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How to optimize our brain power or how to produce the ultimate ROM?

Yes, there is a direct link between the two subjects in my discussion title.
The number of ROM’s released in this forum is about 14 (more or less).
All these bring the number of developer that released these ROM’S plus all the developers involved direct & indirect in the developing process to approx. to 20 or 25 maybe more…
Just imagining channeling all that power into one single product that will answer most if not all the user expectations on the ultimate ROM!
I am aware that it’s not easy to get consensus from all the users or even the developers for what is the ONE ROM that pleases the majority, but maybe be we should try harder to overcome these differences.
The user’s opinion we can get through a popularity poll, what features and functionality they like to see in a ROM.
To gather the developers is probably a much harder task but it is feasible to bring not all but a large number of them to the “table”.
I would like to have the forum member’s opinion on the subject and how to make this idea reality.

I posted this topic by error in the development section, can the moderator transfer it to Galaxy 3 General ?
Sorry & thanks - Itzik

great idea

How to optimize our brain power or how to produce the ultimate ROM? 2nd part
I feel the developers (or would be developers) needs, and I know that it’s a personal challenge to release a good ROM and to get the approval of his peers and users.
However, for most of the users it’s a nightmare, moving from one ROM to another, updates, kernels & themes...etc.
For every single ROM that I have installed to date something went wrong, don’t get me wrong I really believe that our group of developers is the most qualified, dedicated & smart individuals, nevertheless, we the users/ installers are going sometime through a grueling try & error process.
Today, I am on rooted stock JPQ without a single issue, but, I still love to have some of the capabilities & functions of our Galaxies S, S II big brothers & more..
The only way to achieve stability, optimize functionality & to go places where no phones got before; is unity!
And with the combine power of our developers there more chance that we will go places…

In my opinion:
It would be really nice if the following developers works together to bring an ultimate ROM (Obviously not Froyo base) which can take the user experience of G3 to a new level. I know they all are capable and do wonder if they get together. Surely they will have to forget the differences among them if there are any
1. Marcellusbe
2. Dharamg3
3. rudolf895
4. kyrillos13
5. apollo5801
6. The Dark Lestat
7. FadeFx
8. akash.gpta
9. mumbozver
10. Please add ur name if u think u can do wonder

brjshshrma said:
In my opinion:
1. Marcellusbe
2. Dharamg3
3. rudolf895
4. kyrillos13
5. apollo5801
6. The Dark Lestat
7. FadeFx
8. akash.gpta
9. mumbozver
10. Please add ur name if u think u can do wonder
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That s a frigging awesome list.

I hope this will be reality someday....but i think is only a good dream(
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I hope this will be reality someday....but i think is only a good dream
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Years back we dreamed getting to the moon...and!?

itzik_man said:
Years back we dreamed getting to the moon...and!?
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Months back we dreamed of getting Gingerbread. And now??
We are getting it.

Imagine Marcellusbe, Dharamg3 and Apollo all making one kernel and all the others making the themes/Roms that would be awesome and based on Gingerbread
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I am waiting for the first developer among those 9 to confirm that he is also interested for this good cause.
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brjshshrma said:
In my opinion:
It would be really nice if the following developers works together to bring an ultimate ROM (Obviously not Froyo base) which can take the user experience of G3 to a new level. I know they all are capable and do wonder if they get together. Surely they will have to forget the differences among them if there are any
1. Marcellusbe
2. Dharamg3
3. rudolf895
4. kyrillos13
5. apollo5801
6. The Dark Lestat
7. FadeFx
8. akash.gpta
9. mumbozver
10. Please add ur name if u think u can do wonder
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I can make a Theme

How to optimize our brain power or how to produce the ultimate ROM? 3th & last part
This is not a revolution, but we the users/installers, need to wake up and tell our developers:
We love your work, respect you effort and above all applaud your contribution, however, this forum should not become a battle ground for who produces the best ROM, it should be about; combined strategy to minimizing our frustrations by delivering the best possible solution.
Moreover, the appreciation of the users will definitely generate (my opinion) extra donations for the developer’s effort.
Rafayel, great initiative…

I can see all the issues i have/would have, already disappearing....:d

I dont really see this happening, cause I dont see a rom that can unite developers. A CM/GB port could have done that when there was no such thing going on, since it would be a great leap, but after that is done I dont see anything important/great/whatever enough to unite them under one project. A different kind of unity is more important, and which is already happening.
The unity I'm talking about is not a unity under one project, but a unity as a community, as a group of people. This is already happening. Developers should have understanding and respect for each other, should help and guide each other. Sharing what they have accomplished with each other would not provide us with one ultimate rom, but with many! Everything that is being done should be collaborative, not just one rom.
I'll stop now (since I'm pretty hungry and so I am having trouble conveying my thoughts properly), but I'll just say that I'm not trying to tell devs what to do, nor am I saying that stuff like this isn't happening(it is), I just want to express what I think would be ideal.

Good idea but you know some have already tried this... Yes, im talking about armv project they started out great but look what happened its now dead. Im not saying this is impossible but think bout it, its very hard for everyone :/ i mean we each have our own projects. (i.e marcellusbes cm7) and i dont think it would work Its hard to control a group of (10-15) devs i mean if there is no boss then its very hard to try to communicate and if there is a boss then some people would complain cuz they dont want any boss/leader. Also there is a risk of someone leaking info/tweaks/mods in such a big group. I myself think this will not happen but if it will, im happy
this is all MY OPINION
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I dont think anybody will have a complain if marcellusbe heads the group coz all the developers and the entire G3 community respects him a lot.
If any senior developer takes the initiative then this might become a possible thing happening.
*Thanks to clarkkov who originally thought this and expressed the idea in Indroid thread.

stubborn_d0nkey - If, and only if this idea (brjshshrma - I never claimed this as my original idea!) can not materialized, yes, more discussion & synchronization has to take place between the developers (will save allot of try & error of implementations).
Just an example: I read very recent, an exchange of posts between 2 dev's that bought were using the same theme…

itzik_man said:
stubborn_d0nkey - If, and only if this idea (brjshshrma - I never claimed this as my original idea!) can not materialized, yes, more discussion & synchronization has to take place between the developers (will save allot of try & error of implementations).
Just an example: I read very recent, an exchange of posts between 2 dev's that bought were using the same theme…
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Marcellusbe sir posted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15948716&postcount=409
He says he likes to work alone!!

Custom rom/theme - need coder -- Will be PAID big!!!

Hey guys
I want to get a custom theme made and after that, a custom rom of the theme with additional features.
I want it to look really sleek and nice with nearly everything customized. From icons to menu layout...
In rom i just want some additional features like different lockscreen(rotational or glass), crt off and simple stuff like that.
The job is quite big. If you are just a coder but want to do the job i can get another person to design. But you must tell me exactly what to be designed.
Prices.
Coder only - $150
Coder + designer - $220
The payment will be made via paypal.. And will be made after the theme is made and coded. And then you can make the rom..
This is a big job and the person must be dedicated. The time limit will be 1week for theme and 1week for rom.
PLEASE ALSO PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES OF YOUR PREVIOUS WORK.
Reply if you are interested.
If i posted in the wrong section, please forgive me and moderators can move thread.
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Anyone interested?

Some projects that in my opinion should be combind...

Hi, I'm Itzik I'm a newbie and yes, I'm a complete ***ing n00b!
But before each and everyone of you discard my opinion as complete rubbish, please ask yourself this:
Should I not adopt a reasonable and efficient perspective for it came to be from an inferior being? (I believe most of reasonable people will get my point)
Therefore I resume:
There are certain projects here on i9100 section or should I say developers that should combine their efforts into a more efficient working method, there are certain projects that are being developed & published here that in core are the same.
Those MODs & themes are being developed separately by different developers and get published by different names when in fact, they are all fragmented parts of a whole.
So many developers, so much work time and resources are being diverted between so many different projects that eventually each one of them separately when applied, gets the devices to a very similar point, except for one or two (crucial ,I might add) features that are made differently and therefore, only fragmenting more the already messy and confusing situation at hand.
By now I believe most of you know what I'm talking about, and I bet there more people here like me that would like to see those combined projects become a reality.
Now, I want to clarify Myself, that under no circumstances am I saying that the work of those people is not important, or not good enough nor heaven forbid unappreciated, what I'm trying to say, is that if those developers would work together and distribute the work between them, it could help saving them a lot of work and time and make the end results much better.
Lets start with our beloved _JKay_, he practically changed the rules of the game with his MOD, in fact the only thing I find lacking in JKay's work is a more productive and efficient theming capability, witch is exactly what the other developers I'm talking about make complete.
I'm talking about those projects:
[THEME]ICS DOMINATION v4.4*DESIRE(Progress NEW 41%)Odex/Deodex*LPS/3/4/7/8/9/D/F*Live by Vertumus
[MOD] ICS-styled SystemUI for KPA/LP2/LP6/LPB/LPH/LPQ/LP7/LP3/LPS by Sboulema
[MOD][ALL ROMS] ICS Style Reloaded -[ 28/05 Green online! - soon CM9 ]- by Crussader
Now, what we have here are 3 projects that focuses on one objective: a theme that would give SAMSUNG's Stock based ROM's the look and feel of an AOSP based ROM.
What differs between them is that Vertumus's approach was theming the entire ROM while Sboulema's & Crussader's approaches ware a bit less ambitious as they only themed and tweaked the TouchWiz UI overall a bit.
To be precise:
Vertumus re-designed the whole TouchWiz UI framework to match a AOSP based framework on which he dressed his theme.
Sboulema's method was (much like JKay's) to replace the original PNG files on the TouchWiz UI framework to his own files.
Crussader's MOD is based on Vertumus's re-designed UI framework and Sboulema's files + he added lidroid's MOD which is one feature of many in JKay's MOD.
End result is 3 different MODs that basically give the user the same thing +/- a feature or two...
Combining those 3 projects (and others similar) into one project and working with JKay to match his framework to adopt those themes will save JKay the time and hassle of creating themes for his mod + making those 3 themes into 1 will make it easier on the developers that makes them to update the themes to match future firmware updates.
So, what say you?

Good Luck!!

It's a nice thought and plenty of devs/themers do co-operate whilst some are amazing enough on their own (jkay, vert etc).. you'll always get a lot of duplicate efforts as some innovate and others replicate.. which isn't necessarily a bad thing, can be a stepping stone to something innovative in the end

good thought

Nonsense.
Devs have specific stuff they like to work on (normally their own projects/kernels/roms), why should they team up & work on projects we want ?
They're not at our beck & call despite what you seem to think.
Instead of making threads like this, why don't you learn to code/theme/whatever & then work on the things you've mentioned ?
P.S - The three examples you've mentioned, that's not development. That's winzipping/theming. There's a difference.

Posters forget its a free mods choice as to how why what and where .
They are not here to make life easier for you but to develop stuff and thankfully allow us to use it or not .
That was the ethos behind this developers forum originally sadly now just a give me give my i want i want forum.
jje

MistahBungle said:
Nonsense.
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If you say so, you know best.
MistahBungle said:
Devs have specific stuff they like to work on (normally their own projects/kernels/roms), why should they team up & work on projects we want?
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True, but if you can tell the difference, those are not project I want or we want, those are projects that are already being worked by them.
I only recommended them to to gather up similar projects so it could ease-up their work, and help them make more much needed free time for their own personal life, family, career whatever.. everyone could use a little extra time on their hands...
MistahBungle said:
They're not at our beck & call despite what you seem to think.
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You seem to have gotten the wrong impression, please understand that this totally & clearly not what I meant.
MistahBungle said:
Instead of making threads like this, why don't you learn to code/theme/whatever & then work on the things you've mentioned?
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Had my I.Q level allowed me to, there are a lot of things I would have done myself instead of turning to people for help, but we all work with what we got... JKay and others like him got the brain, I got a 'wider picture' vision and you got.. well whatever it is you've got there mate, whatever makes you keep the flow man...
MistahBungle said:
P.S - The three examples you've mentioned, that's not development. That's winzipping/theming. There's a difference.
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Be that as it may, and call it as you wish, end result is that they all work on different projects that eventually leads to one point, one way or the other.. combining their efforts would only help increase efficiency...
Sorry if I offended anyone as it was completely and entirely not my intention!
good day fellows...

JJEgan said:
Posters forget its a free mods choice as to how why what and where .
They are not here to make life easier for you but to develop stuff and thankfully allow us to use it or not .
That was the ethos behind this developers forum originally sadly now just a give me give my i want i want forum.
jje
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I would like to refer you to my answer to MistahBungle, that would shed a bit light on my intentions...

Thank you but my comments remain for a large majority of users noobs or not .
I did not add to my post >> whereas the idea of combining stuff may well be a vast improvement . Its been done before suggested before and devs go their own way .
If you read the dev posts then the usual is master dev makes xxxx and along comes a new dev who is learning and releases a modification on xxxx and so it goes on .
Your probable point that a better end result can be achieved by combining devs is not wrong . Yes in my view SGS2 development tends to be rather repetitive try finding a gold ICS rom .
jje
PS Welcome to the forum

Achotjan, bye xda developers

Hi, I have seen that Achotjan a great developer of our community, is retiring from xda developers.
* why? our users, we are dedicated to donate to, other "developers" (chamviomps Wimmers, Rajivraja .... etc) rather modifiers, taking a rom and add a few simple modifications. and we praise you, and never give true recognition to developers: ejmp Achotjan with her​​, "SEMC debrand engine" rom what we could carry more we asked (the lock screen xperia s) and there appeared another, and took their work and put their name and we did: no recognition and no donation to the:
I think today there will be a great loss, expected to release his rom Achotjan: CM9 with an official port of xperia s ice cream.

Hey you wrote "her" instead of "he" or is achotjan a her? I'm not really sure. But would be missed. I really wanted to try out the cm9 planned.
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maybe this thread is a little premature.:silly:
CLOSED.

My opinion

Hello everyone!
My name is Bart, and I would like to share my opinion about the development of ICS/JB and GB for our lovely but aging X8
As you know, ICS and JB need a lot of juice to run smooth and good, and our X8 is not designed to do such things , so I would like to share my opinion not to concentrate on making ICS/JB for our X8, but make better Froyo and GingerBread as those are good for it, yet GB needs a bit too .
I would like to ask you developers to concentrate more on Froyo and GingerBread as those ROM's are what our X8 is waiting for, get the best for it.
This is just my opinion, don't know what other think about it.
Have fun!
Bart.

I think GB is very good for daily use. Its just perfect. Devs should concentrate on JB/ICS...:angel:

developers did everithing they can on gb it up to cyanogen mod to improve performnce on gb in cm7.3 if it will be for x8 :good:

The point of it is that its not worth developing ICS/JB for out X8, our phone is just too weak and too old for this

I think it's very disrespectful to hold a poll on such issues.
Without devs doing what they want to do (they have to be inspired or enjoy their work) you wouldn't even have Froyo or GB..
Polls like this can make devs disappear from XDA because it makes them feel undervalued.
Remember this:
1: XDA is a developers site.
2: You are lucky to be here.
3: XDA can decide at any time to make this a dev site only.
4: You are lucky to be here.
5: Devs work for free - Who are we to tell them what to do with their time and efforts.
6: You are lucky to be here.
I think I've made my point clear!
Reported as this kind of poll disgusts devs and most of us happy users!

You can't order them what to do... And yes you can't even suggest them...
I guess you aren't a developer so you don't have curiosity to develop something NEW... you just download their work... And then post such disgusting thread... :thumbdown::banghead:
I too own X8... But I would love if the developers continue experimenting with X8... in hope something out if the box
Sent bursting with anger...

Thread closed as your opinion sounds more like a demanding troll attempt than an actual opinion....unless you are not trolling, in which cased....thread closed anyway.
Do not reopen this thread or a "Y U CLOSE MAI THREAD?", thread.
Cheers,
M_T_M