New to the forums, looking to by my first tablet. Not really interested in the ipad 3. I want a tablet which will be good for watching videos and playing a bit of games, also want a good web browser. Which tablet will be ideal out of these 3? My budget is $500, so the price factor doesnt really matter. Neither the s pen or the keyboard dock appeal to me. Thanks!
The Infinity would be the worst drain of money you could even consider. For its price, the hardware is underpowered - typing on it right now, Browser (stock, not Chrome - it's too slow to run Chrome smoothly) force closed (this is TF700 hate-post V2) and the keyboard froze for a good 10 sec when I got back in. Build quality and the like is down to chance, but even if you get a well-built one, the I/O sucks, Tegra 3 can't push 1080p without crying to its mother and to be honest, Asus' software updates are unreliable. The alarm clock's still broken from the one before last.
The Nexus 10, on the other hand, has the most powerful processor in any mobile device right now, and it is well-equipped to power the much, much higher resolution it has to offer. You can pretty much guarantee that it will provide you with the best Android has to offer on tablets both now and for a long time into the future. The Infinity is already obsolete.
Also, the Note's only real draw is the S Pen, though for some that is pretty significant (it's like a Wacom tablet computer). So if that isn't what you're after, save yourself some money and grab the Nexus 10.
The NEXUS hands down, 100%. It is the fastest Tab on the earth with the best screen of all. If only I did not buy a N7.
If I was looking to buy a 10in tab, then I would go for the nexus 10.
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Kookas said:
The Infinity would be the worst drain of money you could even consider. For its price, the hardware is underpowered - typing on it right now, Browser (stock, not Chrome - it's too slow to run Chrome smoothly) force closed (this is TF700 hate-post V2) and the keyboard froze for a good 10 sec when I got back in. Build quality and the like is down to chance, but even if you get a well-built one, the I/O sucks, Tegra 3 can't push 1080p without crying to its mother and to be honest, Asus' software updates are unreliable. The alarm clock's still broken from the one before last.
The Nexus 10, on the other hand, has the most powerful processor in any mobile device right now, and it is well-equipped to power the much, much higher resolution it has to offer. You can pretty much guarantee that it will provide you with the best Android has to offer on tablets both now and for a long time into the future. The Infinity is already obsolete.
Also, the Note's only real draw is the S Pen, though for some that is pretty significant (it's like a Wacom tablet computer). So if that isn't what you're after, save yourself some money and grab the Nexus 10.
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I'm still within my return period at Best Buy -- and will be bringing my Infinity and dock back, and getting a Nexus 10. Build quality for mine is fine -- actually very solid, nice form factor, superb battery and nice display. But it IS a bit laggy, and between ASUS and NVidia, there's way too much in the way of arcane routines to go through in order to unlock, root and safely flash it. Nexus 10 promises to be a much better experience in this respect. I'll be getting the 32GB N10.
If the Nexus 10 had 3G then I don't think I would hesitate to chose it, I have a nexus 7 and I'm thinking about giving it to my wife and getting a new Nexus 7 32GB+3G version, from the look of how the nexus 7 is going, I may just wait for the Nexus 10 in a few months when they bring out the 64GB+3G nexus 10 (although 32GB is probably more likely, I may just hold out for the 3G version)
Thanks for the input guys. Do you guys think the nexus 10 will get custom Rom like the cleanrom on the tf700, because I would like flash lol.
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Thanks for the input guys. Do you guys think the nexus 10 will get custom Rom like the cleanrom on the tf700, because I would like flash lol.
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are you serious? the pure Jelly bean is the best.. why would you want to replace it?
to your question, easy choice. nexus 10, of course. Im using a Note 10.1 and it sucks really bad.
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Thanks for the input guys. Do you guys think the nexus 10 will get custom Rom like the cleanrom on the tf700, because I would like flash lol.
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Nexii have classically been rom magnets, though there is always the danger that they've finally released enough to dilute this effect. Also important is the number of users, which is also correlated to the number of roms. The 10 inch android tablet is not proven (but this is probably its best chance).
CleanRom on the Infinity is an Asus ROM, trimmed lovingly. It's still a manufacturer ROM, though, and I would bet you 2 Nexus 10's that the Asus UI never makes it to the n10.
I returned my infinity for the reasons in post 2. I'm not bitter, I just think my $500 is better spent elsewhere when my phone is better than my tablet...
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Sorry for my horrible knowledge on the devices lol im new to all this, after all, I'm coming from an apple product. Will there still be a way to obtain flash on the n10?
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The NEXUS hands down, 100%. It is the fastest Tab on the earth with the best screen of all. If only I did not buy a N7.
If I was looking to buy a 10in tab, then I would go for the nexus 10.
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ya, till now the best u can say i guess :fingers-crossed:
Stock Infinity is a no no
Manan1 said:
New to the forums, looking to by my first tablet. Not really interested in the ipad 3. I want a tablet which will be good for watching videos and playing a bit of games, also want a good web browser. Which tablet will be ideal out of these 3? My budget is $500, so the price factor doesnt really matter. Neither the s pen or the keyboard dock appeal to me. Thanks!
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It's not worth spending your money on TF700T because it lags crazy! I'm finally Unlocked (Clean rom 2.3) But what's the point? I just voided my warranty for a device that can't run smoothly without a Custom Rom. Get a device that actually runs smoothly without any type of tweaking.
My Infinity works great but It's not the same feeling like i had before i unlocked it (Fear of Bricking). I might even buy N10, Hopefully i don't get same experience i had on infinity.
Since that is cleared up, I would say Nexus 10 seems like a better deal in Hardware but If you want features like S-Pen and what not then Note is great. But at end of the day, you will be frustrated with slow OS than not having the features (S-Pen, Multiscreen)
Wait till there are couple of reviews for Nexus 10, I will not buy anything else until i see a video for it.
TF700T Disappointed me.
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It's not worth spending your money on TF700T because it lags crazy! I'm finally Unlocked (Clean rom 2.3) But what's the point? I just voided my warranty for a device that can't run smoothly without a Custom Rom. Get a device that actually runs smoothly without any type of tweaking.
My Infinity works great but It's not the same feeling like i had before i unlocked it (Fear of Bricking). I might even buy N10, Hopefully i don't get same experience i had on infinity.
Since that is cleared up, I would say Nexus 10 seems like a better deal in Hardware but If you want features like S-Pen and what not then Note is great. But at end of the day, you will be frustrated with slow OS than not having the features (S-Pen, Multiscreen)
Wait till there are couple of reviews for Nexus 10, I will not buy anything else until i see a video for it.
TF700T Disappointed me.
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Thanks, I guess I can wait a while and read some reviews
yea, if I were you I would avoid the TF700, especially if you don't want/need a keyboard dock.
It has a nice deisgn, and a great screen, but it is laggy as crap and I haven't rooted mine so the overall experience sucks.
On paper it's almost the perfect tablet. Unfortunately Asus really dropped the ball on this one.
I'm probably getting the Nexus 10. Then selling it if Asus makes a really nice Transformer replacement at CES. Or I'm switching to Windows 8. I have no idea what I want to do.
People , I was checking the App store , and found a good number of Apps supported for the tablet , Apple may boast a 275000 app selection , but many of them are just show off (like the brain explorer , titanic time) and so forth , they look good for a couple of weeks , until their charm fades away
The main ones are content comsumption apps , and the market has a handful of them (CNN , cnbc , even TV streams) Google docs on google drive is a charm to use.
PLus I wont be bogged down by itunes all the time ,
Nexus 10 is a definate buy if u r not in the apple ecosystem
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People , I was checking the App store , and found a good number of Apps supported for the tablet , Apple may boast a 275000 app selection , but many of them are just show off (like the brain explorer , titanic time) and so forth , they look good for a couple of weeks , until their charm fades away
The main ones are content comsumption apps , and the market has a handful of them (CNN , cnbc , even TV streams) Google docs on google drive is a charm to use.
PLus I wont be bogged down by itunes all the time ,
Nexus 10 is a definate buy if u r not in the apple ecosystem
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Mm. One of my key reasons for not buying anything Apple is to use one to its fullest, you need the whole iRange, and Mac has the disadvantage vs Windows when it comes to ecosystem (especially games) so I don't really want to.
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Mm. One of my key reasons for not buying anything Apple is to use one to its fullest, you need the whole iRange, and Mac has the disadvantage vs Windows when it comes to ecosystem (especially games) so I don't really want to.
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If you want a Mac and don't hate your money:
Buy a wicked Windows PC/laptop for 1/3 the price of a mac with comparable hardware
Do this
Use in full screen mode
Profit
To those who are saying the Note 10.1 and the Transformer Infinity are ****ty tablets, how could you possibly think that? Have you never used a Coby tablet running GB?
To answer the OPs question, don't buy a tablet at all. Tablets are transitional technology, they won't be around forever and the ones that are brand new depreciate in six months and become totally outdated in a year. Even if tablets weren't a completely pointless waste of money, even if you could find some productive use for it that would make it practical for you to own one, no matter what tablet you buy it will be totally outdated in a year. So I say spend your money on something else.
After having all three, I'm holding on to my Nexus 10. The my experience with the ASUS TF700 was frustrating, and after multiple returns for a variety of issues I got a "good" one. Stock it's a frustrating experience, and making the necessary modifications voids your warranty.
The Note was a great tablet, although I'm not a fan of TouchWiz it wasn't so bad. It stomped the TF700 in web browsing too. The S-Pen was a novelty for me though, so I figured I'd save some money.
The Nexus is a beast, no regrets.
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For your requirements, watching movies and playing games, I'd recommend:
1) Galaxy Note 10.1
The CPU/GPU and resolution are balanced right and all games are fast. Screen on battery life is consistently ~8 hours. Benefit is it's not just a consumption device but also creativity and productivity with pen for drawing, paperless note taking, etc. Price was dropped to $499 for 32GB version to compete with Nexus 10.
2) Nexus 10
Has potential but games need to be optimized for it and the ridiculously high resolution. Battery life, sound quality and screen quality are behind Galaxy Note 10.1. It's a brand new device so there are minor issues that need to be addressed with the upcoming OS updates.
Skip the Tegra3 Infinity. When looking at Google Play comments for games I always see people reporting performance and games not working on TF201/300/700 devices while it's fine on other devices. I had the Nexus 7 and some games like Nova 3, etc. are laggy while fine on the other devices.
Another option unless you're anxious to get something now is to wait closer to Christmas and hope for new devices to appear. A Galaxy Note 12" 1080p with 4-core Exynos 5450, 4GB DRAM, etc. would be ideal.
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Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk
Is this where we post "Cool story bro"?
Just remove the lock option if its peeing you off,
i don't have it set on mine so its instant off,
also use another launcher or if you like the stock launch then just have it set with the single home screen,
i currently use the TW launcher with 1 home screen and 2 widgets no problems,
have come close to buying another tablet but there isn't one that feels as good a the 7.7...
I still cannot believe that the nexus tablet is going to be sold as cheap as it is rumored to be atm.
Anyways, let's say it really is: Then it would actually be a good idea to get rid of the unsupported tab 7.7 in time, as you could easily buy two nexus tabs for the money the 7.7 is valued right now.
I think there has to be a hook somewhere.
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Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk
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it is a really good idea i have a same feeling too
I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
As others have mentioned, swap out the stock launcher & browser, use NoLock, etc. I have tweaked around almost all the deficiencies of the 7.7 and have 99% of what I want in my perfect tablet. The only troublesome issues are this random looping reboot problem that we're discussing in the other thread I haven't been able to make headway with and also that i wish i could enable bluetooth phone profile on the Verizon version.
Maybe when more details are announced for Nexus Tab that make it more awesome, and if the damn random reboot problem on my VZ 7.7 keeps happening.
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I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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100% agreed
There will be compromise, Mostly screen Nothing beats Amoled!!, no gsm 3g, maybe tiny battery , bigger chunkyer, not magnesium crappyer build quality. The reason the cpu will be good is because it will be mass manufactured, and thats why the price will be so affordable. I think.
I was reading a report online last week that spoke of them going into mass production with some CPU manufacturer, lets see as I have my good days and bad day with the galaxy tab 7.7....
Do wish they would kick the ICS out for this baby and we could see if worth keeping or not, but yes I totally agree with most people on this and Samsung has dropped the ball on this and will be my last Samsung product
I also agree with OP's point to an extent. I actually went from an original Galaxy Tablet, to the 7 Plus, and hate that Samsung does this to their customers. They got our money and forgot about after purchase support. If the 7.7 wasn't such a great device I wouldn't have went with another Samsung.
The next best device I would consider for myself would be the Toshiba Thrive 7.7 - also a SAMOLED+ screen, Tegra 3, skinnier than 7.7 but Wifi only and i really enjoy the battery life and built in LTE from the tablet w/ my 7.7.
be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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to hit the price point, those things are well worth the sacrifice.
unless your tablet is your sole device, most people will have a phone which can do all those other things. the tablet was meant to be a secondary device you can use which is inbetween completely portable (phone) and non-portable (desktop).
Humm, no 3g that sux. I use 3g for data.
WiFi at home 3g when I am not, thats a deal braker for me.
I don't have the 7.7 but having played with it in store, I can't imagine Google matching it in quality for the price point they want. That'd be a pretty incredible feat.
Given that I think it'd be a hasty mistake to sell. It sucks for ICS to still not be there but it'll come - and chances are good you'll have a better tab than Google's then.
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Got £340 in the end for the tab and have just spent £200 on the g7,sold just in time me thinks.
Feels like I got there just in time.
If 7.7 had Samsung support I wouldn't have swapped
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The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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Yep though Tegra3 is superior CPU, I think once ICS drops, aside from Tegrazone games we won't notice any real life difference. The CPU @ 1.4 in our 7.7 is more than fast enough. Heck even my 1Ghz Tegra2 sony tablet s flies with ICS
The killer battery life and 3G is whats making me keep this instead of flogging and buying a Nexus 7 (at a profit too lol)
I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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Just wait for ICS, with hopefull improvements it will blow the nexus tan out the water even if it has "better software"
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This has been discussed in other threads, but hopefully this will be a more rational discussion. Please, no fanboys or trolls. It seems to be an obvious comparison right now: Samsung Note 10.1 vs. The Asus Transformer Infinity.
I'm getting a new tablet soon, and was hoping for some helpful information. Along the way it'll be great if this thread helps others with their decision. I had a Samsung 8.9 LTE and loved it, but it was stolen. Just a bit slow though. If either the Note or the Infinity came in a 8.9" form factor I'd buy it immediately. My wife has an Ipad 3. Sorry, but I don't like it. Too much of a PITA to deal with. (Did I mention that I DETEST Itunes?) Great for her though. I will be using the tablet as a portable media center (movies, music and ebooks; I spend a great deal of time on the road.), web browsing, and using it profesionally to look at large, image heavy, PDF documents. Rendering speed and search speed of those documents is very important.
I have not seen a note 10.1 yet... I've read everything I could find on both though. I have played with the infinity and the Tab 2 10.1 at Best Buy. My impressions so far:
Build quality: It's a wash for me. I've seen a number of complaints about the Asus. However, the demo model at Best Buy seemed just fine. I guess I'm not too worried about it; if there's any problems with the Asus I could return it to Best Buy. And I would without hesitation. Same with the Samsung, but every Samsung product I've had has been fine. (With the exception of some BT problems on 2 early Skyrockets.)
Display: Another wash for me. OK, OK, the Infinity is full HD. That said, the display on the Tab 2 was just fine. I could see no pixelation. To be honest, the extra bright mode on the Asus impressed me more than the resolution. Also, I need to view large PDF images, and speed of render is very important. Though I didn't get a chance to view any large images on the Asus, I'm going to guess that it will render somewhat slower due to the resolution. And yes, an extra second matters in this case. maybe I'm wrong about the render time? The render time is the primary reason I want the Note over the Tab 2.
Performance: Advantage Note. See render time above under display.
The Stylus. Not sure about this one. I do need to take notes and draw occasionally. I'm wondering if after six months the pen would become something I couldn't live without? I wonder if there will be CAD programs come along that will take advantage of the stylus? It would be great if I could do 2D CAD work on the tablet and do the 3D stuff later at home...
Docking Keyboard: Advantage Asus. Seems very, very nice. Especially with the extra battery life. How well do BT keyboards work with the Samsung I wonder? On the other hand, I'm a slow typist. I could see myself becoming addicted to the stylus... Or, I might never use it. Only one way to find out I guess.
Speakers: Advantage Samsung. I listened to both. No contest here, the Sammy blows the Asus away. This also makes the Sammy the winner in movie watching for me.
Web Browsing: I'm not sure.
I would appreciate any insight or opinions anyone has to offer.
Thanks!!!
I think Acer also has FHD tab (iconia 700 or something). I guess that also deserves to fight here as it seems to be same-spec'd as Asus Infinity.
If the full hd does not TRUELY matter, I would say the note fits you better. Your need for a tablet seems more fitted towards entertainment, so keep in mind fhd is better for movies and reading. I've read a few issues on the infinity having issues or slow rendering with big PDFs (I forget which one and it could be fix by now). Again so if you can't really tell the difference between the two resolution, get the note. For entertainment, the note will give you stereo speakers (two speakers pointed towards you), Bluetooth with aptx codec (if the quality of streaming audio matters). The infinity has been out for awhile now so most, if not all its flaws are known and most of those flaws are not deal breakers. The note hasnt been mass release yet so it's still not a fair fight between the two. Wait til the note is officially release and see if there's any flaws in the tablet.
If the spen is really what you need then the note is for you. But with me fhd and the spen are equally weighted. it will really depends on how many flaws each tablet has that will lean me towards the other.
( even though the a700 is fhd at the same price the infinity is better all around)
I returned my Transformer Infinity and somehow ended up here looking for a new tablet. (Related thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830473) Simply put, I'm never buying another Asus product again.
I'm really leaning towards buying a Galaxy Note as soon as possible. Unless I find some other tablets that look better or find some flaws on Galaxy Note, I will probably buy it. Looks like "Meet the new way" thing is going to happen soon in New York, and hopefully I will be able to buy them within a few days if not hours.
I own the TF700. I am actually considering the Note. Here is what I have been considering...
My TF700 is super fast after the last update. I have zero issues.
I have not had a chance to test out any blue tooth stuff yet, since I dont have any blue tooth headphones. Never owned any, and I really dont know if I will.
I am a HUUUUGE music guy. All my music is in Google's cloud using Google Play. This is why I chose Android over Apple, strictly cause of the way I can store music, along with how the interface looks. Music is my number 1, period.
with that said, i dont listen to music or any audio for that matter using the external speaker. No need for it. I know the note has those stereo speakers, but I dont know if I would ever use them. My stuff sounds great right now through cans, so I am not sure if I am going to hear a difference with the Note.
Display - HD vs whatever the display of the note is. Now, I dont THINK I would have an issue with going from HD to the display of the Note. If the Note display can look as good or better than my wife's Ipad2 that would be awesome.
Quality Control - I have light bleed at the bottom of my tab. this is a VERY common problem. I sent the first one back which had it, and now my second has it. Other than that, the tablet is perfect, really. I only see it during boot up. I thought who cares cause the thing is so fast, but I know it is there, so I am sure the Note will have more of a quality build.
Benchmarks - I dont know about this. From the videos posted here, the Note is getting the best benchmark, beating the TF700. But I personally feel that user experience is what should drive this. That said.....I still have in the back of my mind that the Note will be faster in stock, and be even faster with DEV roms But am I going to see it? But I still want it
Support - This is number 2 to my music. Asus puts out firmware like my wife buys shoes. We are also getting Jelly Bean very soon (confirmed, but no date). I have read that Samsung stinks at pushing firmware? can anyone comment on that? Also, has there been any word on when JB will be hitting the Note? With the Note having an issue with exfat on the SD cards, when will a fix be pushed? Those lack of updates scare me with Samsung.
Spen - I dont care. I guess I could use it for taking notes at work, but I was considering the transformer keyboard (maybe) for mine. Not a huge deal at all for me.
Dual screen thing - very cool, but the Overskreen app does that as well, so I dont really care for this feature either.
So my thinking is, I am actually very happy with my tablet, but I am one of those who dwell on the fact that I could return it (in my 30 day window with BB) and grab the note and could have that little bit more of performance, more quality control...but it is possible I could lose the firmware/jelly bean pushes (can someone speak to that?) and lose the HD.
I am still considering the Note. Hell, I might even keep my TF700 until the 30 day mark, and return it all together until I can see some real life stats of the Note. If I dont think it will suit my needs, I go back and get the Asus. Sounds dumb, but for 500 bucks, I am looking for perfection.
My usage is Music by far #1, Browsing #2, and maybe some games. That is what I am using it for at the moment. It is a luxury item for me right now.
If I find that real life stats on the Note just SMOKE the Asus, I may be getting it.
I know for sure I will get it if they push updates and it gets jelly bean soon, soon as in this year, not next.
I hope that makes sense, and I was trying to be objective and not be a fanboy
I am really considering the Note, but I need some real life stats before I make the change.
Good idea for a thread, because there ARE people out there like me, who are considering one or the other, or already own one and are thinking about switching.
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I think Acer also has FHD tab (iconia 700 or something). I guess that also deserves to fight here as it seems to be same-spec'd as Asus Infinity.
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The biggest asset for me is connectivity; i.e. full size USB, memory cards, HDMI, etc. This is where Samsung have not progressed and ACER and ASUS (with the dock) have. How much more would it cost the manufacturers to have an option to add more RAM?
Having said all that, the Note 10.1 is impressive and the unlocked tab costs SAR2,600 here in Saudi Arabia from various leading shops. ($1=SAR3.75)
was watching the live stream and the guy said jb will be out for the note by this year
Another big Plus is the usage as telephone in the 3G Version.
Since I have a dual card, its nice answering phone calls, while watching a movie.
This isn't meant as a put-down on Asus; they deliver great value. But that value comes at a price. Since the OG Transformer they've had design, QC, and performance issues. The latter due to using second-tier suppliers to keep costs down. Here are some examples.
HannStar Displays - All Asus tablet forums have threads on backlight bleeding, bad pixels, and other types of display defects that affect a larger than typical number of devices. There's also haptic feedback issues which could be the panel, digitizer, or both.
AzureWave Wi-Fi Radios - Premium manufacturers use Broadcom. AzureWave is why Asus doesn't support 5GHz Wi-Fi and most likely the source of BT interference that bogs down streaming when BT is connected.
Cheap NAND - All of Asus’ tablets suffer from IO issues.
Assembly Issues - Creaking, displays becoming separated, frames bending around the dock connector, and other issues that point to weak assembly tolerances, poor design, or some combination of both. This thread in the TF700 forum describes (by owners) some of the issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1815968. In addition, a tear-down of the Prime reinforces issues in the assembly process. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cr...ardown-solid-tablet-but-not-without-flaws/399
Service and Repair – Their outsourced repair facility in Texas is atrocious. All of the Asus forums are riddled with stories of devices damaged while being repaired, accusations of customer induced damage to avoid warranty costs, long turnaround times, and ineffective communication for status.
Warranty Void for Unlocking the Bootloader – And they don’t provide NVFlash support for people to be able to recover on their own.
Samsung outsells Asus (N7 excepted) three-to-one in tablets and we all know they are the dominant player in non-Apple smartphones. They also manufacture a great deal of their own components. Because of this their cost-of-goods is untouchable by other manufacturers. So for Asus to deliver more than Samsung when their component costs are higher means there had to be cuts made somewhere. What I listed above are just some of those cuts. If folks are happy with their Asus products and aren’t personally experiencing or concerned about the issues that riddle their forums that’s totally cool. Like I said, Asus tablets are a great value. And things like ports aren't a functional differentiator, all can be replicated via add-ons for the Note. It's a matter of adding the additional cost to the total price you're willing to pay. But different strokes for different folks.
Here are some things that, at least for me, made me buy the Note. Even without a 1080P display.
Performance - It feels in use exactly what the benchmarks portray.
Rock Solid Wireless – The Note has BT 4.0 and aptX. If none of you have listened to lossless audio over BT it’s incredible. I have it on my One X and it sounds better with high-end headphones than a physical connection. The Note also has a/b/g/n Wi-Fi support with channel bonding and Samsung’s always supported 5GHz. GPS also supports Glonass.
Durability – I’ve had a Samsung phone and two Samsung tablets (three counting the Note). From experience and watching activity on their forums there are fewer issues with build quality and longevity with Samsung products than any other. They may be “plasticky” but they stand up to tough treatment very well.
Specific Note Features – I won’t elaborate because they’re already being talked about.
- S-Pen
- Multi-view
- Overall performance
- Browser experience
- Wireless performance
- True stereo output with forward facing speakers
- Build quality and support
- TW mini-apps, Awake Stay, Pop up play, AllShare Cast, Buddy Photo
All of this is a big YMMV because everyone has different sensitivities and uses their devices differently. So agreement on which is better, the Note or TF700, will never happen. And for the love of God, those of you that are diehard Asus fans don't go on a tear about the commentary I've provided. Whether it's happening to you or not all of it is substantiated on the TF101, TF201, TF300, TF700, and N7 forums with threads over 10 pages long discussing each item I've outlined.
I need to see one and test one in real life before the 3rd to make my decision.
I am hoping BB gets them in stock.
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Barry...I am still waiting for those videos
All the full reviews are starting to be released now that the announcement’s been made. They were already written but embargoed. Since we've been talking about the display and agree how important it is, here's a comment from PCWorld. I've noticed the same thing because when I put my P7500 next to the Note, in spite of them both having the same resolution, the display on the Note is clearly superior.
"However, Samsung has clearly done something with this tablet to boost its display performance. The sharpness and color of images is dramatically better than the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, and my high-resolution images in the Google Gallery had sharpness and detail that came close to what you'd find on the high-pixel density displays. (Another observation: Android tablets typically struggle with skin tones, but the Note 10.1 produced some of the most realistic skin tones I've seen.) Text clarity was better than than on the abysmal Galaxy Tab 2, but it couldn't hold a candle to what you'd get on any of the high-pixel density displays."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2609...w_the_pen_sets_this_android_tablet_apart.html
P.S. – In the article they talk about an attachment issue with Gmail. If anyone has an issue with it the solution is to set Gmail up using push via ActiveSync in the stock e-mail client. I do that anyway because it’s better integrated with other stock apps and my other e-mail accounts.
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I returned my Transformer Infinity and somehow ended up here looking for a new tablet. (Related thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830473) Simply put, I'm never buying another Asus product again.
I'm really leaning towards buying a Galaxy Note as soon as possible. Unless I find some other tablets that look better or find some flaws on Galaxy Note, I will probably buy it. Looks like "Meet the new way" thing is going to happen soon in New York, and hopefully I will be able to buy them within a few days if not hours.
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I just noticed up my infinity to take it back tomorrow. By far the worst tablet experience I've ever had. Screen flicker, screen bleed, and the brightness even with auto brightness of constantly fluctuates. And the Asus seems very sluggish to me also. I've got a nexus 7 that runs as smooth as can be, but my int. htc one x with tegra 3 is very lagy also. Makes me wonder just how great tegra 3 chips really aren't?
I do love the keyboard dock though, would be nice if Samsung came out with something like it.
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The Huawei FHD may be worth considering also, it had great specs and a similar dock to the asus, I'm looking at these 3 tablets but I'm going to wait until the Huawei gets reviewed before I decide which one to buy
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The Huawei FHD may be worth considering also, it had great specs and a similar dock to the asus, I'm looking at these 3 tablets but I'm going to wait until the Huawei gets reviewed before I decide which one to buy
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When is the huawei mediapad coming out? And that thing only has a 6600mAh battery, with the high resolution screen, it won't be enough.
I am hoping best buy has them in Stock soon. I am taking this up there and comparing it have never used touch wiz.
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I am hoping best buy has them in Stock soon. I am taking this up there and comparing it have never used touch wiz.
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You probably won't be a fan. I'm not particularly. It does provide some decent additional features, integration, and short cuts but it's both bland and cartoonish at the same time. Bland in the way the different menus and editorial are presented and cartoonish based on the widgets and icons. I have a One X and HTC does a fantastic job with Sense. Both in the way it's presented and by giving it a more polished and contemporary feel. The widgets on the Note blow. For example the calendar widget is 4x6 and can't be resized. Same thing with the other S-Planner widgets which are 4x4 so you can't stack them vertically. I'm still pissed they left out Social Hub. It's not the world's greatest social solution but at least I got all my notifications in one place instead of having multiple odd looking widgets with each individual app cluttering the notification bar when something new comes in. The pop-up mini-apps have been around since the OG G-Tab but with the power of the Note they are actually usable now. You do get 50GB of Dropbox for two-years and it’s well-integrated with all the other apps and a lot of third party apps. That beats the 6GB from Asus with their proprietary cloud. If you end up getting a Note it won’t be because of TW.
Can you not install third party widgets like hd widgets,?
I will be looking at how chrome performs how smooth things open and close and how Google music works with touch wiz.
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I'm also considering the note 10.1 and returning my infinity, too many issues, returned my prime for the infinity, much better than the prime, but doesn't feel right, good luck
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I guess I'm not the only one struggling with this same decision. I almost bought a TF700t around a week ago until I started reading about all of the IO issues with the transformer line. The keyboard dock ability for the ASUS is something I would like to have but Samsung does have an official keyboard dock for the note that will be available also so it at least gives me an option for that. It may not have an extended battery and the extra full size ports but I think I can live with that.
Overall I am really seriously leaning towards the Note 10.1 for the following reasons.
1) Stock Performance - if its this good out of the box, Custom Roms will really fly.
2) 2GB Ram = future longevity & multitasking
3) Odin = easy to mod, fairly hard to brick. Asus could have this too with NVFlash but it sounds like they have done some work to make sure users cant use it.
4) Stereo front facing speakers - Yes headphones are better but it would be nice to have real speakers on the device. Having speakers facing away from the user is junk.
I still own a Galaxy S (Epic 4G) for my daily driver. I removed touchwiz from it long ago in favor of Cyanogenmod and haven't looked back. And while Samsung has been pretty bad on their software updates in the past, I do feel like they have been getting better with the newer devices, plus there's always the dev community to the rescue. Their hardware on the other hand, I have always thought was some of the best on the market.
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Sure, third party apps and widgets perform the way they always do.
I will be looking at how chrome performs how smooth things open and close and how Google music works with touch wiz.
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If you use Chrome you'll lose multi-view. Only certain stock apps work in multi-view. The stock browser's incredibly fast and Samsung's always done an excellent job with h/w browser acceleration. Between stock and Chrome I'd bet stock is faster.
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Stock Performance - if its this good out of the box, Custom Roms will really fly...
...I removed touchwiz from it long ago in favor of Cyanogenmod and haven't looked back.
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The difference is all the Note's proprietary apps. Just like today, if you replace Sense or TW with a third party launcher none of HTC or Samsung's widgets work outside the overlay. If the devs tweak the stock ROM making sure to preserve all the stuff like the functionality of the S-Pen, multi-view, and the other imbedded stuff everyone should be fine. Putting an AOSP ROM on the Note will obliterate all the features you're buying it for. Unless you're really buying it just for the h/w platform. The Note is further away from stock Android than any other device on the market because of all the non-standard stuff Samsung's baked in.
I get irrationally excited about each new Nexus device, and as such I pre-ordered the N9 as soon as I was able to (32GB version).
Today, I decided that the device is not worth the $500+ cost (including tax and shipping for the 32GB model). I already have a N7 (2013, 32GB), and N10 (16GB), and both still work great for my needs. All I really do is web-browsing and watch movies/TV (Hulu Plus, NetFlix, Google Play Movies) on my tablets, so what is this new device going to offer me in terms of real-world performance? I am a bit of a spec-whore, but the new N9 only has 2GB of RAM and a non-interesting PPI, so I don't feel like the N9 gives any bragging rights.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the N9 will be great, but for my needs, this will be the first Nexus device not making its way into my mailbox.
The N6, on the other hand, will definitely be replacing my N5!
Interesting, why did you decide that the Nexus 6 was a worthy upgrade while the Nexus 9 was not? I certainly understand thinking that neither is worth the upgrade, but the Nexus 9 looks to be a much bigger bump over the Nexus 7 than the Nexus 6 vs the 5. The 9's SoC is much more powerful than the 7's, while the 6 is more of a modest upgrade to the 5.
Nexus 9 is not a successor of the N7, it is from the N10
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Gosh you're making me second guess my pre order.
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Interesting, why did you decide that the Nexus 6 was a worthy upgrade while the Nexus 9 was not? I certainly understand thinking that neither is worth the upgrade, but the Nexus 9 looks to be a much bigger bump over the Nexus 7 than the Nexus 6 vs the 5. The 9's SoC is much more powerful than the 7's, while the 6 is more of a modest upgrade to the 5.
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I agree with this, but I was shocked at the nexus 6 price! No way I can afford that for a while, that's for sure! 4 kids near Xmas lol. I am interested to see the specs and price of the oneplus two! This company has a bright future, Thay just have to lose the frustrating invitation only system.
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Interesting, why did you decide that the Nexus 6 was a worthy upgrade while the Nexus 9 was not? I certainly understand thinking that neither is worth the upgrade, but the Nexus 9 looks to be a much bigger bump over the Nexus 7 than the Nexus 6 vs the 5. The 9's SoC is much more powerful than the 7's, while the 6 is more of a modest upgrade to the 5.
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For my smartphone, the increased screen size of the N6 is useful for things like GPS, watching movies, and reading. I already watch a pretty large amount of video content on my phone, so a bigger screen will improve the experience.
Also, the N6 just looks so pretty
My Nexus 7's touch screen decided to stop working on the hardware side after a year (it took a hard fall while moving this summer but it was in a case) and I couldn't RMA it because the warrantee expired. I decided that the Nexus 9 was worth it for me because of the k1 Denver which is a huge upgrade over the N7 (2013) processor. The 2gb of RAM isn't ideal, however its still more than enough for me to play some games and use it for various things. I am also excited about the larger size, I had a LG G Pad 8.3 until it got water damaged and I miss the larger tablet experience. This summer was full of bad luck with devices for me so I am eager to start fresh with s great new tablet. I considered the Tab S for a while but I couldn't get over that terrible home button and capacitive keys on it. I know everyone is different and the price is high for a nexus but it's still cheaper than a pos ipad.
The nexus 7 can be sluggish at times when rendering complex web pages.
Try androidcentral for example. So I decided to swap it out.
I tried a Galaxy Tab S 8.4 which has an incredible screen and is quite good overall, but that god awful touchwiz with it's stupid small lags drove me nuts - so I sold it as well.
What remains is Nexus 9 I suppose.
I just can't accept a 32GB device. Not now. Not after I've had several devices now with 64GB of storage. My first Android tablet, 3 years ago...32GB plus a 32GB card.
I'll swap the N10 for the N9 and keep the N5 and it's a pretty easy decision for me.
While the N10 still is a great device with a superb display (for 10" tablet) it could use a little more power. I use it to read on the web most of the time and it's often sluggish while browsing now. That especially became apparent after I got the N5.
What's keeping me from getting the N6 is the size and also the price. 6" is just too big for a phone that's supposed to reside in my pocket. If it would be priced in the range of its predecessors I maybe would try it for the fun of it, but at 700 - definitely not.
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I'll swap the N10 for the N9 and keep the N5 and it's a pretty easy decision for me.
While the N10 still is a great device with a superb display (for 10" tablet) it could use a little more power. I use it to read on the web most of the time and it's often sluggish while browsing now. That especially became apparent after I got the N5.
What's keeping me from getting the N6 is the size and also the price. 6" is just too big for a phone that's supposed to reside in my pocket. If it would be priced in the range of its predecessors I maybe would try it for the fun of it, but at 700 - definitely not.
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Really like the sound of the Motorola droid turbo, monster of a phone! Also has a very large battery almost 4000mah
I pre-ordered an lte one from Best Buy and have similar thoughts Maybe the nvidia shield, but, decided to go through with it, and yes I feel its expensive. But had $25 in reward dollars and can pay it off over a year.
I do need a tablet with built in lte do to the fact we do a lot of short trips with medicore wifi, or the hotel charging for medicore wifi. Yes I can wifi tether but it burns the battery down on the phone, and being away, use that as well. Still have about a month to thnk about it, and if I change my mind, can just not open up the packaging and bring it the local BestBuy for a refund.
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I just can't accept a 32GB device. Not now. Not after I've had several devices now with 64GB of storage. My first Android tablet, 3 years ago...32GB plus a 32GB card.
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Depends on needs I suppose. It's no secret the N9 is targeting more productivity-oriented people. If I were primarily a multimedia/games consumer, I wouldn't be terribly interested in the N9.
For me though, I'm a student, and when I'm not doing student stuff, I'm generally doing emails, vid chat, web browsing, maybe a casual game occasionally like poker or something, so the N9 16GB is actually all I need. To be honest the only time I ever feel space constraints is when it comes to loading up a bunch of apps (which I'll never use) or putting HD movies on the device.
Plus, the availability of 64GB otg usb sticks for 40 or so bucks make that a non-issue really.
As for phones, I see no incentives to go from the N5 to the n6. Technically the N5 is still a better phone than most people are using, not to say that from an elitist sense, but the fact that as far as tech specs go, apps and everything else, it's got what most people need (or don't need considering the recent NFC shutoff debacle at walmart and other major retailers)... Especially considering I'm the type of person who will be carrying my N9 just about everywhere. I'm not going toward this "I'll read and browse on my phablet" trend. 6" is too small to enjoy doing tablet stuff, and it's too big to be a comfortable phone, in the pocket and in the hand.
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I get irrationally excited about each new Nexus device, and as such I pre-ordered the N9 as soon as I was able to (32GB version).
Today, I decided that the device is not worth the $500+ cost (including tax and shipping for the 32GB model). I already have a N7 (2013, 32GB), and N10 (16GB), and both still work great for my needs. All I really do is web-browsing and watch movies/TV (Hulu Plus, NetFlix, Google Play Movies) on my tablets, so what is this new device going to offer me in terms of real-world performance? I am a bit of a spec-whore, but the new N9 only has 2GB of RAM and a non-interesting PPI, so I don't feel like the N9 gives any bragging rights.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the N9 will be great, but for my needs, this will be the first Nexus device not making its way into my mailbox.
The N6, on the other hand, will definitely be replacing my N5!
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It's kinda hard to hear someone say that the N9 is too expensive and then decide to go for the much more expensive N6 instead.
I agree that not everyone needs a ton of storage, but there's NO excuse for them to not even give us the option. OTG sticks out, can get broken off, and uses power. So no, it's not a non-issue.
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It's kinda hard to hear someone say that the N9 is too expensive and then decide to go for the much more expensive N6 instead.
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I can certainly understand the confusion, other than the fact that I didn't say the N9 is too expensive. What I said is that the cost of the device is not worth it FOR ME, given the devices I already have and the usage requirements for said devices. N9 will no doubt be a great device, and if I were buying a new tablet today, it would be the first (and only) one on my list.
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The nexus 7 can be sluggish at times when rendering complex web pages.
Try androidcentral for example. So I decided to swap it out.
I tried a Galaxy Tab S 8.4 which has an incredible screen and is quite good overall, but that god awful touchwiz with it's stupid small lags drove me nuts - so I sold it as well.
What remains is Nexus 9 I suppose.
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Don't forget to mention Knox
Well, if it didnt have knox I would have just gotten rid of the damn touchwiz. But then you'd have warranty problems in case the tablet decides to die someday.
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Well, if it didnt have knox I would have just gotten rid of the damn touchwiz. But then you'd have warranty problems in case the tablet decides to die someday.
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I got rid of n3 because of that Knox crap! Warranty void once triggered 0x1 ?
As the title says I can't decide!
I currently have an Asus TF300T and was thinking of upgrading but I've gone and cracked the screen and it's no longer responding so I definitely have to upgrade now.
I was thinking of the nexus 9, it's new and supposedly fast but then I came across the nvidia shield tablet and now I can't make up my mind.
I am a casual to moderate PC gamer and have a GTX770 in my rig, and the thought of being able to stream my pc games to the shield really interests me, especially if I can put it in console mode and play the games on my living room TV with the nvidia controller, which would be great for those moments where the girlfriend complains I spend too much time in my man cave [emoji12]
Reading through the forums there seem to be plenty of posts with problems (granted people don't usually have something to say unless they are complaining), but I'm not to sure whether to take the plunge?
I may just order one and see how it works out, if I don't like it or have any issues I guess I can always send it back and order a nexus 9.
What do you guys think?
I may also unlock it and install custom firmware if there are any available as I always do with any android device [emoji4]
I was in the same boat as you. After much thought and deliberation over many factors I ended up going with the 32GB Shield and I LOVE it.
I have owned/used a couple dozen android devices over many years and none of them are even close in regards to the speed and sheer lag free smoothness of the Shield.
In the real world I don't think that there will be much of a performance difference between the N9 and the shield. I do think that the shield may be able to run under a heavy load longer without throttling itself. I've run the most demanding games on the platform and it barely gets warm. There are a lot of reports about how the Nexus 9 gets extremely hot in an isolated spot near the camera which is of some concern (maybe software updates will alleviate this somewhat, but hard to say).
If you just can't live without a 4:3 aspect ratio, get the Nexus. Otherwise I think the shield is an outstanding device. Keep in mind that the 32GB/LTE Nexus 9 is $599 while the equivalent Shield is $399.
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I was looking at the 32GB shield, for the price it's definitely better value than the N9.
How do you find the screen size? I'm a little worried about finding 8 inches a little small after coming from a 10 incher! Lol
Is it really super smooth and lag free? If so I'm definitely going to get one, most android devices I've used have always had a little lag, but that's because I could never afford the top of the range ones.
Although I am no artist or something, I wouln't buy any device anymore that has no stylus. Is so much easier to select text, links, play Nintendo DS emulators. And besides, using the stylus keeps the display nice and clean. I love it.
I'm torn as well, the only reason I haven't gone with the Sheild yet over the Nexus is due to the smaller screen size. I'm buying a tablet for school productivity and for entertainment, the Nexus's screen size seems ideal for both. If the Sheild was bigger without being that much heavier, I would have gone with it without any hesitation.
I'm coming from a Nexus 7 to the shield so the 1 inch difference in size feels significant to me. I came to the decision for myself that the N9 was just a touch too large/wide for holding it comfortably for extended periods.
I feel that the 16:10/1920x1200/8 inch screen is pretty much ideal for a device I carry every day.
If I had bought the N9 I think I'd be likely to leave it home more frequently as it really is quite a bit bulkier.
I like both devices but I don't regret my choice in any manner.
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It is BY FAR the smoothest running android device I've ever owned. My daughter has an iPad mini retina and the Shield is every bit as silky smooth as her iPad. Not exaggerating in the slightest...
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the 1 inch difference in size feels significant to me. I came to
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I feel ya there buddy
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Har har !
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So I was in a similar boat. I was hyped for the N9 as the rumors of it's specs were tossed about and I was fully in when it was rumored to depart from Nexus standard and include a MicroSD slot. I did consider the Shield as it was getting released and hung around these forums reading about how folks had various issues but it also seemed that Nvidia really stepped up and supported their product well which I was impressed with. Storage was the huge issue for me and Nexus really dropped the ball with only 32GB and no MicroSD.
I too came from the TF300T although I didn't worry about the transition on size. I've been telling women for years that 10 inches is highly overrated and 8 is much better. It (the tablet) is light weight, more comfortable to use and the screen size is amazing.
Also if you do your homework you'll likely find some folks ditching theirs on Craiglist or eBay to by new iPads and N9's and they are usually willing to part with them cheap. I bought an RMA replacement unit from a guy on CL and have been thrilled with it.
Just my opinion and thoughts but best of luck!
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As the title says I can't decide!
I currently have an Asus TF300T and was thinking of upgrading but I've gone and cracked the screen and it's no longer responding so I definitely have to upgrade now.
I was thinking of the nexus 9, it's new and supposedly fast but then I came across the nvidia shield tablet and now I can't make up my mind.
I am a casual to moderate PC gamer and have a GTX770 in my rig, and the thought of being able to stream my pc games to the shield really interests me, especially if I can put it in console mode and play the games on my living room TV with the nvidia controller, which would be great for those moments where the girlfriend complains I spend too much time in my man cave [emoji12]
Reading through the forums there seem to be plenty of posts with problems (granted people don't usually have something to say unless they are complaining), but I'm not to sure whether to take the plunge?
I may just order one and see how it works out, if I don't like it or have any issues I guess I can always send it back and order a nexus 9.
What do you guys think?
I may also unlock it and install custom firmware if there are any available as I always do with any android device [emoji4]
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I'd highly suggest buying the Shield Tablet LTE over the Nexus 9. You must realize that high graphics games can take up to 5GB of space each and thus 32GB with no expandability isn't a viable if you want to actually use the tablet to the fullest. You will be out of space in no time just installing around ten games. The Nexus 9 is far more expensive in any case, so the Shield is a much better buy.
Also take in mind that Nvidia Hub game streaming should not be the deciding factor for purchasing the Shield as Limelight brings that functionality to most devices. I've used it on my TF701.
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Thanks for all the replies, I'm definitely leaning towards the shield as I think it may be better all around for me.
I don't really like the ipad look of the N9, and I think the shield would be a perfect size for me. In all honesty I sometimes found my 10 inch TF300T a little too big at times and also difficult to hold, 8 inches would be much more comfortable ? lol
I also like the fact that the shield comes with a stylus, I'm no artist myself but I actually used to be one of sorts and it's something I've slowly been getting back into, I have a wacom graphics tablet plugged into my PC, so the stylus may actually be another good selling point for me.
I'm also used to having an SD card so I don't think I could do with out one.
Gaming would be an awesome addition especially with the control pad. I was just looking at the limelight app too but unfortunately I can't test it out as my TF300T is now dead, so I have no choice but to get a new device.
I've added the shield and the GamePad to my shopping basket... but I'm away from home at the moment on holiday so I'm going to have to wait until I get a back home to actually buy lol!
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I was looking at the 32GB shield, for the price it's definitely better value than the N9.
How do you find the screen size? I'm a little worried about finding 8 inches a little small after coming from a 10 incher! Lol
Is it really super smooth and lag free? If so I'm definitely going to get one, most android devices I've used have always had a little lag, but that's because I could never afford the top of the range ones.
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I came from a TF300T to a Nexus 7 2013. I can say with all confidence that I didn't miss the extra three inches, basically because the TF300T is 720p and the Nexus 7 2013 is 1080p.
Its the resolution, not the size, that matters.
Now I have the NST LTE 32GB, I can say the extra inch *does* matter. 8" is the new 7" in my opinion. Perfect for the hand still, and I can even put in in my Levi Jeans pocket (though it sticks out a bit) for temporary hands-free transport.
64bit is great and all, but until app developers start making games compatible with the architecture, you're better off getting the NST. So much cheaper, an awesome Wi-Fi direct controller supported natively, nice standard inclusions in the ROM like native screen recording and twitching.
I currently have the Nexus 9 but it has to many quirks... I ordered a shield instead hopefully i nwill be much better, the reviews seem great on it :good:
butteredmuffins said:
I currently have the Nexus 9 but it has to many quirks... I ordered a shield instead hopefully i nwill be much better, the reviews seem great on it :good:
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If you could let me know how you find the comparison between them that would be fantastic!
I'm still leaning towards the shield, and it's still sitting in my shopping basket [emoji4]
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If you could let me know how you find the comparison between them that would be fantastic!
I'm still leaning towards the shield, and it's still sitting in my shopping basket [emoji4]
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My shield will be here today and I still have my Nexus 9 for the time being so I will let you know for sure, cheers!
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My shield will be here today and I still have my Nexus 9 for the time being so I will let you know for sure, cheers!
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I'd be interested to hear too as a currently dissatisfied Nexus 9 owner.
I can not speak for the shield as I have not had a chance to try one out yet, although I seriously considering getting one, but having played with a Nexus 9 for about a half hour the impression I was left with is that it is not worth the money. I really feel like it is a big swing and miss. I don't like the dimensions, the 64 bit chip appears to be an app compatibility issue, no expandable storage, etc. For a tablet that runs $399 for a wifi 16gb it does not feel that well put together. I don't know maybe my mind would change with longer use but after using it I felt not only would I not buy it for $399 I probably would not be that tempted to buy it at $299
Okay so I got my shield and as of right now I have decided against doing a video comparision for now, there doesnt seem to be enough interest. However I'm willing to post any kind of picture or answer any questions. So far on the shield there doesn't seem to any hardware quirks the Nexus has, its a solid feeling device. The ONLY very minor nit pick I have so far is when tap the back there is a little bit of give so it makes a bit of a clack sound, but it doesnt bother me at all. Theres no light bleed which is super nice. Its so much more comfortable to hold than the Nexus 9, the texture on the back of the device is very pleasing and very grippy(if thats even a word) the Nexus 9 doesnt feel nearly as nice to hold. I cant say too much about long term battery life but thus far its awesome, but cant comment on how it compares to the Nexus. I love the pen its very sensitive, but it doesnt have pressure sensitivity which is no biggy for me. Anyway, thats all I can think of off the top of my head, ask away!
This so much better than lackluster overpriced N9.
Also google does next to nothing to optimise or take advantage of their hardware. Nvidia on the other hand does.
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My nexus 9 recently started doing this...
Credit to Andrew Spyker
I've always had Nexus items.. First gen Nexus tablet, second, 3rd.. hell I have a nexus Q
So with this new issue I've run the gamut of Nexus 9 issues. Frisbee backplate, speed that, so you have a reference understandable to the human mind, ill describe as glacial. Charge to 100% eta. 2017. I got stuck on android 5.0.0 because.. who the hell knows. And now randomly my tablet has what I can only describe as seizures. HTC wants me to RMA it.. but you know what, I do not want to RMA it because then I'd be given another one and I would rather have the current one blow up in my face then to subject myself to the false hope of receiving a replacement and assuming, nay believing that all is well.
This is twice Nvidia has been contracted to put a processor in a Nexus and this is the second time the result has been total complete garbage. The entire Nexus9 experience has gotten me closer than I have ever been to buying an Ipad.. Google's and to an extent all Android tablet makers ability to get a tablet produced that even comes close to an Ipad in its ability to run the same way every day has been weighed and measured and found wanting.
The phones, which by all accounts are still their main focus have not suffered like the tablets so I will continue to enjoy them.
They seem to be unable to produce a table that is consistent or compelling and are thus going through the motions and just making a tablet because they have to.. So the Ipad decision is because quite frankly Apple does "going through the motions" better than Samsung/Google/HTC apparently can.
Maybe this will all change.. maybe it will not. At some point I will make the change these manufacturers will not. One thing I will not do is be suckered into a new tablet every 12 months.
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I'm not happy with my Nexus 9 either. It's lacking in both hardware and software.
Hardware:
- backlight bleeding
- too heavy
- flex in the back cover
- battery life is not that great
Software:
- random reboots / crashes
- RAM bug (causing chrome tab reloads for example)
- slow performance occasionally (probably caused by the RAM bug)
- software updates were rather slow for a Nexus device, we had to wait months for 5.1.1
I don't have any hope that Android M will fix any of the software problems. The Nexus 9 has been out for almost a year and there hasn't really been much improvement since the release.
I would like to buy an iPad mini 4 (never owned an iPhone or iPad, but I think there are no good Android tablets out there), the problem is that the Nexus 9 has a bad resell value (<250€) and the iPad mini 4 costs 389€ and I really don't feel like spending that much on a tablet again considering that I haven't even had the Nexus 9 for a year.
Asus zenpad 8.0 S. ... Love mine, sold my Nexus 9 to buy it. Super thin, great screen but get the CA version
I jumped on the bandwagon and bought the 32gb N9 from Google Play in December. After a month of use I felt it was an "okay" tablet. Last month I inherited an iPad Air 1st gen. The iPad gives a much more gratifying user experience.
I feel that Google really blew it with the N9, rushing to get a tablet out and winding up with a rush product at a premium price. I will be much more reluctant to go with another Google product in the future.
I don't know but I actually love my tablet... The biggest gripe I have with it is the tabs in Chrome refreshing, but besides that the tablet works great... There is a small light bleed but nothing as bad as my G3... Sorry to hear you guys had a bad batch, but what might have helped my tablet experience is that I rooted mine and running dirty unicorn...
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I don't know but I actually love my tablet... The biggest gripe I have with it is the tabs in Chrome refreshing, but besides that the tablet works great...
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Same here. And my N9 is bone stock.
hardware is fine, but the drivers running it are crap. stutters, background task getting killed, refresh on tabs when browsing, touching the screen ramps up the processors (it's why the browser uses more power than the screen, each touch takes a crap-ton of power. a few updates back fixed it to 1/2 but still is too much. lowering it to 800 and it stutters, my other tablets only ramp up to 300 with no stutter)... as crappy as samsung is with support i'd have gotten a better tablet sticking with them. i've tried four different roms with the same results and was on stock/rooted for the longest with fire-ice kernel.
I assume you've done a full wipe and ruled out it being a software bug?
If the company is offering to RMA a defective unit in favor of a non-defective one and you turn them down how is that Nexus/HTC/Android/whomever's fault other than your own?
Other than the backlight bleed I don't have too many issues with my Nexus. And that was purchasing a refurb scratch/dent 32gb model from Amazon Warehouse for $290. Is it what I'd expect for a $290 tablet? Absolutely.
I'd consider an iPad Air 2, but those guys are $600 and won't sync up quite the same as all my other crap. Or alternatively the Mini 4 ($500).
Mine is on Preview M unencrypted. I really like it. My 10 is a fine tablet, as well. The 7's I've had I've never really liked.
The apple tablets I've tried seem no different to me. I've even changed my Window animation scale 1, Transition animation scale 1 and Animator duration scale 1.5 and it acts just like an apple tablet.
The freeze on OP's video is caused by an undervolt-powersave thing. It has been reported many times and only an RMA can save you from that.
The RAM deficiency is caused by the one and only Chrome that consumes a ****load of ram on any platform. It fills my G3's 3 GBs of ram in just 5 tabs.
Just use another browser.
ive got a sluggish n9, backlight bleed and a few reboots. battery life is weak...
love aspect ratio though and still think this is still a good tablet overall...
There is no way anyone that is happy with this tablet uses multiple profiles on a regular basis.
If you fresh boot and sign into one user things are ok... not horrible or super fast but ok. Sign in to an additional profile and the tablet goes to complete hell. Stutters, stalls, crashes, etc.
Really sucks because its shared between myself and my girlfriend. This has been the case since 5.0.1 through 6.0 preview 3.
People are never happy with what they have. Yes the tablet has a few issue here and there. Very little consumer grade electronics are "perfect" there will always be something that bugs you.
I like this tab, took a little tweaking, as it usually does with any device to reach the standards of a "current XDA'r".
But at the very LEAST i would disagree with this being a tab to avoid.
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No offense but your optimism does not apply here. Get off the koolaid
osiris355 said:
No offense but your optimism does not apply here. Get off the koolaid
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The incredible pessimism doesn't apply here, nor belong, either. Get off the juice.
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The incredible pessimism doesn't apply here, nor belong, either. Get off the juice.
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His post is misleading and mine is not pessimism when its reality. Everyone knows this tablet has issues worse than typical bugs or hardware annoyances.
Edit: I just finished flashing 6.0. I can't believe I am saying this but it looks like google has finally fixed most of the performance issues. I can finally load up multiple profiles/chrome browsing and it doesn't start hanging/crashing. 1 year later and they finally got it right. Too bad it still heats up when gaming but that's not as big of a deal.
I love mine personally, there is a tiny hint of backlight bleeding but it's hardly noticeable. Battery life isn't that great, but that's the only downside for me. It always gets me through 2 days of use anyway since I have a phone for other functions. I also would gladly take a slight issue or two for the vastly superior sound setup for media consumption. Apple could maybe get my buck if they integrated FF speakers, and good ones at that. Until then the Nexus is the best for me. I was also thinking about the Asus 8.0 too, it looks good but it's too damned small. I actually think my Nexus is a bit small too, but it's the biggest and best tab I could get for under $300
I've had all sorts of issues with my Nexus 9. Software is better now than it used to be. But up until 5.1.1, multitasking made me want to kill kittens. It's more usable now with the latest 5.1.1 revision on the Pure Nexus ROM and Fire kernel. Except for Chrome, even XDA makes it choke. HD video performance is hit or miss, MX player with Tegra plug-ins was OK and other media apps stutter with high bit rates. I'm not on M now but when I tried it the battery life improved so there is that to look forward to.
The screen bleed on the bottom has gotten worse.
I learned my lesson and won't buy Nexus products again till they are on the market for a while and are thoroughly reviewed/patched.
Stock feels a little clunky on the Nexus 9. Installed CM and it feels much smoother. Overall, I am fairly pleased with mine.
Then again, I do not use Chrome, rather I use Firefox with Adblock+.
I have has both gen 7, and now the 9. I have also had iPads' and a Sony Tablet.
The 1st gen 7 was my favorite. Its form factor felt the best in my hand, the 2nd while faster was uncomfortable to hold. I'm not an Apple fan but work gave me an iPad 2. I rarely used it. Seemed okay. The Sony Z3 Tablet Compact has AMAZING quality. I just wish I could put AOSP on it, not a fan of the Sony tweaks, but over all its made from great materials and its very smooth to operate.
The 9 for me has been great so far. I did the following as soon as I got it, these are things I generally do to EVERY Android device when I get it.
* Change DPI to the screens native DPI (288 in this case)
* Added a line in build.prop to enable hardware UI rendering. <-- not sure if this is really needed anymore so I continue to add it until I'm told its not.
* Hard code the DNS used to the Google DNS servers
* Set all animation scales to .5
* Force GPU rendering to ON
I have never had any crashing or RAM management issues. I DO have the light bleeding issue, but not bad enough to really complain about.