Hey everybody I was just wondering if it was worth to do it...
Will the overall performance of my tablet be affected to better?
I have some small experience with rooting and installing new roms on my phone, (epic 4g touch) but i know nothing of rooting and installing new roms to tablets.
Thanks
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No answer? Helloooo somebody out there lol?
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Hi, and welcome!
First sorry that you waited so long for a response. It's been a slow Sunday at XDA as far as I can tell.
And it's kinda difficult to give you an answer that everyone would agree with. But I'll give you my take on it. You could change out the words "Why do I" for "Is it worth it" in the following if you like.
Why do I root my tablet? Mainly for bootanimations, system tweaks, like the gps fix we used to have to use to get the gps even marginally functional (That's not an issue anymore, so no worries). I also like to mess with very noobish mod attempts. Noobish, but it makes me smile when I do something neat. Things like that. There are plenty more reasons but I think that should reflect the gist of it.
Why do I unlock my devices (read; install custom bootloader in this case.) and install custom roms? Mainly because of neat features that are above and beyond what the manufacturer includes. For instance the Acer Ring (Some like it, some don't.). as well as tweaks already performed by the chef, like that gps fix I mentioned. Then there is overclocking and the custom kernels.
I'm sure that you probably already know all of this, and while our tablet is really great stock and will do just fine. I think that it is improved using a custom rom. Plus, since it is a tablet rather than a phone, it isn't as critical if something goes wrong when you are goofing around installing the rom or unlocking. No one wants a brick. But it's gotta be a little less of a major problem on a tablet than a phone.
The only real downside of installing the custom bootloader that I know of would be that some users (including myself.) report a flicker and the homescreen going blank on rare occasion and the icons dissapear, but restarting the launcher fixes it. Just put a shortcut in the lockscreen to a home switcher. Thanks to loth77 for that tip. But it isn't something that everyone gets and it's not that big of a drag. I can't really think of any other negatives.
Here's probably the most important thing that you should remember. Get your CPUID in case something goes wrong. The tab is bulletproof if you have that. Here's a link to help understand the whys and hows.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1624645. Remember to get the drivers from acer, and if something doesn't work try changing usb ports, usb cable, or even the pc.
That should pretty much be the long and short of it. Hope it helps. And good luck.
Hey thanks a lot, I think I might root it, Im familiar with flashing roms but the Bootloaders are new to me, can you tell me why do I need to unlock it to install a rom?
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If I understand the process correctly it is something about the way that the bootloader does its security checks. If you have a stock bootloader it looks for the stock rom only. If it doesn't find a rom/kernel that it expects you get to see the android on it's back. The custom bootloader doesn't mind a custom rom. If you want a technical answer maybe someone smarter than myself could explain it better. But I think that is pretty close.
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If I understand the process correctly it is something about the way that the bootloader does its security checks. If you have a stock bootloader it looks for the stock rom only. If it doesn't find a rom/kernel that it expects you get to see the android on it's back. The custom bootloader doesn't mind a custom rom. If you want a technical answer maybe someone smarter than myself could explain it better. But I think that is pretty close.
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And you said it, more or less
With ICS, the bootloader and boot.img communicate. A lot. Neither wish to run properly as they should. In the beginning, we hacked the ICS kernel to run on an HC bootloader. It worked and gave system somewhat RW, but is was crappy to say the least, and caused display irregularities on boot, and sometimes during operation. But when Skrilax_CZ started working on the ICS Bootloader, we could run an ICS kernel, and still get somewhat root and /system RW. But the RW was crappy, and required re-mounting /system all the time.
Having root, without /system RW, is like having a hamburger without the burger. Yeah, it kinda looks like it, but still....
Thus the "tweaked" ICS boot.img came out. Basically the same kernel, but the Zimage has some mods to it. Namely changing the part that prevented RW. And thus, the fully unlocked, fully RW system came out. And technically, you don't need busybox. Just SU. But busy box has to be there for other deals.
So now, to get the full unhindered benefit of both worlds, it's required to change bootloaders. We can do this via NVFlash, because we have the Secured Bootloader Key algorithm (SBK).
Also, HC based Roms WILL NOT run on the ICS bootloader, locked or unlocked. So if ya wanna play ball in our park, ya hafta play by our rules.
You can get your root under a stock ICS bootloader, but, you will have issues with system RW. This I promise.
Also with the unlocked bootloader, you get "fastboot" functions. Consider it your last line of defense. But for those that know how to use it, it's better than flashing certain things.
MD
For what this is worth, as a total noob to all this I decided to try the custom bootloader. Knowing from bricking a Wii once, I made a nand and a rom backup, got my CPUID using blackthund3r's ACER manager for those using ICS (just an incredible thing), and got to work.
I made an error and got hung in APX mode and initially I had at least three heart attacks when I thought I'd bricked; however I figured there had to be a way out as tablet still came on and I had done all the above. Reran Acer manager, changed my previous decision, and soon (within 5 mins) boatloader patched. I've since tried so many roms I've lost count.
Regrets? Not one. It's faster and better. Reading this thread, however, and learning that with a CPUID the tablet is bulletproof makes me feel even better! If you're a noob like me, it's a little scary, but backup, get a nand and the CPUID, Acer Mgr, follow the directions and go for it. After all I went through, if I can do it, so can you!
Yeah I flashed a rom already seens to be working great, i dont have much time right now to mess around with it but its definally better fellows, thanks
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just got my tf101 and updated to 3.1 and all stock. Now what is the benefit of rooting? What does it gives you that stock cant.
I'm curious about this as well.
Freezing apps
Backing up aps
Removing bloatware with superuser
Many more advantages as well
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Rooting isn't for everyone, really. Many users will derive as much pleasure from stock TFs just because that what they feel comfortable with and that's cool.
Rooting opens up many options to the user experience. Many apps (Titanium Backup is one....and probably a must have) will not install without root. You'll find, after time, many great custom ROMs that add functions and user interface enhancements you could onl get rooted. Overclocking? Can't leave that out! Being able to overclock your TF will speed up your machine and provide much staisfaction. Games? Way better. Some of the genius devs here can tweak so many parts of the TF and android experience ... you'll wonder why you didn't root earlier.
Finally, you'll learn about android and learning is really what it's all about.
Does the overclocking help on things like laggy keyboards?
How is access to root handled in Android? Can any app at any time use root (that would be quite dangerous) or does it have to ask for permission (password or pin maybe?) like sudo in Linux?
It prompts for SU/Root access and you can either allow, deny or always allow.
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Does the overclocking help on things like laggy keyboards?
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Yes it could, but is not the main reason.
Most of the time it depends on the rom that you have installed, from my personal experience.
Overclocking improve functionality generally speaking, so it could help for some lag issue, but I would say that mainly depends on the rom and, precisely, if you have lots of bloadware installed, or how many app are you running at the same time and so on....
I would like to come up with some really awesome justified reason why I rooted/custom rom/overclocked but to be honest the real answer is... Because I could
What is Asus's status on rooting? I take it they wash their hands of it and basically will say it invalidates your warranty. But I feel they should at least aknowledge it as OK if you are able to flash back to stock and confirm any problems exist with the stock rom. But I guess that's just not how it works unfortunately?
is it possible to root from 3.1 ? directly
pretty sure as long as you create a backup you can go back to stock without any evidence of rooting...
juliensch said:
is it possible to root from 3.1 ? directly
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Yes, I just did this yesterday. The instructions are in the "[ROM] Transformer 3.1 pure root" in the developers section. It only took about 10 minutes. Fairly straight forward. I did not lose any apps or data. Make sure to load the Asus Sync and USB drivers from Asus on your computer before you start. Several folks ran into issues with that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1125714
Mostly I've been able to backup using Titanium Backup. I was hoping to be able to map shares using cifs, but sadly I can't get it to work.
Can Mac users go through the root process?
I don't think the above process works from a Mac. Sorry.
nv88 said:
I don't think the above process works from a Mac. Sorry.
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Is there any root process that will work for Mac users?
Dorkington said:
Is there any root process that will work for Mac users?
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It does work in linux with some adaptation of the commands in the scripts and you do not require any installation of drivers from asus. Most distros can easily be used with the adb dev kit
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It does work in linux with some adaptation of the commands in the scripts and you do not require any installation of drivers from asus. Most distros can easily be used with the adb dev kit
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Ok, what about using Parallels/Boot Camp? I haven't booted into Windows in a while, but I should still be able to.
I have rooted every phone I had, but that was to replace roms and remove bloatware that was unremovable. With 3.1 I don't feel the need to do either. Since the apps install in the storage partition they are not flooding a small partition like on the phone. I would have a real hard time filling the 32 GB with apps. Second, I really don't see anything in the available alternative roms that I want. What are other's finding in 3rd party roms? Overclocking might be nice, but not at the cost of either reliability or battery life.
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I have rooted every phone I had, but that was to replace roms and remove bloatware that was unremovable. With 3.1 I don't feel the need to do either. Since the apps install in the storage partition they are not flooding a small partition like on the phone. I would have a real hard time filling the 32 GB with apps. Second, I really don't see anything in the available alternative roms that I want. What are other's finding in 3rd party roms? Overclocking might be nice, but not at the cost of either reliability or battery life.
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I agree with everything you've said here. The only reason I rooted 3.1 was to install titanium backup. I've tried a couple 3.1 custom roms, but there was nothing really exciting about them that made them really standout from stock.
Ok I am totally new to the android buzz. My wife and I both have orignal G1s never really played with them always to busy....Now we both have Acer A500's. I am not gonna play with hers since she loves hers the way it is. I of course feel it should do MORE. So with that being said here is my specs
HC 3.1
kernel version 2.6.36.3
build # 4.010.11_com_gen2
has this level of update been rooted and was there any issues.
(I not only use this to play and well gonna learn but also for work)
Again I am totally new to this.
Oh and Ido have a lot of leather on my back also.....hehehehe....;-}
Yes, you can root 3.1 (just did it this weekend). No issues that I've run across with rooting (knock on wood). For me, I have just installed root programs (TiB, etc.) and OC'd (req'd new kernel, got up to 1.5 GHz w/o problems (knock on wood again)).
No custom ROMs yet, as I've been quite happy with Acer's ROM so far, with the aforementioned tweaking.
I think it really depends on what you want to do - I rooted when I first got it to play, but ended up going back to unrooted stock after the first few weeks - if you don't have a need to root, then I'd just say don't bother.
Now that said, I just re-rooted last week simply to get Netflix working (which it does great now) - so that was my "need" - take that as you will.
But rooting (and unrooting) is pretty darn easy, so it's really hard to mess up your system, just remember - always backup - backup everytime you mess with something - because going back is easy with backups, if you forget, you are forced to find creative ways to "wipe and reset" back to stock.
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I think it really depends on what you want to do - I rooted when I first got it to play, but ended up going back to unrooted stock after the first few weeks - if you don't have a need to root, then I'd just say don't bother.
Now that said, I just re-rooted last week simply to get Netflix working (which it does great now) - so that was my "need" - take that as you will.
But rooting (and unrooting) is pretty darn easy, so it's really hard to mess up your system, just remember - always backup - backup everytime you mess with something - because going back is easy with backups, if you forget, you are forced to find creative ways to "wipe and reset" back to stock.
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well gonna wait a few days before i root due to need to pick up a mcro sdcards to back up system since i only have one and it is corrupt (how or why but nothing can read or write to it) and here lately been to dang busy with work....and dont have anything to back up to
well thats sounds chicken**** doesn't it.....i gues im just being a scared sissy....gonna root i do need access to root to access some vpns at work and need to tether also and do a few things that need access to root...just scared that i mess up and then cant return.....did that with first pc i ever owned and i got lucky with the place where i bought it they reinstalled all and i did the same thing and fixed it myself the second time.....lmao....worst case is i can confiscate the wifes a500 and get all from it to resotre mine......
root will also give you access to deleting any crapware that comes pre-installed. While the Iconia has limited crap, there is some present.
I'm newbie to this stuff (Android) and just got an Iconia A500 (unfortunately without 3G embedded and no ad-hoc wifi).
I understood I need to have access to root account in order to release the ad-hoc wifi and then use a mobile phone that can theter wifi to other machines.
I tried the original way of "rooting" the A500 without success (sorry, i cannot include links here).
Is there any new way since I updated A500 to HC3.1?
Thanks in advance.
Reinaldo
reiferreira said:
I'm newbie to this stuff (Android) and just got an Iconia A500 (unfortunately without 3G embedded and no ad-hoc wifi).
I understood I need to have access to root account in order to release the ad-hoc wifi and then use a mobile phone that can theter wifi to other machines.
I tried the original way of "rooting" the A500 without success (sorry, i cannot include links here).
Is there any new way since I updated A500 to HC3.1?
Thanks in advance.
Reinaldo
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Gingerbreak will not work on 3.1 you need to use iconiaroot found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138228
It's quite easy- Good luck
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root will also give you access to deleting any crapware that comes pre-installed. While the Iconia has limited crap, there is some present.
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And if you do THAT, future OTA updates will no longer work unless they're a full ROM. Acer has a nasty habit of issuing differential updates.
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And if you do THAT, future OTA updates will no longer work unless they're a full ROM. Acer has a nasty habit of issuing differential updates.
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True enough, but if you're rooting and trying out new roms, kernels, or deleting crap... then staying current with OTA probably isn't a high priority. Rather, you're looking to tweak/mod your tab and are more likely to wait for a new cooked rom based on said OTA.
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True enough, but if you're rooting and trying out new roms, kernels, or deleting crap... then staying current with OTA probably isn't a high priority. Rather, you're looking to tweak/mod your tab and are more likely to wait for a new cooked rom based on said OTA.
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Sure, but better than people be fully aware of the consequences of their actions... You'd be surprised at the sheer number of folks who just don't think. Look back at this forum before we got custom ROMs and OTAs started coming out as a prime example.
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Sure, but better than people be fully aware of the consequences of their actions... You'd be surprised at the sheer number of folks who just don't think. Look back at this forum before we got custom ROMs and OTAs started coming out as a prime example.
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Agreed- you're right.
well gonna root today pray for the best.....figure worst case is ima gonna be crying like a lil b**** if I mess it up. Sounds like if I mess it up there is some very highly knowledge here that can help me back to square "A". My main question-------I should be using iconiaroot-1.3.apk or should I be using signedgbiconiatab1.20.apk--------allready got acerecovery downloaded from the market and also titanium back up and which is the proper busybox or do I not need busy box? One last thing I would like to thank all those for the great direction you all have pointed me to!.............;-}
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well gonna root today pray for the best.....figure worst case is ima gonna be crying like a lil b**** if I mess it up. Sounds like if I mess it up there is some very highly knowledge here that can help me back to square "A". My main question-------I should be using iconiaroot-1.3.apk or should I be using signedgbiconiatab1.20.apk--------allready got acerecovery downloaded from the market and also titanium back up and which is the proper busybox or do I not need busy box? One last thing I would like to thank all those for the great direction you all have pointed me to!.............;-}
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You need iconiaroot 1.3
As for the other things.. you'll need to be specific as to what you are looking to do. Acer Recovery is an easy way to install ClockworkMod recovery which can then be used to BACKUP and install new roms. Titanium Backup can be used to delete apps and back them and their data up as well. You'll need to be specific.
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You need iconiaroot 1.3
As for the other things.. you'll need to be specific as to what you are looking to do. Acer Recovery is an easy way to install ClockworkMod recovery which can then be used to BACKUP and install new roms. Titanium Backup can be used to delete apps and back them and their data up as well. You'll need to be specific.
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well i dont think i want to install a new rom, but i do a good image back up before i do anything, i do want to get the otas and again as i mentioned before my wife has the same tablet and we are not going to do any thing to it but leave it in its stock level. i will leave the original crap on it which the only thing i dont like is the zinio reader but it doesnt bother me. Will work on trying to get my crack berry or my g1 to tecther with it due to I do and will be using it for work. At present i rdp into my laptop at home just need to be able to get online anywhere and any time....
oh and one last thing do i need to go into portrait mode and lock it down and so forth through all the videos i have seen and foloow those steps or just copy file to sdcar go into a file exploerer and click file and follow instructions.....
hi there,
as my first android-experiences were made with the SE Xperia X10, i played a lot in the respecitve xda-section before i came to my beloved NS.
what the X10-community developed is the flashtool, which is an application, that gives you the possibility to simply do flashes, root, install recovery and many more things via your PC with one single software.
here the current link: http://androxyde.github.com/Flashtool/
maybe this could also be established for our NS? it would give the possibility to easily try roms, themes or kernels without having the need of adb & co...(damned, i am grown up and don't have the time any more to play the whole evening with my phone...unfortunately...)
for example i would love the following functions (and have no idea, if any of it is possible! ):
- root
- install custom recovery
- unlock/lock bootloader
- flash rom/kernel/theme
- backup/restore system
- backup/restore efs
- ...?
is that anyhow realizable for NS?
of course flashing and backing up can be done easily via cwm-recovery...but imagine you totally messed up your device. you just flash complete stock rom, root it and install cwm-recovery in minutes, with just some clicks...wouldn't that be awesome?
i also want to state, that i totally appreciate the work of the devs in the NS-section! it is great and we have a lot of stuff to choose and try! also there are a lot of very helpful guides and hints in this forum! this shall just be an idea, maybe some others might like it as well...?
and yes, this is for the lazy ones also, without doubt. but cmon, mates, imagine the possibilities for softbricked devices...you just need a stock rom image and have your NS connected to your PC...only some clicks away from "puh, back on track"
greez
p.
you can do most of the things with Rom Manager by kosuh. It's on the market.
You can't do what the OP is suggesting with rom manager.
Flashtool is sorta like Odin for Samsung phones and rsa lite for Motorola phones. It gives you the ability flash packages straight from windows.
Being an ex x10 guy myself, it was an awesome tool to do almost anything with the phone including rooting, installing recovery, reverting to stock, flashing updates, installing jit etc.
Yes some of these functions are possible in rm but its not the same and I'd love to see it developed for ns.
Saying that, doesn't Odin work on our nexus?
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so, here reunites the former X10-elite!
Odin does actually work on the NS, I already used it once to return to stock. but, as with the ROM Manager, you can "only" flash roms with it, but you can't root or push anything for example...
I was working on an app for mac that did adb functions and fastboot without actually using the terminal, but i haven't had time to work on it.
There its an app like this on the Desire section maybe it will work for the NS as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823315
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I was working on an app for mac that did adb functions and fastboot without actually using the terminal, but i haven't had time to work on it.
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oh man! and how 'bout now spending all your free time for all the other's felicity?!
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There its an app like this on the Desire section maybe it will work for the NS as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823315
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thanks for that, mate! at least it brings out a GUI for some fastboot commands and mumilover says it's good for all devices! i will definitely give it a try, because it's so far the best there is to find. though, it's limited to flash-action again...ok, i will stop *****ing now, it's really great and i think i have made my point clear.
cheers
p.
I'm pretty sure Odin would work for every thing your requesting.
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Would love to see a tool for us!
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I'm another owner of the K1. I've had it for a while now since xmas and I do like it, but I cant get over the locked bootloader. I was hoping to be able to overclock it so apps for school would run nice and smooth but it doesnt seem to be happening.
Do you guys think I should hold onto it and wait for a root with recovery and hopefully some mods? Or just sell it and try to get a tegra 3?
I'm torn between this man because I have a beefy laptop so I dont need a quad core tablet, I just want it to be smooth. Kernels, overclocking and custom roms always did it for me in prior phones, now its like we're forced to upgrade every year
shoot me some advice
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I'm another owner of the K1. I've had it for a while now since xmas and I do like it, but I cant get over the locked bootloader. I was hoping to be able to overclock it so apps for school would run nice and smooth but it doesnt seem to be happening.
Do you guys think I should hold onto it and wait for a root with recovery and hopefully some mods? Or just sell it and try to get a tegra 3?
I'm torn between this man because I have a beefy laptop so I dont need a quad core tablet, I just want it to be smooth. Kernels, overclocking and custom roms always did it for me in prior phones, now its like we're forced to upgrade every year
shoot me some advice
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It has already been rooted. Once rooted you can OC all you want.
Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure because the K1 doesnt even have its own category in xda.
So, this wont need a kernel to oc?
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Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure because the K1 doesnt even have its own category in xda.
So, this wont need a kernel to oc?
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I do not OC, but have read links saying there are OC tools and all you need is root. So, you'll have to Google it knowing that you can get root and see if that's correct.
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timmyDean,
Thanks. Im just hoping to not run into any problems with overclocking it. Ive rooted a lot of phones and overclocked them all.. even overclocked my pc. Since I started I cant stop lol. Its compulsive, i know, but there is a difference in responsiveness so it's not all my my head lol
I'm on A301_13_13_111209_US
Kernel 2.6.36.3
Do you know which method I should run?
Sort of confused in your development thread about using different blobs and updating with OTA.
Yup, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21309379&postcount=50
This will flash you directly to 13_13US rooted!
You're the man! I'll be attempting this tonight. Hopefully all goes well.
One question tho, if someone manages to port over cwm, will there be custom roms and so on for this tablet? I saw someone working on porting cwm, but doesnt look too promising.
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You're the man! I'll be attempting this tonight. Hopefully all goes well.
One question tho, if someone manages to port over cwm, will there be custom roms and so on for this tablet? I saw someone working on porting cwm, but doesnt look too promising.
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CWM is already ported. I haven't tried it, but according to the developer it works. I have no reason to use it because there's nothing I want to load. I suspect it's just being used to make backups because I haven't seen any chatter on custom ROMS. As far as custom ROM development, who knows. In my opinion these Lenovo are 'junk'. Again, my opinion. Lenovo doesn't want you to modify their devices, so they make it hard to root. They want you to go to them for a custom ROM. We've tried that and it's a joke. We develop drivers and special drivers for hardware and develop several applications for vertical markets. Chances are, if you have a HC tablet you've got a driver buried in there that we wrote (our NDA keeps me from saying who, but I would say every make listed in these forums --if I were to guess). Our vertical applications cannot be sold as a solution to a fortune 500 company with us demanding they buy a custom Lenovo hardware. That has only worked with Government sales because the Lenovo suits convinced them that they are super secure.
Anyway, good luck
TD
Thats some good info man. Now I'm thinking of rooting and throwing it up for sale as rooted and buying a transformer prime
manooti said:
Thats some good info man. Now I'm thinking of rooting and throwing it up for sale as rooted and buying a transformer prime
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Also, might I add they seem to want to restrict you and feed you a bunch of their 'bloatware'. A few months back, when they were in talking with our management team they said they were offering a complete solution hardware and software. They want to make money on their Marketplace applications, etc etc. I sort of got the impression they thought that was where the real money was and not in just selling tablets.
TD
Now that makes sense. Theyll never release an unlocked boot
This sucks man..
Going to root after ghost adventures
One question before I go all the way with it, whats the procedure for updating with new releases? Best to wait for your releases?
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Now that makes sense. Theyll never release an unlocked boot
This sucks man..
Going to root after ghost adventures
One question before I go all the way with it, whats the procedure for updating with new releases? Best to wait for your releases?
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New releases, go for it:
This is what I do:
1. Backup my apps because if the OTA knocks out root(#), you have to flash it.
2. I install the backdoor
3. I backup the su
4. I lock the su and backup su so updates HOPEFULLY don't break root(#)
5. Then I take the OTA.
6. After OTA, I reconnect and see if root(#) is still working. If not, I try the backup root(#). If they are both gone, then I hope the backdoor still works. If not then I flash back to where I was. I then ***** at Lenovo and look for a way to hack it.
Anyway, the backdoor and locking of su are in a script file you can run as long as you have adb working. 99% of the time su stays (because you lock it) or the backdoor works. Also, before taking the OTA you can usually download and see what they are changing. If it breaks root and the back door then what I usually do is pull it apart and build a custom system.img. Inside the OTA zip will be the boot.img. You can actually take it and 'cook' it in your kitchen adding root. Then you take the system.img from a prior release, mount it, and replace all the files with the ones inside your OTA. Make sure you account for blob changes if they are in the OTA. If there's a blob, then put it in the blob tool folder, extract it, and add it to the flash and replace bootloader.bin. Swear some more at Lenovo, and flash in your custom ROM. Now ad su and busybox, and superuser.apk. Use the dump tools in dump folder to build a new system.img. Replace your cooked boot.img with the original OTA boot.img and you're done.
TD.
Then ***** at Lenovo some more lol.
Thanks for the tips, Ill try the script if there is a reasonable update for it ie ICS.
For now the root worked.. flawlessly. Thanks for your work man.
Hello all,
I just ordered a new Note 10.1 from Costco.com (32 gig) and from reading reviews and such I was thrown into the world of rooting. For my job, we were given iPhones so I've really only had an iPhone and am used to the iOS. Not a fan. Have always wanted to try Android but have never been thrown into it.
Are there any good guides out there to help me better understand rooting, etc.? I understand that you have to unlock it, then flash a custom ROM. What happens when the newer version of that ROM comes out? Do you lose all of your Data? Can any mod be installed on any ROM? I just don't have a good understanding of how or what to do. Granted, I don't even have the tablet yet, however, I don't want to be completely lost when I get it. I do like the idea of rooting, given that you can install powerful apps that are only offered to rooted tablets.
This is my first post here and am hoping for some helpful responses of maybe some threads that I should read to help me understand things better.
Also, where do you find custom ROMS? Is there a certain section you have to go? Or are all the custom ROMS under the ANDROID DEVELOPMENT forum?
Thanks for the help.
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
wd4oay said:
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
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What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
midas69 said:
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
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That's good to know. Thank you.
jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
I read in sammobile that samsung will launch Note 8.0, it is true?
What do you think?
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deeselcyde said:
That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
optimus43 said:
I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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There's more reasons to root other than just flashing custom ROMs. As a matter of fact, you really don't even have to root to install a custom ROM, you just need a custom recovery installed.
Personally I'm fine with the stock ROM on this tablet even though I run custom ROMs on my phones. I did have a custom ROM installed for a few weeks that was little more than the stock ROM with a few tweaks. It didn't lose any functionality with regards to multi-screen or pen. But some of the other more customized ROMs do lose functionality.
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
deeselcyde said:
That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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no, it leaves the firmware as is and it simply gives you root access, i.e. administrative control over just about all processes that the tablet is capable of. It also allows you to flash custom ROMS. that method, along with the exynos exploit method ( not possible on 4.1.2), leave you as close to stock as possible . and leaves the official recovery. Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I am wrong, but so long as you don't flash a custom ROM, I believe you can still update through OTA. I know you can through KIES. If you do go with a custom ROM, I'm pretty sure you lose all the touch wiz goodies, like multi screen as another noted above. and likely would have to use ODIN or mobile ODIN to update.
deeselcyde said:
What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
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Custom apps such as multi window manager. Custom roms if you wish. Overclock cpu with tegrak on stock rooted, it does sometimes come in handy to be safely overclocked. personally this tablet is so good off the shelf you dont NEED a custom rom but that overclock is good. Ability to access and change root files such as dolphin preference in order to make it work with flash player. More reliable backups of apps and data with titanium backup. There are a plethera of reasons for rooting a tablet. But do be cautious.
Don't forget you need root for AdAway. You also need root if you want to play around (very dangerous) with the build.prop file to try to install programs that the Play Store says aren't compatible.
deeselcyde said:
The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
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The 3d cube things I think your talking about are scroll effects, like cube, sphere or card stack. You dont need to be rooted for these, you can just download a launcher (nova, apex, adw) from the play store and change the effects in there.
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jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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One more question about that link. So once I follow the instructions provided in the link to root my Note 10.1, will I still have the custom ROM? And, will I be able to auto update from Samsung or whoever whenever a new version of the Android ROM comes out? I don't necessarily care about having someones custom ROM, I just want the benefits of using the GAPPS that I wouldn't be able to use if I wasn't rooted.
Thanks.