsses or files or something using network(i mean home network)

does this multimedia dock work with nexus 4?

i found this dock on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galax...id=1378589679&sr=8-1&keywords=multimedia+dock i was wondering if anyone here thinks this dock would work for a nexus. i want to connect a portable hard drive, wireless keyboard, charger and hdmi all in one. this seems to meet my needs.
I've seen a lot of comments about the Nexus 4 not supporting usb OTG devices, so it will probably only work for charging, & maybe not even that.
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amadorl608 said:
i found this dock on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galax...id=1378589679&sr=8-1&keywords=multimedia+dock i was wondering if anyone here thinks this dock would work for a nexus. i want to connect a portable hard drive, wireless keyboard, charger and hdmi all in one. this seems to meet my needs.
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No, the Nexus 4 does not support USB OTG. The HDMI output probably uses MHL for USB A/V while the Nexus 4 uses SlimPort for USB A/V. This will only be useful for charging; even then it might not charge it due to the MHL chip in it.
www.androidcentral.com/android-advanced-usb-otg-nexus-4
OTG is supported in CyanogenMod's 10.1 M2
Now the question is Will CyanogenMod's 10.1 M2 support the Samsung Galaxy Smart Dock?

Possibilities of USB C on Nexus Devices?

We have seen that on Macbook air 1 USB type C port has been utilized not just for charging but also being used as display port as well using an external adapter.
Will Nexus 6P/5X have such functionality using an additional adapter or directly may be to connect to HDMI TVs or connect OTG drives?
No. Disabled.
OTG should work, HDMI will not. I'm interested to see if the Pixel C has HDMI enabled. I would expect it to.
lensgrabber said:
OTG should work, HDMI will not. I'm interested to see if the Pixel C has HDMI enabled. I would expect it to.
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It does, and Google even sell a C-HDMI adaptor for that (only listed in the 'works with Pixel' section, though - not the Nexus sections).
Otg works... They confirmed and sell it on the store
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Thanks guys for your responses.. but why would they disable HDMI?
ragavbpl said:
Thanks guys for your responses.. but why would they disable HDMI?
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I guess because of Chromecast
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DaveHTC200 said:
I guess because of Chromecast
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I'd be curious if we could re-enable it through root, or if it's a hardware limitation.
ragavbpl said:
Thanks guys for your responses.. but why would they disable HDMI?
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It's not "disabled", just N6P doesn't have USB Type-C 3.1.
Could you please explain more?
In the Type-C spec (.zip found here http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/) it defines what pins and wires are used for what. In a Type-C port or cable there are 2 dedicated pins/wires for USB 2.0. For USB 3.1 communications there are dedicated shielded twisted pair wires used for high speed communication. To support Display Port/HDMI, the Type-C port switches the use of those high-speed data wires over to that kind of output. (I think they called this alternate mode.) Anyway, the Nexus devices only support the USB 2.0 mode. It is unclear to me which of these is the case, but it basically means that either the USB controller in the phone can't support it, or the physical pins in the port are missing to connect and use those high speed wires. (Or both.)
It is possible it is just disabled in software, but that doesn't quite make sense to me. Why include all the hardware you need to enable USB 3.1 speeds, HDMI output, and a slew of other features such as USB-PD... But simply choose not to enable them? Seems far more likely to me that the lower cost of the USB 2.0 only mode (less complex controller and port) were used instead.
Hope that helps.

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